16 ఆగస్టు, 2025

"So when we've met, when I came out of the plane and I said, 'Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive.' I think that is very neighborly."

"I think that's some kind words that we can say to each other. We're separated by the strait of Bering, though, there are two islands only between the Russian Island and the U.S. Island. They're only four kilometers apart. We are close neighbors, and it's a fact."

Said Vladimir Putin, quoted in "Here's the transcript of what Putin and Trump said in Alaska." 

I pulled that quote because it's very near the beginning and because it reminds me of "I can see Russia from my house and because "to see you alive" might be what he'd say if he had been behind the 2 assassination attempts.

But I want to read it all. I'm going to live-blog my reading of the transcript here. Sorry I missed the live event last night, but at the last second we realized we could get access to the baseball game by submitting to the plot to force us to subscribe to Apple TV. The home team extended its winning streak to 13. We're joking please, please it's too much winning, we can't take it anymore.

On to the transcript. Putin continues:
It's also important that Alaska has to do with our common heritage, common history between Russia and the U.S., and many positive events have to do with that territory. Still, there is tremendous cultural heritage, back from the Russian America, for example, Orthodox churches, and a lot of- more than 700 geographical names of Russian origin.

I don't remember ever seeing the term "Russian America," but it is a standard term referring to the Russian colonization of America, which lasted from 1732 to 1867. Read about it in Wikipedia, here. The Russians were into fur trade and the Russification of Alaska Natives. The Tlingit fought to expel the Russians in the Battle of Sitka:

But Putin doesn't mention how Russia lost Alaska. Maybe he still thinks of it as rightfully belonging to Russia. Look at the map. Geographically, it may look like manifest destiny from his point of view. Trump visualizes Canada (and Greenland) as somehow, in the future, uniting with us. Why wouldn't Putin think the same about Alaska? 

But Putin doesn't recount any such dream. He jumps ahead to the 20th century:

During the Second World War, it was here in Alaska that was the origin of the legendary air bridge for the supply of military aircraft and other equipment under the Lend-Lease Program.

We were friends, not long ago.

It was a dangerous and treacherous route over the vast emptiness of ice. However, the pilots of both countries did everything to bring closer the victory. They risked their lives and they gave it all for the common victory. I was just in the city of Magadan in Russia. And there is a memorial there dedicated to the Russian, the U.S. pilots. And there are two flags, the U.S. flag and the Russian flag. And I know that here as well, there is such a memorial. There is a military burial place several kilometers away from here. The Soviet pilots are buried there who died during that dangerous mission. We're thankful to the citizens and the government of the U.S. for carefully taking care of their memory. I think that's very worthy and noble. We'll always remember other historical examples when our countries defeated common enemies together in the spirit of battle camaraderie and allyship that supported each other and facilitated each other. I am sure that this heritage will help us rebuild and foster mutually beneficial and equal ties at this new stage, even during the hardest conditions.

Beautifully articulated basis for friendship. We love flags and monuments. We venerate the war dead. The idea of a foundation for building may have been chosen precisely to appeal to Trump, the builder. 

It is known that there have been no summits between Russia and the U.S. for four years, and that's a long time. This time was very hard for bilateral relations, and let's be frank, they've fallen to the lowest point since the Cold War. I think that's not benefiting our countries and the world as a whole. It is apparent that sooner or later, we have to amend the situation to move on from the confrontation to dialog, and in this case, a personal meeting between the heads of state has been long overdue, naturally, under the condition of serious and painstaking work, and this work has been done.

In general, me and President Trump have very good direct contact.

He was speaking Russian so I don't know why the translation has a grammar error.  

We've spoken multiple times. We spoke frankly on the phone. And the special envoy of the president, Mr. Witkoff, traveled out to Russia several times. Our advisers and heads of foreign ministries kept in touch all the time, and we know fully well that one of the central issues was the situation around Ukraine.

We see the strive [sic] of the administration and President Trump personally to help facilitate the resolution of the Ukrainian conflict, and his strive to get to the crux of the matter, to understand this history, is precious. As I've said, the situation in Ukraine has to do with fundamental threats to our security. Moreover, we've always considered the Ukrainian nation, and I've said it multiple times, a brotherly nation. How strange it may sound in these conditions. We have the same roots, and everything that's happening is a tragedy for us, and terrible wound. Therefore, the country is sincerely interested in putting an end to it.

At the same time, we're convinced that in order to, to make the settlement lasting and long term, we need to eliminate all the primary roots, the primary causes of that conflict, and we've said it multiple times, to consider all legitimate concerns of Russia and to reinstate a just balance of security in Europe and in the world on the whole, and agree with President Trump, as he has said today, that naturally, the security of Ukraine should be ensured as well. Naturally, we are prepared to work on that.

I would like to hope that the agreement that we've reached together will help us bring closer that goal and will pave the path towards peace in Ukraine. We expect that Kyiv and European capitals will perceive that constructively and that they won't throw a wrench in the works.

I wonder how you say "throw a wrench in the works" in Russian. ChatGPT tells me he said "«ставить палки в колёса» which translates literally to “place sticks in the wheels.” I'm told that's a common expression in Russian.

They will not make any attempts to use some backroom dealings to conduct provocations to torpedo the nascent progress. Incidentally, when the new administration came to power, bilateral trade started to grow. It's still very symbolic. Still, we have a growth of 20%. As I've said, we have a lot of dimensions for joint work. It is clear that the U.S. and Russian investment and business cooperation has tremendous potential. Russia and the U.S. can offer each other so much in trade, digital, high tech and in space exploration. We see that arctic cooperation is also very possible, in our international context. For example, between the far east of Russia and the West Coast of the U.S.

That sounds as though he's passing along Trump's ideas: We can do so well together in commercial trade. Pure Trumpism. Abandon what is bad because you are attracted to the good — the good of wealth and the beautiful things that we can build together. 

Overall, it's very important for our countries to turn the page to go back to cooperation. It is symbolic that, not far away from here, the border between Russia and the US, there was a so-called International Date Line. I think you can step over, literally, from yesterday into tomorrow, and I hope that's- will succeed in that, in the political sphere.

Nice metaphor. 

I would like to thank President Trump for our joint work, for the well wishing and trustworthy tone of our conversation. It's important that both sides are result-oriented and we see that the president of the U.S. has a very clear idea of what he would like to achieve. He sincerely cares about the prosperity of his nation. Still, he understands that Russia has its own national interests.

Prosperity for all. Why is it not possible? 

I expect that today's agreements will be the starting point, not only for the solution of the Ukrainian issue, but also will help us bring back business-like and pragmatic relations between Russia and the U.S.

"Today's agreements" — he said "agreements," but the news reports I'm seeing say there were no agreements. Or is this the agreement, stated by Trump today on Truth Social: "It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up." 

Back to Putin:

And in the end, I would like to add one more thing. I'd like to remind you that in 2022, during the last contact with the previous administration, I tried to convince my previous American colleague, it should not- the situation should not be brought to the point of no return, when it would come to hostilities and accept it quite directly back then, that is a big mistake. Today, when President Trump is saying that if he was the president back then, there would be no war, and I'm quite sure that it would indeed be so. I can confirm that.

I assume Trump pushed him to say that and to say it very clearly. Putin agrees with Trump's assertion — made many times — that if he had been in office, the war in Ukraine would never have happened. If that is a lie, what does it cost Putin to tell that lie? Why not puff up Trump, if that's what he's doing? In this context, it serves Putin's interests to give Trump that. I'm sure Trump knows it.

I think that overall, me and President Trump [sic] have built a very good business-like and trustworthy contact, and have every reason to believe that moving down this path, we can come and assume it better to the end of the conflict in Ukraine. Thank you. Thank you.

Businesslike. That suits Trump, I think. 

Now, we hear from Trump:

Thank you very much, Mr. President, that was very profound, and I will say that I believe we had a very productive meeting. There were many, many points that we agreed on, most of them, I would say, a couple of big ones that we haven't quite gotten there, but we've made some headway. So there's no deal until there's a deal.

Does he agree that there were "agreements"? In a way he does not. He says there were "points" that were agreed on, but these are terms that would be part of the agreement that is sought, and you need agreement on all the essential terms. That is: there's no deal until there's a deal. That's businesslike.

I will call up NATO in a little while, I will call up the various people that I think are appropriate, and I'll of course, call up President Zelenskyy and tell him about today's meeting. It's ultimately up to them. They're going to have to agree with what Marco and Steve and some of the great people from the Trump administration who've come here, Scott and John Ratcliffe. Thank you very much. But we have some of our really great leaders. They've been doing a phenomenal job.

We also have some tremendous Russian business representatives here.

Business! 

And I think, you know, everybody wants to deal with us. We've become the hottest country anywhere in the world in a very short period of time, and we look forward to that. We look forward to dealing- we're going to try and get this over with.

Come on everybody: Let's do deals. Business deals. Step over that line from yesterday to tomorrow and see that we all want deals and we can all get rich. And hot.

We really made some great progress today. I've always had a fantastic relationship with President Putin, with Vladimir. We had many, many tough meetings, good meetings. We were interfered with by the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. It made it a little bit tougher to deal with, but he understood it. I think he's probably seen things like that during the course of his career. He's seen- he's seen it all. But we had to put up with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. He knew it was a hoax, and I knew it was a hoax, but what was done was very criminal, but it made it harder for us to deal as a country, in terms of the business, and all of the things that would like to have dealt with, but we'll have a good chance when this is over.

Oh! He brought up the Russia hoax. It fits the context: Things to get out of the way so we can move fully into the project that is, if not the meaning of it all, the best mechanism for peace: Getting rich. ("PEACE is the natural effect of trade. Two nations who traffic with each other become reciprocally dependent" — wrote Montesquieu.)

So just to put it very quickly, I'm going to start making a few phone calls and tell them what happened. But we had an extremely productive meeting, and many points were agreed to.

There are those points of agreement again. 

There are just a very few that are left. Some are not that significant. One is probably the most significant, but we have a very good chance of getting there. We didn't get there, but we have a very good chance of getting there.

He doesn't say want that one most significant point is.  

I would like to thank President Putin and his entire team, whose faces who I know, in many cases, otherwise, other than that, whose- whose faces I get to see all the time in the newspapers, you're very- you're almost as famous as the boss, but especially this one right over here.

But we had some good meetings over the years, right? Good, productive meetings over the years, and we hope to have that in the future. Let's do the most productive one right now. We're going to stop, really, 5, 6, 7 thousand, 1000s of people a week from being killed, and President Putin wants to see that as much as I do. So again, Mr. President, I'd like to thank you very much, and we'll speak to you very soon, and probably see you again very soon. Thank you very much, Vladimir.

PUTIN: Next time in Moscow.

TRUMP: Ooh, that's an interesting one. I don't know. I'll get a little heat on that one, but I could see it possibly happening.

Nixon in China... Trump in Russia. 

Thank you very much, Vladimir, and thank you all. Thank you. Thank you.

PUTIN: Thank you so much.

185 కామెంట్‌లు:

Wince చెప్పారు...

…there are two islands only between the Russian Island and the U.S. Island. They're only four kilometers apart. We are close neighbors, and it's a fact.

In fact, Putin can see Sarah Palin, err, Tina Fey, waving from her kitchen.

doctrev చెప్పారు...

If you don't want to be deceived by the New York media, there is another transcript from the source:

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/77793

rhhardin చెప్పారు...

Russia and the US are culturally natural allies except for the communists. On the good side, Russians don't have women voting ruining the country. The deal is the people don't deal in politics provided the leaders leave them alone.

Inga చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Inga చెప్పారు...

That nice friendly comment jumped out at me. In other words…See how close we are geographically in case of a shooting war?

Inga చెప్పారు...

“Russia and the US are culturally natural allies…”

Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong.

PeteDOC చెప్పారు...

Only Tina Fey ever said "I can see Russia from my house". Why perpetuate this falsehood?

Rusty చెప్పారు...

Cue the "Putin's stooge" commentary in 3.........2.........1

Goldenpause చెప్పారు...

It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in high stakes negotiating act like they are negotiation experts who know better than Trump. I urge them all to write their critical words on something tasty so they can eat them later.

rhhardin చెప్పారు...

"Wow, you couldn't be more wrong"

Evgeny Kissin Knight's Dance Prokofiev

Moscow audiences know when to applaud, by the way. Cultural intelligence.

rhhardin చెప్పారు...

Tina Fey was good in Admission (2013)

Inga చెప్పారు...

Google AI…
“While there are some areas of cultural overlap between Americans and Russians, significant differences exist in social norms, communication styles, and perceptions of personal space. Americans and Russians may find it challenging to understand each other's cultural cues, leading to misunderstandings.

Social Norms and Communication:
Smiling:
Americans are known for smiling at strangers as a sign of friendliness, while Russians tend to smile only when genuinely happy or interacting with someone they know.
Small Talk:
Russians generally find small talk with strangers awkward and prefer more direct communication.
Public vs. Private Space:
Russians tend to value close proximity during conversations, while Americans prefer more personal space.
Directness:
Russians are generally more direct and open about expressing emotions and opinions, whereas Americans may use more euphemisms and strive for a positive image.
Friendship:
Russians define friendship more deeply than Americans, often reserving the term for close, trusted relationships where emotional support is readily available.
Cultural Values:
Individualism vs. Collectivism:
.
American culture is often characterized by individualism and a focus on individual rights, while Russian culture, while diverse, can be more collectivist, with a stronger emphasis on national security and the state.
Perception of Authority:
Some observe that Russians may be more cynical about authority due to historical experiences, while Americans generally hold a more positive view of their government.
Cultural Exchange:
Despite the differences, there's a degree of cultural exchange between the two nations, with Russians enjoying American movies, series, and other media.
Many Russians and Americans find common ground in their openness to new experiences and their ability to learn from each other, despite cultural differences.
In conclusion, while there are areas of convergence, significant differences in social norms, communication styles, and cultural values exist between Americans and Russians, making it important to be aware of these distinctions to foster understanding and avoid misinterpretation.”

FormerLawClerk చెప్పారు...

"We were friends, not long ago ..."

The United Stated doesn't have friends. We have interests.

Breezy చెప్పారు...

“We were interfered with by the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. It made it a little bit tougher to deal with, but he understood it. I think he's probably seen things like that during the course of his career. He's seen- he's seen it all. But we had to put up with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. He knew it was a hoax, and I knew it was a hoax, but what was done was very criminal, but it made it harder for us to deal as a country, in terms of the business, and all of the things that would like to have dealt with, but we'll have a good chance when this is over.“

The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy? That does sound like a case for treason could be made.

bagoh20 చెప్పారు...

I thought Putin sounded like Kamala Harris, but maybe the translation does that. He sounded delirious and unprepared in other words. Maybe Russia has a problem like we did with our last administration.

Canadian Bumblepuppy చెప్పారు...

slight baseball digression- I have been enjoying the Bluejays this year, but I was disappointed to see last night's game locked up on Apple TV. I can't afford yet another streaming service though.

Bluejays had a great comeback win against Texas. Very fun team to watch. Almost as much fun as the Brewers. Almost.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Putin reminds me of US democrats.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Inag - really? - go splatter that AI crap on Maddow's account at blue sky,

Peachy చెప్పారు...

It's hilarious listening to the American Democratic Corporate press. they are so filled with rage and anger.
'Trump didn't stop the war!'

Craig Howard చెప్పారు...

He was speaking Russian so I don't know why the translation has a grammar error.

Probably the translator was trying to sound informal. After all, most Americans don’t know when to use “I” or “me”, either.

The Vault Dweller చెప్పారు...

"Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive."

This has a similar, though much less extreme, feeling to Khrushchev's 'we will bury you.' Supposedly Khrushchev meant that more as in the long-sweep of history Communism will win out but Communists will still treat former Capitalists as accepted members of their community. After all one doesn't waste time burying people you don't care about. Putin's reference to health and still being alive comes off vaguely threatening though seems to be wrapped in care. Was this accidental or intentional? Something tells me the Kremlin of today better understands the connotations of American English than the Kremlin of the 1950s.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Leland చెప్పారు...

The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy?

How could it not? Just see the reactions to this day. If Trump has any conversations with Putin, it is seen as Trump being worked like a puppet. If there was any truth to it, then it would be horrific. As it is, Putin has the option to lean into it at any time to subvert actions Trump might take. Conversely, Biden was forced into the position of being in opposition to Russia. That also played into Putin's ability to convince his people that Ukraine moving into NATO would be a threat to Rodina.

Freder Frederson చెప్పారు...

'Trump didn't stop the war!'

You're the one who should be pissed off. He promised to end it in 24 hrs (and when he was on a roll, claimed he would end it even before he took office).

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

Looks like Hillary Clinton is going to recommend President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Freder - why? Your fraud Biden was on the clock when it started and he did nothing to stop it.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

Great analysis. More informative than the NYT/BBC/NPR/CBS all put together.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

Hey Rusty, I would really appreciate it if you would point out any factual errors that I make, I can’t seem to figure that out from just the name calling.

I got tricked into supporting the Iraq war, I trusted our leaders to have honorable intentions, I was wrong, we were following a plan written out in Brzezinski’s book, all of these wars, and the final part was to use Ukraine as the anvil on which to break up Russia. The book was written in the nineties, so don’t tell me that Brzezinski’s book is after the fact theorizing, he as bragged about talking Jimmy Carter into funding the Taliban in order to trigger a Soviet invasion. What would America do if Jihadis took over Mexico?

Feel free to point out any errors in this post.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

As peace approaches lefties getting more hysterical. Join Hillary Clinton and Ukraine and Russia and the Republican Party and MAGA and, most important, President Trump on the Peace Train. All aboard.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Trump is manipulated more easily than a balloon animal at a toddler's birthday party.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Leland 9:37
THAT

The left's lies and treachery are Schitt-gifts that keep on giving.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Kak-a-poodle.
Oh do shut the fuck up.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Putin: It's good to see you're still viable after multiple attempts to perform human rites in Planned Presidenthood (PP). The Democrats selfie-identify as jackasses.

Trump: You, too. It has been a long Slavic Spring. Egypt survived the ethnic Spring. Israel, too. Britain is too early too call. Libya, she came she saw a "burden"... You know, feminists. Next year in the Congo where black lives matter again.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

Get your bags together
Come bring your good friends, too
Our cause is getting nearer
It soon will be with you
And come and join the living
It's not so far from you
And it's gettin' nearer
Soon it will all be true
Oh, peace train soundin' louder
Glide on the peace train

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

Back in the 2000’s, Mrs. Dink and I hosted Russian school teachers in our home for 10 days. They were English teachers in their home country. We did this every year. A different set of teachers every year.

They had a shell that was hard to crack. But after a few days they would open up. They have a lot more in common with the US citizenry than you would think.

Our hosting concluded when Vlad the Impaler started flexing.

As an aside, I would ask them what surprised them about the U.S. Typically it was how friendly a people we were.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

Inga’s song:
“Shall two knights never tilt for me
And let their blood be spilt for me?
Oh where are the simple joys of maidenhood?
Shall I not be on a pedestal,
Worshipped and competed for?
Not be carried off, or better st'll,
Cause a little war?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?
Are these sweet, gentle pleasures gone for good?
Shall a feud not begin for me?
Shall kith not kill their kin for me?
Oh where are the trivial joys,
Harmless, convivial joys?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?“
Time to get aboard the Peace Train, Inga

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

The Russians got as far south as California. No signs yet of a реконкиста.

Wondering where all those liberals who said in the Sixties/Seventies/Eighties that we'd have to learn to live with the Russians on our small and fragile planet went.

Sebastian చెప్పారు...

"The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy?" Of course. First and foremost, because it told the Russians, who knew the origins of the hoax and understood the hoax as hoax, that the American elite was obsessed with domestic political warfare, lying publicly about an issue where they understood the Russians could see them lie, exposing themselves as completely cynical operators who did not care a bit about the democratic process in their own country or indeed about the country as such. And of course, they knew a big chunk of the elite was eminently bribable, from Clinton through Biden--they like money more than national loyalty. Chinese, same thing. Which put US at disadvantage.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

RasPutin and Zelensky getting on the Peace Train.
Leaving all the haters behind.

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

It’s always the faulty leadership that creates or exacerbates the problems. They have Putin, we had the Lightbringer and the Demented one (and his host of Semi-Auto Pen grifters)

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“Wondering where all those liberals who said in the Sixties/Seventies/Eighties that we'd have to learn to live with the Russians on our small and fragile planet went.”
Correction: not Russians but the USSR. Liberals liked them when they were Commies. Now that they’re no longer Commies, they must pay.
But the Peace Train is sounding louder.
Glide on the Peace Train.

Biff చెప్పారు...

Everyone knows that Al-Aska originally was Muslim. /jk

AMDG చెప్పారు...

Goldenpause said...
It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in high stakes negotiating act like they are negotiation experts who know better than Trump. I urge them all to write their critical words on something tasty so they can eat them later.

8/16/25, 8:42 AM
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Trump is overrated as a negotiator. One need only look at his acquisitions of The Plaza, The Taj Mahal Casino, and the Eastern Airlines Shuttle for proof.

In each of those deals the bankruptcy of the properties was inevitable from the moment Trump signed the deals.

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

@AMDG. Now list Trump’s successful negotiations/ transactions. I’ll wait.

rhhardin చెప్పారు...

Scott Adams says Trump restored some world prestige to Putin, an asset built out of nothing that Trump can take away in an instant.

Wilbur చెప్పారు...

Putin forgot to mention Trump is his cock holster.

Remember how the Left thought that was hilarious? Are the walls still closing in on Trump?

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

I am waiting for more details to come out where we find out the concessions Trump secured.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“I am waiting for more details to come out where we find out the concessions Trump secured.”
Shorter Kakistocracy: War good. Peace bad.

Dust Bunny Queen చెప్పారు...

AMDG said..........."In each of those deals the bankruptcy of the properties was inevitable from the moment Trump signed the deals. "

You realize that there are several different types of Bankruptcy.....right. (of course you don't) 7, 11, 13 and also 9, 12, 15

Some versions allow for corporate restructuring and be quite beneficial for the corporation and shareholder. It doesn't always mean that the entity is broke or goes out of business.

Filing for Chapter 11 as a business is a common practice

"Chapter 11 allows a business to reorganize, rather than liquidate, and is the second-most common type of business bankruptcy, with 8,456 business filings in 2024. A large business or corporation with assets that allow it to reorganize is more likely to file Chapter 11 than Chapter 7. Some successful examples are air carriers United, Delta, American; car manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler, as well as Marvel Entertainment, which declared bankruptcy in 1996, only to emerge to become the Marvel Universe.

Under Chapter 11, a business can protect itself from creditors while reorganizing operations, debts, and assets. If successful it re-emerges a few years later – often smaller, sleeker, more efficient, profitable – and creditors got a better return than they would have if the business had shut down and liquidated. If the Chapter 11 reorganization fails, liquidation is usually the next step.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

"Shorter Kakistocracy: War good. Peace bad."

Oh, he has explicitly celebrated Ukrainians killing Russians, 'so we don't have to'.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in business act like they are business experts who know better than Trump.

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

"Only Tina Fey ever said "I can see Russia from my house". Why perpetuate this falsehood?"

Because it's a joke.

RMc చెప్పారు...

So...nothing got accomplished, then? Okay.

gadfly చెప్పారు...

When it was all said and done, Trump called Putin "the boss."

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

This is a teaching moment. Lefties are willing, in fact salivating, to sabotage any movement toward peace. They can’t even bring themselves to say, “It probably won’t work but if there’s a chance war in Ukraine will come to an end, then I’m all for it.” They can’t even say that.

gadfly చెప్పారు...

Wilbur:

“The only thing [Trump's] mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s cock holster” was broadcast on the May 17, 2017 episode of CBS’s “Late Show With Stephen Colbert.”

That was only a Colbert joke. So very few folks heard it.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Vladimir Putin said something- one of the most interesting things. He said 'your election was rigged because you have mail in voting. It's impossible to have mail in voting & have honest elections.' He said that to me because we talked about 2020. He said, 'you won that election by so much'" ~ Trump on Fox News

I’m not even surprised any more. Same act, different day.

Trump primarily understands issues through the lens of real estate deals. Consequently, he struggles to grasp why Putin is obsessed with Ukraine for reasons beyond simple negotiations, as Trump is unfamiliar with those motivations and cannot comprehend why a deal cannot be made.

Without the trust fund — Trump would've been selling swamp land to suckers.

bagoh20 చెప్పారు...

Nothing pisses off the left like peace and success. The closer you get to it, the more desperate they sound to stop it. You all really do prefer war to peace rather than let Trump secure that peace. That's just sick. It's a defective human spirit, and you have it.
I would be nothing but supportive if Biden or Obama were doing this, despite the fact I think they both are corrupt traitors to my country. Thousands of lives are at stake, maybe millions. Is this really what you are about, and publicly?

Tina Trent చెప్పారు...

The fact that they're holding talks is not nothing.

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

Can one imagine Word Salad Kammie on this world stage? Putin would have required not one, but two translators. One to translate Kammie’s words into English. The second to translate those words into Russian.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

'The fact that they're holding talks is not nothing.'

The sad fact is that the Russian economy is on the brink of collapse. If Trump had not squandered the opportunity the war might already be over.

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

The gad said: “ That was only a Colbert joke. So very few folks heard it.”

That was real knee slapper gad. Thanks for sharing!

Levi Starks చెప్పారు...

Just a comment about televised baseball, we moved to an location that’s 300 miles from the nearest MLB stadium, so the only way to reliably watch my wife’s favorite sport was to subscribe to MLB Network. We cal watch a lot of games, but I’m ticked at how many games we’re still not allowed to watch.

gadfly చెప్పారు...

Original Mike said...
"Shorter Kakistocracy: War good. Peace bad."

Without a doubt, the Trump kakistocracy is occupied by the least qualified and the most unprincipled politicians.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

gadfly: You have poor reading comprehension. Do you even try?

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

Dave told us about this. Here's video: B2 flyover

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Evidence is in which shapes conclusions pointing towards the future direction of policy that Europe and the US should undertake.

• Russia is in a protracted war against the West over security in eastern Europe and the overall role of the US as an external guarantor of Europe (the classic role of offshore balancer).

• Russia is engaged in a broad pattern of irregular warfare against the West which involves coordinated actual hostilities in Ukraine (keeping the threat of deadly conflict alive in the eyes of Europeans) combined with political influence, sabotage, and subversion campaigns across Europe and in the United States. This reinforces the protracted nature of the conflict.

• Trump does not understand that a Ceasefire Agreement backed by deployed western force (force in place -- "locked and loaded" in right-wing parlance) is the best achievable outcome for the West.

• Trump does not understand that a Comprehensive Agreement is to cede geopolitical victory to Russia, probably in a long-term but inevitable installment plan. Ukraine sovereignty would be ceded to Russian domination, Nato military guarantees to Poland and the Baltics would be eliminated therefore vitiating the Nato treaty (Nato would be a dead letter institution), the EU would become a weak confederation, and American influence in Europe would be essentially ended.

• Ceding any of the western Donetsk region for any kind of ceasefire just guarantees a resumption of hostilities by Russia under its long-practiced installment plan of aggression.

Europe and the US are going to have to support a status quo in the Ukraine which may involve either continued hostilities or possibly a "cold" ceasefire. This will continue until such point that Russia changes its mind about the benefits and costs of continued active hostilities.

Russia may also feel that costs incurred by hostilities nevertheless payoff in Europe and the US by making influence and subversion operations more effective.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

"The sad fact is that the Russian economy is on the brink of collapse."

Says the man who extolled the power of the German economy.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

Putin: "I wish I had one of those.
Trump: "I bet you do."

buwaya చెప్పారు...

I have no comment on Trumps negotiation strategy as frankly I have no idea what he is up to. The Democrats "Russia Russia" business was pure rhetorical garbage flinging using a universally acknowledged bogeyman as a prop. Because of course, at the time Russia (Putin) was a universally acknowledged bogeyman, albeit thought to be more or less contained. The fault here was the Democrats took normal rhetorical excess and created a bureaucratic rat-fucking operation on fictional grounds. That corruption of the "permanent government" (as in "Yes, Minister") is the fatal American problem. You can't trust the people in charge anymore, though you need to be able to. When the Mandarins are corrupt the dynasty falls.

This is about the situation at the time of the fall of the Ming. The barbarians really were at the gates while Chinese bureaucratic factions were gutting the Imperial government.

As for whether any of that had an effect directly on Putin and Xi and co. (the barbarians), I doubt it. They are the bad guys and they know it. Their intentions were already malicious, and they are complete cynics.

gadfly చెప్పారు...

Levi Starks:

"This is what some intrepid baseball fans do: subscribe to a great VPN service and use the VPN app to change their IP address before logging in to the MLB.TV app. The right (out-of-market) IP address can unlock streams that aren’t available in your location."

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“The sad fact is that the Russian economy is on the brink of collapse. If Trump had not squandered the opportunity the war might already be over.”
Leave the jokes to Tina Fey.

Levi Starks చెప్పారు...

Remember when Obama said on an open mic “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”?

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

"Remember when Obama said on an open mic “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”?"

What was that about? What was Obama telling Putin he would do for him?

gadfly చెప్పారు...

Original Mike said...
gadfly: You have poor reading comprehension. Do you even try?

You failed to specify that you didn't know what "kakistocracy" means, so I was only trying to help.

Charlie Currie చెప్పారు...

Russia and America are natural allies. The USSR and the USA were not. US and EU intelligence agencies can't accept that they won the cold war against the USSR and want to continue it against Russia. Russia is the only country on the continent that can save Europe from the Islamist invading their countries. China will support the Islamist as long as they stay out of China.

Original Mike చెప్పారు...

gadfly: You weren't quoting me, you dope.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Putin and the Democrats fubdamentally have a lot in common. That is why democrats are constantly working with Putin.

The most important similarity is that they cannot be honest about what they are doing.

Both the democrats and Putin want to rule over other people. There is nothing aspirational about this. Nothing that makes you want to follow them based on higher principles.

So as people mentioned above Putin is going to sound a lot like Kamala Harris. The only difference between them is putin is intelligent and Kamala Harris smiles like a donut.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...

As for whether any of that had an effect directly on Putin and Xi and co. (the barbarians), I doubt it. They are the bad guys and they know it. Their intentions were already malicious, and they are complete cynics.

There are no "Good guys" or "Bad Guys" in war. Claiming you are the "Good Guy" is just puerile justification for sending other people to conquer land so rulers can get rich.

This war does not happen if NATO is not bent on conquering Russia. The same people who convinced Ukraine to give their nuclear weapons to Russia also promised NATO would not move one inch east.

Everything about this war is corrupt and all parties involved are greedy scum. The true moral judgements are on the people who make justifications.

Richard చెప్పారు...

Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive.' I think that is very neighborly. I think that's some kind words that we can say to each other.

Putin is Mr. Rogers!

https://pbskids.org/videos/watch/competition-how-people-make-crayons/34760

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent చెప్పారు...

“Russia may also feel that costs incurred by hostilities nevertheless payoff in Europe and the US by making influence and subversion operations more effective.”

Influence and subversion from the “superpower” that couldn’t even take Kiev? The West quails.

The only people Russia influences and subverts are the grifting Left. Rational people see the paper tiger and say try that shit here.

Skeptical Voter చెప్పారు...

Well my friend with a terminal case of Trump Derangement Syndrome said that since no deal was announced, it was just a waste of taxpayer money to make the Alaskan trip. Will an end to the Ukraine Russia conflict come? Eventually and with or without the assistance of Trump. But deals don't come together instantly.

effinayright చెప్పారు...

rhhardin said...

"Russia and the US are culturally natural allies except for the communists. ***On the good side, Russians don't have women voting ruining the country. ***The deal is the people don't deal in politics provided the leaders leave them alone.
*************
Whaaaa...?

Per AI:

*Yes, women in Russia do vote. Russia became one of the first major world powers to grant women the right to vote in 1917, following the February Revolution. Women gained voting rights on March 15, 1917, through a decree issued by the Russian Provisional Government .

This made Russia quite progressive for its time - women's suffrage was established there earlier than in many Western countries. The right has continued through the Soviet period and into the modern Russian Federation. The modern Russian Federation elected its first women MPs in December 1993, with 60 women out of 449 Lower House members Russian Federation."

So to directly answer your question: yes, women have had the legal right to vote in Russia for over 100 years, and they continue to participate in elections today."
............
So...why not stop being a flake by posting false assertions you could have easily checked?

Rusty చెప్పారు...

Jaq said...
"Hey Rusty, I would really appreciate it if you would point out any factual errors that I make, I can’t seem to figure that out from just the name calling."

I will, but the above was in anticipation of the usual suspects. I didn't have to wait long.

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

Donald Trump's company built the Taj Mahal. He didn't acquire it. It wasn't a success and bankruptcy was the result. As for the Plaza and to some extent the Eastern Shuttle, Trump bought troubled assets, didn't quite make them work and then sold them on to other buyers. The Plaza wasn't a failure, but the funds needed to renovate and maintain it were substantial and more than Trump wanted to pay

In politics it's easy to hide one's failures or one's utter uselessness and ineffectuality. The business world has its ups and downs and if you play close to the edge, you're bound to fall off sometimes. Getting up and moving on to other achievements is what matters.

Steven చెప్పారు...

Funny that he brought up the Lend-Lease program and the use of airbases in Alaska to transfer planes. I just listened to "Stalin's War." The reason the planes were transferred in Alaska was because Stalin would not allow American pilots to fly the safer route directly to the Soviet Union. Pilots had to fly a dangerous route over the North American wilderness and the planes had to be rehabbed before the Soviet pilots flew them on to the Soviet Union. Putin probably admires the way that Stalin had Roosevelt and his Soviet-infiltrated administration jumping to agree to every outlandish request he made regarding Lend-Lease supplies.

Smilin' Jack చెప్పారు...

Seems like this would be a lot easier if Trump just made Russia the 51st state.

Also, women do not vote in Russia. Nobody does. The ballot boxes are just disguised recycling bins.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

Right now, Zelensky and his EU masters have refused to recognize Russian control over the Donbas Oblasts or Crimea. These are now offically part of Russia, and Russia won't make peace unless Ukraine gives them up.

Zelensky has said: No land for peace. So, there's only one path to peace and Ukraine/EU refuse to take it. Either they change or the war goes on.

Also, we would never accept a Chinese Mexican military alliance with Chinese troops in mexico. Russia will never accept Nato in Ukraine.

Ukraine cannot win the war. So, I think war will go on till the Ukrainians figure out that the EU is going to fight to the last Ukrainian and they need to cut their losses. Maybe the Russians will have to take everything east of the River.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Kakistocracy said...

Evidence is in which shapes conclusions pointing towards the future direction of policy that Europe and the US should undertake.

• Russia is in a protracted war against the West over security in eastern Europe and the overall role of the US as an external guarantor of Europe (the classic role of offshore balancer).


Rich is most concerned with political power for his tribe. He does not care about Russia, the Russian people, Ukraine, their people, the US or it's people.

Everything Rich posts is directly meant to undermine Trump and what Trump is trying to do.

Rich does not care about anything else. That is why he is so dishonest.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Who has conquered more territory over the last 4 years: Russia or NATO?

Ever since NATO promised not one inch east has it lived up to it's commitments?

Achilles చెప్పారు...

• Ceding any of the western Donetsk region for any kind of ceasefire just guarantees a resumption of hostilities by Russia under its long-practiced installment plan of aggression.

Ukraine joining NATO guarantees NATO invasion of Ukraine.

NATO has been the more aggressive party at every step of this conflict.

Quaestor చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Quaestor చెప్పారు...

Three and a half years and seven hundred thousand killed and wounded -- and for what? Already thousands of square miles of Ukraine's black soil resembles the Western Front in 1917 much more than they resembled the wheat fields of Kansas as they did in the past -- lines of zigzag trenches facing each other over a scorched and cratered moonscape, with the only difference between that battlefield and Passchendaele are the wrecks of modern tanks and the incessant whine of prowling drones.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Ukraine joining NATO also guarantees NATO invasion of Russia.

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

Clearly, women do vote in Russia, but they haven't run the country as is often the case with Russia's Baltic neighbors. The USSR like to make much of equal representation for women at lower levels of government, but they didn't rise to the higher levels. Today, Russia and the US don't have gender quotas for public officials. Many other countries do.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Bullshit Achilles. This is where your "conservatism" develops a fatal disease. St. Thomas has a perfectly good, systematic way to know if you are a "good guy" in the "Summa". And in that system the Ukrainians are clearly fighting a just war, and the Russians are not.
You have abandoned all your cultural/religious values in order to adopt a worship of evil, simply for the sake of whacking democrats. Which is stupid, they dont care, they already belong to the devil. You are losing your soul for nothing.

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

Donetsk was founded by a Welshman, John Hughes, and was originally called Yuzovka. If other arrangements fall through, maybe the Welsh could step back in and take it over.

Curious George చెప్పారు...

"Levi Starks said...
Just a comment about televised baseball, we moved to an location that’s 300 miles from the nearest MLB stadium, so the only way to reliably watch my wife’s favorite sport was to subscribe to MLB Network. We cal watch a lot of games, but I’m ticked at how many games we’re still not allowed to watch."

Yeah, I'm in Milwaukee but am a Cubs fan. I can watch the Cubs on MLB.TV (free as a T-Mobile customer) but not if they are playing the Brewers, home or away. The game is blacked out because the Brewers are on cable TV locally. As you probably know other games are blacked out if they are on ESPN or Apple.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

"NATO has been the more aggressive party at every step of this conflict." - I would call this profoundly stupid. But I wont, because it is calculated propaganda. To believe this you would have to condemn the souls of most Eastern Europeans to hell. The last NATO "aggression" was that of Sweden and Finland joining NATO. Yeah, those aggressive bloodthirsty Nordics itching to take St Petersburg I suppose.

The Russians LIE. Their government system is based on that. They are an extremely low-trust society. Most of Europe is a HIGH trust society, higher than most of the US at this point.

Yancey Ward చెప్పారు...

Buwaya,

What would have changed in the average Ukrainian's life had their government simply given the keys of Kiev to the Russian army in February 2022 rather than fight?

Iman చెప్పారు...

“Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?“

Long past joys, teh desiccated quim doth give way to occasional pruning and her mind to fits of rage.

Eva Marie: “Time to get aboard the Peace Train, Inga…”

Long past time…

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

Any warmongers out there think the Ukes can win this war? How about pushing Putin’s forces back to the pre-war borders (maybe the same thing)?

It is not going to happen.

Old and slow చెప్పారు...

Humperdink said...
Any warmongers out there think the Ukes can win this war? How about pushing Putin’s forces back to the pre-war borders?

This really is the crux of the matter. Ukraine is fighting a just war that it has no conceivable path to winning. So how many deaths and how much money is the right amount to expend in pursuit of nothing?

Yancey Ward చెప్పారు...

There might have been a basis for a peace agreement in early 2023 but that was gone after the failed Ukrainian offensive in the Summer of 2023. The Russians switched strategy in order to simply grind the Ukrainian army into dust. It is a simple question of numbers- the Russians have far more personnel and resources- a difference made even greater by the fact that so much of Ukraine's fighting age males have left just avoid being conscripted.

In short, what could Trump even offer Putin that Putin isn't going to get in the end by just winning the war on the battlefield?

Lance చెప్పారు...

So when we've met, when I came out of the plane and I said, 'Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive.' I think that is very neighborly.

How do you do, fellow kids?

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“Russia and the US don't have gender quotas for public officials. Many other countries do.”
I’m going to comment on this . . . “Cause I’m a woman! W-O-M-A-N” Gender quotas, as all other quotas, are moronic.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Sex... uh, gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes) quotas are dogmatic fetuses... features of DEIst philosophy and practice. Men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature.

ALP చెప్పారు...

Ann, if you have Apple TV, you must watch "Severance"! One of the most unique US shows I've seen in a while, and it features some amazing music. Truly unique.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Trump emerged from his summit with Putin with an agreement to keep talking and invitation to visit Moscow. The sound you hear is Norway minting his Nobel Peace Prize.

n.n చెప్పారు...

The Slavic Spring sprung from the Western-backed coup in 2014 that progressed with a war conducted by Kiev and aligned axis interests against Ukrainians and Russians. All's fair in lust and abortion? Let's hope not.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Gender quotas, as all other quotas, are moronic.

Bad judgment and ulterior motives. DEIst philosophy denies individual dignity, equality, and integration. The Natural complement of the sexes has only a narrow, limited significance in human affairs and individual potential.

Maynard చెప్పారు...

There is no purpose in discussing this with the Althouse lefties. Whatever agreement that ends the war will not be accredited to Trump. Their TDS makes it way too uncomfortable to give Trump credit for anything.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

What would have happened would be the FSB and similar agencies would have rounded up thosands, or hundreds of thousands, and murdered or incarcerated them. These units were included in the task force dispatched from Belorussia, and they were already practicing their trade in the towns north of Kiev. To add, the end of Ukrainian idependence, cultural erasure, and a few million more refugees would have fled to Europe.
What would happen if the Red Chinese took California?

n.n చెప్పారు...

The first Iraq war "ended" with a ceasefire, sustained with suppressive action, then concluded in a war and trial. Followed by a second Iraq war and regional conflict... funded through disbursement of contested frozen assets and acting stupidly in world ethnic Springs. Let's hope that moral minds prevail to abort these belligerent burdens, where Trump acting with native supporters have already mitigated progress across the globe.

Prof. M. Drout చెప్పారు...

Russia and the U.S. are 'natural' allies against China just as China and the U.S. were 'natural' allies against the USSR: because Russia and China are NOT 'natural' allies. They share a long, border with a very large imbalance of people and resources along that border. Russia has to fear, constantly, the creation of de facto "Chiberia" where China's much larger population encounters Siberia little-populated land.
Russia and the U.S. are also 'natural' allies because we occupy different economic niches in the global system that can be complementary. We're a maritime, trading and manufacturing economy and they are a land-based, resource-extraction economy.
Pushing Russia into the arms of China--in great part to try to justify the idiotic Russia 'collusion' hoax--was one of the largest strategic errors of the past 75 years. That was just sheer stupidity from the Obama/Biden 'brain' trust (I'm sure they were individually well paid for making it, though).
Despite the media reports, Ukraine is never winning this war, on its own, and anyone who thinks that expanding the war through NATO or U.S. entry is a good idea needs to spend some time looking at terrain maps: the best defense configurations for Russia include the Baltics and a chunk of Finland. Do we really want to risk not only the chance of a hot war going nuclear, but a non-nuclear war that ends up with Russia in control over THAT territory as well?

Humperdink చెప్పారు...

Buwaya said: “FSB and similar agencies would have rounded up thosands, or hundreds of thousands, and murdered or incarcerated them.”

We have fighting age Ukes living in our small hick town. For some reason, they chose not to stay and engage the Russians.

Inga చెప్పారు...

So where are the “severe consequences” that Trump promised if after the summit there would be no Cease Fire? Did Putin know that by telling Trump what he wanted to hear he could get Trump to forget about the dreaded “severe consequences”. TACO.

Aaron చెప్పారు...

""The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy?" Of course. "

Also, foreign countries would negotiate with Trump but be worried that he might be removed at any time. If they believed the bullshit. I wonder if their IC knew better and informed them.

A point on assuming Ukraine is going to get "concessions"

Could you please stop smoking pot?

They are not winning the war. Now, they're not losing swiftly which is good, but if you expect to somehow get Crimea back, you're just not being realistic.

The best "concession" we could get is US./EU troops based in Ukraine to maintain the peace

mccullough చెప్పారు...

Putin: You’re a hard man to kill.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

What brainiac chose to disparage our Mexican American community by calling something bad TACO? No wonder Mexican Americans are all voting Republicans. I realize tacos are disparaged by elites for being so common but they’re delicious.

wildswan చెప్పారు...

Short version of Trump's message to Putin:
I see a red carpet and a B-2 flyover. The B-2 dropped a massive bomb from 50,000 feet which was guided into a pipe half the size of the President's desk in the White House. The pipe led down to Iran's nuclear hidey hole and BOOM. and off home. It could have been Khameni [or ... it could be the Kerch bridge or ... Putin?]
But the red carpet shows that Trump remembers that Russia and China have been at odds over Russian Far West and may be again. And, as Putin pointed out, the Russian Far West is not far from Alaska and the US and Russia have co-operated from there before. There's more at a stake than the Ukraine in US-Russian relations though those with Stage 4 TDS, such as Colbert or NPR "reporters" remember why that is so. They can only remember their short-term hatreds - anything long-term is simply gone.
The Ukraine has evened up Europe and Russia in its war and Europe owes it an immense debt which it is anxious for us to pay. That's what will happen if we are mindless neo-cons. But what else is there? Some kind of deal, something as unlikely as the Flight 93 election?

Inga చెప్పారు...

You’re kidding, right?

“What brainiac chose to disparage our Mexican American community by calling something bad TACO?”

“The term "TACO" in the context of Donald Trump, meaning “Trump Always Chickens Out," was coined by Robert Armstrong, a columnist for the Financial Times. The phrase refers to the observation that Trump often threatens to impose or escalate tariffs, only to later back down or delay their implementation, a pattern that some on Wall Street use to predict market fluctuations.”

Google AI

rhhardin చెప్పారు...

CATO refers to the percentage of homeless who are
40% Crazy
30% Addicts
20% Tramps (like the lifestyle)
10% Out of luck

The 10% are the ones you can help.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

Why should I use AI when I have you. It’s said disparagingly. And this London Times fellow - I bet he has a low opinion of Mexican food - which is why he coined that term. It’s a twofer. Makes fun of Trump and makes fun of Mexicans. As for always chickening out - that’s meant to mask Trump’s bravery. He was shot, and still got up to say what could have been his last words on earth. “Fight. Fight. Fight.” Then he continued his campaign in front of large crowds not knowing if the Democrat run Secret Service would do their jobs. The term is lose lose on both fronts.

Earnest Prole చెప్పారు...

Guys, I’m beginning to suspect that 24-hour Ukrainian peace plan ain’t gonna hunt.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

It's a simple fact that Putin's vote total in the last election roughly matched his popularity according to Western polling firms. This talk about crooked elections is more projection from the West.

University of Chicago and a European polling firm, Extreme Scan, showed Putin's support at 70%, but they ruled out Putin getting any votes from people who answered Unsure, a Russian polling firm, Levada, called Putin's vote totals precisely. This is what ChatGPT says.

Methods and the political environment matter. Western-run or Western-based surveys often reported all-respondents figures with large “don’t know/refuse” buckets, which depress headline shares; Russian pollsters typically publish likely-voter or reallocated shares that are closer to official tallies.

So the western pollsters got "headline shares" of around 70% and assumed no undecided would vote for Putin. ExtremeScan were expat Russians, who claimed that Putin couldn't plausibly get more votes than 69% somehow, when Chicago got a "likely to vote for him" figure of 66%.

The point is that Putin was winning that election comfortably. He is very popular in Russia. We might not like him, we liked that drunkard Yeltsin who gave away so much of his countries wealth to looters from the West a lot better. But we are not thinking about Russia's best interests.

Of course in Europe, they don't jigger with the votes they way they do in the US, they just outlaw the parties that might get too many votes, like they did in Romania.

Or how about Spain, buwaya? Which party got the most votes there? Did they get to form the government? Or did a coalition of the losers take power, and they were forced to include people who had been involved in the attempted secession of a region of Spain? In order to secure a ruling coalition, the party that came in second had to push through an amnesty law so that these people could return to Spain. Why? So that this war could be pushed.

Parties opposed to the war are consistently the most popular all across Europe. The AfD is now the most popular political party in Germany, and Merz is despised, as is Starmer, as is Macron, but it doesn't matter, like in Romania, and even Pakistan, the people's choice, if they don't line up behind this project to break up Russia, are arrested, banned from politics, whatever it takes.

So tell me again about Russian elections.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...

Bullshit Achilles. This is where your "conservatism" develops a fatal disease. St. Thomas has a perfectly good, systematic way to know if you are a "good guy" in the "Summa". And in that system the Ukrainians are clearly fighting a just war, and the Russians are not.
You have abandoned all your cultural/religious values in order to adopt a worship of evil, simply for the sake of whacking democrats. Which is stupid, they dont care, they already belong to the devil. You are losing your soul for nothing.


How many Ukrainians need to die for you to feel as if you are the good guy? Not many Polish or Americans dying here. No Germans or Brits.

There aren't even any Ukrainian Oligarchs dying.

Just little people. And lets talk about the little people.

In the areas that Russia now occupies 90% of the little people voted for Yanukovich before he was thrown out in a coup. Since then these areas have been occupied by groups like the Azov battalion.

Do you really think the people in Donetsk want this war? 80% of them wanted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. Same with Crimea.

Right now people are just dying for lines on a map.

Who are the good guys?

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

I bet that London Times jerk thinks tacos are low class - that’s why he chose those particular words and all I hear is Trump’s a taco - kind of like a beaner - another disparaging term bigots use.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

Actually, chickening out would have been to cave to the neocons. What Trump has done is kept his promise to his base. I hear that Inga is burning a candle each morning to George W Bush and Dick Cheney. OK, probably not, but she sure has fallen in love with the policies of those two war mongers.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

Buwaya is living proof that being flooded in propaganda can overcome even an intelligent mind. Europe is currently flooded with propaganda. They believe that the Russian economy is on the brink of collapse, which it is not, they do have very low unemployment so this leads to inflationary pressure, but that's not the same as collapse.

The UK papers print what they need people to believe in order to countenance extending this war and watching more Ukrainians die. "We're winning! Just one more month and we win!"

Well, Ukraine's forces are collapsing as we speak. I used to listen to both sides, but what I found out was that Russia would claim some victory, Ukrainians would call them liars, then in two or three weeks it would become clear that the Russians were right, and they would be claiming some new victory, and Ukraine would be calling them liars again. It got tiresome.

Russia clearly lies about losses, I am pretty sure that when Ukraine claimed to have shot dow that AWAC, they really did. Russia said that if the plane crashed into the Sea of Azov, it's only 30m deep, and would have shown up in satellite photos, but I have fished in lakes that deep, and I have my doubts. There was a claim that French special forces had hiked into Russia with a MANPAD, waiting until NATO told them that the plane was within range, it was a slow plane, and switched on the missile and shot it down. Two days later the Russians destroyed a hotel claimed to have been hosting a large number of French "advisors" and the next day, Macron got big mad, and authorized more money and weapons to Ukraine. So I am saying that the Russians were lying in that case.

But the Ukrainians lie constantly. They lose a city, send a small raiding party in that has zero chance of taking it back, then claim that the city is still contested.

I listen to Ukrainians and they talk about tactics, I listen to the Russian side, and they talk about territory gained. So how important were those tactics?

The Ukrainians seem to think that when the Russians reach Kiev, there will be a wave of patriotism, and thousands will flock to join the army. That is there hope. Time will tell.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Tacos? Deplorable. Wagyu beef.

Inga చెప్పారు...

“…kind of like a beaner - another disparaging term bigots use.”

I have a friend who lovingly calls me a “beaner-schnitzel” because I’m Austrian-American and I love Mexican food.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


Prof. M. Drout said...

Russia and the U.S. are 'natural' allies against China just as China and the U.S. were 'natural' allies against the USSR: because Russia and China are NOT 'natural' allies. They share a long, border with a very large imbalance of people and resources along that border. Russia has to fear, constantly, the creation of de facto "Chiberia" where China's much larger population encounters Siberia little-populated land.

I agree with this and the rest of your post. Pushing NATO into a war over Ukraine joining NATO was obviously not in the best interests of the United States.

But now you need to dig a bit deeper because if you strip away bullshit moral preening everyone in the world is a natural ally of the United States.

There is really no good reason for the United States to invade anyone. We are in an ideal place to make deals with anyone. Outside of some asinine fools like the Houthis who should just be wiped out as an example to the world we don't really need to do much.

At that point you need to start analyzing everything from a higher altitude. What happened in Ukraine did not happen in a vacuum. Putin knows he has lost political capital and half a generation of men. He would have happily signed the Mingsk accords. What are the Russian concerns?

When the United States helped Europe take out Kadafi every leader in the world was put on notice. Kadafi made deals with previous American Presidents and did everything he could within reason to work with Western powers.

Mommar Kadafi was rewarded with bombs and being drug through the streets with a broomstick shoved up his ass.

Putin knows the Europe and the Deep State US want the same for him.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


Eva Marie said...

I bet that London Times jerk thinks tacos are low class - that’s why he chose those particular words and all I hear is Trump’s a taco - kind of like a beaner - another disparaging term bigots use.

Latinx is worse.

Inga చెప్పారు...

“In the areas that Russia now occupies 90% of the little people voted for Yanukovich before he was thrown out in a coup.”

No, Viktor Yanukovych did not receive 90% of the vote in the 2010 Ukrainian presidential election.
In the runoff election held on February 7, 2010, Yanukovych received 48.95% of the votes, narrowly defeating his opponent Yulia Tymoshenko, who received 45.47%.
There was a significant number of voters (over 4%) who voted "against all candidates," reflecting widespread disillusionment with both options.
While Yanukovych enjoyed strong support in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, where he achieved high percentages (e.g., 76% in Donetsk, 71% in Lugansk, and 61% in Crimea), Tymoshenko secured a majority of votes in the center and west of the country, with over 70% in some regions, according to The Washington Post.
It is important to note: There was a referendum on Ukrainian independence in 1991 where around 90% of those who voted endorsed independence, but this is a separate event and should not be confused with the 2010 presidential election.”

Google AI

Jaq చెప్పారు...

All of this talk of Russian economic collapse is more projection:

Annual Real GDP Growth in Germany
Year GDP Growth (Real)
2022 +1.4 %
Bundesbank
+14
Wikipedia
+14
IMF
+14
2023 –0.3 %
Wikipedia
2024 –0.2 %
Wikipedia
Trading Economics
For 2025, forecasts and projections suggest stagnation or marginal growth:
The OECD projects GDP growth of 0% for 2025, with a rebound to +1.2 % in 2026.
\OECD
The European Commission expects stagnation in 2025 and moderate growth of approximately +1.1 % in 2026.
Economy and Finance
+2
Bundesbank
+2
According to Goldman Sachs, revised GDP growth is forecasted at +0.2 % for 2025.
Reuters
The Bundesbank also expects stagnation in 2025, with growth rising to +0.7 % in 2026.


Germany is the country the hardest hit by the sanctions. It thinks that by throwing out restrictions on borrowing, its economy is going to get stronger, but they cut themselves off from cheap Russian gas, and now they are saddled with an "energy transition" which you can read as paying twice as much to buy LNG from North America.

France is limping along at around 1% growth since the sanctions began. So is the UK. Unemployment in the UK is at a multi-year high.

So of course they have to lie to their people. "You think this is bad, you should see what we are doing to Ivan!"

Jaq చెప్పారు...

Remember when Crimeans voted for independence, and formed the Republic of Crimea at about the same time? Then in 1995, Ukraine annexed them by force, because a letter from a dead Soviet dictator who never asked any Crimean carried more weight than the plebiscite the Crimeans held? Of course the Ukrainians will point to another plebiscite where they said that they no longer wanted to be part of the Soviet Union, so picking and choosing which votes to honor is the how they roll.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Kiev is analogous to Berlin, when the Republic fell.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Latinx is worse.

Indeed, they are not social dysphoric, nor do they counsel confusion. The injection of alien subversive ideology was an insult to the men and women who populate those nations and communities.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

These are the people telling us that Trump is throwing away a winning hand.

the claim that Russia had hacked the DNC to help President Trump — was used to sabotage the 2018 Trump-Putin summit in Helsinki. Just three days before that meeting, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian nationals on charges of hacking the DNC. The indictment was designed to create political chaos. Mueller knew that the 12 Russians were located in Russia and would never stand trial, meaning he would never need to prove the case. The result of the indictments was exactly what Mueller, his team, and any yet-to-be-identified co-conspirators intended: to sabotage the summit and effectively criminalize diplomacy with Russia. - The Federalist

"No one knows what Mueller knows!" Ha ha ha ha ha! What a world, what a world.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

"There is really no good reason for the United States to invade anyone. We are in an ideal place to make deals with anyone."

Sounds like George Washington's farewell address. Presidents who won wars, like George and Dwight had some pretty interesting things to say.

wildswan చెప్పారు...

PS
When I speak of the "Russian Far West", (Wild Swan 3:06) I mean that the geographical area, the Russian Far East, resembles the American West in that both were absorbed in the 19th century by growing nations. They increased the size of those nations so substantially that in some ways neither area is yet fully incorporated culturally or even physically into its nation. Tribes talk about getting Turtle Island back and China talks about getting the north back. Yet both areas - the Russian "Far West" and the US Far West have substantial mineral wealth and agricultural or ranching potential so that handing them back or handing them over is not going to happen. Peacefully, anyhow. This resemblence is one aspect of US/Russian relations as I see them.

Jaq చెప్పారు...

As I take it from some YouTube commentaries, "agreement" was not the main thrust of the Russian word, more like "understanding" which is, of course, kind of an agreement, but less than a deal.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“Latinx is worse.”
Liberals love instructing, demeaning those they think are their inferiors.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

“I have a friend who lovingly calls me a “beaner-schnitzel” because I’m Austrian-American and I love Mexican food.”
So because you like Mexican food, you can insult Mexicans? I don’t think so.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Being Spaniard, Latinx is just stupid. Even calling Mexicans, Nicaraguans etc Spanish would be better. But thats one of your national conceits and you are entitled to be silly.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Claiming that one side in a war cannot win is simply a propaganda trope. Those claiming that ignore all sorts of historical precedent, where the stronger side has eventually gotten tired or lost interest. The US has done this quite a bit in spite of what should be overwhelming strength. And so has Russia.

Eva Marie చెప్పారు...

My bad. I called the guy a London Times jerk when he’s really a Financial Times jerk. It figures.

narciso చెప్పారు...

es una cosa de locura, but it doesn't stop stupid people from entertaining it,

putins regime is of the type that herman kahn recognized in the 70s, as a ideological renewal regime, an authoritarian political system along capitalist lines, often with religious overtones, (more often catholic then orthodox) like Horthy's Hungary or Salazar's Portugal, if he was a communist he would be celebrated in the West like Xi, who has been responsible for 10-12 million dead, although this was more like Marshal Haotian project, one of last of Maos original generation,

narciso చెప్పారు...

after 20 years, no matter how pure our cause was, we lost in Afghanistan, catastrophically, the anniversary happened not so long ago, it was barely mentioned by the former command staff that was all hepped up on this current Caucasus crackup

buwaya చెప్పారు...

The German problem is not due to a lack of cheap gas. If you want to blame energy policy you can point to the "green" nonsense that has caused immense malinvestment. Germany has simply thrown away nuke and coal assets as well, beginning, nota bene, in 2022.
Becoming dependent on piped gas from a sole foreign source is a huge strategic hazard. The US has been against that, in the case of Europe in general, since the 1960s. Conversely this was an objective of the USSR. It was also popular among a certain tribe of German politicians, who were paid off at various times by the Soviets AND the Russians - the SPD has a lot to answer for, and yet another instance of Russia resembling the USSR.
The "globalists" of one sort were all for this btw. Trump opposed it as did the foreign policy establishment. Which is why approving Nordstream II was one of Bidens first acts in 2021. There is no united front of foreign and domestic enemies of the US, there are all sorts of entities, interests and points of view, and they are not united against all Americans living in rural shacks.
The Eastern Euros were also against it, which is why Polands Duda got his own pipeline from Norway.
Not often mentioned is that in 2022 Finland and the Baltics have also shifted mostly to US/Norwegian LNG.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

The US got tired of Afghanistan. Or bored.

narciso చెప్పారు...

nearly a quarter century after september 11th, who actually won, that contest,

Big Mike చెప్పారు...

It is symbolic that, not far away from here, the border between Russia and the US, there was a so-called International Date Line. I think you can step over, literally, from yesterday into tomorrow, and I hope that's- will succeed in that, in the political sphere.

I don’t believe that there’s any place north of Antarctica where you can “step over” the International Date Line because it was drawn from pole to pole to be entirely atop water except where you can’t (because the South Pole is in the center of Antarctica). It more or less follows the 180 degree line of longitude, with jogs specifically to see to it that the line never comes ashore until there is no alternative. But Russians love their poets and maybe Putin thinks a bit poetically.

I vividly recall the look of shock on the face of a friend when he learned that Alaska actually does border Russia. He was not stupid — an engineering degree from Stanford and later a Harvard MBA — but he simply didn’t know and thus had joined in Tina Fey’s ignorant mockery.

The dividing line runs along the International Date Line between Big Diomede and Little Diomede. The former belongs to Russia and native Inuit are not permitted to live there. I understand that it is home to a weather station and a small military garrison. Little Diomede is part of Alaska and does have a native civilian population. Interestingly, Big Diomede is nicknamed “Tomorrow Island” and Little Diomede is, of course, nicknamed “Yesterday Island.”

buwaya చెప్పారు...

The Saudi state is a lot less fundamentalist these days. Ditto the Gulf Arabs and Egyptians - they had their chance but the public disliked them. So Bin Laden-Zawahiris gang lost.

Big Mike చెప్పారు...

I find it funny that the lefty trolls commenting on this thread like to start with the assumption that Donald Trump is a dolt, and then they apply circular logic to “prove” that he’s a dolt. We shall see who the dolts are.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

In re German GDP, its neighbors France, Belgium and the Netherlands, none of which used Russian piped gas to any significant degree, have also suffered from slow growth in 2023-24. Spain however is doing quite well (2.8% in 2024).

narciso చెప్పారు...

the Netherlands was until recently drying to drive it's farmer out of business, because skydragon, the Belgians after showing some sensible leadership has let the left influence their politics,

Yancey Ward చెప్పారు...

"What would have happened would be the FSB and similar agencies would have rounded up thosands, or hundreds of thousands, and murdered or incarcerated them. These units were included in the task force dispatched from Belorussia, and they were already practicing their trade in the towns north of Kiev. To add, the end of Ukrainian idependence, cultural erasure, and a few million more refugees would have fled to Europe.
What would happen if the Red Chinese took California?


That answer is pretty much bullshit, Buwaya. Yes, the present Ukrainian government would probably have been persona non grata in a Russian ruled Ukraine but that isn't what I asked about. I asked about the average Ukrainian citizen. Tell me in what way Ukraine is better off having fought this losing war when it could have fought a guerilla war after occupation, much the way you implied the Afghanis did to the Soviets and the U.S.?

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...

The US got tired of Afghanistan. Or bored.

Betrayed.

We knew where all of the Taliban were. We could have killed them in a month. Completely wiped them out. We could have made the mention of their name anathema.

We were not sent to Afghanistan to win, or to make the country better, or even punish our enemies.

We were sent to Afghanistan to die and to lose. Everyone in Washington DC including the people in the Pentagon hated us and used us to get rich.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

A guerilla war is much harder on the civilian population, if the counter-guerillas are serious about it. A conventional war at least has an implied promise of civiluan separation from the fighting save for a limited degree of aerial bombardment.
And it wouldnt just be "the present Ukrainian government" that would be persona non grata. It would be the bulk of the population, going by the experience north of Kiev and in Kherson. In all other major population centers taken by the Russians the vast majority of the residents fled.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


Inga said...

“In the areas that Russia now occupies 90% of the little people voted for Yanukovich before he was thrown out in a coup.”

No, Viktor Yanukovych did not receive 90% of the vote in the 2010 Ukrainian presidential election.
In the runoff election held on February 7, 2010, Yanukovych received 48.95% of the votes, narrowly defeating his opponent Yulia Tymoshenko, who received 45.47%.
There was a significant number of voters (over 4%) who voted "against all candidates," reflecting widespread disillusionment with both options.
While Yanukovych enjoyed strong support in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, where he achieved high percentages (e.g., 76% in Donetsk, 71% in Lugansk, and 61% in Crimea), Tymoshenko secured a majority of votes in the center and west of the country, with over 70% in some regions, according to The Washington Post.
It is important to note: There was a referendum on Ukrainian independence in 1991 where around 90% of those who voted endorsed independence, but this is a separate event and should not be confused with the 2010 presidential election.”

Google AI


Hard to tell if you are being stupid or dishonest.

I was very specific.

In the 2010 Ukrainian presidential election, Viktor Yanukovych received 90.4% of the vote in the Donetsk province during the second round of voting on February 7, 2010.

You attempt to ignore the different factions in Ukraine just like you try to ignore the Azov battalion.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Yanukovych campaigned on joining the EU btw, not on joining Russia.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...

Yanukovych campaigned on joining the EU btw, not on joining Russia.

Russia wanted to join the EU and NATO.

Why weren't they allowed to?

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Because the EU went through a period of not letting any more in. Ukraine had to jump through endless hoops over @20 years before the EUnuchs finally agreed in 2013. Cheering. And then Yanukovych then turned on a dime in 2013 and said never mind. That really is when all this started.
Turkey is still not in the EU after @37 years, in spite of being in NATO since 1952.

Dr Weevil చెప్పారు...

By the time Yanukovych abandoned his post and fled to his puppet-master Putin, he had lost the support of nearly all of his voters, even in eastern Ukraine. Half a million turned out to celebrate his departure in Donetsk, the biggest city in the Donbas.

This was partly because he openly betrayed his promise of closer integration with the European Onion, partly because his uniformed and ununiformed thugs slaughtered ~100 peaceful demonstrators, partly because he'd spent his 4 years in office taking 30-50% of the profits of 7,000 businesses in Ukraine, amassing a net worth of $12 billion on a salary that never exceeded $2,000 a month.

After Parliament voted to remove him, an election was held. His party's candidate (Dubkin) won 3.07% of the vote. Even 11 1/2 years later, he's one of the two most hated politicians in Ukraine.

Finally, for those who like to go on about Azov and Bandera, he's on record denying that the Holodomor was a genocide, and defending Stalin's secret police. From the 'Holodomor' section of his Wikipedia article:

"Yanukovych's press service claims that he does not approve of crimes of the KGB and their predecessors in Soviet times, however, in 2002, he wrote a foreword to a book by two ex-KGB agents endorsing the KGB and its predecessors, stating that the NKVD and Cheka 'firmly stood on guard over the interests of our people and the state' and praised them for launching 'a struggle against political extremism, sabotage and criminal activities.' He also wrote that 'Donbas Chekists under any conditions have done and do their high duty with honor'." He was, in short, a total shit, and he very likely stole the 2010 election, as he tried to steal the 2004 election: his opponent (Tymoshenko) refused to concede, and he locked her up on obviously bogus charges for his entire term in office.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...

Because the EU went through a period of not letting any more in.

Of course.

Why did NATO take out Gadafi? Do you know?

DO you know what Europe was doing in the Sahel region?

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Because Khadaffi pissed everyone off once too often, the last were the French. And then there was a anti-Khadaffi rebellion in Benghazi and it seemed a good thing to support. Opportunism. France has had colonial interests in the Sahel, mainly Mali, forever. Goes back to guys like Mangin and Marchand in the 19th century. Ref "Conquest of the Sahara", Douglas Porch. France only left colonies that were too much trouble to hold, the rest they kept. They ran into Khadaffi several times, most famously in Chad, the "Toyota Wars". Also Mali was a source of uranium for the vast French nuclear power industry.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

Khadaffi had a long , long rap sheet. He was effectively a Soviet ally for decades. He let them have bases and anchorages, and places for KGB/MVD do whatever, like train eurocommunist creeps like the German Baader-Meinhof gang. He supplied funds and weapons to the IRA and the Red Army Faction and to the MNLF in the Philippines. He sent troops to many bits of Africa, besides Mali and Chad, Uganda (in support of Idi Amin), armed guerillas to the Sudan, Algeria, Western Sahara, Egypt, Syria, at least 20 revolutionary or terrorist gangs. It really quite an astounding record of trouble making.
A lot of people had "issues" with him. In the end he had few friends anywhere.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


buwaya said...

Because Khadaffi pissed everyone off once too often, the last were the French.

That makes war OK then. Got it. Kadafi made people mad so bombs away.

Now Libya has open air slave auctions. But at least France got to rape Northern Africa a bit longer. And France and Europe needed the US to do it. They couldn't do it on their own so the US enabled Europe's colonial ambitions.

You know why France/Europe recently lost their colonies in the Sahel? You know who the Northern African countries view as liberators?

buwaya చెప్పారు...

The Russians bought a couple of military coups. They paid off a few chiefs. Its going cost them to keep those guys paid. The rest of those populations still want to move to Paris.

Dr Weevil చెప్పారు...

Sahel dictators like having Afrika Korps* around because they help keep them in power. Their subjects hate the AK Russians, who like to rape 14-year-olds.

*Formerly Wagner Group, after Hitler's favorite composer.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Meanwhile Trump and Putin just said out loud what everyone knew.

If Trump was president this war never happens because Trump would never invite Ukraine to join NATO.

I said before Biden became president that if Biden takes power he is going to start at least one war and then make sure the US loses it in the most humiliating way possible because he has voted for that so many times in his career.

Here we are.

buwaya చెప్పారు...

They are right, if Trump had been President in 2021-22 Putin wouldnt have dared to try it. But Biden was weak and did bs like permitting Nordstream II and running out of Afghanistan. Putin thought he could get away with it. It was supposed to be a quick coup de main, the way prepared by the FSB with heavy bribery. Didnt work, and then he was stuck.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

The BBC and the UK press are hysterically anti-Russian and anti-Putin. They've spent 3 1/2 years worshipping Zelensky and writing puff pieces about him, not to mention constant centering ever story as "Is this good for the Ukraine?". Now we get this from the BBC:

"In his 25 years as Russian president, Putin has achieved complete control over the media, crushing media freedoms and replacing information with propaganda. Within Russia he doesn't often – if ever – come up against unfriendly reporters."

No, the Russian MSM operates just like the UK MSM and the USA MSM. 90 percent of the reporters write the same stories in the same way. They march in lockstep. And support the views of the power elite.

The only difference is the power elite in Russia is Pro-Putin. And its rather laughable to hear the BBC talk about "press freedom" given Zelensky censors the Ukrainian press and has banned opposition news outlets.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

The "Press" at the Trump/Putin summitt behaved in their usual vulgar way shouting questions at the top their voices, and demanding to be answered. Putin just smirked at them. This was deemed "cryptic" by the BBC. Its wasn't cryptic it was disdainful. He was shocked at what braying jackasses they were. Evidently the Press in Russia is "Controlled" in more ways then one.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

buwaya said...
They are right, if Trump had been President in 2021-22 Putin wouldnt have dared to try it. But Biden was weak and did bs like permitting Nordstream II and running out of Afghanistan. Putin thought he could get away with it. It was supposed to be a quick coup de main, the way prepared by the FSB with heavy bribery. Didnt work, and then he was stuck.

No. This is western propaganda. Stop.

Putin invaded because zelensky reneged on signing the mingsk agreement and Biden/harris said they would try to add Ukraine to NATO.

Putin has been clear that he views NATO as aggressive and expansionist and a threat to his rule in Russia and that Ukraine joining NATO is a red line.

The part where you go wrong is when you try to say NATO good Russia bad. The NATO driven 2014 coup in Ukraine was far more overt than anything Russia has done to install a puppet government in their satellites. NATO countries have puppet governments all around the world where they abuse the native people and taught Russia how to do it.

Post Berlin Wall NATO lost its original purpose and ever since it broke its promise to not go into ne inch east it just became a vehicle for expansion of European territorial interests so they could do the same thing to Northen Asia that they were doing in Northern Africa.

Peachy చెప్పారు...

Inag has racists for friends. Go figure.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Did you catch their exchanging sympathy for their mutual plight as victims of the "Russia thing" in Anchorage?

The KGB/FSB are brilliant: acting in plain sight using Trump as their microphone.

“He just wants a quick deal,” another senior Ukrainian official said.

That is precisely what is going on. Washington is all show; substance dies every day in Ukraine.

Trump was 100% completely played by Putin in a three-hour meeting. The cave looks pretty complete. Or was Trump always on board with Putin's agenda and the rest was just for show?

Did Witkoff set this up in his preliminary meetings with Putin, or more likely did Putin read Witkoff like the comic book he is.

The crumbling sound going on in the background is the worldwide sound of the collapse of American global leadership.

With Ukraine and Gaza, American foreign policy is now a moral catastrophe.

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Ming is a Chinese dynasty. Minsk is a Belarusian city. Anyone who writes 'Mingsk', as Achilles has done twice just on this thread, demonstrates such gross ignorance of Eurasian geopolitics as to make everything else he writes incredible.

Of course, the Minsk Accords were violated by the Russians and their Donbas puppets from the day they were signed, thus making them null and void. By the way, when were they signed? September 2014. Zelenskyy was elected in 2019, which means only an utter moron could write that "zelensky reneged on signing the mingsk agreement" even if he could get the spelling and capitalization right.

Everything else Achilles writes here is also false: the Maidan Revolution was not in fact a coup, it was not "NATO driven", though Victoria Newland tried to jump on the bandwagon after it was already rolling, and Zelenskyy is not a puppet.

Whether Achilles is a willing first-hand purveyor of Russian propaganda or an unwitting second- or third- or fourth-hand purveyor hardly matters. He is certainly one or the other.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Achilles (and MAGA) uses words like Jackson Pollack used paint: in no discernible pattern and distracting from the truth of the underlying pure white canvas.

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Kakistocracy said...

Achilles (and MAGA) uses words like Jackson Pollack used paint: in no discernible pattern and distracting from the truth of the underlying pure white canvas.

Just another post where Rich demonstrates he is too stupid to actually deal with the points that I made.

Kakistocracy చెప్పారు...

Notice Achilles doesn’t address Dr Weevil’s points ….

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