"Hurty words" is a useful and musical phrase. Badenoch didn't coin it. I'm seeing, from back in March 2024 in the London Times, "Islamophobic tweets just ‘hurty words’, says mayoral candidate/Susan Hall, the Tory hoping to run London, was responding to claims about Sadiq Khan and Londonistan.'" Someone in the comments there writes: "Anyone using the infantile term 'hurty words' calls into question their suitability for high office." Is it infantile or is it a satirical way to accuse those who are complaining about hurtful speech of being big babies?
Also in the London Times, from last April, there's "Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messages/Civil liberties groups say that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech using vague laws": Quoting Toby Young, the founder and director of the Free Speech Union: "Given that only 11 per cent of the violent and sexual offence cases in England and Wales were closed after a suspect was caught or charged in the year to June 2024, a steep decline on previous years, it seems extraordinary that the police are wasting so much time arresting people for hurty words."
The OED has not yet acknowledged "hurty" — other than as a word in heraldry:
1828 Hurty, charged with hurts, or semée of hurts, that is, strewed over with hurts. W. Berry, Encyclopaedia Heraldica Gloss.
I believe hurts are blue dots — azure roundels.
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Speech police soon to troll the internet and arrest for using the offensive term ‘hurty words’…
"Strewed over with hurts since 2004" would be a great masthead motto if you get tired of the current one. RR, JSM
“Free speech is my right to say the hurty words you don’t want to hear.” – George Orwell (allegedly)
So it sounds like hurty words are misdemeanors. What about hatey words? What do you think, Inga?
"hurty words"
And a star was born.
I blame hurty words for my achy breaky heart.
The only way to get leftists to respect Free speech is to do to them what they do to us.
Even then most of them will just resort to violence.
The core problem with "hate speech" laws is that the leftists are fundamentally anti-freedom and will always undermine free high trust societies.
If you actually want a free high trust society you cannot allow leftists the freedom to destroy the institutions that form the social contract.
Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But hurty words will cause 5 bobbies to meet you at Heathrow
Hurty Gurdy Man
The other thing we need to do to preserve freedom is to call a spade a spade.
Labor, Democrats, SPD, whatever Macron calls his party, The EU are all fascist entities. They have no intent to allow their opponents to exist. They will jail and persecute everyone who disagrees with them.
And because their core philosophy is that they must take the stuff from the people they rule and distribute it fairly means they will not stop until everyone disagrees with them.
The left are full-on Soros-Soviets.
Yeah, it is almost as if The Tories didn't have any power at all during the last 20 years.
I do have a problem with the "Hurty Words" phrase because it infantilizes what the left is doing.
The left in all of our countries are murderous violent thugs who use the government to steal our stuff and destroy the people who oppose them.
in England now, if you are raped, and complain,
YOU get a longer sentence than the rapist did..
If you're a 12 year old, and try to defend yourself (and your sister) from rapists.. You'll go to jail..
If you're a woman, and you buy pepper spray.. PRISON
if you complain about ANY of this.. PRISON
f*ck the brits, and f*ck their tea!
Yancey Ward said...
Yeah, it is almost as if The Tories didn't have any power at all during the last 20 years.
The Tories have always been controlled opposition just like the Republican Party in the US.
Most of them are traitors too. Even now they are covering for labour pretending that labour is not a fascist violent repressive regime that has put far more people in jail for speech violations than Russia.
Russia may be a dictatorship, but at least Putin wouldn't protect Pakistani "migrants" who came in and raped their girls.
These are the things you cannot say. Russia's government is better than the British government right now. NATO is a dead alliance because we have nothing in common with the current rulers of Europe.
We should make it official and announce we are occupying Europe because if left to their own devices they have a pattern of trying to drag the rest of the world down with them like they are doing in Ukraine right now.
Ms. Badenoch was obviously mocking the government by using 'hurty' as she did. It is unbelievably stunning that the UK government, top to bottom, sat on their hands for two decades while literally thousands of their daughters were groomed and raped. And the best they can come up with is if you question it, you're Islamophobic and you must be silenced.
Hell...one would think it would take less to storm the Bastille.
oops,
this particular one was Germany, not England
https://nypost.com/2024/06/29/world-news/german-woman-given-harsher-sentence-than-rapist-for-defamation/
also the little ax lass is Scottish, not English .. of course
Laura Dodsworth at Daily Sceptic invented a new word yesterday - vexillophobia, the irrational fear of flags (specifically related to the fear of the St. George Cross).
Henceforth, the irrational fear of 'hurty words' shall be called Kakologophobia. In addition to something, it does double duty for someone as well.
We have "No Kings" protests to remind Trump not to fix too many problems too quickly. England has king, and he doesn't seem interested in keeping his country from going off the rails.
The question is whether hurty is denominal or deverbal.
You still ban the word nigger here when used by white people? lol. You just don't see it... "One rule for us, for you another.... Do unto yourselves as you'd see fit for your brother? Is this not within your realm of understanding? A 60 second capacity of mind too demanding??"
The Brits were the first country to industrialize and so they are always the first to experience consequences and reactions to that change. They had the first industrial slums up in Birmingham; they were the economy that Marx studied to formulate his theories; they had the first nanny-state; they were the first to de-industrialize; they are now the first to cope with the social consequences of a detached elite in a welfare state running out of money because of de-industrialization. It's clear that wind power can't run industry or government and it's clear that the government is now just in it for the pickings and It's clear that only the people are an unknown. Now we wait to see what is cast up from the people.
Oct. 20-26 is National Free Speech Week. This should become a global movement, or at least get those sleepy Europeans on board. If not now, when?
"The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak." — Robert Heinlein.
Sorry but the Bobbies and their betters don't wanna get hurt.. easier to just arrest those that post mean words...
@Jaq, "In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful." — C. S. Lewis
Heinlein and Lewis absolutely read each other's work and loved it.
The UK Left allowed Islamic males in - and allow them free reign to do as they please - just so long as they vote the correct way. * wink *
Note that zero American leftists care about free speech over there.
Leftists are universally in lock-step when it comes to arresting people for "hurty words." (fixed)
Leftists are also universally ok with mass -child abuse by Islamic a-holes.
It's blowback from empire. Where do you think all of that sumptuous wealth enjoyed for centuries by the British aristocracy came from? Of course the ones who benefited won't be the ones who suffer the consequences, no, it will be the descendants of the soldiers and sailors sent to fight for their prerogatives who suffer.
You shouldn’t tolerate the destruction of your country because weak people are easily offended by “hurty words” or “mean tweets”. Refraining from such terms for those weaklings simply makes your entire nation as weak as them.
To the naked eye, you can't tell the difference between an Indian Hindu and an Indian Muslim. I don't think they're treated any differently by the general public so far as casual discrimination goes. Nonetheless, Hindus have a higher rate of income and education than the general public and Muslims less......There may be other factors at play, but religion is definitely a part of it.
There is no true "left" to speak of anymore, they are co-opted. The Green Party in Germany is the biggest war mongering party in the country, it's the right that stands with the people, the left has been co-opted. Look at Inga, is she really a "lefty" when she prattles on here that we should be sending young men to their deaths in Ukraine, half a world away and none of our business? There is no more "left." The "lefty" influencers are all taking $8,000 a month to push the interests of neoliberal billionaires.
If you listen to honest to goodness lefties around the world, they are maybe not MAGA, but they clearly are rooting for Trump.
There are conflicting narratives about the Scotch lass. It would seem easy to discredit or verify one or the other, but so far as I know, it hasn't been done. I know there's more to the story, and perhaps there's more to the story about why we don't know with absolute certainty what the story is.
The Tory party was in power for 14 years. They put all these hate laws in place. The Labour party racheted it up a bit, but the Tories put the principle in place.
The Tories will talk about immigration and wokeness to win political support but when in power they just as bad as Labour.
It's time for the people of the UK to rise up against their government and remove them from office. Physically. With force.
A government jailing people for insulting a bunch of foreigners who don't belong in the country in the first place is a government that needs to be violently overthrown.
Labor in the UK has hollowed out its army to the point where it can only bluff and bluster, over a war that doesn't concern Britain. There is no "left" anymore. The term is obsolete.
People have been arrested for writing crap on the internet. The Tory leader should be outraged, not calling it "monitoring social media for hurty words". And she slides past the principle, the rights of people being violated and politically motivated arrests and jailings.
Instead, she poses it as an efficiency issue. The police should be doing other more important things. Just more evidence, the Tories are fakes who wont change a damn thing if elected.
Its a power grab by the Government censors. Its tyranny. Putting it as "Poor snowflakes being upset" just dodges the issue and minimizes it.
They love Big Brother.
Toby Young of the Free Speech Union is also the Toby Young of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People." Ironic? Or somehow fitting?
I travel to Europe from time to time, I think that I will leave my phone and computer back in the US. Use a "burner." Apparently questioning the vaccine can get you labeled a "nazi" in Germany. I just want to get along with everybody.
Offered in the spirit of philosophical consistency: FIRE is suing Marco Rubio and others over deportations and cancellation of visas for speech criticizing American foreign policy. If the complainants really did just engage in speech, then I think I have to reluctantly agree (in the spirit of defending to the death the right of someone to say things with which I disagree - I admit I hope I'm never tested on the "to the death" part) (and also in accordance with prior rulings about First Amendment rights applying to non-citizens - although since those rulings are pretty recent, who am I to say? Maybe another court might decide differently).
But where I think Rubio has every possible leg to stand on is in granting new visas: I don't see how anyone can discern a right for any person to come to this country legally on a visa just because that person wants to do so.
London has fallen.
As an old geezer that has seen the UK up close and has survived two thirds of a century, I can with authority state that the British and EU governments are not "Fascist". Just ask them. No, the UK Tories (Conservatives) are the Gorbachev soviets and the Labour party are the full Stalinist soviet.
Note: I freely admit that I am one of the lunatic heretics that propose the reason behind the vicious fighting between the fascists and communists is just nitpicking differences in terminology under the "Glorious Socialist" ideology.
As plainly as I can, They are all totalitarian twats.
the "Glorious Socialist" ideology
There can be only one... one authority, one-child, etc.
Agree with Jay. It reminds me of the Spanish Civil War. Can’t they both lose?
Much less risky for the police to arrest mostly harmless internet commenters than potentially dangerous rapists and thugs. That's why they prioritize the internet commenters.
Much like American leftists - when an Islamic male commits a crime - the response by the left is universal.
'YOU BETTER Watch your Islam-o-phobia! '
Hurty words are nano aggressions, a hate crime but without scalpels drawn.
Wildswan nailed it at 8:56.
Kier Starmer is a Wanker.
The US electrical grid runs at 60 hurts. Europe runs at 50 hurts. Some of Japan's grid runs at 50 hurts. Some at 60 hurts
Named for Heinrich Hurts
John Henry
"Hurtful" is just as infantile. As in, "you hurt my feewings you big buwwy."
UK government, top to bottom, sat on their hands for two decades while literally thousands of their daughters were groomed and raped.
Wrong and misses the point entirely. (Though I do understand and agree with what I think you meant)
It was not their daughters being groomed and raped. It was the daughters of those bottom class oiks being groomed and raped. In the same way that Pritzger, Newsome and others don't care about murders of their bottom class oiks (blacks) the Brits don't care about theirs either.
"Not our kind of people. Fuck 'em" is the attitude.
The girl trying to defend herself and her sister is being vilified in Britain as a slag from the projects. Scum, not worthy of protection. Not by govt and certainly not by herself.
Fuck the Brits.
John Henry
Oh, crap. Sorry about the bolds
fixed?
Peachy,
Starmer is dickless. He has no dick.
Therefore he cannot be a wanker.
John Henry
The first thing I'd do is get on X and post a simple "F*** you."
That the optics of the Linehan arrest are very bad for Labour is proven by the statement from an official spokesman for Keir Starmer, who said: “The prime minister and the home secretary have been clear about where their priorities for crime and policing are, and that’s tackling anti-social behaviour, shoplifting, street crime, as well as reducing serious violent crimes like knife crime and violence against women.”
Meanwhile the Metropolitan Police commissioner Mark Rowley shines that his officers are in an “impossible position.” He has (necessarily) backed officers as the officers face criticism over the Linehan arrest, but has said the force should not be responsible for “policing toxic culture wars debates.”
My personal view, for what it’s worth, is that Linehan’s arrest blew up so fast, and so strongly against Starmer and his party, that that he has to distance himself from it, do he’s stuck blaming overzealous police officers. And I have no doubt whatsoever that the Metropolitan Police commissioner was 100% aligned with Starmer until he and his officers were left holding the bag, at which point it’s “Who? Us? Not our fault, just doing our job.”
What happened, in Linehan's own words
Well, the
locals disagree with you, John Henry.
…remember we had an ‘arrangement’ when you went away now you’re making us mad. Remember despite our estrangement, we’re your the man…
“Hurty words” is great satire. Look for it to catch on.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that a million times a day, leftists post things online about men, white people, and Christians that would get them arrested in the UK if said about women, minorities, or Muslims. They are indeed "hurty words" of no real consequence, and I would indeed be a big baby if I asked the authorities to punish them.
It's all 'hurty' and 'wordy' until the 7th AfD member mysteriously shows up dead, conveniently putting them out of the election.
It would seem easy to discredit or verify one or the other, but so far as I know, it hasn't been done.
I saw a hospital discharge summary for the girl who is said to have been attacked and concussed, and was being protected by the other girl with the axe and knife. I have read many such documents before, and unless it is an out-and-out forgery, it seems genuine.
Fuck the Brits.
It pains me to say it, as I have strong ties to the country, but I agree. They are not our friends and the "special relationship" should be dissolved. In particular, the "Five Eyes" agreement, which is used by the Deep State scum to circumvent laws against domestic spying.
The British intelligence agencies were deeply involved in the effort to frame and overthrow Trump. That is the action of an enemy.
Yep. I too like "hurty words" - it's a good mocking tone for the universal wanker left.
@Hassayamper, America has lots of frenemies...not just "Five Eyes".
Jamie:
If foreigners were being prosecuted and imprisoned for speech that citizens are free to engage in, I'd agree with you. But no non-citizen has any constitutional "right" to a visa. We tolerate visitors only at the discretion of the President or his delegated inferior, who can deny or revoke a visa at any time for any reason or no reason.
Jaq said...
"I travel to Europe from time to time, I think that I will leave my phone and computer back in the US. Use a "burner." Apparently questioning the vaccine can get you labeled a "nazi" in Germany. I just want to get along with everybody."
I've traveled to over 40 countries, but there's a growing list that I'll never visit again. China, Russia, and Turkey are easy examples. Given recent developments, I no longer view visiting western Europe as worth the risk. I'd still like to visit some of the eastern European nations like Poland. The UK is high on my list of never visit again nations because of safety issues, both from criminals and the police. Sorry, but if I wanted to be a target, I could go to several Democrat-run cities and let my money and blood get taken by Americans (or illegals, whichever).
Western Europe still gets a lot of revenue from tourism. If enough Americans decide to stop going there, eventually those governments will notice. Also, I'm not going to encourage my grandkids to join the military as generations of my family have done. I'm not willing to risk their lives to save Europeans from their own foolish actions and governments.
The Brits are not happy. We need to show support for the Brits who feel betrayed by Wanker Starmer and company.
"They are indeed "hurty words" of no real consequence, and I would indeed be a big baby if I asked the authorities to punish them."
Yeah, loving double standards means you're tough. Let those Leftist put us in jail, while they go scot free. What a bunch of wimps!
John henry said...
“The US electrical grid runs at 60 hurts. Europe runs at 50 hurts. Some of Japan's grid runs at 50 hurts. Some at 60 hurts.
Named for Heinrich Hurts.”
And Philadelphia runs at 1 hurts.
Named for Jalen Hurts.
Do people still think Paul McCartney died in 1966?
Achilles (8:39am):
"These are the things you cannot say. Russia's government is better than the British government right now."
Of course, you can say these things here - it's a free country - they're just utterly and obviously false. Russia has locked up thousands of people for demonstrating against the war on Ukraine, including some who just held up a blank piece of paper or a paper reading "*** *****" (apparently the Russian for "no war" has 3 + 5 letters).
As of Monday, the Russian government is requiring all new cell phones and tablets to have the Max app installed, and are getting ready to ban WhatsApp and Telegram, as China has already done. Here are the pertinent bits of this ChrisO_Wiki Twitter thread (link):
4/ "There have been widespread suspicions that Russia would use Max would spy on users, as WeChat does on behalf of the Chinese government. Not surprisingly, this seems to be the case, as an analysis of its APK file has found.
The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports:
5/ "The national messenger Max, where the Russian authorities are trying to voluntarily and forcibly drive as many users as possible, turned out to be the embodiment of all the horror stories that have ever existed about surveillance using communication devices.
6/ "As a result of the analysis of the APK file of Max by GitHub experts, it turned out that the messenger tracks absolutely ALL processes on the mobile device, collects personal data and geolocation, records video, sound and what is happening on the screen, …
7/ …records the full list of installed applications and text entered by the user (even not yet sent). Thus, at the moment, Max is a tool for deep and constant collection of data about the user and his activity.
8/ "With the help of autostart mechanisms and constant background services, continuous surveillance of the user is ensured using the messenger.
The rest of the thread includes the Max people's attempt to deny the charges, which of course don't even pretend to deny most of them. The fact is that Putin's Russia, like Xi's China and Kim's North Korea, is a totalitarian state.
Horrible things are being done to free speech and other freedoms in several (not all) EU countries, but they pale in comparison to what is going on in Russia and its allies. Anyone who says "even Russia isn't that bad" is just demonstrating his own gross ignorance.
The English need BRITAID. Fire up the go-fasts and fill them to the gunwales with Palmetto State Armory product.
The Islamists did what Nazi Germany couldn’t. They invaded and defeated the UK by crossing the channel in rubber boats.
@Jersey Fled, Martin Van Creveld said, "immigration is war”. I'm inclined to agree with one of world's greatest living strategists.
In my last paragraph I should have written "in several (not all) EU countries and the UK", which hasn't been in the EU for five and a half years now, though some here continue to pretend that the EU is making the censorship happen.
Hurty words is a near rhyme, plus it evokes "dirty words."
Dr. Weevil says…
Horrible things are being done to free speech and other freedoms in several (not all) EU countries, but they pale in comparison to what is going on in Russia and its allies. Anyone who says "even Russia isn't that bad" is just demonstrating his own gross ignorance.
Russian censorship is worse than British and EU censorship.
Therefore we must go to war to make sure the Maidan Coalition maintains their dictatorship over Ukraine and joins the EU dictatorship instead of the Russian dictatorship.
The Maidan Regime in Ukraine is doing exactly the same thing to Orthodox Priests and Ukrainians who oppose the war.
Your cognitive dissonance is hidden by a lot of words.
You are no better than a Putin supporter in Russia.
Hurty words may also remind some old fogies of "hurdy gurdy".
Dr Weevil said...
In my last paragraph I should have written "in several (not all) EU countries and the UK", which hasn't been in the EU for five and a half years now, though some here continue to pretend that the EU is making the censorship happen.
It is fun to watch the dishonest shitheads pretend that the UK elites are not the same people as the EU elites or that expanding the EU is about anything other than centralizing power in Davos.
Yeah, loving double standards means you're tough. Let those Leftist put us in jail, while they go scot free. What a bunch of wimps!
You misunderstand me. I don't "love" the double standard, I'm mocking it and telling the butthurt leftists and minority crybabies that they'll have to tolerate unkind free speech just like we do.
When the British Empire was lost, The Brits fell back on the fantasy of The Commonweath. "Common" my ass. That vanity got them where they are today. Not dead YET but terminal, barrring a miracle.
Almost four centuries ago, The Ottoman Empire brought an army to the Gates of Vienna to advance Islamic conrol of Europe. Fortunately, a miracle in the form of a Polish King who understood the difference between winning and losing, killed many and sent the rest back where they came from. Not s single hurty word was needed.
Fast forward. Islam's armies have brought no cannons or weapons of steel to "Vienna". They came as beggars and victims, pleading for help. Across the sea and overland they came and they kept coming and they keep coming. They have won what the Ottomans only dreamed of.
This would not have been possible without the thoroughly corrupt governing elite in most of Europe.
They might be forgiven were they merely stupid but they are super-evil stupid. They give away their countries and countrymen for personal/class power and privilege. Very soon, he invaders will take that away from them. The invaders already have the police and judges in their camp.
So, who might stand-in for Sobieshi? Nigel Farage? The man who would be King; William? Good Lordy. don't for a second think his wack-o father!
And Germany? Spain? France? What say the new Pope? Is there really hope in Italy, Poland, Czechia, Hungary and the Netherlands?
Soon enough the final chapter will be written and it will be a bloody chapter. The winner will likely be determined by how long the first "shot" is delayed.
For starters:
Declare Sharia Law invalid in the UK.
Ban face covering
Ban "call to prayer"
Tax the living shit out of halal meat
Ban minarets
Deport or jail any imam who "insults" England.
Deny citizenship 10 years for new arrivals.
Offer passage and 10K to every self-deported
Jail or kill all who rsesist.
Footnote: Move entire city of Dearborn, Michigan to one of the Aleutians and burn the old place to the ground.
And here's Achilles lying again. I am not saying that "we must go to war", I would just like to supply more weapons to an independent democracy fighting for survival, which is already at war and will continue to be at war until Russia occupies either all of Ukraine (not possible) or none of Ukraine (very likely in the next year).
Nor is there any such thing as a "Maidan Coalition": Ukraine is in fact a functioning democracy. The only Orthodox priests and Ukrainian citizens who have been jailed are the ones who were actively helping the Russians kill Ukrainians, by, for instance, calling in the locations of troops or (in one notorious case) telling them when a pizza restaurant would be most crowded with civilians so they could maximize casualties with a missile strike.
The fact is that no one in Ukraine has been locked up for holding up a blank piece of paper, for criticizing Zelenskyy or the conduct of the war, or calling for peace, or anything like that. Ukrainians are allowed to put any apps they want on their phones, tweet anything they want (except military secrets), and read any news they want. It is a freer country than the UK, and infinitely freer than Russia. The only one here who is "no better than a Putin supporter in Russia" is Achilles, who can't even do a quick pro forma "Wow, that Max app does sound really nasty!".
Hurty words is a near rhyme, plus it evokes "dirty words."
And "dirty words" compelled a list.
After a rudimentary search, there appears to be no list of "hurty words" on the internet, yet.
When #MeToo came for the flirty words, I did nothing because I did not use the flirty words.
Now that they come for the hurty words there is no one to speak up for them.
Dirty words, however, are more common than ever.
Ann Althouse said...
"Hurty words is a near rhyme, plus it evokes "dirty words.""
You have to pay more for hurty words.
I am that Old Fogey.
”Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”
— Ian Fleming
@RideSpaceMountain, so I take it the way AfD candidates are falling like flies is waaay past suspicious? FWIW I agree.
Mr. Linehan was arrested for talking about transexuals. (Why haven't they arrested JK Rowling yet?) There is a big issue - Mr. Linehan was talking on an USA platform while in the USA. Will American citizens be subject to arrest when they enter the UK if they engage in hurty words on X? Is this just an opening wedge to eventually impose world wide blasphemy laws like the Islamists want?
@John mosby
LOL
I'm taking inspiration today, thumbtacking it to the pink corkboard.
@Temujin - it wasn't their daughters who were groomed and raped. It was the daughters of lesser, unimportant Brits. Who they should have regarded as their own daughters, but they didn't.
Hurty words made thirty birds shit dirty turds.
@Big Mike, where power is concerned, there are no coincidences.
The 7 'hurty words': "We're", "Making", "America", "Great", "Again", "You" "Tranniez"
Hurty words? You can't even defend yourself against hurty hurts in the UK:
What self-defence weapons are legal to carry in the UK?
"In general, carrying weapons in the UK is illegal. You are permitted to carry a knife with a non locking blade of less than three inches, but using it or threatening to use it as a weapon would still be illegal. It is also legal to carry a rape alarm; these can be purchased from some police stations and supermarkets. Carrying pepper spray is not allowed as it is considered to be an offensive weapon. A petition was lodged at Parliament for pepper spray to be made legal, however the government responded that noxious gases are dangerous and it has no plans to legalise carrying them on the streets. There are other sprays on the market that claim to be legal as they are not noxious, but the lawfulness of these products is currently unclear. Police advice suggests that any product designed to cause personal injury is likely to be illegal."
Didn't James Bond use hair spray and a lighter to fend off an attacker? Ah, but he had a licence to kill...
Cops, whether good or bad or black or white or man or woman, are expected to have "balls". Cops in the UK seem have none. They offer no protection for their countrymen or country. Bring back the "scarlet letter" to mark them as the traitors they've become.
Who da thunk the Nazis would win the Battle of Britain 86 years later?
Rusty said...
Ann Althouse said...
"Hurty words is a near rhyme, plus it evokes "dirty words.""
You have to pay more for hurty words.
We are going to have to get all hurty wordy up in this house.
Let me know when we are ready to link this to civility bullshit.
Because they derive from the same core principles.
JRoj said...
Who da thunk the Nazis would win the Battle of Britain 86 years later?
This is the same battle against the same people. Labels are not good differentiators.
It is the principles we are fighting about. Not what we call who we are fighting.
Everybody Hurts - REM
George Gobel's catch phrase was "Well, I'll be a dirty bird".
in so far as the Brotherhood were nazi allies along with many north african nationalist intellectuals, re David Pryce Jones the Broken Circle,
So it's like Terry Gilliams Brazil but its deliberate,
again I refer to Enoch Powell the former intel officer
and then Tory and Unionist parliament member's warnings back in 1967
because Powell knew Pashto, and Arabic, he knew of the sort that Sadik Khan would be,
When Rome was overrun with Goths, they liked Rome, they admired Rome, they wanted to share in the prosperity. But then they got the power to appoint officials and identity outweighed qualifications. So you put a Goth in charge of a factory producing shields, for example, and that Goth had no apprenticeship. You make a Goth a judge, and guess what, the Goth plaintiff wins against a Roman every time! Pretty soon you have what we are no longer allowed to call the "Dark Ages" because people might get the wrong idea!
Wells thought the morlocks would eventually overcome the Eloi, but he thought the timespan would be much later,
Dr. Weevil said…
Nor is there any such thing as a "Maidan Coalition": Ukraine is in fact a functioning democracy. The only Orthodox priests and Ukrainian citizens who have been jailed are the ones who were actively helping the Russians kill Ukrainians, by, for instance, calling in the locations of troops or (in one notorious case) telling them when a pizza restaurant would be most crowded with civilians so they could maximize casualties with a missile strike.
Do you think weevil is so stupid he can’t see the contradictions in his own post?
The Maidan Coalition doesn’t exist. Ukraine is united.
And if you disagree then you go to jail. It is just ridiculous that douchebags like this pretend they are not just like Putin and his supporters in Russia.
If you ask me, the campaign to stifle free speech from the western world, is the front-runner for the eventual gambit for Muslim takeover of society. Because the only organized group that has vitriol for the notion of Free Speech, are the Islamists and the Communists, who can't afford to have the things said, that everybody already knows, in case they start to take action.
of course there is such a thing, Zelenskys party, Poroshenkos and other, the Svoboda sort of fell out in the last election, a minor faction,
Perhaps Achilles can tell us what he thinks (if that's the right word) the "Maidan Coalition" is. A lot of Ukraine-haters pretend that the Maidan uprising in 2013-14 somehow put Zelenskyy in power. It didn't. In the election held after Yanukovych voluntarily fled the country, his sidekick got 3.07% and Poroshenko won. He served a full term and ran for reelection, but was defeated almost 3-1 in 2019 by political neophyte Zelenskyy. Blaming the Maidan uprising for Zelenskyy or Zelenskyy for the uprising is idiotic.
And no one goes to jail for disagreeing with Zelenskyy or the rebellion. That is just a stupid stupid lie by a stupid stupid person. Does Achilles even know that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians came out to demonstrate against a law Zelenskyy proposed and Parliament passed, causing them to back down and reverse it a week or two later? This happened a couple of months ago. Zelenskyy, unlike Yanukovych, did not have them shot down in the streets for demonstrating against him, he listened to them and (with Parliament) undid the unpopular changes, like the democratically-elected leader he is.
Achilles should stick to subjects he knows at least the rudiments of. Ukraine is emphatically not one of them.
no it didn't it put Poroshenko in power, and it was sundered largely by the collapse of the Privat bank, which had an effect in the country, much like Lehman Brothers, in this country,
My advice, Achilles is that you ignore the propagandists. No need to discuss Weevil, and narciso is kind of an odd case too, after being presented with evidence that a US official at the highest level admitted to having talked Jimmy Carter into backing Islamic terrorists in order to provoke a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and in Brzezinski's words, "give Russia it's Viet Nam," he then went on to bemoan how the US was surprised by the very invasion that we deliberately provoked. Then he hinted that I was stupid for not believing his version of events.
So he seems to know a lot of facts, but as to how good he is at fitting them together? Well...
I do think that Brzezinski was stupid, and one of the reasons that people think that Jimmy Carter was kind of dumb was that he listened to the man, but I don't think that he was so stupid that he didn't know what was in his own email conversations with the US President.
My advice to Jaq is to actually address my arguments, to learn from them, and not to ignore them, wait a week or two, and then make the same statements over again as if they had not been refuted.
He has made a tiny start here, not calling the opposition in Afghanistan that Brzesinksi supported "the Taliban". I only had to correct him on that six or seven times, pointing out that the Taliban were not the Mujahideen, though there was some overlap, and were not founded until 15 years later. We'll see if he backslides and starts calling them that again.
Of course, the opposition to the Soviet puppet regime in Kabul in 1979 would be called "guerrillas" rather than "terrorists" by any honest commentator. They were almost certainly less brutal than the Russians or their puppets, at least at the start, before the Russians dragged them down to their own viciously thuggish level.
It would also be good if Jaq would go look in a mirror some time and see what a propagandist looks like.
Is Mark Rowley a toady oppressor in the manner and physical appearance of Nikolai Yezhov?
https://www.uknewsblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Sir-Mark-Rowley.png
… the Taliban were not the Mujahideen, though there was some overlap … [My emphasis]
@Dr. Weevil, can you define “some”? Is it 80%? 90%? If you’re going g to insist on precision then weasel-wording the degree of organizational overlap is not a good look.
Interesting tweet from @eugyppius1, whoever he is, which seems to confirm what I already suspected (link):
"fuck you.
stop promoting this retarded story, which is now mostly dead in Germany itself and survives only in anglophone media, where readers don’t understand that there are thousands and thousand of AfD candidates in NRW and that at least six non-AfD candidates have also died."
I'd been wondering all along '6 or 7 OUT OF HOW MANY?' and finding it suspicious that no one would say. If 6 or 7 Americans running for Congress on major-party tickets all died in a few weeks, that would indeed be suspicious: 6 or 7 out of 800 or so. If the 6 or 7 included those who were running for city council or county school board or dog-catcher, far less so. The number of Americans who run for office at some level in every even-numbered year must be in the tens or even hundreds of thousands, and Germany is a large enough country that the number there would also be quite large.
Big Mike:
A few former Mujahideen joined forces with the Taliban when they arose, though most of their membership was young students. It may have been 10-30%. But so what? The fact is that many - probably most - of the surviving Mujahideen fought against the Taliban, and (very important) the US always supported the Northern Alliance against the Russians and the Taliban, while Pakistan supported the Taliban, even if a Pakistani Defense Minister is now pretending we told them to.
What's interesting is that for every single foreign policy issue, Jaq blames the US entirely. It couldn't have been the Afghans or the Russians who destroyed Afghanistan: no, it has to be Zbigniew Brzezinski. And it couldn't have been Putin or Yanukovych or any other Russians or Ukrainians who caused the Russian invasion of Ukraine: no, it has to be Victoria Newland. If China invades Taiwan, it won't be Xi's fault: no, it will be Truman's fault for daring to prevent Mao from taking the place in 1948. (Jaq doesn't believe in the consent of the governed, and thinks China has a perfect right to invade Taiwan.) He's quite consistent in depicting the US as the Satan of World History, entirely responsible for every bad thing that happens.
Will he accuse me of alleging that the US has no responsibility for any bad thing that has happened? All signs point to yes, and it will be a lie when he does.
The Orwellian anti-free-speech regime in the UK is disgusting, and the people who created and enforce it all deserve to be tossed into an open sewer.
That said, I have to raise a small objection to the idea that contemporary England is a crime-ridden, third-world hellhole. Over the past 10 years I've spent a cumulative 4-5 months in England and was just there for a couple of weeks in July. Outside of particular areas of London and Birmingham,* I have seen little of the crime and squalor, or the hordes of angry migrants, that we keep being shown in the media. There are definitely signs of economic strain, particularly in the midlands and the north, and everything did get worse right after covid, but the people in York, Durham, on the Yorkshire coast, in the Dales, the Ribble Valley, Ely, Canterbury, Winchester, and Oxford seem like always have seemed: polite, prosperous, reserved, and decent.
(I used to be the rare scholar of medieval literature who WASN'T an Anglophile, but spending so much time in England (albeit in really beautiful places, great libraries, ruins of monasteries, etc.) has started to make me one.
So I want English identity and heritage to be celebrated and protected from the hatred and condescension of the current political class; I just haven't seen in person the bleak dystopia that appears in the media.
*To be fair, I have no reason to go to the putatively dangerous areas of London and so haven't really seen them.
I'd been wondering all along '6 or 7 OUT OF HOW MANY?' and finding it suspicious that no one would say.
I believe it was the brilliant Dr. Thomas Sowell who said that any time there is a news story, proposed legislation, or other important topic of conversation that may influence public policy, the two most important questions are "Compared to what?" and "At what cost?"
“The 57-year-old TV writer says he has been ordered not to use the social media platform X while he has been released on bail after being detained by armed police at Heathrow" (London Times).”
“Ordered”? That sounds like a hurty word to me. And I’m pretty sure the donut-munchers uttered some hurty words when they “detained” him.
yes the war between faction of the Peshawar circle, (robert kaplan) did lead to the fall of the Massoud govt and the rise of the Taliban, whose origins we didn't really know about till Ahmed Rashid's book, they were a small faction, sponsored by the ISI which had toppled Bhutto, and was supporting the military govt,
its a little like the PSO and the once and future Yemeni govt of Ali Mohammed Saleh, who they dubbed the Crocodile,
an Egyptian trained officer, who rose through the merrygoround of coups to take power in 1978, who used the Islamists fighters sent to Afghanistan by Sheikh Zindani, to wage the civil war, then gave them 'room to destroy'
he relied on a coalition of sheikhs like Awlaki's father, who was a minister in the government, from one of the larger governates, this is why it took almost five years to run him down,
Drout, that is a good point. In part the image of Britain as halfway down the hellhole may actually be supported by both sides: the right as something to stop and reverse, and the left as something that’s well on the way to happening and can’t be stopped.
In reality, UK is something like 70% indigenous British, and over 80% indigenous European (mostly Slavs with no great love for the Turk). The fuzzy wuzzies are a very small minority, and they are concentrated in the dark satanic mills. Lots of green and pleasant land remains, as you noted.
But neither side really wants to emphasize this. The right should give it a try: it might gain more supporters if people understand the numbers are on their side. RR, JSM
Edmund Burke said 'all that it takes for evil, to prosper, is for good men to do nothing' this is what has happened since the Blair era, when Londonistan came into being, Cameron was not better, in many ways even worse, Johnson had promise but he was samsoned, so they find themselves in Airship One,
Dr Weevil said...
Perhaps Achilles can tell us what he thinks (if that's the right word) the "Maidan Coalition" is. A lot of Ukraine-haters pretend that the Maidan uprising in 2013-14 somehow put Zelenskyy in power. It didn't. In the election held after Yanukovych voluntarily fled the country, his sidekick got 3.07% and Poroshenko won. He served a full term and ran for reelection, but was defeated almost 3-1 in 2019 by political neophyte Zelenskyy. Blaming the Maidan uprising for Zelenskyy or Zelenskyy for the uprising is idiotic.
Grok has a surprisingly comprehensive list. It only left out Victoria Nuland.
Key Players in the Maidan CoalitionThe coalition united diverse groups, but tensions arose from ideological differences (e.g., nationalists vs. liberals) and power struggles. Major components included:Mainstream Pro-Western Parties:Fatherland (Batkivshchyna): Led by Yulia Tymoshenko (released from prison during the protests). Focused on anti-corruption and EU integration. Tymoshenko became a key figure post-Maidan.
UDAR (Punch): Led by boxer Vitali Klitschko, emphasizing democratic reforms. Klitschko later became Kyiv's mayor.
Svoboda (Freedom): Nationalist party led by Oleh Tyahnybok, with far-right leanings. Held key posts in the interim government (e.g., deputy prime minister).
Far-Right and Militant Groups:Right Sector (Pravy Sektor): Paramilitary wing of the protests, armed and radical. Played a role in barricades and clashes but was marginalized post-revolution.
Other nationalists from Svoboda and smaller groups provided "self-defense" units.
Civil Society and NGOs:Grassroots activists, students, and organizations like the International Renaissance Foundation (part of Open Society) provided aid, media coverage (e.g., Hromadske TV), and documentation of abuses. They pushed for transparency and reforms.
Oligarchs and Independents:Petro Poroshenko (chocolate magnate, future president) and other business elites supported the protests financially but prioritized their interests in reforms.
Interim Government Figures:Arseniy Yatsenyuk (Fatherland) as PM; included Western-born reformers like Natalie Jaresko (US-born Finance Minister).
The coalition's diversity was its strength during the uprising but led to instability later, as far-right elements gained temporary influence (e.g., Svoboda held 5 senior roles initially).
Military Operations: The Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO)Launch and Scope: In April 2014, the interim government (led by Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov and PM Yatsenyuk) launched the ATO to reclaim separatist-held areas in Donetsk and Luhansk. This was framed as a counter-terrorism effort, avoiding a formal war declaration due to Ukraine’s weak military (only ~6,000 combat-ready troops in 2014).
Key Campaigns: Summer 2014: Ukrainian forces retook cities like Sloviansk (July 5) and Kramatorsk, regaining ~50% of separatist territory by August. Volunteer battalions (e.g., Azov, Donbas Battalion), often tied to far-right Maidan groups like Right Sector, played a key role due to army shortages.
Battles of Ilovaisk (August 2014) and Debaltseve (January–February 2015): Russian regular troops intervened, leading to devastating Ukrainian losses (e.g., ~400 killed at Ilovaisk). These setbacks forced reliance on diplomacy (Minsk agreements).</b.
Impact: By 2015, Ukraine controlled ~70% of Donbas, but the frontline stabilized into a frozen conflict. The ATO killed ~2,000 separatists and Russian fighters but also ~1,500 Ukrainian soldiers and ~4,000 civilians (2014–2016, per UN estimates).
Role of Far-Right: Maidan’s nationalist elements (e.g., Azov Battalion, later integrated into the National Guard) were effective but controversial, accused of human rights abuses (e.g., looting, per Amnesty International reports).
Anyone who has to have Grok do his homework for him should probably leave the discussion to those who actually know things.
Should also turn off his damned bold. Did that work?
Jaq said...
My advice, Achilles is that you ignore the propagandists.
You of all people should realize that isn't my style.
Weevil is just a useful foil. He provides stupidity and easy targets. The goal here isn't to change his mind. He wont do that until he is ready.
The purpose here is to have both sides presented side by side so people can assess and come to their own conclusions.
Maybe a year ago most people on this board were calling me a Putin Puppet. They were all Desantis supporters too for the most part.
Now you can clearly see the change in sentiment on this Board. Weevil's stupidity and lack of self awareness aided in that.
The same thing happened during COVID. I spent several months being blasted by people like you. Almost everyone demanded I admit I was causing more people to die. It took me a couple hours reading about the Diamond Princess outbreak and a short review of history to figure out that was all a bunch of bullshit. It just took you all a year or so to catch up.
Dr Weevil said...
Anyone who has to have Grok do his homework for him should probably leave the discussion to those who actually know things.
You are pathetic. I have been reading about these people and factions for years.
I notice you can't actually address what I compiled there.
All of those people and factions exist.
All of those events happened.
You are just a stupid foil and intellectual coward that comes here to get humiliated while I educate the people on this board who are capable of independent thought.
the narratives fostered by the Russia hoaxers, on both side of the pond, by the lock down fraud peddlers makes one skeptical of much,
so the likes of vindman fiona hill, george kent et al, have made us dubious, the whole spider webs of oligarchs like kolomoisky, akhmatov pinchuk et al, is bewildering,
Achilles has never shown any evidence in the past of having so much as heard of 80% of the people Grok just listed for him. I do not believe he knows anything about them except what Grok just told him.
And speaking of intellectual cowards and stupid foils, he ignores everything I wrote in my 12:02pm and 2:37pm comments except my question about the Maidan Coalition, which he wrote of in the present tense. One more time: the Maidan Revolution did not put Zelenskyy in office, the people of Ukraine did that five years later. Whatever factions were involved in 2014 don't have a damned thing to do with the argument. I had never heard them called the Maidan Coalition, and it seems a silly name, because the people who rose against Yanukovych were basically the entire population of Ukraine, with the exception of Yanukovych's relatives and corrupt henchmen.
And those factions have nothing whatsoever to do with the question at hand, which is whether Ukraine right now deserves the support of all decent people, as I think, and as everyone in the Coalition thinks, or deserves to be enslaved to Putin's murderous troops, as Achilles insists.
My 12:02pm and 2:37pm were about present-day Ukraine, which, contrary to Achilles, is not a dictatorship, has no more Nazis per capita than the US and a lot fewer than Russia, does not lock people up for disagreeing with the government, and is innocent of every other accusation made against them by Achilles and Jaq, as I have shown in detail many times.
I should also note that the Russians didn't intervene to help the insurgents in Ilovaisk. They were there from the start: the very first shots were fired in Slovyansk by a group led by Igor Girkin, KGB man from Moscow, sent by Putin. There was nothing organic about the uprisings in Crimea and Donbas. Both were in fact coups d'état led and in great part manned by Russians, though they only admitted it at Ilovaisk, when many of their troops were captured.
Americans think they have a problem with their deep state. You've got nothing on the English civil service.
Notice, we know of Linehan’s story because he posted the ordeal on Substack. He’s allowed to post there. He’s allowed to post almost anywhere, but X. It doesn’t change the fact that he was arrested, that his speech is being censored, and that he stills faces criminal charges. It isn’t just his speech that is being limited, but X’s. That’s how petty Keir Starmer is.
Herr Schtarmer, thank you.
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