"The university will also issue formal apologies to every biological female competitor who lost out to a transgender competitor following an investigation by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR). The probe found UPenn violated Title IX by 'allowing a male to compete in female athletic programs and occupy female-only intimate facilities.' 'Today’s resolution agreement with UPenn is yet another example of the Trump effect in action...' Secretary of Education Linda McMahon said in a statement...."
From "Trans UPenn swimmer Lia Thomas will be stripped of her titles after university bends the knee to Trump admin" (NY Post).
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94 కామెంట్లు:
Stripped of HIS titles, to be exact.
Well I've just lost all respect i had for Penn Athletics. Bowing to a bully is not in my lexicon.
They're, of course, keeping the $50 million a year they're spending on DEI.
They said it like it was a bad thing.
Some tranzpyrsnz might say such an action is a dagger in the heart of tranz-visibility, which I agree is correct and am totally fine with.
Bully? How about all the women who were bullied by this MAN and the trans-activist Mafia?
Good for Penn. Now, as for Amy Wax...
You have more to make up for over here as well. You can't punish the truth and have it stand. Time will find you out.
One of the nice results from this controversy was that Riley Gaines has become a national figure.
victoria said...
“Well I've just lost all respect i had for Penn Athletics. Bowing to a bully is not in my lexicon.”
To each his/her own. I felt that Penn bowed to the gender bullies when they allowed William Thomas to compete against women. There was never any question that he was a man, and remains so to this day. What are some of the reasons you believe he should compete against women?
This is long overdue, but not enough.
Places like UPenn and other universities need to face criminal prosecutions and fines for outright fraud. There needs to be Kefauver-esque hearings. And some of these bloated corruption mills need to shut down.
A heart-felt thanks to Riley Gaines, who has stood firm, despite all the threats and violence the left has attacked her with for standing for truth and biological reality.
I guess, per Victoria, bullying is in the eye of the beholder.
Maynard, "nice". Riley Gaines is the puppet and nouthpiece of the right. She was not even a very good .competitive swimmer. Her beef with Lia Thomas stems from the fact that she was beaten out for 9th place, seriously. She would have never made it to the Olympics, EVER.
No Marty, he is, objectively a bully.
Victoria is siding with the men against the women, which suggests that he is another guy who likes to pretend to be a woman.
@tcrosse, How Victor Became Victoria, The Tootsie Story
Good result. This is about more than schools. What about conferences and the almighty NCAA?
Women being robbed of recognition of their excellence by “men” and competition sponsors is no different than athletes of any sex being unable to win against rivals doped-up with performance enhancing drugs.
“She was not even a very good competitive swimmer”
Grok, what say you?
- SEC Champion: She won the 200-yard butterfly at the 2022 Southeastern Conference (SEC) Championships, setting a school record with a time of 1:51.51.
- All-American Honors: Gaines was a 12-time NCAA All-American, showcasing consistent excellence at the national level.
- Olympic Trials Qualifier: She qualified for the U.S. Olympic Trials in 2020 (held in 2021 due to COVID-19), competing in the 200-meter butterfly and 200-meter freestyle.
- School Records: She holds Kentucky school records in the 200-yard butterfly (1:51.51) and as part of several relay teams.
- SEC Performances: Named to the All-SEC First Team in 2020, 2021, and 2022, and she was the SEC Female Swimmer of the Meet in 2022 after scoring 116 points at the conference championships.
Seems pretty good to me.
Well I've just lost all respect i had for Penn Athletics. Bowing to a bully is not in my lexicon.
The bully is the man who was swimming against women, you twit.
If he’s being stripped of his titles, then that includes being called a swimming champion.
That’s a start. How about a nice hefty civil penalty and a consent order requiring Penn to remediate all the damage it has done to its female students?
"From "Trans UPenn swimmer Lia Thomas will be stripped of HIS titles after university bends the knee to COMMON SENSE" (NY Post).
Fixed it for them.
Italics off.
She was not even a very good .competitive swimmer.
You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about. She finished 5th in the NCAA championships in the 200 free.
Fifth. In the nation. Got that?
Fifth. Nationally.
Vicky, no one was forcing Lia Thomas to live life as a male, not even the women he competed against. If Thomas had any integrity at all he would have simply stopped swimming altogether or continued to compete on the men's team despite the transition which was open to him all along.
I wonder if Victoria ever competed in a sport. I think not. If you’re giving your all, it matters to you if you’re the 39th place finisher and not the 40th.
No, tcrosse, just standing up for human rights, you righties do know what that is, don't you? All is see is you all treating transgender people, illegal immigrants and non Christians as less than, not human. Compassion, not part of the right wing's value system. Saying you're all Christians when you are clearly not, wearing crosses to "profess" your faith while all along persecuting people. And the worst, wearing flag lapel pins and thinking you are a patriot because you have the accoutrements of a patriot, without the patriotism. Not you personally, those of your ilk.
He shouldn’t have cheated. But he did.
NPK actually was a competitive swimmer in my youth, and a competitive tennis player. Never top ranked, but never was Riley.
NPK, I'll bet you like to give out participation trophies too. Gag
"Her beef with Lia Thomas stems from the fact that she was beaten out for 9th place,"
What's up with the photo of her standing next to William on the podium? Two different races, I assume.
Leave it to Vicki to defend the indefensible.
"Never top ranked, but never was Riley."
Never had to compete against a man, did ya?
Gaines was a 12-time NCAA All-American. You don’t think that’s very good?
"Her beef with Lia Thomas stems from the fact that she was beaten out for 9th place,"
No. She TIED Thomas for 5th. But he was given the fifth place trophy.
Good grief. If you can't even get the basic shit correct, why should we bother with anything else you say?
"Saying you're all Christians when you are clearly not,"
You're right. I'm an atheist.
Homosexual? Maybe. Misogynistic progress is mitigated when simulants are not conflated with the opposite sex.
Misogynistic pride? #HateLovesAbortion
The only bully in this story was wearing a swimsuit and pretending to be female. Poor progs are losing her brave heros. Once Penn gets over the intense suffering brought on by this loss of respect, I wonder if they'll admit why they caved? It couldn't have been easy for them - but this was done with very little clarification, just this terse announcement. Can somebody please take a seat, spread their legs a little for comfort, and mansplain it to me?
Related question: why do transactivists not clamor to have FTM transmen compete in men's sports?
They used to be "in the closet".
How many went undetected?
As the judging improved, rule-bending turned into gender-bending. Dora Ratjen, fourth in the women's high jump in Berlin in 1936, was actually a man called Hermann. And Stanislawa Walasiewicz, who won the women's 100m in Los Angeles in 1932, turned out on death to have had "primary male characteristics". Ironically, when Walasiewicz lost her title in Berlin in 1936, a fellow Pole wrongly accused the new champion, Helen Stephens, of being a man.
Rumours that some women were not made entirely of sugar and spice rumbled on through the 1950s. Then came the Ukrainian sisters, Tamara and Irina Press, who won five golds between them in 1960 and 1964, amid whispers that they had been injected with male hormones - or even that they did not need them as they were male to start with.
Compulsory sex-testing was introduced in the mid-1960s -and the Presses stopped. The first athlete to fail a sex test was Poland's Eva Klobukowska, who had won a sprint-relay gold and a 100m bronze in Tokyo in 1964.
Those early tests were not exactly scientific. Britain's Mary Peters, the 1972 pentathlon champion, remembers being "ordered to lie on the couch and pull my knees up. The doctors then proceeded to undertake an examination which, in modern parlance, amounted to a grope. Presumably they were looking for hidden testes. They found none and I left."
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Sebastian. FTMs competing in male sports is meaningless because biological females do it all the time.
"Saying you're all Christians when you are clearly not"
In Paul's "F you" letter to the Ephesians, he specifically saideth thou shalt not tuck thine junk in thine speedo and forceth thy women to labor against thee unfairly in thy pool. Paul said, "F you Ephesians, that wasn't a very christian thing to do!"
I'm an expert on chriztianity and you can't possibly know more than me about it. See, two can play that game, and that game is really tired.
Victoria is a lunatic. And an ignorant one at that--she has trouble marshalling basic and easily determined facts. But her feelings are totally in order about biologically influenced athletic competitions...biological men should beat biological women if they feel like it.
Penn will probably end up paying Thomas a bundle.
Hate to see it.
You're right. I'm an atheist.
@Otiginal Mike, me too.
I always doubted Thomas.
They could have worked out a deal with Thomas, that they would let him keep his awards in exchange for chopping off his dick and balls. That would be a test of his sincerity about being a woman. Except that would only make him a eunuch and not a woman.
The left is capable of much nuttiness, but the idea that a man who claims he's a woman should be allowed to compete against women in physical contests really takes the cake.
The saddest thing about all this is the way the Trump administration had to lean on UPenn to get them to do the obviously sensible thing — it’s pretty obvious that William Thomas never was serious about actually transitioning. No genital surgery, no estrogen therapy, Thomas could father a child tomorrow if he had a girlfriend (and she was ovulating).
It’s crazy to me that female competitive swimmers can fail a drug test and be bared for exceeding testosterone limits, yet Thomas was (formerly) allowed to keep his championships and trophies because he gets his testosterone naturally from his testes and not from injection.
Victoria - wow you are embarrassing. No wonder you identify with the modern corrupt democratic party.
Banned, not bared. I apologize for the typo
"Lia Thomas, the swimmer who won a US women’s national college championship event last week, is a man. It is because he is a man – with a body that is taller, broader and stronger than his female competitors – that he won the NCAA competition. When swimming alongside other men, which Thomas used to do, HE ranked an unremarkable 554th in the college league tables.
William Thomas - is a man, who needs to win and can only do so as a woman.
"Riley Gaines has become a national figure."
and WHAT a figure!
Astonishing that the leftist disease - is able to stand shoulder to shoulder with the crush women movement.
"William Thomas - is a man, who needs to win and can only do so as a woman."
I'm not going to guess as to his motives. I don't care about his motives. I care about the unfairness of it, and I care about the ludicrousness of it.
Riley Gaines was welcomed by the "right" - because you A-hole leftists prefer men in women's sports and spaces.
So much for your feminism.
And speaking of ludicrous, is the administration going to have to do this individually with every college?
More:
"Without knowing that Thomas is a man, it is hard to understand why his victory has been so controversial and sparked headlines all around the world. It is impossible to comprehend the anger of champion swimmer Reka Gyorgy, denied a place in the freestyle final thanks to Thomas’s inclusion. A man prevented women competitors, including an Olympic medalist, from receiving the titles they had earned. His presence made the competition fundamentally unjust.
Yet the language used to describe Thomas’s victory makes it difficult to grasp the reality of what happened last week at the McAuley Aquatic Center in Atlanta, Georgia. Everywhere, in almost every print and online publication, Thomas is referred to as ‘she’. We are told that ‘she’ stood on the podium to receive ‘her’ medal. The US National Women’s Law Center, tweeted in support of Thomas and branded critics ‘misogynists’. To the Guardian, Thomas is a ‘transgender woman’, while the BBC suggests Thomas is the ‘first known transgender athlete to win [the] NCAA swimming title’ (the implication being there may have been plenty of other transgender swimming champions, but we’ve just never heard of them)."
Will Thomas is a man.
Spiked: Joanna Williams:
"Playing fast and loose with language in this way, making it bend to match political objectives and social niceties, ends up distorting our perception of reality. If ‘she’ takes first place in a women’s event, nothing remarkable has occurred. Our capacity to push back and challenge the reality before our eyes – a man beating women – is then seriously thwarted. "
The deceptive language of the leftist language police.
"She / Her" pronouns - do not turn a biological male into a woman.
This is not hard.
Vikkki - You're just a leftist bigot.
I have asked, over and over and over, for someone to explain why they want men to be allowed to compete in women’s athletics. I have never - not once, ever - received an answer other than some variation of “you’re a bigot.” I think if there was some honest argument to make I would have heard it by now.
If men can compete against women, why can’t women compete against children?
It's like someone forced the world to come to their senses.
"If men can compete against women, why can’t women compete against children?"
Ya know, sometimes someone really distills the essence of an issue.
My hat's off to you!
Rabel said...
Penn will probably end up paying Thomas a bundle.
Then let that be a lesson to UPenn for their folly. It is their own fault for falling to that trap in the first place.
Riley Gaines deserves a ton of credit. Congratulations on getting your medals and records back, Riley.
Intersex women have a history in women's sports, and it's often been a tragic one. Will Thomas was just a dude, a sports bro, who wanted to win and didn't mind wearing a dress.
Good start. Now let the lawsuits for millions in emotional damage and lost opportunities be filed against NCAA, UPenn and everyone else involved from the administrators to the on-site judges and heck even the person with the starter pistol who didn't put a stop to this at the time.
Leftists are so in love with their disease, leftist females refuse to help other women.
Will Thomas was just a dude, a sports bro, who wanted to win and didn't mind wearing a dress.
@Lazarus, other things Will Thomas didn’t mind doing: watch his female teammates change clothes and shower, and wag his penis in front of them.
and WHAT a figure!
@gilbar, she’s seven months pregnant.
Just more of what I voted for. Nope, not nearly tired of winning. Thank you President Hero.
If men can compete against women, why can’t women compete against children?
They do. It's called Motherhood.
Wm Empson in The Structure of Complex Words notes that the Egyptians had a word meaning "a woman or child," and wondered what interest it came from. Perhaps "no good for fighting," he speculated.
This is precisely what I voted for.
- Krumhorn
Symbolic wins for you, meade...
In other news, Sarah McBride and Tammy Baldwin worked to ensure gender-affirming medical care is financed by Medicaid for those with this medical need.
Tip a glass for Riley's 9th place medal coming home, was it? Fifth place? Her pro swimming career is over at the college level, but I too like fair sportsmanship and hope the gals who were afraid to speak up timely and fell in line conforming to what their coaches and administrators told them they had to do feel vindicated, not victimized. Why is it hard for gals to speak up to authority figures like coaches, professors or administrators, I wonder? Athletes are not really the leaders we pretend. Maybe the non-conformists have a place in our society too?
Anyway, enjoy your win(s), meade! Happy Independence Day to you and the missus, and I hope she plans a swell domestic day of bliss for the two of yous in the BigHouse or the public gardens... That Oriental palace is pretty this time of year, and isn't there always a bratwurst bash for the Memorial, Independence, Labor day celebrations? You also could be test prepping for the LSAT so you could get a law degree and "fight back" to make America a better place and fairer for all in the future...? Anyway, enjoy your win. I bet you could send Riley's baby girl a nice prezzy with the amazon points you and ann have built up. That lil one will win an Olympic gold one day for sure! Men like you have ensured women won't be victimized in the lockerrrooms anymore. Cheers to your win, mate!
Will Thomas now known as The Mess in a Dress.
Big Mike said...
and WHAT a figure!
@gilbar, she’s seven months pregnant.
well, NOW; yeah,
but back when this started.. and in 4 more months...
They stripped a transgender? How awful.
Filed under the danger of only reading part of a headline.
"She was not even a very good .competitive swimmer."
Ah simple minded parroting a meme from the left. As is said about Trump but, apparently no one else, "stated without evidence".
Anyone that looked AT ALL would see she had an outstanding swimming career (noted above). But, hey, never check facts or let facts stand in the way of hateful lying.
HE was a very poor competitive swimmer when he swam against other men. Hence the mascaraed as a woman. And why by comparison Ms. Gaines was a great swimmer.
JAORE - precisely
8:39+8:48
The left's loyal females do not care about females. they only care about repeated leftist crap and lies. It's a disease. A cult.
Will Thomas is a fraud. Is it any wonder the left rally to his cause?
No.
Better late than never.
Anybody getting tired of winning?
As Joe Biden would say......"this is a big effing deal"
PS Not yet tired of winning.
The left is just getting dumber every day. They didn't have to give Trump all the credit like this. They could have said, what we did was not based in science or reason and was unfair so we fixed it. TDS has somehow lowered the IQ of half the country by 50 points. It's a national mental health crisis.
I love leftists. They manage to make me feel smarter every day by the stupid, illogical, and self-contradicting shit they do and say. Thank you.
The Emperor has no clothes on! Why are so many people claiming that the Emperor has beautiful new clothes? Can we not believe the obvious before our eyes?
Interested Bystander said...
"Riley Gaines deserves a ton of credit. Congratulations on getting your medals and records back, Riley."
The woman is a rock star. Not just as a swimmer, but because she stood up for what is good and right and just.
Vicki really doubled down on her senseless propaganda. Nobody is questioning Thomas' humanity, Vicki. They're question why she has a dick.
Victoria, you are welcome to join Thomas in the pool, since you have no problem inn joining his campaign of deception, fraud, and voyeurism.
Please just make sure you drain the water out first before you dive in.
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