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"I don’t think there have been successes. We’ve seen a 30- or 40-year decline in the agency because... it’s been infiltrated by the pharmaceutical companies."

"And they’ve made a series of bad decisions.... What we want to do now is put an end to it, to end those entanglements — those corrupting entanglements with the pharmaceutical industry — and make this again a gold standard science agency that is protecting the American public."

Said Robert F. Kennedy Jr., quoted in "RFK Jr. says he sees no successes in the agency he leads" (CNN).

75 टिप्‍पणियां:

Leland ने कहा…

I concur with RFK Jr. on that assessment.

n.n ने कहा…

Health care is correlated with but is not medical care. The latter should only support and follow informed consent without coercion (e.g. mandate, steering).

FormerLawClerk ने कहा…

I would ask RFJ, Jr. to cite a single example where a person has been successful in doing what he's attempting to do.

No federal government agency that has been corrupted has ever been un-corrupted. Ever. In our nation's entire history.

gilbar ने कहा…

here's a Serious Question:
*IF* modern pharmaceuticals are SO GOOD..
WHY do they have to advertise them?
WHY?

FormerLawClerk ने कहा…

And that includes USAID ... which no longer even exists.

Because USAID was just hidden away back in the State Department. It still exists. And it's still just as corrupt as it ever was.

RideSpaceMountain ने कहा…

In Brazil, ANVISA is basically the USDA, FDA, CDC, and CPA all rolled into one, and it's obvious the CDC was heading in that direction. As someone who's had to deal with ANVISA, I can categorically assure you don't want this.

ANVISA is practically owned by international health conglomerates, whose corrupt bureaucrats are renowned for doing 24 months (sometimes less) before being respawned as Bayer or Sanofi executives or starting their own consultancies on how to navigate the byzantine rules they just promulgated not 6 months earlier.

Multiple attempts have been made to transform ANVISA, all of which not only failed but made it stronger, and it's practically guaranteed now Brazil will never be rid of it. I hope RFK shakes things up bad. Real bad.

narciso ने कहा…

as yoda said 'there is no try, only do'

Narr ने कहा…

A+ for clarity. Let's watch what happens.

Sydney ने कहा…

He's right about that. It's been getting worse and worse since at least the 1990's when they approved hepatitis B vaccines to reduce the rates of liver cancer caused by the hepatitis B virus. They downplayed the cost of universal immunization vs. the benefit of reducing one cause of liver cancer. Every time a new vaccine was developed it was quickly adopted and recommended with less and less consideration of the cost. They used to be much more cautious about that sort of thing.

Randomizer ने कहा…

Covid was the big game for the CDC, HHS and WHO. The medical establishment showed itself to be a Charlie-Foxtrot when we needed them. They don't get to brass it out by insisting that they are "invaluable and must be protected."

I don't know that RFK is right, but he doesn't seem to have anything to gain. Big Pharma gave Elizabeth Warren a million bucks, and she isn't the only politician who got paid. Media companies are paid handsomely for pharmaceutical advertising.

If Fauci, the CDC and the rest of the medical establishment were contrite and humbled for what they did to us, they might be due some compassion. As it is, I don't care.

Any staff members who are outraged about the dismissal of the director of the CDC, can be escorted out of the building, get two weeks pay and start looking for other opportunities.

narciso ने कहा…

any tool in excess, can be abused, vaccines are an instrument, but overuse produces viral tolerances,

ndspinelli ने कहा…

I've read his book on Fauci. It's a clinical evisceration of that quack. RFK is over the target and he's getting heavy fire. I hope Trump has his back through this.

rehajm ने कहा…

…great at wealth transfer…

Lem Vibe Bandit ने कहा…

I think this is true. How much money has cancer research spent and we aren’t any closer to a cure than 50 years ago?

Achilles ने कहा…

This is just the cover for the corruption. Everyone in our government agencies has a corresponding contact in the insurance, drug, and hospital industries.

They all work together to make Americans fat and unhealthy and addicted to drugs.

The entire edifice is evil and corrupt.

Lem Vibe Bandit ने कहा…

Reminds me that line by Bob Grant: The CDC is sick and getting sicker.

Steven ने कहा…

"We aren't any closer to a cure [for cancer] than 50 years ago?"

Insane take - The survival rate for most cancers is many times greater now than it was 50 years ago.

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/americans-are-now-one-third-less-likely-to-die-from-cancer-at-the-same-ages-as-americans-in-1990

Howard ने कहा…

According to Gemini AI:

In the United States, there is no scientific proof that Health and Human Services (HHS) agency policies have reduced overall disease, illness, and death from obesity over the past 40 years. The prevalence of obesity has steadily increased during this period, despite numerous policies and initiatives aimed at prevention.

Howard ने कहा…

Gemini AI on HHS improving cancer outcomes:

Yes, extensive scientific evidence shows that public health policies, including those from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), have significantly contributed to reducing cancer illness and death over the last several decades. These policies work by promoting evidence-based prevention strategies, increasing access to screening, and supporting research that leads to better treatments.

Howard ने कहा…

Gemini AI on HHS effectiveness against infectious diseases:

Yes, there is extensive scientific evidence showing that Health and Human Services agency policies, particularly federal and state vaccination programs and public health campaigns like those for tobacco control, have significantly reduced infectious disease illness and death over the last 40 years and beyond. Key examples include the near-eradication of diseases such as polio and measles through vaccination campaigns and policies that supported access to these vaccines, and the decline of HIV/AIDS due to federal funding allocations and interventions.

Steven ने कहा…

I do not understand people's dislike of drug companies. I guess it is because they charge a lot of money, but drugs are very expensive to develop because of the extreme amount of regulation they face, most of which is mandated by the government in the first place. The profit margins are moderate, because of the high R&D costs.


Part of DHS's job is to subsidize research through NIH in order to reduce the risk to the pharmaceutical industry. Pharmaceuticals are at least as strategic an industry as steel or energy, which the administration feels strongly about protecting. A stable pharmaceutical industry protects people's health, protects jobs, and provides insurance in the face of pandemic disease or biological warfare.

Howard ने कहा…

I think it would be much better if Bobby would restrict himself to solving the obesity epidemic rather than take on vaccines medicine and overall health improvement policies for those diseases not triggered by gluttony and sloth

rrsafety ने कहा…

I have an area of expertise (25 years) and all I know is that when RFK and his team speak about it, they are 90% wrong and unwilling to listen and learn. For the time being, I will assume he is equally wrong about other areas.

Quaestor ने कहा…

"I concur with RFK Jr. on that assessment."

Ditto.

narciso ने कहा…

compared to that previous wombat becerra, known then as one of the stupidest congressmen in the 90s, hank johson hold my beer,

Greg The Class Traitor ने कहा…

Cleaning up the water and basic vaccines were the successes

They were all decades ago

Since the "Public Health" has been nothing but a parking place for left wing losers who aren't capable of doing anything other than politics.

Which is a big part of why they so utter failed Covid: no one with a brain goes into Public Health

So it's all whores. Most political, some financial

narciso ने कहा…

when that centaur demetrakis, rises to any level of responsibility,

Peachy ने कहा…

Michael Bennett (D) Colorado wants to be the Governor of Colorado. Michael Bennett is assho.

boatbuilder ने कहा…

Part of DHS's job is to subsidize research through NIH in order to reduce the risk to the pharmaceutical industry. Pharmaceuticals are at least as strategic an industry as steel or energy, which the administration feels strongly about protecting. A stable pharmaceutical industry protects people's health, protects jobs, and provides insurance in the face of pandemic disease or biological warfare.

Socialize the losses. Keep the profits. What a deal!

Mike (MJB Wolf) ने कहा…

It's true. Both the FDA and CDC were captured by the very entities they were there to regulate. It's indisputable. The sooner democrats stop obstructing and help us get back to science-based decision making the better. We need transparency and repeatability, the hallmarks of actual, as opposed to bureaucratic, science.

Peachy ने कहा…
इस टिप्पणी को लेखक द्वारा हटा दिया गया है.
Peachy ने कहा…

I did love it when Bernie Sanders admitted that "Everyone in this room - (including Saint Bernie!) - accepted money from big pharma.."

narciso ने कहा…

that was his best major renault,

Mike (MJB Wolf) ने कहा…

Strawman Steven shows up to say "I do not understand people's dislike of drug companies." Perhaps if you address the issue at hand, the regulatory capture of the FDA by the drug companies you are so incurious about, you would understand why normal people are disappointed in the present system and the poor outcomes from years of neglect by Congress and the Executive branches.

Howard ने कहा…

Mike: that's a well-established theory in political science. In my experience working in the highly regulated environmental control and cleanup industry, that certainly is the case. Large corporations help Taylor regulations and they are much more capable of manipulating and navigating through the complicated web and use it as a competitive advantage over the mom and pops of the industry.

Gemini AI Says: The political science theory for when government regulatory agencies come to be dominated by the very industries they were established to regulate is known as regulatory capture.
It was famously described by Nobel laureate economist George Stigler in his 1971 article, "The Theory of Economic Regulation". The central idea is that the concentrated interests of an industry have far more motivation and resources to influence regulators than the diffuse interests of the public.

Achilles ने कहा…

Steven said...
I do not understand people's dislike of drug companies.

Let us start with statins. Statins were developed based off of the absolutely fraudulent “research” of Ansel Keys. Ansel Keys published studies that purported to show that cholesterol caused heart disease. Ansel Keys made Mendel look honest.

Over the last decades the drug companies have implemented a kickback scheme with doctors and insurance companies to sell statins to million of people and drug companies have made billions if not trillions of dollars.

But they have known for a long time that statins do not extend life expectancy and that high cholesterol is around 13th or 14th on the list of correlated factors in the cause of heart disease.

Meanwhile Americans have been put on high carb low fat diets. The number one cause of heart disease is diabetes type 2 and the second highest cause is obesity. Basically the same thing.

The drug companies and the food industry are just the same people now that our corporate culture is so inbred and incestuous.

The more you learn about the drug companies the more you will hate them,

Achilles ने कहा…

Peachy said...
I did love it when Bernie Sanders admitted that "Everyone in this room - (including Saint Bernie!) - accepted money from big pharma.."

Watching that clip I couldn’t help but rethink my understanding of who Bernie Sanders is. For the longest time I have thought he was a wretched sellout who knew what he was doing and why. He was clearly paid to endorse Hillary in 2016 and has ruthlessly grifted his supporters for decades.

But after watching that clip I think he just might be a really stupid person.

The Vault Dweller ने कहा…

It has been my general experience that folks tend to know which side of their bread is buttered. What is more buttery than getting your professional existence paid for?

narciso ने कहा…

I think Ring Lardner said something about that,

Dude1394 ने कहा…

Amazing how entitled these long term agencies are. They think they should never be questioned and never be reformed. That they should not be judged on results but the process. Life doesn’t work that way, time to defend your work and show results.

bagoh20 ने कहा…

I do not trust the pharma industry one bit and agree with the sentiments here, but in the interests of balance I need to at least add that without reservation or caveat they have saved my life a number of times from certain death and chronic or acute illness. I know for certain that I would not have been around for the last 20 years without the products of their work. That of course does not mean I accept anything they do. They definitely need better regulation and oversight. The money involved is at a level that absolutely breeds corruption, and the stakes are too high to trust anyone with that power.

rehajm ने कहा…

But after watching that clip I think he just might be a really stupid person

…been that way since Burlington. I’ll give him credit for knowing how to garner a following…

bagoh20 ने कहा…

Most problems, even very big ones are curable, like the water and air pollution of the last century that is mostly under control now. It's just that the resources and power accessed to do it are very prone to corruption. We need to understand that at all times. It's like carrying a gun. It does a lot to solve certain problems, but comes with enormous risks if done with abandon. Our government has done some great things, but has also let the power get out of hand. I support Trump's use of power lately, because the problems are large and need fixed, but I do expect that some, maybe even Trump himself, will let it go too far. I have a CCW, but I take that responsibility very serious. That's how I want our government to be.

Eva Marie ने कहा…

“I know for certain that I would not have been around for the last 20 years without the products of their work.”
You wouldn’t be around without the farmers, the petroleum industry, the construction industry, the police force, our military, etc. That doesn’t give anyone a license to become corrupt sleezebags.

Levi Starks ने कहा…

The best example is insulin. A “medication” that’s been available for a hundred years and very cheaply at that. And it was effective. Enter big Pharma… we’ll create designer synthetic insulins which are somewhat better for some people and encourage doctors to prescribe it. Eventually the traditional insulin (derived from pig and cow pancreas’) disappears from the market because it’s deemed an inferior product. Guess what happens next? Suddenly it becomes nearly unaffordable unless you have an insurance plan that covers (with a deductible) it.
So, an effective affordable product is no longer affordable.
It took about 20 years, but here we are.
Meanwhile research shows that in nations like India is still readily affordable, and for pennies on the dollar as compared to what’s available in the USA.

Larry J ने कहा…

When I was in the military, procurement officers who left the service were prohibited from going to work for defense contractors for something like 2-5 years. This was based on conflict of interest, such as the Air Force general who awarded the contract for defensive countermeasures systems for the B-1B bomber to a company that failed to do the work. He retired and walked into a fat VP job at that company. Their failure ended up delaying the plane reaching operational status and costing billions to fix.

I got out in 1992, so those rules might not exist today. We need similar rules for government employees barring them from working for the industry they regulated. Conflict of interest is almost certain when the revolving door spins.

Peachy ने कहा…

Levi Starks.
Great example - and true.
Also true is that already available medications that prove effective - are given the Leftist-antifa treatment.
the loyal Maddow minions will dutifully carry the water for their leftist money whore masters. Ivermectin is a good example.

n.n ने कहा…

Eva is right, this is not a general criticism of pharmaceuticals. People need to be careful of exercising liberal license to indulge Diversity (e.g. color judgment, class bigotry) dogma or bloc ideologies.

Levi is right, too, and describes a first-order forcing of our national, state, and private debt, a monetary malaise that threatens catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

RFK is right, too. While Make America Medicated Again (MAMA) has an empathetic appeal, the goal is to Make America Healthy Again (MAHA).

rrsafety ने कहा…

"*IF* modern pharmaceuticals are SO GOOD..
WHY do they have to advertise them?
WHY?"
To let people know they are available.

Douglas B. Levene ने कहा…

I’m with Bobby. Get rid of the doctors running the CDC and replace them all with plaintiff’s lawyers. Make Measles Great Again!

Rusty ने कहा…

rehajm said...
"But after watching that clip I think he just might be a really stupid person

…been that way since Burlington. I’ll give him credit for knowing how to garner a following…"

Are you using 'garner' correctly? Couldn't you just say 'gather'? I don't know because I'm afraid to use it, garner, because of all the controversy that it's caused.

narciso ने कहा…

import 20 million unvaccinated people into the country, be better doug

Rusty ने कहा…

Can't we just drop the cost of Eliquis please? I'm pretty sure I've personally bought several Mercedes 450 AMGs for pharma execs.

Rusty ने कहा…

narisco +1

minnesota farm guy ने कहा…

Two comments: I agree that pharmaceutical companies should not be allowed to advertise specific medications. Two reasons. "Detail men" who spread the word specifically to Docs were ample to spread the word of new medicines and new applications in the past; and very few TV viewers are going to prescribe for themselves and most have no idea what the risk/reward/cost benefit is for any particular medicine- what the pharma companies are trying to do is get the viewers to ask for specific medicines that are neither as efficacious or affordable as many substitutes.

I was diagnosed with "high cholesterol" in my 40s and was put on statins which might have lowered my cholesterol bit. In the meanwhile I was supposed to get checked every couple of years to see if the statins were damaging my kidneys. I decided the threat to my kidneys was greater than the statins were worth. In a couple of weeks I will be 83. I think I was right.
I think "big pharma" is out of control and needs to be reined in. Will there be some adverse consequences? Maybe. It's worth having the debate.
We have seen with the abortion debate and now the "trans" movement that money plays a much bigger role in Medicine/Drugs than we would wish.

n.n ने कहा…

Levine's Dreams of Herr Mengele is a lifelong investment in trans/simulant "care".

Achilles ने कहा…

Douglas B. Levene said...
I’m with Bobby. Get rid of the doctors running the CDC and replace them all with plaintiff’s lawyers. Make Measles Great Again!

Dishonest, Stupid and mean about it.

Looks like this just another Chuck account…

Dogma and Pony Show ने कहा…

"*IF* modern pharmaceuticals are SO GOOD..
WHY do they have to advertise them?
WHY?"

Pharma doesn't advertise in order to sell their products. They advertise in order to BUY the networks' tractability. That commercial dough disincentivizes the news divisions from running hard-hitting stories about Pharma.

hombre ने कहा…

“… it’s been infiltrated by the pharmaceutical companies ….” And so, apparently, has the Congress!

narciso ने कहा…

yes their shoulder patches are quite striking like nascar

effinayright ने कहा…

CDC corruption is made clear by this fact: its top scientists are listed as "co-inventors" and receive royalties from patent licenses , patents for meds they "helped" guide through the bureaucracy.

This helps explain why career CDC people like Fauci wind up multi-millionaires.

It's astrounding that such self-dealing is not entirely illegal.

Peachy ने कहा…

It's funny how leftists are all assholes now. Keep up the good work, chucks.

Peachy ने कहा…

Leftists stand shoulder to shoulder with big pharma greed!

Peachy ने कहा…

We need big pharma to work for us - Not Elizabeth Warren and Fraud Michael Bennett.

Gospace ने कहा…

Steven said...
"We aren't any closer to a cure [for cancer] than 50 years ago?"

Insane take - The survival rate for most cancers is many times greater now than it was 50 years ago.


Survival rate isn't a cure. Pointed out by many is that the best financial result for a drug company isn't finding a cure- but finding a lifetime regimen of drugs that abates the symptoms...

As far as vaccine effectiveness, there's a number of people that point out that all the diseases eliminated by vaccines were well on their way down by the time vaccines were developed. Let's take typhoid as a particular. In a first world nation, with proper sanitation and reasonable precautions, typhoid should be somewhere between rare and non-existent. Should everyone be vaccinated against it? Or should we rely on available drug treatment should someone come down with it?

Biff ने कहा…

I've spent most of my career in pharmaceutical/biotech research. The FDA has its faults and bad actors, but it also has a lot of serious, dedicated professionals. Regardless of which camp someone is in, FDA staff do have enough arrogance and condescension to fill a dozen government agencies. That doesn't help anyone's cause.

There are a couple of very serious problems that complicate the challenge of running the FDA.

First, even using the most rigorous standards and best intentions, the actual medical science is complicated and ambiguous, and a reasonable risk/benefit for one disease area can be completely unreasonable for another.

Next, the number of people who legitimately understand the scientific and regulatory issues is very small. It is measured in the thousands, and the expertise generally is acquired by actually working in the field and seeing how how research programs work, how clinical trials are run, and how manufacturing is performed. In all seriousness, there is little in the way of formal education that provides that specific knowledge. That means, in practice, that most regulatory professionals have spent time working for the industry. Until someone comes up with a better approach, there will be a revolving door between the industry and the FDA.

Achilles ने कहा…

Biff said...

I've spent most of my career in pharmaceutical/biotech research. The FDA has its faults and bad actors, but it also has a lot of serious, dedicated professionals. Regardless of which camp someone is in, FDA staff do have enough arrogance and condescension to fill a dozen government agencies. That doesn't help anyone's cause.

Excellent. Thank you for this opportunity.

Please explain how the food pyramid came about for us if you have time.

Then if you have time explain how Statins made it through review.

If we have bonus time you could do vegetable oil and poly-unsaturated fats.

I am honestly intrigued to hear how this sausage is made.

Jim at ने कहा…

To let people know they are available.

That's what doctors are for.

And if you were to ask most MDs, they will admit they hate Big Pharma ads because patients will come in demanding said drug and won't take no for an answer.

bagoh20 ने कहा…

"You wouldn’t be around without the farmers, the petroleum industry, the construction industry, the police force, our military, etc. That doesn’t give anyone a license to become corrupt sleezebags."

Those are all corrupt too, and now that you put it that way, I wish I was dead for the last 20 years. It wasn't my best period anyway.

paminwi ने कहा…

It’s the hubris that the staff at the CDC have. They act as if they are the only smart people in our country who an do those jobs.
I don’t buy that scenario.
Plus, plain & simple those assholes across the board lied to every single one of us.
And NOW we are learning how horrible that jab was for so many across so many demographics. A new study came out about the effect on pregnant women and the babies they were carrying when they got that jab. That’s my daughter and my grandchildren. That’s on top of my son and his heart issues that arose after his 2nd jab. He went from doing triathlons to having a hard time climbing stairs.
So fuck every single one of these lying assholes and fire them all!

Eva Marie ने कहा…

“Those are all corrupt too, and now that you put it that way, I wish I was dead for the last 20 years. It wasn't my best period anyway.”
Well I absolutely don’t wish for your absence the past 10 years. The world is a better place with you here - including your comments on this blog, which are wonderful. As your starting point makes clear - “those are all corrupt too”. So many times worthwhile enterprises defend themselves against charges or complaints by portraying the issue as binary. Would you rather not have food on the table? or cops on the street? Or the meds you take? My point is we can value all of those things AND object to how these enterprises or businesses conduct themselves. I can see though, that my remark was way too blunt and I’m sorry.

Oso Negro ने कहा…

@ Bagoh20 - You can trust individual people, but wise not to trust companies or organizations. And with individual people, you can trust them to be themselves. A really wise person is suspicious of their own motivations as well.

Bruce Hayden ने कहा…

Think about this for a minute. The guy who so publicly quit as head of CDC’s Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases was an out and proud satanist. He’s also the guy who changed the name of monkey-pox to mpox in order to minimize the tie between the virus and gay male sex (I,e, anal sex). If you keep sex to places designed for it, you won’t get it. This means that we had a satanist helping to determine COVID-19 vaccine policy, where millions may have had their health negatively affected by the marginally tested, often mandated, ModRNA vaccines, and likely more killed by it than by the virus. Personally, I would rather have a good Christian making those decisions. Were his priorities those of most of us, of minimizing suffering, or were they something darker? We just don’t know.

Turns out Sec Kennedy gave a direct order to get access to vaccine safety information (under control of this satanist). It was ignored until he left office. That’s insubordination, similar to that employed by the FBI in refusing Trump’s direct, written, order to declassify his binder of incriminating RussiaGate documents his last full day in office in 2021. That alone was sufficient cause to fire the CDC Director.

We have known since almost the beginning that vaccine injury reporting and injury recovery were being significantly undermined by the CDC in regards to the ModRA vaccines. It’s been a major, very obvious, coverup (why Kennedy wanted to see the data, and why the CDC was refusing to let him see it).

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Achilles said...

"Please explain how the food pyramid came about for us if you have time."

My knowledge is much more on the drug side of things than on the food side of things. That said, the food pyramid recommendations came from the Department of Agriculture, not from the FDA. It does seem clear that the USDA went ahead with forceful recommendations that were not justified by the science. The USDA has a built-in conflict of interest between promoting health and promoting commerce. Again, it's not my area of expertise, but allegations of politically-driven decisions and/or corruption by the USDA seem plausible to me. It's also fair to question why the FDA was silent on the food pyramid, though I think FDA staff would say that the food pyramid was outside of its regulatory lane, so organizationally it would be a risky proposition.

"Then if you have time explain how Statins made it through review."

That one is easier to address, but you need to go back to the early days of statin research to see the full picture. Cardiac disease generally is a long-term disease. If a potentially life saving treatment for a long-term disease appears, it is neither ethical nor plausible to wait for long-term studies to be completed before making a regulatory decision. If possible, physicians and other researchers try to find short-term measures that might be plausible markers that a drug is working, given a strong enough hypothesis. For the stains, based on what was understood about the role of cholesterol in heart disease, reduced LDL cholesterol was used as a marker. Statins clearly reduce LDL cholesterol, so some statins were approved. At the time, it was a reasonable decision. Now that we have long term data, the picture is more complicated. There is no question that statins have some efficacy at reducing heart attacks, but the important question are how much and for whom? Personally, I think it statins are vastly over-prescribed, and their positive effects on the population as a whole are not as large as was once hoped. However, they clearly make a significant difference for high-risk populations. Statins have always carried a risk of serious side effects. Now that we know more about how much they help and whom they help, they need to be reconsidered. It seems that is happening, though there is a lot or room for debate about the tradeoffs between benefits and absolute/relative risk for different groups of patients. While I think that statins should remain on the list of approved medications, I think that there usage guidelines need to be updated to reflect the current science.

If we have bonus time you could do vegetable oil and poly-unsaturated fats.

Honestly, that question is not one that I have followed, so I really don't have any useful comments to make. It is a case where there is some overlap between the FDA and the USDA, so I wouldn't be surprised if that makes it easier for various players to game the system.

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