Headline at Whiskey Riff, which I found after I heard Joe Rogan do the revealing and I listened to the song. You can find video of both the Joe Rogan segment and the song at that link.
... Joe shares some rather intimate details about Anthony’s seemingly pending divorce, and how it sparked this song. The “Scornful Woman” is Oliver’s wife, Tiffany, and from the side of the story we’re given, it sounds like she’s trying to take as much money as she can off him.
“He starts making millions of dollars, playing arenas. The wife divorces him. She wants everything. She wants EVERYTHING. She wants more than half. She wants all the money he’s going to be making in the future because she was with him when he was broke. It’s f***** crazy...."
It's not crazy for her to want more than half. If you are married and sharing equally, and you've gone through the poor times together — maybe you scrimped together while one of you went to medical school — then you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later.
When Anthony's song “Rich Men North of Richmond" made him an overnight sensation in 2023, he and Tiffany and their 2 children were presented as the definition of happiness.
The new song says "She'll turn a warm afternoon/Into a cold, cold one."
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Devil woman! Okay kidding, I have no idea who's done what. But it's sad.
A new song… “Poor Men at the South End of a Mad Hen”…
>Anthony’s seemingly pending divorce...it sounds like she’s trying to take as much money as she can off him.<
...and also, water is wet!
“I done her twice an’ she done me wrong”
Worked for Taylor Swift.
“Rooster Cold-Cocked”
…well it all sounds kind of funny but it hurts too much to laugh…
It's not crazy for her to want more than half.
Correct. Half is a great starting point and assumed to be fair by Family Law standards. However, if they split and she is no longer entitled to half then she deserves to enjoy the continuance of the life "to which she has become accustomed." The Law assumes he can go on to earn even more from music, while she will not enjoy that bounty, so the two must agree on a fair slice of income going forward. So yes, in present value terms that is indeed "more than half" but in practical application it could result in one of them getting a higher income than the other over time.
In school they taught me how to value assets and cash flows and income streams, I’d have no idea how to value this guy’s future earnings. I suppose her attorneys will assume he’ll be something like The Beatles and Taylor Swift combined while his attorneys assume he’s Milli Vanilli without the comeback. With discounting maybe they aren’t that far apart…
Little girl: “Why does regular barbie cost $20 and divorced barbie cost $300?”
Storekeeper: “Because divorced barbie comes with ken’s car, ken’s house, ken’s boat, ken’s furniture, ken’s jewelry, ken’s money, ken’s computer and ken’s best friend!!”
People keep talking about fertility and how marriage is a dying institution while scratching their heads wondering why...
He should do what I did and quit his job until she gives up. She got 70% of my earnings. So I quit my job. Fuck slavery, bro.
But doesn't this presuppose that she brought something of value to the marriage? I feel sorry for the kids, but I've seen parents of both sexes be willing to ruin a childhood for their own selfish wishes - sometimes simple revenge, causing pain to make a third person suffer.
Divorce favors women, and it's not even close - mighty odd in this supposed age of 'equality'
When I started practicing law there was a trend that the divorcing spouse could have a property interest in the other spouse's medical degree. That was rejected.
Back in the day, I flew with a DC9 Capt whose ex-wife successfully sued him for her share of the additional income he would make as a DC10 Captain.
He didn't want to upgrade, because he preferred the greater seniority in the 9.
I read that the Civil War ended slavery in the US. Not sure about that.
He no Eminem.
He the Southern version but can't rhyme as hard...
"I was playin' in the beginning, the mood all changed
I've been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage
But I kept rhymin' and stepped right in the next cypher
Best believe somebody's payin' the Pied Piper
All the pain inside amplified by the
Fact that I can't get by with my 9-to-5
And I can't provide the right type of life for my family
'Cause man, these goddamn food stamps don't buy diapers
And there's no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer, this is my life
And these times are so hard, and it's gettin' even harder
Tryna feed and water my seed, plus teeter-totter
Caught up between bein' a father and a prima donna
Baby mama drama, screamin' on her, too much for me to wanna
Stay in one spot, another day of monotony's
Gotten me to the point I'm like a snail, I've got
To formulate a plot or end up in jail or shot
Success is my only motherfuckin' option, failure's not..."
I bet she hopes this song is going to make her a lot of money
I gave you a brand-new Ford
You said ‘I want a Cadillac’
I bought you a fancy dinner
You said ‘thanks for the snack’
I let you live in my penthouse
You said it was just a shack
I gave you seven children
And now you want to give them back
Yes, I've been downhearted baby
Ever since the day we met
Our love is nothing but the blues
Baby, how blue can you get?
My stepfather felt the same way, as did his children, after my mother predeceased him. He changed the will before she was cold because it was his. Lots of men seem to feel this way. I imagine there are undeserving women who weren't any actual help in the man's life before or after he made his money and are trying to cash in.
But my view on that is "Dude, you married her. Nobody made you do it. This is what you signed on for."
I totally understand why a spouse should share wealth generated when the couple is together. However when they support spouse leaves and voids the marriage contract, the working spouse has to go on working but without the advantages of a live in support spouse sharing his burdens of life.
The future income should zero out using a natural decay curve in the number of years the couple were married. Unless of course the support spouse wants to continue to provide services and benefits as before.
"you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later" How many examples of men being "owed" more than half in this way? Lesson: artists need prenups. As do tech bros and athletes.
"Dude, you married her. Nobody made you do it. This is what you signed on for."
And that is why fewer and fewer "sign on for" it. If it weren't for the fact my wife wasn't born here someone would've had to put a gun to my head.
From the post:
"It's not crazy for her to want more than half. If you are married and sharing equally, and you've gone through the poor times together — maybe you scrimped together while one of you went to medical school — then you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later. "
It's crazy and it's wrong. She's entitled to half, and unless she has co-writing or mechanical credits, it's inequitable.
"When Anthony's song “Rich Men North of Richmond" made him an overnight sensation in 2023, he and Tiffany and their 2 children were presented as the definition of happiness."
Power corrupts; so also money.
"The new song says "She'll turn a warm afternoon/Into a cold, cold one."
Echoes of Hank Williams' "Cold, Cold, Heart." Usually, in Country music, a 'cold one's is a positive thing. Not this time.
Dandy Don Meredith claimed that there was a country song that went, "We don't need a refrigerator in our house, we just keep the beer next to my baby's cold cold heart".
I’ve considered the financial upside of a divorce of convenience.
Sadly, I’m too much of a financial control freak to risk giving my wife that much free will. Stockholm syndrome has got us this far but, could I rely on her following the plan or would she run off with the first swivel hipped Lothario who crossed her path taking half the financial pot.
Still, what would it matter as long as she’s happy. 🤣🤣🤣
He should do what I did and quit his job until she gives up. She got 70% of my earnings. So I quit my job. Fuck slavery, bro.
…want happens when rich people tax rates get too high, too- the marginal dollar becomes too expensive. As your accountant and your economist you've made a prudent move…
Back in the 80s an ex-wife of a guy who had retired from the military sued for a portion of his retirement pay, and won. The justification was that she had been married to him for a substantial amount of time and couldn't pursue a career because of frequent changes of station.
So, the Army Times reported that some idiots decided to not put in retirement paper work, and just left the army after 20+ years when their enlistment ran out to spite ex-wifes and keep them from getting any of their pension. I never saw any follow up reporting to that, but I imagine that they could still be sued for a portion of the income that the ex-husband would have realized if they had put in their retirement papers. It isn't the ex-wife's fault that the ex-husband voluntarily gave up an income that both he and the ex-wife was intitled to.
It's not crazy for her to want more than half. If you are married and sharing equally, and you've gone through the poor times together — maybe you scrimped together while one of you went to medical school — then you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later.
Bullshit.
Who initiated the divorce?
If you initiate a divorce with no cause or fault you should get nothing.
You chose to get married. If you want to chose divorce find your own money. There is a reason 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
Kakistocracy -
I have to say that "Stockholm syndrome has got us this far" is a great line, and if it is an original, my hat goes off to you.
I recommend listening to "Cold, Cold Heart." It tells a completely different kind of story than the one told in "Scornful Woman." The difference is so profound it's making me cry... because I'm listening to it.
RideSpaceMountain said...
People keep talking about fertility and how marriage is a dying institution while scratching their heads wondering why...
There was a reason a majority of women opposed the 19th amendment when it was passed.
The problem with our country right now is we are letting people who have no stake in the future of the country determine it's direction.
My wife’s cousin recently discovered reed her husband had been carrying in with a colleague at work.
After 34 years of staying at home she deserves 1/2 of everything including earnings going forward.
AMDG said...
My wife’s cousin recently discovered reed her husband had been carrying in with a colleague at work.
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Is his name reed?
Ann Althouse said...
I recommend listening to "Cold, Cold Heart." It tells a completely different kind of story than the one told in "Scornful Woman." The difference is so profound it's making me cry... because I'm listening to it.
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But you want people to listen
and cry? Turn that off.
Was the relationship established from marriage or some time thereafter? Do we follow the ethics of the Pro-Choice religion and abort, sequester, or share the dividends of reproduction?
This is making me cry. reed's children
will fare worst in the divorce...
I don't think the two songs tell a different story, its the same story from different viewpoints. The woman was hurt by a man in the Hank Williams song, and the man was hurt by a woman in Anthony's song. So now Anthony's man has a cold heart for the next woman who comes along and tries to break through his defenses.
Interesting to contemplate his future earnings. Will he ever have a bigger hit? As I recall he turned down a very large contract offered when "Rich Men..." blew up.
If the divorce gives her half of future earnings as they are earned there are a lot of ways to structure contracts/payouts that might, just might, work to her disadvantage.
[Side note: I was divorced from an accountant many years ago. The next tax season was... educational... to say the least.]
YouTube: A clip of a Divorce Attorney's Thoughts On Love and Marriage
@Lem, that divorce attorney is great. One of Robert Redford's greatest performances was aside Meryl Streep in Out Of Africa as Denys Finch Hatton. Meryl Streep (Karen Blixen) keeps hounding Redford about marriage and his consistent need for alone time away from her, to which he responds, "It's not meant to hurt you. I'm with you because I choose to be with you. I don't want to live someone else's idea of how to live. Don't ask me to do that. I don't want to find out one day that I'm at the end of someone else's life.
I'll mate for life [the way wild animals do], one day at a time."
This is where society is headed. By century's end we'll all be with our partners for life...one day at a time.
The success made him a much better target for divorce.
Again, I agree with Achilles 100%. SHE initiated divorce, fuck her and her money-grubbing ways. I counsel all young men never to marry.
If you're a man, looks won't insulate you from the fickleness of women. Power won't insulate you. Wealth won't insulate you. Fame, resources or talent won't insulate you.
By any metric women can possibly judge a mate to be perfect, perfection won't insulate you from feminine solipsism. Marcus is right. The only way to win the game is not to play, by their rules anyway.
If we are going to cite Country songs about messy divorces, shouldn't we have mentioned Jerry Red's "She Got the Gold Mine, I Got The Shaft."? Seems to be a better fit for this story.
Wikipedia: "On August 25 [2023], Anthony released a video statement on YouTube. On the Republican presidential debate, he said: "It was funny seeing my song at the presidential debate, because I wrote that song about those people, you know. ... That song is written about the people on that stage—and a lot more, too. Not just them, but definitely them.""
Is the new Oliver Anthony song about the plight of "Rich Men South of Richmond"?
Like the saying goes: Be careful what you wish for...
I don't know exactly why but Starship "We built This City" lyric line "Marconi plays the mamba" came to mind while reading this, so i looked it up: The recurring line, “Marconi plays the mamba, listen to the radio, don’t you remember?” suggests a nostalgia for a time when music, especially rock, was pure and untainted by commercial influences. It’s a call to remember rock music’s original essence and values.
As the song progresses, the lines “Someone’s always playing corporation games, Who cares, they’re always changing corporation names,” further emphasize the commercial takeover and loss of individuality in music. The essence of rock, the dance, the stage, are all overshadowed by corporate manipulations, “We just want to dance here, someone stole the stage.”"
Did Oliver Anthony become what he repudiated?
There's a lot more to that Starship song here... An Oral History of “We Built This City,” the Worst Song of All Time
Success has made a failure of our home...
"Success"
-Loretta Lynn, later covered by Sinéad O'Connor
"If a wife and a lover could be one and the same,
What a beautiful world this would be--
There would be us
Somewhere between lust
And sitting home watching TeeVee.
Somewhere between Playboy magazine
And next Tuesday night's PTA,
Somewhere between a honky-tonk queen
And what all the dog did today."
H/t Cal Smith and Mickey Gilley.
I never saw 'Out Of Africa'. I should check it out.
He's a niche act, possibly a one-hit wonder. He can't count on having any success to match "Rich Men" and can't count on people wanting to hear that song forever. She's the one who's leaving, so clearly she's not entitled to more than half of the money.
“If you are married and sharing equally, and you've gone through the poor times together — maybe you scrimped together while one of you went to medical school — then you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later.”
Does that mean they owe half of the medical school student loan debt too?
A couple, or couplet, a polygamous incorporation, should not be forced to suffer the "burden" of either fetus or debt.
Planned Matrimonyhood. Follow progressive principles: abort.
So, Mr. Anthony is now one of those "rich men south of Richmond". And now his ex-wife wants her cut.
She's tired of sellin' my soul, workin' all day / Overtime hours for zero pay.
"It's not crazy for her to want more than half."
No. Not crazy. I think Mick Jagger rather skillfully delineated the desires of American girls;
"Everything on Earth you can possibly imagine".
As the old cartoon character said to the Lion: "You knew the job was dangerous, when you took it Fred".
"Success"
-Loretta Lynn, later covered by Sinéad O'Connor
Also covered very well by Elvis Costello. Another snotty Irishman (originally named Declan McManus). Having known many Declans, I'd say his given name suited him all too well.
She probably the primary caretaker of their children if she's getting more than half.
People taking sides are amusing. None of us know these people or have any idea what they're like as spouses. There's no basis for an opinion.
Memorable situation as an observer:
Husband absent, wife's lawyer asks judge to rule in favor of wife because husband no show.
Bailiff relays message to judge. husband is in hospital due to accident.
Judge, a bit miffed, "Are you aware of this?"
Wife's atty, "Yes but we didn't know the extent of his injuries."
“My wife’s cousin recently discovered reed her husband had been carrying in with a colleague at work.”
Well, what the Hell was Reed carrying in with his colleague? Don’t leave us hangin’!
Freeman,
> There's no basis for an opinion.
When has that ever stopped anyone?
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.
Don't dip your wick in crazy.
"People taking sides are amusing. None of us know these people or have any idea what they're like as spouses. There's no basis for an opinion."
She probably the primary caretaker of their children..
It's not crazy for her to want more than half.
How much did you get in your divorce, Ann...?
"It's not crazy for her to want more than half."
Some young married men are going to think about this…and switch from pre-med to art history.
"maybe you scrimped together while one of you went to medical school — then you're owed a share of the earnings that only arrive later."
I guess you *can* put a price on love, after all.
"It's not crazy for her to want more than half."
JFC
@ ChrisSchuon -- I'm a true romantic.
Our family owns some farmland. My wife has suggested she divorce me and marry my mother to save on IHT. Then, if I play my cards right she might remarry me in the future. 😉
She owes him half, too.
""It's not crazy for her to want more than half."
JFC"
For plenty of women, marriage *is* about the money.
Kak,
Is that where the Richweed grows?
When you think about it, its a bit unfair that in their marriage breakups, it seems that the obligations of the higher earning partner (usually the man) continue, whilst the obligations of the ower earning partner cease. If a man is expected to continually financially support his wife, then why is she not expected to emotionally and otherwise support him in exchange for that support ?
At least a handy once in a while...
A feminist named Cassie Jaye did a documentary of the Men's Rights Movement, a male version of feminism. And she interviewed all these men who started the movement. It's kind of an astounding documentary. Ultimately she becomes the subject of her documentary, as she finds her mind being changed after all these interviews. She stopped calling herself a feminist and started calling herself a humanist.
Some of the most damning interview footage was from men who had been cut off from their children in divorce court. These men were hurting emotionally. They wanted to be fathers to their children. And all the feminists she interviewed wanted to talk about was money, money, and money.
Full movie is here.
My heart goes out to her. After she made that movie, she was cut off from all liberal funding. I think it was the end of her film career.
If you don't have time to watch the doc, you might watch her 14 minute Ted Talk
Cameron: "If a man is expected to continually financially support his wife, then why is she not expected to emotionally and otherwise support him in exchange for that support ?"
Chris Rock did a whole bit about pussy payments....
JSM
Basically she is asking for alimony or maintenance payments which the state they reside in allows. Personally this is an outdated thing. Women today are fully capable of getting an education and job. We are no longer the shrinking violet that existed when these laws came to be. Instead of pursuing a career & education she pursued a man who was poor with addiction problems. A very bad life choice that statistically was not going to end well. Somehow he beat the odds, and became rich.....and now she is treating him like she won the lottery. She is the reason why men are so hesitant to get married. First there needs to be a cap on what women can receive in child support (some states are starting to do this) and then a judge needs to look hard at what she contributed to the marriage. Especially when she initiates a no fault divorce, with money being the motivating factor. FYI They have been married 6 years. Not a bad pay out.
She absolutely doesn't deserve more than 50%. Hell, she doesn't even deserve that. His wife's behavior is just more proof that western women are some of the lowest quality people to ever walk the face of the earth. She deserves to be mercilessly mocked and jeered publicly.
The joke of a Family Court system is partially responsible for the significant decline in marriage because what goes on in there is the furthest thing from justice.
Men, never marry. If you do, you can count on being screwed over, too, when she decides she's no longer "happy" or sees an opportunity for a huge payout. It's absolutely disgusting.
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