"Mr. Boelter was appointed to the panel, the Minnesota Governor’s Workforce Development Board, in 2016 by a Democratic former governor, Mark Dayton. The board has 41 members appointed by the governor, and its members try to improve business development in the state. He was later reappointed by Gov. Tim Walz, also a Democrat.... Governor Walz has said that the shooting 'appears to be a politically motivated assassination,' though the exact motive for the attack is not yet clear. Voters do not declare political affiliation when they register in Minnesota, and a state report connected to the work force board listed Mr. Boelter’s affiliation as 'none or other' in 2016. A similar report in 2020 listed him as having 'no party preference.' But David Carlson, a roommate and close friend of Mr. Boelter’s, said Mr. Boelter voted for Donald J. Trump last year and was particularly passionate about opposing abortion...."
I believe Carlson said those things after the shootings had taken place.
"U.S. Senator Tina Smith, Democrat of Minnesota, said in an interview that the gunman had a notebook with a list of names that included hers and those of other lawmakers, all of whom were Democrats. The list included about 70 potential targets, a federal law enforcement official said, including doctors, community and business leaders, and locations for Planned Parenthood and other health care centers. Some of the targets were in neighboring states."
Is Tina Smith the only source of this information? What's the basis of her knowledge? And why is the NYT presenting the information like that?
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"And why is the NYT presenting the information like that?"
This is no time for humor. Yesterday, the hit list included 'Republicans', but I see that is no longer appearing in the narrative that is being built across media outlets. I hope this nonconformity was properly punished.
He seems a lot like the second would-be assassin of Trump this summer. Also like the Las Vegas shooter.
but but but he's a MAGA! - we are to ignore that fact that two democratic governors appointed him. Ignore that please.
Yes - and we are at a place, sadly, where we do not Trust leftist source. It is a requirement on the left to trust leftist source. We will then be lectured to trust leftist source, and if we dare question leftist source, the minions roll out the Rolling Stone/Salon/Vanity Fair/NYT/MSNBC You’re a crazy! conspiracy theorist!, & You must obey leftist source.’
Even tho the left minions continue un-apologetically to delude themselves with debunked Russia Russia Collusion conspiracy theories and other vastly spread leftist lies about horse paste, and "good people on both sides", and bleach drinking... and so on - without any problems.
An awful lot of what is generally called "hearsay" being peddled here. Did the guy not have any online presence? He seems to have been politically active and a self-promoter. Anti-abortion zealots are generally not shy about expressing their views. *Yet all the NYT comes up with is this?
*Anti-abortion/pro-life people are not all or even mostly "zealots". But somebody willing to assassinate politicians over abortion may be properly termed a zealot by definition.
Surprise it both conflicts with and adds support to some prior reports. Initial police statements said the list was 70 political figures "of both parties." Note also there are many pro-life Democrats and pro-Abortion Republicans. Politics isn't as binary as the shitheaded analysis and spin this story is getting.
He was obviously a Democrat when appointed to the board by two Democrat governors. He's a Democrat. Maybe he even voted for Trump. But he's a Democrat. A DFL member. A lot of Democrats nationwide voted for Trump this last time. That's why he improved his performance in every single county in the country versus 2020.
We may all have to come to consensus opinion the guy was a fucking wacko murderer who hated politicians.
Recall Facebook locked down his account. why?
I doubt a single member of the GOp will be allowed to see the notebook.
What is particularly interesting to me is that not one member of the mainstream media is trying to discover how this guy funded his life given his own descriptions of his work history. Follow the money is apparently a lost art in today's journolism.
Asking questions is not allowed. Obey the narrative.
Obey the leftists source.
Yancey - exactly - when news started to trickle out - USAID came to my mind. people get really angry when their government gravy train is cut off.
Xed just now by Dustin Grage (with photo of a propped up foot from her POV):
"Yvette Hoffman—who was shot eight times by Vance Boelter—just shared this photo from her hospital bed. She shielded her daughter from Boelter to save her life. This is a hero—and an iconic image."
MN Tina could have told us that instead of her partisan hackery.
Alpha News's @lizcollin posted the supposed hit list on X last night, of you want to see that. Apparently copies were circulated to law enforcement to make sure the listees were protected.
This good friend doesn’t exist.
The New York Times are liars.
The baseline position by any intelligent honest person is you shouldn’t trust a single word from the NYTs:
Ann is doing society a disservice by giving them any credence or respect.
Passionate about opposing [elective] abortion? Apparently, he is Pro-Choice. A member of a progressive sect? A "burden" is a burden is a "burden". And a spouse of a "burden" is a "burden" with a spouse a la friends with "benefits". The list of Planned Parenthood abortion chambers was probably a shout out and reminder of where he could legally perform human rites for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress, while sequestering the "burden" of evidence with liberal consent and shared responsibility.
So did he have a pizza delivery roommate or was he married with 5 kids? Both seems pretty unlikely. Why are the facts of every political assassination or attempt always so confused and unclear. It seems like a long standing M.O. for some group with power and expertise in such things.
I find it interesting that we are told he targeted Democrats because of their pro-abortion views, although there is no evidence to support that assertion. Maybe if there was such a thing as a pro-life Democrat, then if that person wasn't on his list, abortion could be a motivator. Sadly no such pro-life Democrat exists.
NYT is infamous for publishing handmade tales. Time, CNN, PBS, NPR, and the other popular suspects will tell if they are braying a plausible, but improbable narrative to sustain their coalition of irreconcilable bloc interests.
"Why is the NYT presenting the information like that?"
Because they are hiding information to create a false narrative, which you've helped them spread. They get the first draft of history knowing full well there is seldom ever a second draft.
Hinderaker over at the PowerLine blog wrote yesterday, One aspect of the story on which there doesn’t seem to be any news is Vance Boulter’s appointment by Governor Walz to the governor’s Workforce Development Board. That board has quite a few notable members. I think it is coincidental, but one current member of the board is Senator John Hoffman, whom Boelter shot yesterday. Boelter’s certificate of appointment is signed by Walz, “because of the special trust and confidence I have in your integrity, judgment, and ability.” I don’t suppose there is a reporter in the State of Minnesota who would have the temerity to ask Walz about his relationship with Boelter, and how Boelter came to receive that appointment.
Sadly no such pro-life Democrat exists.
What?
Sadly no such ELECTED pro-life Democrat exists.
FIFY
Jeff Childers, who I have found to be fairly reliable, has a good rundown on many of the weird questions about Boeltz
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/spinning-monday-june-16-2025-c-and
John Henry
"Also like the Las Vegas shooter."
Yes. There is a certain stink about this one. Police claim they got into a gunfight with this guy while he was inside a house.
Somehow he got away? Since when do cops not surround the place during a gunfight with a suspected murderer? He was thus free to kill others for 72 hours on the lam.
Next, they pulled over his fake(?) wife. He was living with another man, police say. She might be a beard. He certainly has that look of a gay man.
She had passports, cash, a weapon and ammunition. Inexplicably, they let her go with the cash, passports, weapon and ammunition. Every real cop would instantly arrest her "for her own protection" and as part of a multiple-homicide investigation, then hold her as bait/hostage and urge the shooter to turn himself in.
Where'd they find this guy after thousands of hours of overtime costs to the taxpayer?
At his house. Last place they looked.
Stinky.
People on Facebook and people here are trying to deny any connection between the killer and the D government in MN.
Discuss!! And thank you Althouse to highlighting this.
Probably another contemplative cuckoo who couldn't reconcile the principles and principals, sex and gender, human rights and rites, Green blight and green profits, Rainbow and albinophobia, Diversity and exclusion, war and Spring, etc of the DNC and left-wing ideologies. Obama!!! Such a "burden"... burden. Abort, of course.
Oh, and let's not forget who the murder victim had dinner with: US Senator Amy Klobuchar.
How many other United States Senator's dinner dates have subsequently been gunned down in their own home?
Unprecedented.
Is interest in the shooter a female thing? Like marrying criminals in jail.
U.S. Senator Tina Smith, Democrat of Minnesota, said in an interview that the gunman had a notebook with a list of names that included hers and those of other lawmakers, all of whom were Democrats.
You just know all these narcissistic politicians are desperately hoping that that they are one of the names in that notebook.
Democrats (officials and media): He’s a Republican and we have strong proof in his memorada that we refuse to show you. Just trust us. BTW Biden is sharp as a tack.
That is for that, John Henry
Has John Fetterman blamed Democrats for the Minnesota shootings yet?
Rh - Yes - everyone here is a tranny. We are all grrrls now. Just to irritate you.
KAK - we suggest you purge Fetterman - or threaten him in some way. That's how you minion roll.
It's been almost 25 years since the New York Times has worked this ferociously to provide cover for a Washington DC Democrat who's dinner date turned up dead (Chandra Levy).
Not one person on the right has endorsed or justified what this person who had no political affiliation and was appointed to positions by 2 democrat governors.
Compare and contrast to Mangione.
This explains the current situation and all of the political violence we have so far seen.
The Althouse armchair law enforcement community speaks 😂
The two lawmakers were pro-abortion. The shooter, according to one source, was anti-abortion. There you have it. Clearly a right wing assassin who was inspired by Trump's unhinged rhetoric......There are those who claim that Oswald was some kind of leftist, but wiser, more sagacious minds have come to the conclusion that he was, in fact, motivated by the gun culture of Texas and America's love of violence. We've all heard the Stones' Symphony for the Devil and know that, after all, it was you and me.
These shooters are failures, but they're high achieving failures. Oswald was not only about defect to Russia but also able to defect from Russia. This man, like the second Trump assassin, was well traveled and multi- faceted. He was extremely well organized in his pursuit of evil. I'm not sure if you can truly define him as crazy. Aren't crazy people more chaotic and diffuse?
Kakistocracy said...Has John Fetterman blamed Democrats for the Minnesota shootings yet?
Dems last year: How do we get our own Joe Rogan?
Dems next year: How do we get our own John Fetterman?
This is typical All Initial Reports Are Wrong bullshit.
There are journalism codes going back many generations about two independent, accreditable sources being used to verify facts before reporting. Over the last 10-20 years in particular, those codes have been generally abandoned.
On principle, I have no issue believing a right wing person assembled a hit list of 70 politicians and acted upon a desire to assassinate. We in that time where Luigi Mangione is celebrated, open talk of killing political enemies is broadly tolerated on the left, and the right has it's own broad unhinged population.
That doesn't mean I believe the reporting coming out yesterday or this morning.
Interesting. Early reports said both parties were represented on the list. This guy is appointed to committees by Democrats, but he’s supposed to be what, a Republican terrorist?
Indeed- Tree Joe.
When you watch the supposed room-mate read the text out-loud - he does not mention "He voted for Trump"
So - does the reporter have that bit recorded?
If not - it is hearsay - until verified. But it does fit the narrative of the Soviet media.
Yes - lefty-Soviet journalism does not require verification.
Likely a lot of Dem politicians will be retiring.
NYT struggling to make Boelter into a MAGA guy. Struggling mightily, editorial integrity aside.
@Darkisland 9:52 excellent link Thank you
The Democrats running MN came across his manifesto and immediately suppressed it.
Which they wouldn't have done if releasing it would have supported their political cause.
Release the who thing, unedited, or STFU
I am not sure what to believe any more about this guy. More than anything else, it seemed he just wanted to be somebody, which is why he joined the various boards and commissions. He got the Jill Biden degree from Cardinal Stritch, which went under a few years back. The videos you can see on the internet, especially of him preaching in the Congo, are not particularly strong on religious doctrine. He may have opposed abortion, but there's little to no evidence he ever interacted with the prolife community.
The hit lit list that is available is not original, so we have to take it on faith that it's accurate; maybe Dan Rather thinks it's good. My state senator was purportedly on the list and she lives about a quarter mile from my house. Had he gone there instead, we'd have been sheltering in place, but I noticed my state representative, who is a much bigger whack job than the senator and also lives near us, was not on the list. So we know a lot more about the case than we did on Saturday morning, but I'm not convinced we actually know a damned thing.
Two-eyed Jack said...
Alpha News's @lizcollin posted the supposed hit list on X last night, of you want to see that. Apparently copies were circulated to law enforcement to make sure the listees were protected.
Yes, the supposed hit list was a re-typed up list given by the same Democrats who decided to suppress the whole thing at first.
DO I trust people who try to suppress information? No, I don't.
Because I'm not an idiot
He's an aggressive self-promoting evangelist, political gadfly and businessman, who is so anti-abortion that he engages in the premeditated murder of prominent politicians and their spouses, but nobody can find a tweet or posting in which he expressed his anti-abortion views? Really?
Radical, Trump supporting, right wing extremest is doing what some of the MAGAt folks in these comments have been rooting for. Has anyone seen Achilles?
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Long detailed press conference by the US Attorney for MN and FBI just ended. A lot of questions answered. Not all.
Yes - Dark Island - thanks. (updated with fixed typos)
Loved this quote- re-typed by me - hope it's OK.
“The first act of the Minnesota mystery has now closed. The NYT ran a story headlined: “Suspect in MN attacks is arrested, ending manhunt.” They called the largest manhunt in state history. The suspect, Vance Boelter – unemployed but mysteriously well-off – was found crawling through a cornfield about an hour from his house, a scene equal part Coen brothers and classified op-gone-wrong.”
Yes, the supposed hit list was a re-typed up list given by the same Democrats who decided to suppress the whole thing at first. DO I trust people who try to suppress information? No, I don't.
Show us photos of the actual list(s). Some people were listed twice. Other things he wrote were years out of date. Just stop hiding, shading and curating the news.
Nice, Tim M!
Dems last year: How do we get our own Joe Rogan?
Dems next year: How do we get our own John Fetterman?
Kak - again - we ask questions and look for BS. Something you obedient leftist cannot stand. Why - because once a narrative is set - you demand obedience to it. No curiosity allowed!
Here - Dark Island's link - created clickable for best results.
funny stuff! "bob's your uncle" - lol
and no - these murders are not funny. Real people were gunned down and it is sick and horrible.
But the narratives that keep shape shifting - really do sound like a coen brothers movie.
TeaBagHag said...
Radical, Trump supporting, right wing extremest is doing what some of the MAGAt folks in these comments have been rooting for. Has anyone seen Achilles?
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Please offer some Achilles posts where he calls for killing Democrat politicians, or anyone else. I'm not saying he didn't, just wondering if that's the sort of thing our Blogmistress would allow.
Money quote
"And just like Trump assassin Ryan Routh, the details get weirder the closer you look. "
In other news-
Radical D-Bag Hag(D) self-identifies as radical deflated douche bag.
D-Hag Bag
Tim Walz(D) sez:
"Peaceful discourse is the foundation of our democracy."
Terrorist Tim, who almost daily calls for violence against Trump and Trump's supporters - and delights if Tesla's stock dips down - is now calling for "Peaceful discourse"
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sure thing - buddy.
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More Tim Walz: “We need to get meaner” towards MAGA.
You don't say?
"What We Know About the Minnesota Shooting Suspect/Vance Boelter"
It appears one thing we know is that he was appointed by two governors to the Minnesota Governor’s Workforce Development Board.
Does anybody really think that two different Democrats would somehow manage to appoint a MAGA Republican to any sort of position in their government?
Bueller... Bueller... Bueller?
At the moment, attributing any motive is pure speculation. The guy sounds crazy to me. His reported background reads like a random construct...but maybe there is a pony somewhere in that pile of manure. The "room mate"? the ministry to Africa followed by a career in "security"? The cowboy hat abandoned by the road where it was likely to be found? What about that wife and other family members (does he have 5 children?) with "passports" and "cash"? Oh, yes, and the doctorate in education, listed as an "E.d.D"? What would Dr. Jill do?
We all know how the NYTs and DNC-MSM operates. If a shooter is a liberal/leftist his beliefs get obfuscated and buried. And the narrative "He was just a lone nut" it trumpted.
If the killer shot Democrats or a "Protected class" the MSM immediately jumps to the conclusion he's a MAGA/Rightwinger motivated by "hate". Every rumor and strand of evidence to support that is trumpeted. If later on, that turns out to be false, it will be slowly walked back and memory holed.
I'm not trusting anything the NYT's says that cant be independently confirmed. They aren't "fact checkers", they're propagandists who themselves need to be "fact checked".
I'm still puzzled about this guys living arrangements. So he has a wife and five kids, but he's living with "Roommates" but also has several houses? Oh mean, what?
And he's so "religious" but there's no real evidence of that, and he decided to commit multiple murders. And he's a security guard, or works at NGOs, or he's unemployed or something.
I think this guy, and Dr. Jill, pretty much prove that a PHD in "Education" means nothing.
More from Dark Island's link.
"It first grabbed my attention as it became increasingly obvious the entire corporate media was avoiding saying one word in all the Boelter articles: UNEMPLOYED. So far as I can tell, Boelter’s been out of work since his government grant ran out four months ago and he returned from Congo as though a man possessed by a demon.
But here’s the question: How did Vance Boelter fund an apparently lavish lifestyle – marked by a large home, five children, weapons, at least 50$K in cash, disguises, and multiple vehicles (including a late-model SUV modified to look like a police car) – despite being unemployed? Where’d the money come from? It’s a conundrum, but don’t look to the media to quell the curiosity.
Available information provides tantalizing clues without any definitive answers, and the narrative around Boelter’s finances is muddled by conflicting hot takes and unverified claims. "
more...
"Boelter owned a rural home in Sibley County, MN, 60 miles southwest of Minneapolis. He reportedly purchased it with his wife for around $500,000 just a few years ago. It sits on 11 halcyon rural acres, far from neighbors. The property, described by some as a “million dollar estate”, suggests significant financial resources. And anyone who owns a home can imagine how much it costs to keep up. At least three businesses were registered at his address – none having offices or customers.
Boelter also bizarrely rented a room in North Minneapolis – a detail that screams STAGING HOUSE or COVER IDENTITY, but is being treated like a quirky footnote.
Reports mentions multiple vehicles, including a custom SUV (the one modified into a security /law enforcement vehicle), his wife’s car, and another expensive-looking auto found ‘abandoned’ near his home. The weapons and the disguises (like a latex mask and police-style ballistic vest) imply access to specialized, costly equipment."
"Where’d the money come from?"
The Proud Boys, no doubt. They might try searching for tiki torches around Boelter's house.
more:
"Nor has any information been released about Jennifer Boetler’s current employment status, or weather she is also unemployed, mirroring the uncertainly around Vance Boelter’s job situation. Nor is there any evident media curiosity about Jennifer. "
One thing is for certain - media are not curious beyond who he voted for - and the abortion stuff.
finally -
"Like Ryan Routh, Boelter’s security skills – such as planning sophisticated attacks, donning disguises, and cooly navigating police shootouts – are equally inexplicable given his self-reported work history in food service and funeral homes. Like Routh, his “Security training” occurred in untraceable third-world countries, without identifiable employers. "
Peachy said...
finally -
"Like Ryan Routh, Boelter’s security skills – such as planning sophisticated attacks, donning disguises, and cooly navigating police shootouts – are equally inexplicable given his self-reported work history in food service and funeral homes. Like Routh, his “Security training” occurred in untraceable third-world countries, without identifiable employers. "
So he's a beer-battered walleye version of Chuck Barris?
Comment I just saw on X: So is Vance Boelter CIA or just a normal 7/11 manager turned preacher who owns a security company and lives in a halfway house away from his wife and 5 kids?
It's not that there are so many unanswered questions about Vance Boelter, it's that there are so many questions, period. I'm going to ask one I haven't seen yet- is Vance Boelter really his name? Does anyone know? Who is he? For real?
I predict an insanity defense for this guy, either multiple personalities or schizophrenia. Glad that he has been federally charged, and so is eligible for the death penalty.
I'd like the execution to be scheduled for next week, not 20 years from now.
He's the CEO of a security firm in Africa? I'd be skeptical of that and his supposed Middle Eastern activities, but the money had to come from somewhere.
That Vegas shooter seems to have marked a turning point. Now we're used to not knowing the details about mass shooters and would-be or actual assassins.
Not finished !
Boelter said he’d worked in the food industry for decades, later took jobs in the “funeral services” (removing bodies from nursing homes and crime scenes) and pursued ‘agricultural projects’ in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Suddenly, late in life, he’s a world-traveling famer and crime scene cleanup specialist.
In other words, just like Ryan Routh, unaccountably unemployed. Swap the names and find the same breadcrumbs: combat skills without a clear source, deep financial resources without visible income, foreign training in sketchy locals, and no documented history of radical ideology – until suddenly, there is! Right at the crime scene!
For example: though the media is enthusiastically portraying him as a “deeply committed Christian”, there is no evidence that Boelter ever took theological training or even attended church. Nor did he post about religion on his accessible social media. In 2006, Boelter announced a “forthcoming” religious book ( still forthcoming) , and the announcement was nothing but a feel-good quasi-religious word salad without any theological substance.”
read the whole thing - it's very interesting and a complete damnation of the narrative D-hack media.
beer battered walleye - stop it. It's lunch time.
Again - Thanks to Dark Island:
Scroll down and keep reading.
The Soviet-Democratic media are incurious - and demand you swallow the pez-pill of narrative.
More: I left this out:
"Absent any “deep commitment” to actually writing his book, and lacking any apparent theology beyond superficial nobs to “our relationship with God” , my working hypothesis is that Boelter put this page up to support a grant application or establish a cover for travel. There are video online of his Congolese “sermons” and then seem equally calorie-free.
As for his “anti-abortion” status – if he was pro-life, it doesn’t appear in any of his published musings.
The well-worn phrase “follow the money” was famously coined by investigative journalists during the Watergate Scandal. It has long been considered the cornerstone of media scrutiny, guiding reports to uncover hidden motives and corruption by tracing financial trails. Yet, not only are the media failing to follow the money here, but they are also actively obscuring the Boelter’s employment and financial status.
Media reports obsess over Vance’s alleged anti-abortion extremism and the politically charged shootings, yet they consistently sidestep the glaring financial incongruity of a million-dollar Minnesota home, a custom Praetorian SUV, six figures in cash, and support for five children against his unclear job history and reported non-operation of Praetorian Guard Security Services.
The media are also ignoring his inexplicable combat training and that his isolated home and a nearby rented room are classic hallmarks of SECRECY. What would we do without media to tell us what to think? "
DataRepublican mentioned he was a 7/11 manager. But in her comment section someone said there were no 7/11s in Minnesota at the time. I can’t find that comment so I asked Grok:
“The commenter’s assertion that there were no 7-Eleven stores in Minnesota during the time frame the shooter claimed to be a manager (2016–2021) is true. There is no evidence of 7-Eleven-branded stores operating in Minnesota during this period. The Speedway acquisition in 2021 introduced the possibility of 7-Eleven’s return, but no sources confirm that Speedway stores were rebranded as 7-Eleven by 2021, and Minnesota remained without 7-Eleven locations as of 2025.”
btw- MSN AND OTHER LEFTIST media calling the murderer a "Maga Assassin"
Trump must sue.
In DataRepublican’s comment section someone posted a photo from 2016 of Boelter. The caption reads that he was the General Manager of Super Mom’s Kitchen at the time. Grok tells me it isn’t and wasn’t at the time owned by 7/11.
Regarding 7-Eleven; there are a large number of gas stations in the Twin Cities that are currently badged as Speedway; they were previously badged as SuperAmerica. 7-Eleven's parent company did acquire the SuperAmerica/Speedway stores about 3-4 years ago, but because the Speedway brand has equity in the Twin Cities, they haven't gone to the trouble and expense of rebranding the stations. I have seen pictures of Boelter representing SuperAmerica/Speedway; he apparently was an area manager of bakery operations for the stores. Similarly, the parent company of Circle-K owns a number of gas stations in the Twin Cities, which are badged as Holiday Stationstores; when you go into a Holiday you typically see everything in the store is badged as Circle-K, but they haven't changed the signage yet, and they might never do it because Holiday is a brand with a 50+ history in the area.
Boelter worked at wherever he worked from 2016 to 2021 - he says. At the time wherever he worked (according to Grok) wasn’t owned by 7/11 or its parent company.
Can any dedicated loyal leftist - inform us as to why Ryan Routh was in a Blackrock ad?
also - the link I posted from - is merely information that points to some very strange and open questions about this man and his life.
The left have everything compartmentalized into: "He was a MAGA anti-Abortion Christian" and shut up. - even though none of that is held up with much to go on.
@Matt: Instead of attacking a commenter why not come up with the proof for your assertion about the killer and why he had such a favored status with the (Democrat) Governor.
people don't register by party in minnesota, so there is that notion,
if we hadn't been through the filipino kickboxer with the phony bombs, 2018or the Canadian home invader, 2022 those were two big squrrrels they let loose, (the last with a ridiculously fake web page,) we would be less skeptical
Reachy Around is a MAGAt apologists, defending a MAGAt assassin. It makes sense, there is no bottom for these folks and definitely no sense of shame.
News has it - this trained assassin a-hole shot and killed the family dog, too.
we all have to wear our colombo hat, or else robert culp or patrick mcgoohan get away with it, all the time,
Douche-bag -
Your hatred of Trump and his supporters goes right along with your being a leftist Nazi.
compare to when hodgekinson visited the staff of durban and duckworth, before going off on a maddow induced rage against 17 gop congressmen in Alexandria,
TeaBagHag said...
Radical, Trump supporting, right wing extremest is doing what some of the MAGAt folks in these comments have been rooting for. Has anyone seen Achilles?
The chickens are coming home to roost.
We note that you are running with another blood libel with absolutely no supporting evidence.
You are a truly dishonest person and your lies are meant to justify violence against your political opponents.
And we are also noticing that this shooter sure spent a lot of time with democrats and has a lot of unexplained money that the media is not interested in finding out where it came from.
You are not interested in the truth at all. You are an insect biting and stinging anything in reach.
You are absolutely incompatible with a free society.
Douche-bag - Do tell us why two democratic governors let this guy into their Democrat party world.
Matt said...
Peachy,
This Boelter freak was a Christian conservative warrior. Admit it. You actually agree with this guy on pretty much everything except [maybe] his pulling the trigger. Although I'm sure you aren't too upset about it. But have fun in you warped, nonsensical and absurd conspiracy theory world. Or maybe just go get a job and live a normal life like the rest of America...
If he was a Christian and held any of the beliefs you ascribe to him without evidence we would still call for him to be executed for his crimes.
Compare this to how leftists treat those who commit violence in their name.
This is why we can be a part of a free society and progressive/communists will always live under authoritarian rule.
His Christianity looks to be like a cover... but you leftists love to bash Christians. That's your thing.
Achilles - thank you. spot on.
I don’t mind speculation about the killer one way or the other. What I do mind is attacks on commenters implying stupid stuff. You say “we can do better”. Then do better.
So, Achilles, do you admit this guy did this in your name?
Or is this some sort both sides bullshit where you don't own up to your guys but try to insist the other side makes every shooter into a hero?
Lets make something crystal clear right now.
No matter what the truth is (or what truth is being covered up, altered, vanished) this MN a-hole killed 2 innocent people.
And he almost killed another innocent couple who are, right now, – in the hospital probably enduring painful surgeries, with
months and months of healing and re-hab in their future.
I have nothing but sympathy for these people and their families. It is a horrible heinous violent crime.
YOU leftists LOVE that a Trump supporter was shot and killed by Ryan Routh - you love it. And YOUR relentless diseased mental-disorder nihilist hatred of Trump made you all feel bummed after Ryan Routh missed killing Trump.
That is why you all suck.
The NYT article was incorrect. Multiple news outlets, including CNN, ABC, and the Minnesota Star Tribune, have reported that the alleged shooter—57-year-old Vance Luther Boelter—left a list of names behind in his car that included abortion providers and advocates and figures with ties to Planned Parenthood, along with Democratic politicians.
That means that Governor Walz was correct about motive.
Look - you leftist have your pez dispenser answers all neatly tied up in a bow:
"The guy was a MAGA!" - even though Trump has nothing to do with this guy.
YOUR Democrat governors - perhaps they never really knew him - but they re-appointed him. wow.
"This guy is a Christian fundamentalist!" OK - the info coming out looks like he was using that as a cover.
"He was anti-abortion!" - again - no one is showing us where that is? Apparently it's in the notebook - but it doesn't exist anywhere else.
odd.
gadfly - OK - lets see this list.
Matt said…"Admit it. You actually agree with this guy on pretty much everything except [maybe] his pulling the trigger."
How can anyone agree or disagree with anything if they won't let us see what he wrote?
it doesn't fit on his cue card, no matter they have shown again and again, they have no shame or conscience, going back so many years I don't care to spell it out entire,
"..That means that Governor Walz was correct about motive. ...."
Gov. Walz said it was a political motive, genius, because he shot 2 politicians and then their spouses, for good measure, in their homes.
Concur with Eva Maria @3:15pm.
Want to discuss the shooting and motivation, fine. None of us have to prove our innocence in this event. Even in a court of law in the US, there is no onus to prove your innocence or lack of association. You want to make such a claim, then you prove it. If you can't, then be careful with the baseless accusations.
Matt removed his comment. Good for him. All’s well that ends well.
Skeptical? He targeted and shot dem lawmakers. If he were a crazy democrat wouldn't he be shooting republicans? No reason to overthink this.
Mark said...
So, Achilles, do you admit this guy did this in your name?
Or is this some sort both sides bullshit where you don't own up to your guys but try to insist the other side makes every shooter into a hero?
Absolutely not.
First, I’m not even pro life.
Second I agree with Mangione and everything except for going out and murdering somebody in broad daylight. Our healthcare system is run by demons who are trying to make as much money as they can and I believe they are actually trying to make people as unhealthy as possible To make more money.
Third, we have no actual evidence of his political affiliation Other than a bunch of made up stories by leftists who’ve been lying about everything for the last 10 years.
I want to amend my last comment to point out that the shooter has spent a lot of time in politics with Democrats. The shooter also has a lot of money that nobody can figure out where he got it from and lastly, his manifesto is being hidden and every reasonable source is being ignored as far as determining his political Affiliations.
The only evidence that’s being put out there by our media that has been caught lying about everything is unsubstantiated hearsay And they are studiously, ignoring his manifesto and past affiliations with Democrat governors.
I think it’s pretty safe to say we know what his political affiliations were because he is violent who he has been affiliated with in the past and the medias in curiosity with all of the obvious things that should be investigated.
btw- Read every word I quoted... or read the link from DarkIsland.
Nowhere does it blame Democrats. No-where does it slander the good names of those were slaughtered by this horrible man. All it is, is information about the killer's life... info that is suspiciously absent in any reporting. Why ? we already know based on past history that the media work for one party - and that party's narratives.
No curiosity needed.
The media have their marching orders - and that is to blame all of this on Trump. Nothing new.
Governor Walz, you appointed this man to a commission and you wrote him a glowing letter of recommendation for his service there. Could you please disclose any correspondence you have had with this person so that we can determine his motivation. We assume that you did some kind of background check when you hired him to be on these commissions.
The manifesto is in the hands of Minnesota officials. The manifest to serve the purposes of the Minnesota officials we know it would Be leaked at a minimum if not, read out loud on the news every day every hour, if this guy was actually in anyway associated with the mega movement.
We know why the manifesto is not being released like we know whether a killer white or not if they race is mentioned in the story.
People on the political left need to understand that nobody trust you anymore. Nobody likes you anymore. You are utterly predictable and as you continue to act in these dishonest underhanded ways and spread these obvious blood libels more and more people are just coming to the conclusion that you need to go.
People are tired of your lies and your violence.
I see no takers by the leftists on disavowing Ryan Routh.
jim5301 said...
Skeptical? He targeted and shot dem lawmakers. If he were a crazy democrat wouldn't he be shooting republicans? No reason to overthink this.
This is actually pretty funny. These people are so stupid and ignorant.
Go read the history of any leftist political movement in history you idiot.
You will find something interesting out. And if you understood where you currently are in the lifespan of this current leftist political movement it would explain things for you.
but try to insist the other side makes every shooter into a hero?
Maybe you could point to the gofundme page Republicans set up for this guy.
The wife was caught in a vehicle heading to Canada with passports and... passengers?
Who was with her?
Were the passports real?
Who is she associated with? What political causes was she a part of?
A lot of dogs are not barking right now. But we have an unnamed cousins neighbors friends butler who knows the shooter voted for Trump and is pro-life. So lets talk about that.
Jim at- 4:35
You really lost your credibility with that. Not that you had any.
You leftists assume we operate like you do. You're wrong.
Now - I do want to find out about your life-size cardboard Luigi - stapled to the ceiling, above your bed.
Jim, when you equate aupport of Mangione with only the left, you accuse Achilles of being a leftist.
You two can sort that out.
Supposedly Vance and his wife. Could it be a photoshop? Yes. Could it be real? Also yes. Not sourced but I'm throwing it in anyway. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea854f9626ab845b7a3007b76599fc537e7c01d35d11669ad2258df3683b50da.png
Officials were questioned on the manifesto this morning and the motivations for the shootings. They are claiming the manifesto does not have enough specifics to determine a motivation.
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Vance Luther Boelter and his family. His wife interned for Tim Walz and is now the CEO of "Praetorian Guard Security Services", while Vance is listed as the "Director of Security Patrols". And yet we’re supposed to believe he’s a Trump supporter? None of this adds up.
Mark said...
This is what a stupid person would say.
I will separate this post into 2 parts. 1 part for morons like Mark and a second for everyone else.
Part 1:
Mangionne should be executed. Publicly. Video of the execution replayed to 6th graders for a generation to drive home the point that our society does not tolerate political violence.
Boelter should be executed. Publicly. Video of the execution replayed to 6th graders for a generation to drive home the point that our society does not tolerate political violence.
The United Health Care CEO should have been investigated and prosecuted for a litany of crimes for his involvement with the COVID vaccines that he made millions off of and are killing people right now.
Part 2. Now we get to the part where Mark can stop reading because people under 90 IQ wont make it much farther.
White collar crime is woefully under investigated and under prosecuted in our country. I understand that this will inevitably lead to victims of their crime lashing out. Additionally The Federal Reserve and a coterie of associated Oligarchs have made many facets of American life unaffordable through dishonest and frankly disgusting means. They should all be executed too.
The line between order and chaos in society is drawn down the middle of every human heart. We all have good and evil inside us.
The purpose of society is to provide space for people to live according to the type of society you want. If you want a free high trust society then you must vest the monopoly of violence in an authority trusted by a critical mass of people who live in society.
People like Mangionne, Boelton, and any number of CEO's in the health care industry including the one that was shot and doing things that are incompatible with a free high trust society.
Mangionne acted because society failed to hold scumbags to account. If we continue to fail to hold these scumbags to account the inevitable result will be people deciding they do not need to abide by the rules of society.
Almost every member of congress in both parties is a scumbag who is making money in a variety of scumbag ways just like the Health Care industry executives. The longer they are allowed to do this the more trust in society's rules erode and this leads inevitably to Mangionne and Boelter.
If you want to stop this sort of violence then you need to understand all facets of the problem and create a system that punishes the behavior you do not want.
"They are claiming the manifesto does not have enough specifics to determine a motivation."
Okay. So it's being withheld for a different reason. Perhaps someone should think to ask about that?
The published “hit list” includes names of people that died a year ago of natural causes, not the name of the representative killed, but does include the one wounded. Odd hit list not to include people hit.
@Gospace
If that’s a real photo . . .
My first question is who had those resist shirts printed. That’s awful.
Leland, the authorities published an official list?
According to the FBI, the police were on the scene BEFORE he murdered the Hortmans. Great work!
TWEET with video
This is insane. We now learn that Minnesota Police just stood by and watched as Vance Boelter murdered Rep. Hortman in her home.
What. How is this possible?
Minnesota Law Enforcement Officials just reported that that two Minnesota Police officers were already on the scene *watching* before killer Vance Boelter ever stepped inside Rep. Hortman's house. They saw the killer in the driveway wearing a halloween mask and fake police uniform and engaged him. Then after a short firefight the Police sat and WATCHED as Boelter entered the home, killed the Rep. and her husband and then the police let him escape out the back. All of this after Senator Hoffman was already reported gunned down.
The police didn’t stop him. This is obscene. Again, Minnesota Police stood by, let Boelter commit the murders, and escaped out the back. WHAT!?
Nothing here makes sense. Dark and disturbing...
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1934711575035641865
Liberals say that political violence threatens our democracy. They’re wrong, it threatens our republic.
It turned out that defunding the police meant defanging the police. Why all the effusive praise from all the MN politicos?
All the silent dogs are starting to bark.
HT to Mr D for the local perspective from the Twin Cities.
Beat you by five minutes, Peachy!
Shades of Uvalde, but they did return fire. What happened after that sounds bad. Were they trained to wait for backup?
Imagine having your head so far up your own ass that you manufacture conspiracy theories instead of recognizing that this type of MAGAt political violence isn’t an outlier, it’s the true face of a violent, fascist movement that’s encouraged by the demented king of the MAGAts.
“It makes sense, there is no bottom for these folks and definitely no sense of shame.”
Hag - onions simmering in her gob - writes about “no sense of shame”. That is hilarious coming from a delirious far-left nutcase. They don’t “embarrass easy”.
it’s the true face of a violent, fascist movement that’s encouraged by the demented king of the MAGAts.
If we were half as violent as you accuse us of being, your bodies would already be stacked like cordwood in the streets.
As it is, you comfortably sit there banging your keyboard without a care in the world.
Peachy, I apologize for what I wrote earlier today. I deleted the comments. No excuses.
My 7:28 post needs quotes.
Boelter was in Tim Walz's orbit - Not Trumps.
See here for more proof.
see here for Tim Walz and Boelter
Lol. Exactly!
For a non violent movement, there’s sure a lot of bodies being talked about being stacked like cord wood.
Matt - - well thank you. I appreciate that and accept it. I apologize for getting personal an angry.
I think I found D-bag - trying to hug a car.
Ralph L - yes you did!
Yes, Reachy. This far right assassin, who killed Democratic lawmakers and had a list of other Democratic lawmakers to murder, was motivated by Tim Walz……
I can’t tell if you are actually that stupid or just an impotent, ineffective shill.
D-bag - that is not what I said - you ugly fat car hugging nazi.
So Tim walz didn't appoint his guy to his commission? why don't you pull your head out of your ass?
Peachy@10:55–that’s exactly what I-nag was denying other night!!
Removing the "FU" - but this is a fine post - re-posting part of it.
BTW - you leftists ever condemn Ryan Routh for killing Cory Compatore? Condemn the attempted assassination of president Trump?
NO.
You are free to do so right now....
waiting.....................
Chickelit - is D-hag- I-nag? could be. Same whiff .
Any links between the killer and Walz must severed and buried. God forbid we mention the links. Walzy baby might be Kammy’s running mate again in 2028.
But I predict the Hillary will run again.
Hillary will be propped-up curbside as a husk puppet II.
with that - I'm off to watch Gutfeld.
It’s troubling how quickly this case is being politicized. Without solid evidence on the so-called “hit list,” we should be cautious about drawing conclusions. It’s troubling how quickly this case is being politicized. Without solid evidence on the so-called “hit list,” we should be cautious about drawing conclusions. Buy Abortion Pills online.
Be nice to see the list and the manifesto so intelligent people can decide for themselves.
And. Yes. Thanks DI.
TeaBagHag said... @ 9:02
having something up your rectum seems to be something you know something about.
As for the rest. There was an election and Trump won by a majority. Both ways. But please point out his king-like behavior. What has he done that is against the constitution? Show us your intellectual chops.
TeaBagHag said...
Yes, Reachy. This far right assassin, who killed Democratic lawmakers and had a list of other Democratic lawmakers to murder, was motivated by Tim Walz……
I can’t tell if you are actually that stupid or just an impotent, ineffective shill.
You are the one who is spreading blood libels.
Every single person here thinks Boelton should be executed except you.
For you Boelton appears to be your favorite bloody shirt to wave around. You are having orgasms talking about him and how "right wing" he is.
The purpose is of course to justify your violence and your wishes to do harm to your political enemies.
Everyone is tired of your shit. The democrat insurrection is over. You guys are going to lose your second civil war.
Truth is - even most democrats (I-nag/D-bag flavor) do not care about the deaths of these democrats.
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