The quote is from John Catsimatidis, "a billionaire grocery and oil magnate in New York," who says he's just talked with Trump about this.
Are New Yorkers going to be responsive to Trump's meddling in their local election? Cuomo wants to return to power like that? Seems wrong. And why would we the people of the whole United States want Adams and Sliwa handling whatever it is they'd be given? Let New York be New York. The people responded to Mamdani. That's democracy. Deal with it.
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Trump as Democrat. He still is.
Two candidates running for one office is also democracy. Deal with it.
Why expend any political capital saving NYC from itself?
I didn’t read the entire article, but it seems to be unsourced… all anonymous source. So, who knows? Maybe there’s a bit of info here, or maybe it’s just fabricated Fake News.
I’ve always wished for a “None of the Above” option on the ballot
why didn't catsimandis run, if he was so concerned about the city, yeah its the Times so it's probably fake news,
A huge fall in NY real estate values would cause national problems, in retirement funds etc. There will be national consequences from local politics. Maybe NY shouldnt have been so nationally (or internationally) consequential, but whats done is done. It will unwind itself in time but its going to hurt.
Last poll was:
Mandingo 37%
Cuomo 25%
Adams 11%
Silwa 17%
Ridiculous to think all of Adams votes and Silwa votes will go to Zoron. A 50-50 split gets Mandingo to 51 percent. If Cuomo could get 20 of 28 percentage points going to Adams/Silwa he'd tie Mandigo at 45 percent.
And then there are the undecided. A wild card.
Let New York be New York. The people responded to Mamdani. That's democracy. Deal with it.
How is it Democracy if Mamdani wins with 35% of the vote because the 65% who don't like him had their votes divided by too many candidates? If New York had a run-off system, I would agree, but it doesn't.
Is this horse-trading unseemly? Yes. And if it were any but a handful of major cities, I'd say let the chips fall where they may, but it is New York City, the premier city in the US, arguably the world. It is too important to allow 35% to pick a radical nutter.
Huh? The People(TM) responded? Less than half a million people voted Mamdani as their first choice in the Democrat primary which is only open to registered Democrats. As a comparison, Adams got 745,000 votes in 2021 in one of the lowest turnout elections (20%) for NYC mayor in three decades.
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That's democracy.
It's an interesting bit of trivia, but Hitler never won the support of a majority of the German people. All the people running against Hitler in 1932 -- the anti-Hitler vote -- received way more votes than Hitler did. Hitler went to power after capturing only a plurality of the vote. And there were no more elections after that.
Hitler was never democratically elected. So I say, Hitler was never popular in Germany. That was always a facade. That's why the Germans had to shoot propaganda films with adoring crowds. Because most Germans voted against him in 1932, and Hitler knew it.
I applaud any and all attempts to turn the mayor's race into a 2-person contest. Because Mamdami is deeply unpopular in New York, and anywhere else the Commie wants to run.
There are large numbers of people, especially in New York, who will do the opposite of whatever Trump says, and Trump knows this.
Way too much national attention focused on this local race. I hope the commie wins and NYC falls into an abyss.
Adams objected to the illegal alien influx and Biden punished him with a lawfare prosecution. Trump rescued Adams from this prosecution. But it was the rescue and not the lawfare that the Democrats and their media mischaracterized as corrupt. This malicious inversion of reality paved the way for Mamdani. Since I have to live in New York, I would be very grateful to Trump or anyone else who used his political power to put things right and avert the election of that communist creep.
Democracy = two foxes and a chicken voting on what to have for lunch. Time to re-think a few things, before it's too late.
Btw, AARP has Mandigo at 42 percent. Cuomo at 23. RCP shows the average at 38-23 Mandigo vs. Cuomo with Silwa/Adams at 28.
Shocked at how low Adams is. Assume his support is mostly from black voters.
NYC is "ranked voting" and an invitation for fraud and abuse. If Silwa/Adams drop out, Cuomo could win with 40 percent just by being everyone's 2nd choice.
Dumbest boomer comment I just read: "I don't care how they vote, I just want Coumo to win".
In Texas, if no one gets a majority, we have run off elections between the two top vote getters. Other states should have the same. That solves the problem of having a crackpot win an election.
who lets the Italics in, it really is striking how stupid the Gotham electorate is, if the polls are accurate,
but then again other candidates could have won,
Mamdani got about 450,000 votes in the Democratic primary out of a population in NYC of about 8.1 million of which about 5 million are registered voters and about 3.3 million registered Democrats. IN New York's closed primary system only registed Democrats can vote in the Democrat primary. Having won the Democrat Party line Mamdani is all but guaranteed victory.
Some democracy.
what Tim Maguire said.
I will add -
Stratagizing to help stop mandingo (I like that) is just fine.
Perhaps Trump should stay out of it - but Adams and Silva should drop out.
I'd prefer Cuomo Drop out - but the white racist mafia left slimed Adams -- and the coo-coo base bought it.
That's democracy. Deal with it.
Tell that to all the district judges who would be king.
This problem of stranded real estate assets in unreliable polities in fairly common. San Francisco and Chicago are recent cases where lots of money has been lost in fact, if not yet fully realized in acknowledged losses. But NY will be an order of magnitude larger.
I know a few good people who still love up in Gotham,
regretably they suffer because of the foolishness of the rest,
Trump is not meddling -- he is a New Yorker and was the most iconic New Yorker when Trump Tower was new. This is his hometown and home election.
it shouldn't be this easy to destroy a city, but apparently it is,
of course who benefits if there is a firesale, blackrock will pick up the properties for a song,
I don't see anything unseemly about convincing one or more of the candidates to quit the race to improve the chances to defeat Mamdani. The current situation is no different than the typical Presidential primary where one or more candidates concludes they have no possible chance of winning and allows any of their supporters who have not yet voted to pick from remaining stronger candidates. If you were talking about a situation where a group was trying to induce all but one candidate to drop out (such as the 2020 Democrat coronation of Joe Biden) you might have an argument that the situation was an attempt to thwart democracy. Coalition candidates are democracy in action as well. Deal with it.
Buwaya, I was ready to argue with your first comment by making the observation in your second. When a large NYC office building sells for $1, there is already a major valuation problem. Your next comment of "not fully realized in acknowledged losses" is the looming crisis. It is quite amazing the extent to which it has been papered over for five years now.
Begley at 1:34 FTW. Gooderer and harderer.
The people responded to Mamdani. That's democracy. Deal with it.
The founders never envisioned the majority ruling over everyone.
This is the laziness and apathy that has caused the fall of every major empire in history.
There were always intended limits on the power of the majority. The problem with people like Mamdani is he does not respect those limits.
I want New York to suffer under Mamdani and have a limited number of people in New York provide the example of why we should never allow these people to have power. But this is admittedly selfish.
But it is incumbent on the leaders in our society to do better than democracy because we have a better model of governance. Any good person should want the best for the people of New York and that means fighting against an easily predictable disaster that electing Mamdani will cause.
People like Mamdani will gain power every now and then. That doesn’t mean we should not try to minimize the number of times it happens.
This is just to wake NYer's up. Only a tiny fraction of voters turn out for the mayoral election. This will motivate people to get out to vote and defeat Mamdani organically.
"The founders never envisioned the majority ruling over everyone."
LOL. Most Mayors were elected by majority vote in 1789
Forget it, Althouse. It's New York.
* This line does not work without precise punctuation.
People who matter are finally home from the Hamptons and its time to get serious.
This problem of stranded real estate assets in unreliable polities in fairly common. San Francisco and Chicago are recent cases where lots of money has been lost in fact, if not yet fully realized in acknowledged losses. But NY will be an order of magnitude larger.
The one that should be especially worrisome is Illinois. The ludicrously lavish pensions that have been promised to the government employee unions are going to push their property taxes, which are already the highest in the country, to astronomically confiscatory levels. Even now 80 percent of property taxes collected there are spent on government pensions, and it will very soon exceed 100 percent as the foolish promises made in the 80s and 90s come home to roost.
Eventually underwater homeowners who are being taxed more than their mortgage payments are going to walk away and flip that fat idiot Pritzker the keys as they point the U-Haul at Texas.
"Cuomo wants to return to power like that? Seems wrong."
Earth to Ann: You're reaching escape velocity -- time to head back to terra firma. And when you land, don't be so concerned that politics is about to break out big time in connection with an election -- it happens even in places like Madison.
Cuomo wants to win, while Mamdani seem stuck at about 40% of the vote. Adams and Sliwa would like to get something for themselves out of it as well. So, it's not hard to see how an understanding among Cuomo, Adams and Sliwa could be arranged, perhaps with a little help from Trump.
Mamdani definitely wins if the race is a five-way choice, a fact everyone understands. Because Mamdani is such a toxic anti-Semite and overall naive lefty nut, there is plenty of room with the other 60% who've never warmed up to him to pull this out, even if that still remains in the long-shot category.
But the race has already started shrinking -- Jim Walden (the independent, good-govt candidate and former AUSA) dropped out yesterday (he stood to get 3-5% of the vote), and there's lots of chatter in NYC that Adams (now polling at about 10%) will be next. Cuomo has been polling in the low-mid 20% range, and still has lots of support in the black community (they've never shown much interest in Mandani). The Republican candidate usually gets at least 15-20% citywide (with a lot coming from Staten Island).
So, while Mamdani is the darling of the very lefty, Manhattan-cum-Park Slope crowd -- the same demo that likes AOC -- he's never made the sale to the blue collar and lower mid range of NYC voters. Lots of them are concerned about what he plans to do to the schools -- basically, the worst of deBlasio's plans but on steriods, meaning trying to get rid of advanced/enriched programs because of Equity/Diversity. Equity apparently means mediocrity forever -- the teachers' union is OK with that but parents, especially East/South Asians in Queens and Brooklyn, really hate it (and they were the main and very vocal opponents when deBlasio tried the same thing) .
So, stay tuned. Mamdani is still likely to be the next mayor, but there are lots of moves going on trying to prevent that. Wish them luck. I do.
one certainly hopes so, now I don't want Mamdani to win, because it will encourage others, did we not see what Ocasio Cortez wrought, along with her seed pods,
It’s Coming. It’s Bad. And it's taking the form of city-run grocery stores.
the form of the Destroyer, not as cute as the Stay Puft Marsh mallow man,
The people of NY are very opposed to outsiders meddling in their elections. Just think what they would do, for example, if the wife (born in Chicago) of a President from say Arkansas was decided by the powers of Washington to become NY’s Senator, despite neither the President nor his wife ever living in NY.
that would never happen, sarc,
First of all, anybody that believes a poll in the runup to an important election is a fool that should have learned their lesson over the past 15 years. Polls are influencing campaigns, nothing more, but quite sophisticated now. They are not accurate purveyors, they are one of the many tools that parties have for placing their orders.
Trump is sharpening the knife edge that New Yorkers will have to tread when they cast a vote. Adams out, because Trump offered him a better deal? So in revenge, what - you vote for the antisemitic, silk-purse Limousine commie, instead of the pol with Coumo's experience? A pre-announced economic disaster versus the steady, reliable economic Party Machine hand, because you're mad at Trump?
Delicious.
@Achilles: "The founders never envisioned the majority ruling over everyone."
This creepy stuff is, however, the norm for New York. See the Democrat's political machine of Tammany Hall from 1789 to 1967:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
Why would locals want someone meddling in their election? Ask AOC and Bernie on their "Oligarch Tour". Ask any number of Democrat poohbahs--Obama I'm looking at you--who show up and endorse this candidate or that or tell you how to vote? It's the American Way! Of course the voters are free to ignore those idiots and usually do just that. My own state governor (not that he hangs around to govern much) flits all over the country getting involved in this issue or that. I'd say "You go Brylcreem Boy!" but like a very bad penny he drops back into Sacramento to do more damage.
If the people of Yew Nork City elect Mamdingle, the people have chosen to learn an extremely painful lesson the hard way.
Regrets? They’ll have a few, lol.
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken
Meddling in elections is what everybody does. Or, you can just kill off the opposition.
https://demstate.com/article/seven-afd-candidates-dead-in-sudden-wave-before-local-elections
As of today it's up to seven, and still no foul play suspected. Three, at least that I have heard of, populist opponents to Macron in France have also decided to self delete. Ain't democracy grand?
You take a risk for "all the marbles". You usually hear "all the tea in China" in a negative sense - I wouldn't do that for all the tea in China. If he's going to use cliches, he needs to use the right one.
As for NYC, I hope they get the mayor they deserve.
"The discussions within Mr. Trump’s orbit about making a potentially audacious intervention date back weeks — and it is unclear if they will ultimately amount to anything."
They would have tied this directly to Trump if it was at all possible. They couldn't. They've got three people who talked to them anonymously about their own spitballing.
or they just made it up, as with much of the Times output,
"Deal with it."
Dealing with democracy's imperfections is as old as democracy itself. Simplifying the people's choice is one method. The original democrats did that banning people, what we call ostracism, a word derived from Attic Greek meaning an oyster, ostrakon, and by metaphorical extension, a potsherd -- a piece of broken crockery that functioned as the history's first secret ballot. A member of the Athenian demos would scratch the name of the one he wanted banned on a potsherd to eliminate him from consideration as one of the slate of possible archons up for election. According to the rules, the demos couldn't elect someone not living in Athens at the time of the hustings, so if you had a four-way split between three unpopular guys and a popular demagog (They had 'em, that's why we have the word.) you'd bannish one or two contenders to help the third. Here's an octrakon bearing a famous name, Themistocles.
Today, we have other means to do the same thing. It happened to the Federalists, and then the Democratic Republicans, and after them the Whigs and the Copperheads. We dealt with it.
Typo alert: The original democrats did that by banning people...
Fully Automated Luxury Communism (FALCO) is a really great name for a chain of NYC-owned and operated grocery stores. I hear they're planning Erewhon quality at Aldi's prices lol. Buckle up Butterfields!
There are other typos... When am I going to learn copy/paste from a real text editor?
Everything Trump is purportedly doing is also part of politics, deal with it.
@Quaestor: "When am I going to learn copy/paste from a real text editor?"
The recent generation of software auto-correct can be lethal. Various apps predict and insert several words, but the predictions often make no sense. In the old days, they'd only guess one word.
The Socialist will win no matter what, is my opinion.
I respect our hostess. However, I wonder if she felt the same when NJ twice pulled a switcheroo (one for gov race...gay guy, and once for a senate race, the crook).
This sort of "cordon sanitaire" strategy might work for an election or two, as it has done in Germany and France with the AfD and RN/FN. But it looks like it's on the verge of backfiring catastrophically on the Europeans, and there's no reason to think it will be any more effective long term against crazy leftists in the US. Let the chips fall where they may.
"Let New York be New York."
"Ford to City: Drop Dead" Works for me.
+1 Belfegor
The Democrats earned Donald Trump by trying to foist Hillary Clinton on us. I threw up in my throat a little bit in 2016 when I voted for Trump, but look at the choice! Then of course after clearing the decks for loser Hillary, they then did it again and cleared the decks of all opposition to Joe Biden, whereas the Republicans fought it out publicly.
Remember when they cleared out all of Joe Biden's opponents in the primary except for one, Warren, and they kept her in one more race, so that Bernie Sanders would not get her votes, which he would have, then after that race, and only then, once Sanders was gut shot, did she drop out.
Letsee... NYT hearsay about Trump???
Hmm.
No Sale.
Better to give Sliwa the job and Cuomo an indictment ...
But if Cuomo is leading among Mamdani's challengers, I guess he's going to be the one to stay in ...
Probably under the theory that he's devious, cunning, and Machiavellian enough to actually run the city ...
Nice guys finish last.
RCOCEAN II said...
"The founders never envisioned the majority ruling over everyone."
LOL. Most Mayors were elected by majority vote in 1789
And most mayors understood that their job was to keep the police paid and the garbage cleaned up.
They never thought their job was to take money from citizens and give it to people sleeping in tents on the sidewalks who snuck over the border illegally.
If I were a New Yorker, I would very much not want the crazy guy installed as mayor on a split vote. Why does NYC not have runoff elections?
As I mentioned above, and its probably necessary to repeat -
The economic consequences of this election will be national and international. It will affect asset classes held by all sorts of heavily subscribed private and public funds, directly or indirectly (REITs for instance) as well as companies whose stock is in mutual funds and etc. also held in those funds. NY assets are important, unlike anywhere on earth probably.
There are many millions outside of NY with a significant stake in the outcome.
Unfortunate consequences of this election will not be limited to the residents of NYC.
Catsimatidis owns one of the big talk radio stations in the city and is a big political player, so I wouldn't necessarily assume Trump was orchestrating this, though he'd have to be brought into the operation to offer federal positions.
“The people responded to Mamdani. That's democracy. Deal with it.”
We all have a stake in NYC…we like to visit sometimes for the shows and museums and stuff. We’d rather not have it turn into a sewer, and fuck what the local morons want. If Trump can prevent that, good for him. The people responded to Trump. That’s democracy too. Deal with it.
I didn’t read the entire article, but it seems to be unsourced… all anonymous source.
I haven't read the NYT since Bush II, but it (all 17 years) seems to be unsourced... all anonymous sources. FIFY.
It is important to remember that Mamdani is running to be mayor of Trump's long-time home town, where Trump has a considerable amount of valuable real estate - this is likely as much personal as it is political.
Imagine a New York run by conservatives, but still full of liberals making the city the beautiful metropolis it occasionally has been. New York is loved for these short periods in history when it had the best of both worlds. That's the New York people remember fondly but rarely see.
Dumbest boomer comment I just read: "I don't care how they vote, I just want Coumo to win".
That is someone who knows more about the counting of votes than you do...
If you were talking about a situation where a group was trying to induce all but one candidate to drop out (such as the 2020 Democrat coronation of Joe Biden) you might have an argument that the situation was an attempt to thwart democracy.
Or in 2024, when they induced the actual, one candidate to drop out for a dimwit who has never won anything?
For all that NY has done to mess with Trump and the entire US democracy in the last election; I can't say I care if they get screwed over. However, I do think them getting screwed over by their own stupidity is even better than Trump messing with them. Trump just needs to make sure they live with the poor decisions New Yorkers make in their life.
it was a great city, one of the original capitals of the 13 colonies if memory serves, one would hate it to fall to a warlord like mamdani, Trump is the most clear person on these matters if he doesn't reference it, it's not happening,
“All the tea in China” will be the only product available in Mamdani’s government grocery stores: the ChiComs will ship it in support of their fellow traveler. RR, JSM
"Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake" is good advice to Trump here. Let the Democrats install Mamdani.
Tom:
"I haven't read the NYT since Bush II, but it (all 17 years) seems to be unsourced... all anonymous sources."
For low level brains, even the most basic logic is out of reach.
yeah but it's like getting the mogwais wet then feeding them after midnight, no good comes from this,
"Don't blame me, I vote for Gozer."
NYC finances are dependent on a small number of mega rich taxpayers, all of whom have the means to move out if they want to. As NYC has become rougher, there is a real estate boom in high end properties in Greenwich, CT where multi-million dollar houses are sold in days for more than the asking price. If Mamajama gets elected this outward bound push will only increase.
"NYC finances are dependent on a small number of mega rich taxpayers, all of whom have the means to move out if they want to"
Let 'em move out then. Who cares? If they're so greedy that paying a few more taxes on their Gazillions make them cry at night - good riddeance. Plenty of peeps in NYC make lots of money.
I think it was kevin o'leary who pointed out that finance doesnt have to anchored to Gotham, it can be run from anywhere,
I remember I dubbed Wilhelm, Mayor Bane after the villain in the Dark Knight Rises, I think Mamdani fits that sobriquet better
If New York City is destroyed, it will take New Jersey and beyond with it — a real ripple effect. I see nothing wrong with strategizing to give another candidate the best opportunity to win. As for Zohran Mamdani, I can’t imagine why anyone would vote for an inexperienced 33-year-old to run NYC, let alone one who’s a clueless socialist. But here we are. I hope all but the strongest candidate against him drop out.
"But it was the rescue and not the lawfare that the Democrats and their media mischaracterized as corrupt."
What about all the money they handed out to local reporters? Have you considered the possibility that all the candidates are corrupt?
I'm hoping that NYC (and its voters) get what they deserve. Nothing more, nothing less.
it was as legit as the netanyahu prosecution, meaning not,
narciso: " finance doesnt have to anchored to Gotham, it can be run from anywhere,"
They will fiercely resist moving, and the NY politicians know why. The market makers of Wall Street set up an electronic system with ultra-fast computers to facilitate insider high-speed trading. This serves to front run the market as they buy or sell with any slight change in direction. They harvest a tiny amount of money with each trade, but do it so often that they skim off a fortune. The market insiders must be all together because the limits of the speed of light makes every inch count for fast trading.
Thank the convicted criminal Bernie Madoff, Michael Bloomberg, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer for setting up and ensuring the continuation of this system. Bloomberg made his fortune by leasing high speed computer terminals a zillion traders. Nancy's husband turned out to be a super genius investor for some reason too...
The investing technology industry has achieved hegemonic control over the US economy and "donates" to politicians to make sure the money keeps flowing. Bloomberg also ran fro President. This setup is more detrimental to more people than any potential Magnificent 7 tech monopoly.
https://theweek.com/articles/493238/wall-streets-secret-advantage-highspeed-trading
If New Yorkers want to shit their nest, let them.
"If New Yorkers want to shit their nest, let them."
That'd be okay but everybody knows when they do, they're going to want the rest of the country to help pay to clean it up.
When lights go out in NYC Atlas Shrugged prophecy how much extra TWHrs for national grid?
Remind me how all of the democrats dropped out en mass to let Biden win the democrat nomination. Quit worrying about how it looks, just win. The democrats are an existential threat to this country. They must not gain power.
Let the Democrats install Mamdani.
I can’t agree with Yancy here. Many Trump assets would be at risk and lose value. He unfortunately has a very personal stake in the city’s survival.
Sorry. I meant Yancey.
I still remember how quickly NYC changed for the better when Giuliani was elected and cleaned things up. Apparently, not enough people who live there do.
narciso said...
"of course who benefits if there is a firesale, blackrock will pick up the properties for a song,"
There is a problem with this tact. There is a reason that high rise office space is selling cheap. If and until the political climate changes to the point where landlords are no longer being punished for being landlords then nobody is going to want those properties no matter what the price.
Blackrock ended up being the bagholder for a bunch of offices that became upside down money pits with NY's COVID-era remote work. Many 2nd and 3rd tier offices are either empty or being converted to housing (if cost effective).
Ladies and Gentleman, may I present Kamala Harris. She is the candidate we PICKED for you to run in the 2024 Presidential race.
I'm beginning to wholeheartedly believe that some Democrats have very short political memories and possibly acute cognitive disabilities.
I looked on the menu of options, and "just dealing with it" was the only thing left.
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