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won the largest number of seats in November 2023 elections, sending shock waves through the Dutch political system. Mr. Wilders was able
to form a government with three other right-wing parties... after more than six months of wrangling.... Mr. Wilders had aimed to bring the 'strictest migration policy ever' to the Netherlands, something his governing partners had said they agreed with. In May 2024, the four parties reached a deal that included 'the strictest asylum admission policy and the most comprehensive migration control package ever.' But Mr. Wilders said that implementation was not going quickly enough. Last week he said he wanted to add 10 more proposals... includ[ing] calls for a complete halt to asylum, a temporary stop to family reunions for asylum seekers who had been granted refugee status and the return of all Syrians who had applied for asylum or were in the Netherlands on temporary visas. The leaders of the other coalition parties said that while they did not oppose Mr. Wilders’s plans, they wanted him to propose them in the House of Representatives. That would have taken longer and would not have guaranteed implementation...."
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"Dutch Government Collapses Over Migration Dispute/The populist Geert Wilders withdrew his right-wing party from the ruling coalition, saying partners were stalling plans for the Netherlands’ 'strictest migration policy ever'" (NYT).
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Does this mean new elections? If so, I can see Wilders’ party getting even more votes.
Liberal immigration policies were a giant mistake.
It’s not like the Romans invited the Goths, Vandals and Gauls into Rome.
Civil War in Europe is coming. Sooner, rather than later.
Countries that allow such large numbers of immigrants that are unwilling to assimilate to their host country’s values risk being lost to the wind. This was completely foreseeable. In many cases, we’re seeing Islam is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Wilder’s is trying to rip his country from its teeth.
"The leaders of the other coalition parties said that while they did not oppose Mr. Wilders’s plans, they wanted him to propose them in the House of Representatives. That would have taken longer and would not have guaranteed implementation...."
Wilders had to operate within a coalition government, and, I think he could see that going through the legislature is a method of never getting what he wants.
Compare Trump and those who question why he isn't getting what he wants through Congress.
"The proposal denounced Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology.""
which raises the Serious Question:
Isn't it? Isn't Islam a "violent, totalitarian ideology" ?
I'm not familiar with the Netherland constitution, if they even have one. But I suspect the bureaucrat class behaves in much the same manner.
Legislatures, by their very nature (propose, construct, debate, concede, payoff, etc.), delay and muck up pretty much every bill that ever completes the entire process. The "big, beautiful bill" is a perfect example. Bills start out looking like Melania and end up looking like Joy Behar on crystal meth.
“they wanted him to propose them in the House of Representatives. That would have taken longer and would not have guaranteed implementation....”
Legislators often look out for their own gain, often short term, at the cost of doing what’s right for their country at large. Wilder’s is not wrong to be suspect of that process. Yes, it happens in our own Congress every day. It’s one reason the Dems stubbornly stay on the 20 side of any 80-20 issue. Republicans were no better during Obama years, and some still. MAGA moved Republicans to the 80 side of working class issues. These changes take a long time.
“These changes take a long time.”
It’s time that all of Europe may not have. The same can be said of us.
"The proposal denounced Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology."
Well...it is.
The more time they take changing course, the more radicalized against liberalized immigration the locals become.
The vibe they give off is that the populism against the policy is temporary. They don't get it. It's like the Democrats here.
Heartless Aztec. I wonder if the young European men can remember how to fight. Where is the tipping point? How many European women need to be raped? It seems like they are so throughly indoctrinated in obedience that any action outside the political structure will never happen. But perhaps there are simply too many cameras.
Immigration policy is one thing, but the Dutch left wanted to destroy The Netherlands agriculture economy in the name of protecting the globe from warming. That was already shifting the working class to support Wilder. Importing more working class people that also hate the existing population just exacerbated the problem.
The proposal denounced Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology."
It isn’t? Maybe the writers need to check in with the Jewish community of Boulder, Colorado.
"The leaders of the other coalition parties said that while they did not oppose Mr. Wilders’s plans, they wanted him to propose them in the House of Representatives."
This is a misleading and sneaky way of putting it. In the Parlimentary system, you use your majority to pass your legislation. You don't have an open vote without the whips enforcing party discipline. The whole point of having a colitition is pass legislation or do things as the Goverment.
If the "other partners" refused to support the legilslation, that means they de facto oppposed it. Why is it so hard to get Politicians to pass restrictive immigration laws? Its like pulling teeth in every country no matter what the situation.
Unfettered immigration is the dirtiest trick ever played on Western society. It's a fundamental attack on trust - and I think citizens are wising up. They're beginning to understand that their leadership really doesn't like them very much, and considers themselves as occupying a separate and untouchable enclave - a motte within the bailey that has had its walls ruined. The rise of populism around the globe is a survival response.
What happens in other countries in the EU is the other parties will refuse to form a colitiion with a party that gets a plurality - if it is immigration restricitive. The the libtard morons in France have allied themselves with Macron. And put through Big Business legislation - supposedly against all their prinicples supporting the poor/working class - because they hate Le Pen's party which got 40 percent of the vote. Immigration uber alles.
It’s the same with all populists. They have no interest in actually governing. Indeed the difficulty of actually governing is why they are there in the first place.
Realizing that they are not fit for the task and that the business of government isn’t as easy as right-wing propaganda had had them believe they invent some populist reason to eject themselves and it’s always everyone else’s fault.
They have promised a whole load of easy answers to hard problems and when the two collide they realize they’re electorally toast if they’re made accountable for it. Dust off the old playbook: give up, find a scapegoat and start posting on ExTwitter again.
Good at running the government = 40 years dead double digit inflation and 2 trillion buck deficits. We should be hiring from the other end.
"something his governing partners had said they agreed with" Except not really. The Dutch PTB, like in much of Europe, want the border open and the national culture destroyed. So the invasion continues. Wilders does his best, but the majority prefers decline. Even in the US, even with Trump, it's a close call.
Policy isn't made on ExTwitter but by making legislative proposals. Wilders was in the position to do it, but he chose to tweet and walk away. His minister should have come up with the proposals, but didn't.
The electorate isn't served well with the amateurism of the populists. One may even disagree on the content, but the plain incompetence we get from "the populists" is a real issue.
"Strictest migration policy ever"
They didn't put up much of a fight against Germans, but they sure did against the French. What happened to those Dutch?
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You go denmark. I guess the women of denmark finally got tired of being assaulted.
"Wilders had to operate within a coalition government, and, I think he could see that going through the legislature is a method of never getting what he wants."
That's the angle presented by the NYT. For another perspective, see https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/wilders-says-enough-and-quits-dutch-government-over-asylum-dispute/
"The Hague is in chaos after Geert Wilders, the leader of the largest party in the Dutch parliament, announced that he’s taking the right-wing populist Freedom Party (PVV/PfE) out of the government. The reason is PVV’s much-needed asylum reform proposal, which failed to gather support from smaller, center-right coalition partners despite months of endless negotiations."
As RCOCEAN II mentions above, the Parliamentary system works differently. Wilders' partners stiffed him.
This is EXACTLY why the democrats and eGOP folks cry for Trump and DOGE "not doing it in the correct and proper queensbury rules manner". So they can stop it. Ignore them and go faster. But that would require republicans to take a side, oh the horror.
"Ann Althouse said...
"The leaders of the other coalition parties said that while they did not oppose Mr. Wilders’s plans, they wanted him to propose them in the House of Representatives. That would have taken longer and would not have guaranteed implementation...."
Wilders had to operate within a coalition government, and, I think he could see that going through the legislature is a method of never getting what he wants.
Compare Trump and those who question why he isn't getting what he wants through Congress."
The Dude makes a great point. IMO, the Republican Congress is playing it safe letting Trump take all the risk.
Islam still needs a reformation. It's backbone still filled with intolerance to any other religion, honor killing, Jew hate, apostate hate, subjugation of women...
None of that jives with a modern world.
Howard said...
"The Dude makes a great point. IMO, the Republican Congress is playing it safe letting Trump take all the risk."
A lot of DOGE recommendations are going to congress this week so now is a good time to get in touch with your congressperson.
Constitutional protection of religion - no philosophy or teaching that:
1. Calls for people of other religions to be killed, slaughtered, or treated as second class citizens.
2. Treats their own members or members of other religions differently based on sex, race, class or caste.
3. Allows human or animal sacrifice.
Shall be entitled to protection under the USA Constitution.
The Religion of Islam at a fundamental level is incompatible with a multicultural society. Until it goes through a massive reformation you just can't have Muslims in your country unless it is a Muslim monoculture or you want violence and unrest.
If you want a multicultural society you have to suppress Islam. They cannot coexist.
Dude1394 said...
This is EXACTLY why the democrats and eGOP folks cry for Trump and DOGE "not doing it in the correct and proper queensbury rules manner". So they can stop it. Ignore them and go faster. But that would require republicans to take a side, oh the horror.
Howard said...
The Dude makes a great point. IMO, the Republican Congress is playing it safe letting Trump take all the risk.
Alternative theory: Everyone in DC is a corrupt scumbag and the Republicans and Democrats were never really different.
Republicans in DC also oppose Trump. They are just more dishonest about it.
Ron Desantis was a congressman in 2017 and 2018. He helped Paul Ryan stab Trump in the back. People in here still think he would be a good national leader.
Most of the Republicans in DC are groomed. Just look at their college attendance. Ted Cruz is another perfect example of a DC groomed Republican pretending to be something else.
Peachy, about that Islamic reformation. See Raymond Ibrahim--he says the radicalization IS the reformation, and I agree.
Somebody above said that the Romans didn't invite the Germanic barbarians to Rome, but in fact they did. Not only in the form of military auxiliaries, but whole tribes at times,
who were intended to buffer against even worse people.
They morphed from auxiliaries and supplicants into demanding more rights and more stuff, and eventually threw off the original agreements entirely to set up on their own.
Instead of describing Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology," why not just say it is incompatible with Western civilization?
One of the remarkable things about the broad sweep of European history since Roman times is how barbarian heathens became Christians once they had carved out some territory. The Angles, Saxons, Hungarians and various Vikings became bulwarks of Christianity after some initial rough going.
The current Muslim immigration will be as unassimilable as the Ottoman Turks. They conquered lots of Christians but felt ethnically and religiously superior--and still do.
The proposal denounced Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology."
Worth repeating.
The NYTimes, which has received awards for reporting on topics later revealed to be false, really should not be considered by any serious person.
Luke Lea said...
Instead of describing Islam as a "violent, totalitarian ideology," why not just say it is incompatible with Western civilization?
If you say it is incompatible what is the almost invariable response?
“”Why?”
Now you have to give the previous answer. Wilders just skipped a step.
As they say, you have to be very careful that, in combatting the thing that you hate, you don't become the thing that you hate. Extremism on any side is dangerous.
Dave Begley: I don’t know if you were being sarcastic, but by the end of the Western Roman controlled empire, much of the Roman army was made up of Ostrogoths (Eastern Goths). They joined the Visigoth’s after being shafted one too many times by the Romans. So in a sense, they were invited in to do the work Western Romans refused to do.
The Ostrogoths had a Bible translated in Goth before it had been fully presented in Latin.
Lem Vibe Banditory said...
"The more time they take changing course, the more radicalized against liberalized immigration the locals become."
Too late now. Just as the USA can never expel the tens of millions of illegals here, the Dutch have neither the will nor the manpower to expel the ~3 million Culture Enrichers in the Netherlands. They have the added fun of knowing their immigrants tend to be violent and unassimilable. Imagine if we had 50 million followers of an unreformable death cult in America. That's what the Dutch are facing.
“Instead of describing Islam as a ‘violent, totalitarian ideology’, why not just say it is incompatible with Western civilization?”
How about this?
Islam is a violent, totalitarian ideology, incompatible with Western civilization.
Peachy, Achilles; What Narr said -- Islam has had its Reformation, and Islamism is it.
Ibn Tammiyah is their Martin Luther,
You GO, Geert!!!!!!!!!
Wilder is a hero. Not only isn't radical Islam a religion: Muslim faith isn't one. Let's finally face the truth: this is a warrior cult that oppresses women, non-believers, and justifies rape of little girls.
Is that not enough, yet? No Muslim immigration to America. Let's start telling the truth. Would youlet any similar sect in? Of course not. Especially those who are women among us us. Have you read the Koran? I have. Have you read the contemporary products explicating it, from Muslims? I have. It is in no way a religious text.
Narr is right, though their violence extends far back to colonizing Europe, which they now whine was an injustice to them when the Crucades send those scum back to their just deserts.
Kakistrophy is the only fake name that seems to reveal the true soul.
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