Said UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, quoted in "Ukraine-Russia latest: Putin ‘should not be rewarded’, Zelensky says/Ukrainian leader has denounced ‘cynical’ Russian attacks before his meeting with Trump in Washington, which have killed at least nine" (London Times).
Let that stand in for all the many headlines I'm seeing this morning about the White House meeting today. It's more optimistic than most. There are reasons to go negative before the meeting, but I think it's bad form.
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Watching from afar at the way England treats its own citizens and witnessing them protect a bunch of pedophile rapists, I hope they do put boots on the ground and I hope Russia grinds them into a red, pulpy mist.
Putin should stand strong against this England.
“more optimistic than most”
"Boots on the ground," eh? I remember a few months ago when the EU was all "Fuck Trump we're going to supply Ukraine with materiel and soldiers!" Yet they managed to raise a pittance compared to what we were spending and they sent not one boot to the ground in Ukraine.
Now that peace talks are at hand the big talking Euros come crashing ashore again, claiming they are "ready." My gut reaction is where the fuck have you Euros been the whole time? Why are you still buying Russian gas?
The status quo was fine for most of these schleps.
But blessed are the peacemakers…
These once tight-knit friends all hate one another and are doomed to stay in each other's lives out of habit.
Funny to see Keir Starmer, the man best known at this point for jailing older women and men in his country for merely holding up signs questioning his immigration policies, taking a strong stand against the Russians.
The man who has his police knock at the door of someone's home who made a comment on X.
The Russians know who Keir Starmer is just as sure as I do. They do not fear Kier Starmer or his social media security troops.
And our media is beside themselves finding massive negatives where they do not exist for everything Trump is doing. And...frankly, he's doing more than any of the last 10 Presidents combined. Unless you think Obamacare was a big f*****g deal. As of today, how big a deal do you think it really was?
it looks like As of January 1, 2025, the British Army consists of 108,413 personnel. This includes 73,847 regular full-time personnel.
so, IF the brits put their ENTIRE full time force (men, women, etc) into the Ukraine.. All 73 thousand of them..
How much of a difference would That make?
(the Ukraine admits that itAlready had about 43 thousand KIA)
Thanks, Iman. Fixed.
"It is obviously welcome that President Trump has paved the way for vital US security guarantees....”
And what “security guarantees” (plural!?!) ’would those be? They’d best not involve American boots on the ground or aircraft where they could be shot down or naval vessels sailing in harm’s way. Between Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam we, the US taxpayers, have had it.
There are reasons to go negative before the meeting, but I think it's bad form.
Quite right, Professor. Thank you.
"IF the brits put their ENTIRE full time force (men, women, etc) into the Ukraine.. All 73 thousand of them..
How much of a difference would That make?
It would reduce the casualties in London by 73,000 when Putin responds by putting a nuclear bomb up the UK's arse.
If any country ... say China ... put 73,000 of their troops in say Portland and began ramping up for a full-scale assault on the United States ... is there anyone among you who wouldn't be calling for the annihilation of China, using our nuclear weapons?
It's retarded for people to even suggest that the UK is going to put a single soldier on Russian soil. The UK was utterly defeated in World War II by little old Germany firing a few rockets at them.
Except for American intervention, they'd all be eating beets for dinner instead of fish & chips.
FormerLawClerk?
are you not able to read English?
here.. I'll type S L O W E R F O R Y O U
Britain no longer even HAS an Army..
Their ENTIRE full time force is less than 73,000 people.
(MOST of which are NOT fighters)
They can NOT make ANY affect on the war in the Ukraine..
NOT EVEN, if they sent their ENTIRE army there..
get it? do you want me to translate it into some OTHER language?
"The UK was utterly defeated in World War II by little old Germany firing a few rockets at them."
Putting this in Second World War terms, FLC fires one of those defective circle-back Mark XIV torpedoes.
Starmer states his government's commitment to the Religion of Peace.
How many Britain’s force prepared for combat vs the ones there for virtue signaling?
"We are ready to put UK boots on the ground in part to reassure Ukrainians but in part to secure safe skies, safe seas and regenerate Ukraine’s armed forces."
I am betting that the Brits who would be put into Ukraine are a lot less enthusiastic than Starmer is. But Starmer is happy to reduce the number of native military age males in Britain for sure. His goal is to replace the Native population so why not kill some of his army off.
All of these people are talking out of their ass. They will not go to war with Russia unless the US is on their side.
Europe's only goal here is to have the US conquer Russia for them.
War is the health of the State and the Ukraine is the best spa for the sick men of Europe.
We should be liberating the British People from their rulers before we start dying to keep a bunch of corrupt Oligarchs who cancelled elections in charge of Ukraine.
Any aid or security guarantees to Ukraine should only take affect after free fair elections.
We should be liberating the British People from their rulers before we start dying to keep a bunch of corrupt Oligarchs who cancelled elections in charge of Ukraine.
The EU is dying...
The EU is Jonestown.
I agree there’s value in waiting to see what the talks produce before poisoning the well. But optimism alone can’t erase what we’ve already seen: an Alaska summit heavy on theatrics that gave Putin a stage without delivering even a ceasefire, and a president who not long ago told Zelenskyy he maybe shouldn’t have “started” the war to begin with and should have cut a deal. That history shapes how Ukrainians and many Europeans are hearing these new promises of peace.
If Trump can turn his showmanship into a deal that truly stops the killing without rewarding aggression, that would be worth celebrating.
Ronald J. Ward said...
If Trump can turn his showmanship into a deal that truly stops the killing without rewarding aggression, that would be worth celebrating.
The talking points are out.
The US Deep State wants to make sure that they never have to accept their responsibility for starting this war.
Joe Biden and Boris Johnson started this war when they told Zelenksy not to sign the Mingsk accords and Kamala Harris talked about Ukraine joining NATO.
Now that Ronald and his Deep State rulers have lost the war they started they demand that Trump achieve the impossible save Ukrainian territorial sovereignty. Otherwise Trump "failed." It is disgusting.
These people are like Ronald are monstrous pieces of shit who are absolutely dishonest and terrible people. They have sacrificed a generation of Ukrainian men in their desperate quest to expand NATO to the Pacific Ocean so Europe can steal Russian natural resources.
There is nothing in his post that is good faith. He is a terrible person.
Achilles is a tremendous piece of shit. He is absolutely on the side of the side of the Russian invaders. Look to God, you horrible excuse for a man, repent, ask forgiveness, and perform some bloody public penance.
Britain isnt in the EU...
Shaking my head, that the leader of a country at war can be so ridiculous a figurehead, that other countries, not even bordering countries, can't trust him to negotiate a peace settlement all by himself. You know - the guy they've been shoveling billions to, who's been sending in the troops, and then troop reinforcements, and then body bags. That guy. This conflict still doesn't have clear origins and has devolved into tit-for-tat all the way down, and there is still apparently only one person that thinks maybe we oughtta look into putting a stop to it. Amazing. It would appear Europe wants a war in the worst way.
buwaya said...
Achilles is a tremendous piece of shit. He is absolutely on the side of the side of the Russian invaders. Look to God, you horrible excuse for a man, repent, ask forgiveness, and perform some bloody public penance.
I am on the side of the soldiers. I was one. I understand how the men in the Ukrainian and Russian armies feel.
They are fighting and dying for old rich corrupt men in Moscow, Washington DC, London, Kyiv, and Paris.
This war started for stupid reasons. The corrupt leadership in Kyiv who has since cancelled elections listened to Biden Wormtongue and talked about joining NATO knowing what this would do.
Really buwaya you have always been a decent and thoughtful person.
But at this point if you have any honor you need to go join the Ukrainian Army and fight Russia or stfu.
Aggie said...
Shaking my head, that the leader of a country at war can be so ridiculous a figurehead, that other countries, not even bordering countries, can't trust him to negotiate a peace settlement all by himself. You know - the guy they've been shoveling billions to, who's been sending in the troops, and then troop reinforcements, and then body bags.
Joe Biden got his 10%. Ukraine was a money laundering operation and that is a big part of what this war is about.
Trump was impeached for threatening this Rice Bowl. All of the leaders in Europe are in on this corruption too plus the spoils of Russian territory.
Britain can put about a brigade (6000 thereabouts) and two squadrons of Eurofighters in or near Ukraine on a permanent basis. The rest of NATO can do maybe 50,000 or so on a permanent basis. Much more after moving troops/mobilization. Because of the nature of Air Forces, those are generally in a better state of readiness, and non-US NATO already has a large overmatch vs the Russian AF, which can be moved into range probably in a few days. Poland and Romania have been building air facilities.
Russia does not want to risk a war with non-US NATO. The Russians should not poke that bear.
As for the Americans - its clear its time to expel you creeps from NATO. You are all just a gang of deliberately clueless, cruel fools. All the American men of knowledge and honor are dead. I have lived too long.
Aggie said...
This conflict still doesn't have clear origins and has devolved into tit-for-tat all the way down, and there is still apparently only one person that thinks maybe we oughtta look into putting a stop to it. Amazing. It would appear Europe wants a war in the worst way.
This war started the same way all wars start. Old rich men saw something they wanted in another country and have sent young men to fight for it.
Europe just got kicked out of the Sahel in Africa. Their economy has been hollow for decades and particularly France was dependent on cheap uranium and oil from Africa.
Europe is going to implode and the globalist rulers will fall. The EU will cease to exist because the majority of people do not like imperialist far away rulers who import barbarians.
The rulers of Europe need this war to hold on to their power. They need the US and Russia to fight.
It is necessary for decent and thoughful persons to back Ukraine. That is the definition of "decent and thoughtful" in this case. You arent. You have taken your hate of your domestic political opponents and applied it to innocent people on the other side of the world. How that happened I dont know, but it is disgusting.
Starmer is a leftist authoritarian weasel and a pile of excrement.
Starmer says: "The quicker YOU can bring about an end to the conflict and translate that into a lasting peace the better. "
Excuse us?
What's this "YOU" shit, buddy?
While Starmer is destroying his nation with mass illegal immigration and mass crime - he expects TRUMP to clean up his backyard?
Absent a collapse on either home front, how does this end?Russia isn't going to conquer Ukraine. Ukraine isn't going to get its territory back. Both countries appear willing to ruin themselves for goals neither can attain. I don't know if Trump has the solution, but at least he doesn't accept - unlike the EU and UK - that it has to go on like this.
buwaya said...
As for the Americans - its clear its time to expel you creeps from NATO. You are all just a gang of deliberately clueless, cruel fools. All the American men of knowledge and honor are dead. I have lived too long.
We should just be honest about what NATO is.
NATO is the US occupation of Europe because European Nations have a history of conquering and enslaving nations around the world and dragging the entire world into massive catastrophic wars.
When AfD, Reform, and RN take power in their respective countries Europe may start to look like allies again.
Starmer's weasel words prove Europe and especially England - are useless to stop anything. ooo but Big War is OK - just as long as the US is doing the dirty work.
Putin (your old man), wanted something in Ukraine and sent in @200,000 men and 2,000 tanks to get it. Full stop.
There was no war there until that one old man started it.
The rest of your statement is disingenuous responsibility-twisting bullshit.
This thing started under Crook Joe... and Trump must clean it up.
The Afd isnt taking over Germany, ever. Reform will take over if it merges with the conservatives. Their base is too narrow otherwise.
buwaya said...
It is necessary for decent and thoughful persons to back Ukraine. That is the definition of "decent and thoughtful" in this case. You arent. You have taken your hate of your domestic political opponents and applied it to innocent people on the other side of the world. How that happened I dont know, but it is disgusting.
Why should we back Ukraine?
Zelensky is a dictator who cancelled elections and would lose in a massive landslide if elections were held.
All of Zelensky's political opposition is in jail.
Democrats and Ukrainian Oligarchs have stolen billions from US taxpayers in a massive money laundering operation.
Zelensky has said one thing in private to US negotiators and then knifed them in public saying the opposite.
Really any backing for Ukraine only starts when they have an election and they seat non-corrupt leadership as a start.
Do we even need to talk about Zelensky campaigning with Democrats in 2024?
Ukraine needs to have elections before anything happens.
Peachy at 0849 above. I think PM Starmer is using the imperial "you" to invoke the principle here not America per se, or so it seems to me but maybe not.
UK Boots on the ground. So once again the Brits will get us into another world war. They send troops to ukraine, they start fighting the Russians, and then we have to go help them. Again. For the 3rd time. Insane.
The Russians are willing to let Ukraine have security guarantees. OK, but Ukraine will have to accept and sign a agreement relinquishing control over Crimea and the Donbass. Will they do it? I dunno.
Putin has been fighting this war, he calls it as "Special Operation", with one arm tied behind his back. He's had limited objectives from the beginning - and that was his big mistake. The invasion in 2022 should have aimed at overthrowing Zelensky. But it was only to force Zelensky to the negotiating table. And here we are 3.5 years later.
The worst outcome will be a "peace agreement" that is really just a ceasefire, and will result in forever war. Personally, I think the Russians should just keep on fighting and take all of Ukraine east of Dnieper and enforce Regime change on Ukraine. Its the only way to get permenant peace.
buwaya said...
Putin (your old man), wanted something in Ukraine and sent in @200,000 men and 2,000 tanks to get it. Full stop.
There was no war there until that one old man started it.
The rest of your statement is disingenuous responsibility-twisting bullshit.
Ah the Putin puppet bullshit. You are truly lost. Get fucked.
The only rights and principles a person has are the rights they are willing to fight and die for.
If you think Putin is such a threat go sign up to fight or sign up your sons to go fight him.
Until then you are just a warmongering coward who wants other people to fight and die so you feel better about your comfortable life and lack of purpose and principles.
Europe and the Biden Administration thought they could orchestrate a regime change in Russia by forcing Putin's hand. They were willing to sacrifice the people of Ukraine. Lots of money to be made.
I think the plan was to do this when Hillary was elected. Trump's win in 2016 threw a wrench in the plan. It's no coincidence they started pushing the idea that Putin was a huge threat to Europe and to "our democracy".
As soon as Biden took office they pulled out of Afghanistan and got back on schedule with their Ukraine operation. Things didn't go quite the way they hoped in terms of the sanctions against Russia, but they haven't given up. Trump is once again an obstacle with his bothersome peace initiatives.
That's my conspiracy theory.
Deep State Reformer said...
Peachy at 0849 above. I think PM Starmer is using the imperial "you" to invoke the principle here not America per se, or so it seems to me but maybe not.
Starmer is at 13% approval 63% disapproval. This is historically bad.
There are petitions calling for elections signed by hundreds of thousands of people.
Starmer has a clear and obvious motivation to get this war between the US and Russia started. He knows if he deploys troops in a foreign country right now then his only option is martial law which he may be looking forward to.
A single British soldier....and we will see to it that he is killed.
You know, you need to leave behind your domestic politics. You really do. The world does not see Biden this, Trump that, not really. They see the US, and, if you are a foreign government, it is impossible to keep a sane policy if you have to be obsessed with US inside baseball for everything.
Biden and his staff handled this (and a lot else) badly. But they were not the cause of this. Things go on in the world regardless of the US. There are other players and they do things for their own reasons and on their own schedule. There is one man that caused this and keeps it going, and it is Putin.
By this time Bidens failures do not matter in this problem space (the war and its repercussions). US politics is a separate problem space independent of that.
If Britain gets into the war in Ukraine and it turns into a war with Russia, the US is not obligated by the NATO agreement to defend Britain. But we will anyway.
That headline from the London times is poorly written!
What, exactly, has killed nine? The Russian attacks, or Starmer's meeting with Trump in Washington?
Bob Boyd, another idiot. How were "Europe and the Biden Administration" forcing Putins hand? They gave him a massive concession with Nordstream II at the very beginning of 2021, and NATO was moribund, and the 2014 sanctions were falling apart. The German SPD was in charge and in Putins pocket. They were economically sanctioning Poland, where Duda was the one guy taking Putin seriously.
When Putin actually did invade it surprised everyone. This was not a "forced hand" that everyone expected. The one guy who could, and did, move fast was Polands' Duda.
Get fucked sideways Achilles. Your so called service does not armor you from sin and foolishness.
Better check your blood sugar, buwaya.
Zelenskys political opposition is in his parliament, who agreed to form a unity government to prosecute the war. These were in general the blocs represented by Poroshenko and Timoshenko, who generally represent Ukrainian speaking westerners, Zelensky generally represents Russian speaking Easterners. There are a couple of people with pro-Russian leanings but they represented very few votes. Those are not his opposition. Consider Churchills unity government of 1940 as a similar arrangement, Labor, Liberal, Conservative. Churchills opposition was not the fascists of Oswald Mosely, who he jailed.
Iman, my blood sugar is fine. We have monsters here unfortunately.
The whole point of putting UK troops in Ukraine is to act as a tripwire. And then when some of them get killed, to get the USA and the rest of NATO involved.
Once again, the brits are sticking their noses into something that's none of their business and hoping we'll come along and do all the fighting.
Go listen to the Spectator podcasts or to Boris Johnson, these Brits are crazy imperialists. Full of hatred for the Russians (and the krauts). They still think Britiannia rules the waves and british empire still exists. Old habits die hard.
Tommorrow Russia could annex the entire Ukraine and it wouldn't affect anyone in England. Life would actually improve since they'd get cheaper Natural Gas. But y'know, the English love to stir the pot and get involved in wars.
I have good drugs for blood sugar. Current issues are heart function and stroke risk (I just had a stroke and some TIAs). Complicating it is risks of kidney function which I have to watch. I will be in the US next month and will be pissed off again, no doubt, by the condition of SF and LA. Why dont you guys just fix CA, forget about being Putin fanboys.
They see the US, and, if you are a foreign government, it is impossible to keep a sane policy if you have to be obsessed with US inside baseball for everything.
They do have to track US politics and factor them in. It's difficult to trust America and it gets more difficult the further apart the 2 US parties move. But that's the game. The EU has allowed itself to become almost completely dependent on the US for it's security. The US is it's main trading partner, the biggest market for it's goods. They can't ignore US politics and they don't.
The war in Ukraine started in 2013, not 2022 and US meddling had a lot to do with that. Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine speak different languages and have different religions. They were shooting at one another for 9 years before Russia invaded.
In some ways it's like Shia and Suni in Iraq. There's a lot of bad blood. The Suni ruled and oppressed the Shia for a long time. The US came in and changed that. The majority Shia have the upper hand in a democracy. The Suni aren't happy with their share of Iraqi territory because the oil is under Shia land and under Kurdish land, not under Suni land.
I respect your thinking and like to read your comments on many subjects, buwaya. You're obviously a smart guy. I'm surprised you seem to want to see the Ukraine war as a simple, black and white, but that's your prerogative. It seems out of character, though, judging by your commentary in general.
buwaya said: “WhenPutin actually did invade it surprised everyone.”
Didn’t surprise me. First the West booted out the previously elected president of Ukraine, a Putin ally. Then Z was elected, a purported friend of the West. Subsequently the noise started of Ukraine joining NATO, a trip wire for the Vlad …. who then amassed troops at the border. Next Biden approved a small incursion. No surprise what followed, a full invasion.
How could anyone be surprised???
Britain wasnt getting natural gas from Russia. But I suppose Mosely could have said something to Churchill about getting cheaper Mercedes.
This is European problem, not ours.
Everybody, including the Ukrainians, thought Putin was bluffing. Thats why the Ukrainian reserves (other side of the Dneiper) were not mobilized and ready. The regular brigades guarding Crimea were moved out of position (but that was FSB ratfucking).
How were "Europe and the Biden Administration" forcing Putins hand?
If Putin had allowed Ukraine to become part of NATO or part of the EU, he would have been overthrown.
Germany needed the Nordstream II.
Bob Boyd, another idiot.
Love it!
@buwaya. Everyone thought Putin was bluffing. Really??
Amassing thousands Russian troops at the border was what, a parade? Good grief. Was there no intel?
2014 not 2013. A small part of Eastern Ukraine revolted in 2014. The Russian Army helped them kick out the unprepared Ukrainians, the first Russian invasion btw. The bulk of Eastern Ukraine (Kharkiv, Mariupol, etc) stayed in, and voted for Zelensky in 2019. BTW, the new president in 2014, also elected, was Poroshenko, Zelenskys principal opponent in 2019.
buwaya said...
You know, you need to leave behind your domestic politics. You really do. The world does not see Biden this, Trump that, not really.
Maybe the world you travel in is that way. I have found Euros and Scandinavians and English associates very interested in what America was doing, who told me that Bush was "a cowboy" who didn't understand Europe or the world, etc. etc. They laughed at Trump. Zelensky played along with the corrupt Pelosi "investigation" of the perfect phone call because he was laundering money for the Bidens (Joe, Hunter, Jim, Valery) and wanted to stay in good graces with the deep state folks in control.
They have lost control. We do not owe Ukraine anything. Hillary was giving Putin her giant red "reset" button contemporaneously with him entering Crimea and occupying it. What did the USA do then? Where was all this freaking URGENCY then, when the area to defend was smaller and Russia occupied far less land?
Someone upthread put the finer point on this argument. The problem is the two parties have moved farther apart so that promises made by one administration are no longer workable or guaranteed by subsequent admins. Biden made it worse by opposing EVERYTHING Trump had going, INCLUDING AID TO UKRAINE THAT WAS CRITICAL AT THE TIME.
It's not America who let them down. We, Buwaya, have not lost our moral compass. Biden set this motion by sending Putin a signal it was OK to have a "little excursion" and we have been trying to deescalate the situation ever since. We are united in wanting the killing to end. But do not lose sight of the fact that OPOSITTISM — the oppositional defiance disorder the Democrats have embraced in their collective mental illness — brought us to this point.
There was intel that they were massing. The US didnt take it seriously, there was no obvious reaction. Go ask Bidens staff, they were good at being useless.
The Ukrainians themselves didnt react, which is more interesting. They didnt mobilize. Why? Incompetence and FSB "silver bullets"? There was that at the entrances to Crimea. When the Russians crossed the borders there was a mad scramble. Look up the fight for Hostomel Airport, there are some good Youtube videos.
Why dont you guys just fix CA, forget about being Putin fanboys.
Or, "why don't you guys just fix CA, forget about fixing Ukraine". Right?
The Europeans could, today, send troops to fight the Russians in an actual battle. Why haven't they done this if they believe this conflict is of vital interest?
I'll answer my own question- it is always much easier to fight a war with someone else's children.
Did that criminal idiot just promise to send UK troops to Ukraine? Maybe he should send them some Pakis, he's got plenty. Of course, the Russians aren't teen-age white girls, so Pakis wouldn't be much use against them.
"Anarcho-tyranny" was a buzz word a few years back. UKania as a country that will stamp its boots all over the world and not protect its own children at home sounds like a good example.
Note to conspiracy theorists: leave Brigitte Macron alone and start investigating whether Keir Starmer is a trans man.
Actually, if Starmer plans to provoke Putin into nuking London, I can see some upside there. Just don't involve us.
The Biden Ukraine money (Burisima) started during the Poroshenko regime in 2014. It was Poroshenko that Biden threatened in 2015 with withholding aid, as Poroshenko had a prosecutor investigating this.
Start with the House Oversight Committee timeline. Zelensky came in long after all this.
Mike MJB wolf @ 10:09 -
Excellent reminders.
buwaya said...
Get fucked sideways Achilles. Your so called service does not armor you from sin and foolishness.
I went to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. I trained and fought and knew people one day then stood in Hat and Boot formation with them the next day in both countries.
Both times those men who died were betrayed and their deaths were meaningless.
Obama pulled out of Iraq and gave it to Iran and ISIS. Biden pulled out of Afghanistan and gave it to the Taliban. In both wars we were restrained from killing our enemies. In the end our sacrifices meant nothing. Nothing changed except we died and rich people in DC got richer.
Millions of men are dying in Ukraine. Russian and Ukrainian soldiers are being sacrificed for lines on a map. And nothing is going to change. Meanwhile you support the corruption and theft of US taxpayer dollars.
In 10 years the rich men who started this war will still be rich and the soldiers will still be dead.
You don’t believe a single word you are saying. You need to go look in a mirror and find your soul.
“UK boots on the ground” in Ukraine? How stupid is this man? Russia, which hasn’t overcome Ukraine is a threat to the UK? Guess who would be going to Ukraine and who would be staying behind to set up Sharia courts.
buwaya said...
The Biden Ukraine money (Burisima) started during the Poroshenko regime in 2014. It was Poroshenko that Biden threatened in 2015 with withholding aid, as Poroshenko had a prosecutor investigating this.
Start with the House Oversight Committee timeline. Zelensky came in long after all this.
And Zelensky participated in the money laundering scheme and he campaigned with Democrats.
Yes, maybe the world will be better off if the US just goes home. The US is just too broken and useless these days. And that is because Americans are broken and useless. As we see here, Achilles, Yancey Ward, Bob Boyd. Broken brains, broken souls. The great men are dead. I knew many, all gone.
Achilles, repent, ask forgiveness, perform penance.
"There is one man that caused this and keeps it going, and it is Putin."
Buwaya, if this war can be hung on one person, that would be Victoria Nuland. But she had plenty of help. What this war is about is NATO creeping right up to Putin's front door. Why? Oh, just 'cuz. There's money in it, and he can't stop us. Except, it turned out he could stop them, and he did. And now he occupies Eastern Ukraine, and he isn't going to give it back.
"Guess who would be going to Ukraine and who would be staying behind to set up Sharia courts."
It is rather interesting that the one consistent principle all of these Euro-rats adhere to is "Down With Whitey". Whether they're Russian, Ukrainian, German, Polish, French or British, they're all white Christians, and the Euro-rats want them all dead.
The US is just too broken and useless these days. And that is because Americans are broken and useless.
Bankrupt aristocrats have always sneered at prosperous tradesmen.
buwaya said...
Achilles, repent, ask forgiveness, perform penance.
Stop being a coward and asking for other men to die for your pride.
People who want this war to continue:
Putin
Starmer
Zelensky
buwaya
People who want this war to end:
The men sitting in a trench with drones dropping grenades on them and everyone who sympathizes with them.
The US are the "bankrupt aristocrats". On the scale of fortunes based on asset value the US takes the cake. Over here we are just hardworking tradesmen (Ok, me I'm a retired tradesman).
2014 was about the EU creeping up to Putins front door, not NATO. That was the reason for the mess, Putin paid off Yanukovych to flip on the EU (campaigning for the EU WAS his political program).
Now Starmer's Left Fascist regime is sending censorship threats to 4Chan, an online discussion board with no UK operations. Maybe he's planning on softening us up for some Paki rapists.
Why isn’t Spain involved in this discussion? Don’t they have an interest? Or do they thrive on the critique, scorn shat out from a lofty perch?
Hmm. I'm a white Christian, and nobody here (Bilbao) wants me dead. Thats not the case in San Francisco. Maybe you should fix that and not make stupid assumptions about Europe?
I ask you again, Buwaya:
The Europeans could, today, send troops to fight the Russians in an actual battle. Why haven't they done this if they believe this conflict is of vital interest?
“Achilles is a tremendous piece of shit. He is absolutely on the side of the side of the Russian invaders. Look to God, you horrible excuse for a man, repent, ask forgiveness, and perform some bloody public penance.”
Achilles probably thinks he’s smarter than God himself.
Whenever I see someone demand repentance, I am reminded of the “take the plank out of your eye first”.
"2014 was about the EU creeping up to Putins front door, not NATO."
Victoria Nuland did not work for the EU, when she stage-managed the Ukrainian "Color Revolution". In fact, she rather famously said "Fuck the EU". But I'm glad we are at least agreed that Putin didn't start this.
None of the usual lefties? What… Talking Point Central is asleep at teh Wheel?
This should not be registered as a complaint.
I have a lofty perch ? I spent 40 years in the US, part of it building weapon systems, most of it on your energy infrastructure. So I am here as an interested party with deep, broad, and intimate knowledge of the US.
Inga you may want to sit this one out. It’s above your pay grade.
Ugh. The idiot showed up in a T-shirt again. Sorry world: six more weeks of war.
"I'm a white Christian, and nobody here (Bilbao) wants me dead."
Oh, really? You pretty sure about that? Maybe you should check in with these guys. I'm guessing they'd be happy to kill you and any sons you might have. They have other uses for your daughters.
“When they said repent repent
I wonder what they meant”
Putin did start this. He had been harassing Ukraine for years. He even poisoned a President of Ukraine (Yuschenko) in 2004. Apparently because he ran against Putins pet Yanukovych.
The 2013-2014 mess began because just as the EU finally said yes to Ukraine Yanukovych turned and cut it off. This was very unpopular. Whatever Nuland said, she was wrong. Those people arent very smart.
Yanukoych removed, Putin invaded, taking Crimea and fomenting a revolt in Donets and Luhansk. Using the famous "little green men".
Here, buwaya. This European can help you out.
“Everybody, including the Ukrainians, thought Putin was bluffing. Thats why the Ukrainian reserves (other side of the Dneiper) were not mobilized and ready.”
This is correct, I distinctly remember this happening and being surprised they didn’t take US intelligence they were being given more seriously.
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Perhaps King Felipe can straighten things out.
You’re either in and actively (financially) supporting the pushback against Russian aggression or you’re out… like Spain.
Everything else is just running your piehole and blather.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
"As for the Americans - its clear its time to expel you creeps from NATO."
Absolutely The BEST idea i've heard expressed here!
Europe NEEDS to tell US to get out..
If they won't, We Need to expel ourselves from NATO!
today!
of course, the Same person that just DEMANDED that the US be expelled from NATO, said..
"It is necessary for decent and thoughful persons to back Ukraine. That is the definition of "decent and thoughtful""
See how "Logic" works?
it is necessary for YOU to do want *i* Want..
because THAT is The Definition of "necessary"
got to give the guy credit; he's Upfront about his narcissistic egotism
Inga said...
“Everybody, including the Ukrainians, thought Putin was bluffing. Thats why the Ukrainian reserves (other side of the Dneiper) were not mobilized and ready.”
This is correct, I distinctly remember this happening and being surprised they didn’t take US intelligence they were being given more seriously.
Only retards were surprised when Russia invaded Ukraine.
Never thought I'd see the day when Buwaya would be added to the Scroll List. But here we are.
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It seems to me I have heard and read that the Russians would take direct action from any European country or the US against Russia as a declaration of war against Russia. Sounds like a red line in the sand. So if Starmer gets his knickers in a complete bunch and actually puts British troops on the ground and engages in the conflict, would the Russians do what they have said they will do and drop a few thousand megatons on Europe in general and Britain in particular?
Won't it be fun to watch and use the catch word 'unexpectedly' a lot before the mushroom clouds sprout in your immediate area?
“Everybody, including the Ukrainians, thought Putin was bluffing. Thats why the Ukrainian reserves (other side of the Dneiper) were not mobilized and ready.”
This is correct, I distinctly remember this happening and being surprised they didn’t take US intelligence they were being given more seriously.
This is rewriting history. In 2020, the US provided Ukraine with defensive weapons including Javelin anti-tank missiles, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, and night vision devices. Additionally, the US provided counter-unmanned aerial systems (c-UAS) equipment and ammunition for various weapon systems.
State Dept: Link
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