"That's what they would say no matter what. We're not encouraging them to break the law. In fact, one of the things that ICE is arresting people for, we're seeing all that, frankly, is not law-breaking. And then what do you do? So I think having caution right up front I think is important. Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people.... And you know if Donald Trump starts going after them, we will become a shadow of the state we are right now. We're not taking any rights away from ICE. They run the show. We just want to make sure there's an attorney there, see the documents, what's going on, can we do this someplace else rather than our place of work, and make it more reasonable?"
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"Gov. Evers says 'not encouraging' state employees to break the law in new ICE directives/Evers talked with 'UPFRONT' in a wide-ranging interview during the NFL draft in Green Bay" (WISN).
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"In fact, one of the things that ICE is arresting people for, we're seeing all that, frankly, is not law-breaking."
Perhaps Governor Evers would like to give an example of ICE arresting someone for something other than law-breaking? Just one, Governor.
"Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people ...".
Hiring illegal aliens is a crime, Governor.
Liar.
An illegal alien doesn't need to be convicted of a crime to be deported.
And what a horrible corrupt bargain between the parties: Cheap labor for country club GOP and voters for the Dems.
There seems to be some sort of bizarre legal pretzel that Dems contort themselves into to pretend that illegal aliens haven't actually broken any laws. What's up with that? It reminds me of those lunatics who start ranting on Twitter every April that akshually, you don't really have to pay income tax because of some deranged legal theory they've cooked up.
Sometimes the conditions are right for liberals to see the value of the structural safeguard called federalism.
But then they regain power and it disappears like it came.
I'm with Jupiter. The Gov asserts without evidence that ICE is arresting people but not for "law-breaking" and he should explain that. What a shock the reporter didn't follow up asking for clarification!
Literally every article I've seen on the CRIMINAL illegal alien arrests has mentioned the CRIMES the perps committed. Does he think the Federal Judge who signed the warrant for the Milwaukee Judge blithely agreed to arrest her for nothing? The rejection of reality and normality by these elected Democrats is reaching a point of crisis. I hope Evers knows someone sane who can intervene before he hurts himself.
FIFY: "Sometimes the conditions are right for liberals to momentarily pretend to see the value of the structural safeguard called federalism."
And like a gas pain, the moment passes quickly. And stinks.
he looks much better than he did in poltergeist 2
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"Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people ...".
If agriculture in Wi needs immigrant labor, they need to get a law passed to cover what they want. Is that not the right way, rather than breaking the law? Is that not what adults do?
And do farmers really need to have illegals drive their trucks or combines?
The "farm worker" thing is an absolute straw man argument.
During my vegetable farming years, which ended in 2023, I was incredibly careful to screen my workers, because after 1995 I could have lost my whole farm for a single illegal. So this has been law for 30 years !
Fortunately, I don''t remember a time when I did NOT speak Spanish, so I've long been close with the local Mexican community and -- because they absolutely hate the mojados [=we†backs] -- all I had to do was ask about any potential worker and I'd find out.
I also let them ride their horses on my farm and we finished the work week with Tecate for all. For damp, cold, late autumn harvests I provided a couple of tequila breaks on the house. It also did not hurt that I knew half the small towns they came from in west-central Mexico. Good, collegial times, and I miss them. By current conversations, at least 80 percent of the local hispanic citizens voted for Trump last November.
Dave Begley said...
Liar.
An illegal alien doesn't need to be convicted of a crime to be deported.
You might want to think that through, because I think it is his point, but also the explanation of exactly what “due process” is required. Either it is a crime that needs to be proven or a status that determines whether you have a lawful right to be in the country.
If Wisconsin farms 'need' illegals for labor, and Wisconsin cities have unemployed urban yewts, then....
....two great tastes that taste great together!
JSM
“Sometimes the conditions are right for liberals to see the value of the structural safeguard called federalism.” They aren’t real liberals and federalism only appeals to them if it produces some underhanded advantage for Democrats.
"In fact, one of the things that ICE is arresting people for, we're seeing all that, frankly, is not law-breaking."
What? They're illegal aliens, not any of that "undocumented" nonsense. This guy is talking out of his ass.
I can't believe these morons picked this hill to die on.
Liberalism is a philosophy of divergence... Diversity.
"Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people.... And you know if Donald Trump starts going after them, we will become a shadow of the state we are right now" Sounds awfully like the question of who was going to pick the cotton if there weren't slaves. And if they're illegal aliens, aren't they in Wisconsin illegally?
We just want to make sure there's an attorney there, see the documents, what's going on, can we do this someplace else rather than our place of work, and make it more reasonable?
So, it seems that as long as ICE can provide evidence of illegal entry - preferably carried by an ICE attorney who travels with the detention team - and they don't embarrass or, frankly, implicate an employer by doing the deed at the place of (illegal) employment, and are certain to call everyone Sir and Ma'am, that'll do the trick?
I'm given to understand that we still have guest worker programs. Isn't it preferable for ICE to show up at the place where the guest worker documentation ought to be held - the place of work - so they can confirm a person's status as either permitted or not permitted to work in the US? Isn't that part of the due process they want?
Well Tony Evers was State Superintendent of Public Instruction for 10 years--and his career rose through teaching and education administration. There are a lot of dumb ideas in that profession. But when ICE arrests an "undocumented worker" Tony wants the papers there; he wants an attorney there; and he wants it someplace away from the work place. So the papers, the illegal alien, the attorney and ICE all repair to the local Motel 6 so the cows don't get disturbed. Only one problem--there are a heck of a lot more illegal aliens/undocumented workers in this country than there are attorneys. So thank you Joe Biden.
All right then. How about some details and not just a politician's blah blah blah.
"Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people.... "
We all know this is true, but is it?
"...not law-breaking..."
Who the fuck does Tony Evers think he's talking to? Four-years-old don't vote.
Ficta said...
There seems to be some sort of bizarre legal pretzel that Dems contort themselves into to pretend that illegal aliens haven't actually broken any laws. What's up with that?
Never under estimate the lengths that Leftists will go to so they don't have to admit that they fucked up.
"In fact, one of the things that ICE is arresting people for, we're seeing all that, frankly, is not law-breaking. And then what do you do? So I think having caution right up front I think is important. Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people..."
What a liar! Breaking the immigration laws is "Law-breaking". And the fact that some farmers use illegal alien is irrelevant. Once again, Democrats just pick and choose which laws they want to enforce or follow. And when anyone breaks one of their "Good Laws" they screech about "The rule of law" and come down on them like 12 tons of bricks.
There's no reason to care what Evers says because he will say anything to push his leftwing agenda and he will do anything to gain and keep power. I hope he or his wife gets robbed or raped by an illegal alien.
Keep this in mind: Good ol Tony evers, whose heart bleeds for illegal aliens doesn't give a damn if you - an Legal resident or American citizen - get run over by an illegal, are vicitimized by an illegal, or lose your job because of an illegal. Or catch a disease because the illegal wasn't tested before he was allowed in.
He.Does.Not. Care. Because to good ol' Tony Evers all that matters is cheap labor and more votes for the D party.
We're not taking any rights away from ICE. They run the show. We just want to make sure..
that ICE is impotent, fer sure!
But think of the wife beaters and rapists and murders!
CadEVERS and his M13 gang of gov employees known that unless Rachel Morin and Laken Riley die, WI will be a shadow of it's current self. Maybe he thinks that the blood in the soil will help the farmers grow the crops? KALI MA!
After all he is a man of "education."
The, we need illegal immigrants for cheap lettuce, argument is nauseating. It is one step above slave labor and democrats should be ashamed of themselves for even mentioning it. Are there any blue dog democrats left?
If you take away the business licenses of those who employ illegals it can go faster.
..."the explanation of exactly what “due process” is required. Either it is a crime that needs to be proven or a status that determines whether you have a lawful right to be in the country...."
Which would have been the responsibility of the administration that allowed the illegal wave to come flooding in, facilitating it. Since they saw no need to enforce /screen / duly process, then it follows that they are in no position to demand it.
Booby prize goes to journalists, fresh from their dinner where they proclaimed that 'they was deceived I tells ya' about Joe Bidens dementia. They are continuing their proud tradition of Democrat Operatives by failing to press with the hard questions when a pol like Evers spouts this kind of claptrap.
The most brilliant thing about the ICE strategy is that it's focusing on the very worst of illegal alien criminals, first. This has provided a very nice 'Parade of Horribles' for the Democrats to defend on 'mud principles', shrieking outrage that these are somehow 'victims'. Excellent.
Lucien: "If you take away the business licenses of those who employ illegals it can go faster."
Very insightful. That's how the Covid stuff was enforced.
JSM
Farming only accounts for around 2 percent illegal. The vast majority, around 40 percent or so, are building trades and services like cleaning staff. The governor should get his 'facts' straight. Plus, if the states would just follow existing law, there would be virtually no illegals.
Gullible Althouse believes Evers when he states “We're not encouraging them [state employees] to break the law.” Big Mike was not born yesterday.
In Madison they love the Governor and they're all doing what they can do.
I'm pretty sure that when a LEO is attempting to arrest a perp, there's no Due Process requirement that a lawyer be present to make sure there's a valid basis for the arrest. It's no different in the immigration setting. The governor's suggestion that an illegal aliens shouldn't be arrested unless there's a lawyer present is unrealistic, unworkable, and constitutionally unnecessary. If an arrestee has a legal argument that their arrest or removal was invalid, let them assert their challenges after the fact, just as criminal defendants do.
So Wisconsin can’t survive without exploiting illegal alien labor and the billions thrown away by government to support the crime associated. Losers.
"Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people."
It's high time Donald Trump started perp-walking some farmers.
I'd start with the CEO of Tyson Foods.
The rich need to pay their fair share.
The CSA I participate in employs legal immigrants. They just sent out a message about it. The paperwork is being worked on last week and this week. Evers is asserting without evidence.
So, because Wisconsin farmers find it more profitable to hire illegal aliens, Wisconsin can declare itself a "sanctuary state" and refuse to cooperate with, and take actions to thwart ICE officials in enforcing federal immigration law? By the same reasoning, any state that legalizes possession of Schedule 1 narcotics could declare itself a sanctuary for any enterprise supplying its residents with such narcotics. (Like everything else, it's probably more profitable for those enterprises to import such narcotics from Mexico, passing the savings on to the customers.) I suppose that logic would even support a sanctuary for businesses smuggling goods tariff-free into the state. And it's all good under "federalism." And here I thought the Constitution's Supremacy Clause was written to take that kind of power away from states.
Evers makes me cringe. Wish the Wisconsin democrats would be more concerned about the pedos in their ranks than illegal migrants, google Adam Westbrook.
I guess it is time to send all of the illegals we can't send back to Wisconsin!!!
Sometimes the conditions are right for liberals to see the value of the structural safeguard called federalism.
This isn't federalism. This is a grotesque twisting of the concept that bubbles out of the penumbra of a Roe v. Wade supporter. You are so angry about the 10th and 9th amendments you can't even present the idea fairly.
This is aiding and abetting. Evers belongs in jail. He is committing crimes in order to facilitate extra congressional representation and cheap labor for his cronies.
The democrat party was founded on exploitation of illegal immigrants. Nothing has changed in 200 years. The Blue states are no different than the Confederates 160 years ago.
But maybe Ann is just mad it will cost more for the things working class people do.
Wisconsin is all Gouda’d up with this Pencil-necked Geek of a governor.
I wonder what the law enforcement authorities in Wisconsin would make if they had to deal with this approach in everyday policing? Respond to an armed robbery call, but every person they try to ask (where'd he go, what'd he look like?) demanded to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions. Same thing when they try to access the FBI data base on a perp: show us your authority to pursue this suspect, is he charged with a crime, do you have a judicial warrant, what's your badge number, can I talk to your supervisor, I have to take to my supervisor.
Jamie (11:21am):
You mention guest worker programs. Some of them are useful and totally unobjectionable. I still remember a fascinating article in the Washington Post ~20-30 years ago about who picked the apples up and down the East Coast. The answer was Jamaican fisherman. They said that apple-picking season is the off-season for fishing in Jamaica (I don't know if the fish aren't biting, or the seas are too stormy). The were flown to the US, stayed in crappy little huts, ate crappy food cooked on hotplates, worked long hours, and went home a few weeks later with what was not much money by American standards, but a lot by Jamaican standards.
They all had wives and children and fishing boats back in Jamaica, so there was no danger of them skipping away and turning into illegals. And they couldn't be replaced by college students or unemployed Americans, no matter how much you paid. Picking apples at the top of a 30' or 40' ladder is easy and safe for someone who's spent years climbing the rigging of a sailboat tossing on the sea. College students or unemployed Americans would be far more likely to fall off the ladder and be killed or crippled.
In short, a win-win situation for apple growers and Jamaican fishermen. Governor Evers should try to set up guest worker programs like that, where the workers were guaranteed to go home at the end of their stint.
Federalism.
State's Rights.
Potato, Potatoe?
RCOCEAN II @11:38, I'd say "shame on you" if I thought you were capable of shame.
I seem to recall a time when you hadn't yet lost your mind about Jews, or maybe it's just that they'd been keeping their heads down so it never came up. And now wishing rape on the wife of a pol.
So, because Wisconsin farmers find it more profitable to hire illegal aliens, Wisconsin can declare itself a "sanctuary state" and refuse to cooperate with, and take actions to thwart ICE officials in enforcing federal immigration law?
The part before the "and", as the latter is illegal.
Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people.... And you know if Donald Trump starts going after them, we will become a shadow of the state we are right now
Those Democrats just can't give up on having their slaves do the crops. One could have hoped that Northern Democrats, would be better about it, but one would clearly be wrong about that.
He's just about chanting "State's Rights trump Federal laws!"
No, Tony, they don't. Yes Tony, ICE has an absolute legal right to arrest every single illegal they can find, and you can not do ANYTHING to stop them.
You can't be forced to help them, but you can be arrested and thrown in jail for obstructing them
In fact, one of the things that ICE is arresting people for, we're seeing all that, frankly, is not law-breaking.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1325&num=0&edition=prelim
§1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of-
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
To be here illegally is "law-breaking"
It's amazing how quickly Democrat forget that whole "nobody is above the law" thing when it's no longer a "law" they want enforced.
We just want to make sure there's an attorney there
No, not required
see the documents
The judge was shown the documents, and she then set out to obstruct justice and block the arrest
can we do this someplace else rather than our place of work
No, you fucked up worthless pile of shit, toucan't make your "place of work" a "Federal law free zone"
make it more reasonable?"
Trump IS making it more reasonable by hunting down all the illegals and deporting them.
It is YOU who are try ing to make things unreasonable, by making it more difficult for Trump to enforce the law, than it was for Biden to violate it
Leland said...
You might want to think that through, because I think it is his point
Yeah, his point is he hates the "rule of law" and doesn't want US immigration law enforced.
but also the explanation of exactly what “due process” is required
To arrest the illegal? Pretty much nothing other than an assertion that he's an illegal.
Which is just about all teh "due process" needed to arrest someone when the police have been called in on a "domestic dispute"
Either it is a crime that needs to be proven or a status that determines whether you have a lawful right to be in the country.
he had already been deported once for being an illegal. They compared the fingerprints of the deported illegal with the fingerprints of the accused domestic violence criminal, and there was a match.
So they went to arrest him.
Whatever due process is due him comes AFTER he's in ICE detention, for which neither Tony nor anyone else in the WI State Gov't has ANY jurisdiction
According to the article, the instruction is that state employees should not talk to ICE without a lawyer. State employees are not the farm workers. The lawyer has nothing to do with process for who ICE is inquiring about -- unless they are inquiring about the state employee, which is a different kind of scandal. Perhaps it is to protect state employees if "just following orders" runs them into an obstruction trap or exposes them to aiding and abetting. So what are the orders? Why wouldn't the state provide information to ICE as it shares information with federal authorities all the time? Why doesn't the "lawyers" missive attach to all communications with the federal government?
File under questions I'd like to see Evers asked.
A focus on self-deportation would really be helpful. If the illegal aliens could not be hired, could not get welfare and other benefits, etc., that would be of great assistance to the effort to correct the invasion the Biden Administration, Democrats and RINOs have facilitated.
This would require a major law enforcement effort of course.
""Think about the farmers in the state of Wisconsin, they have all sorts of undocumented people.... "
- which itself is a federal crime for which the employer should be prosecuted. I don't think that's the flex he thinks it is.
"So, it seems that as long as ICE can provide evidence of illegal entry - preferably carried by an ICE attorney who travels with the detention team - and they don't embarrass or, frankly, implicate an employer by doing the deed at the place of (illegal) employment, and are certain to call everyone Sir and Ma'am, that'll do the trick?"
Exactly why would ICE need to provide evidence of illegal entry. The onus is on the immigrant to show not only legal entry, but a right to work.
Christopher B said...
Federalism.
State's Rights.
Potato, Potatoe?
Democrats want to exploit foreign illegal laborers and count the people they exploit for congressional representation.
They declare states rights to do so.
The Confederates are back to their old ways.
This can go the easy way or the hard way. They picked the hard way in 1860. They are in a much worse position to fight this time.
Democrats keeping picking bad hills to defend. And the crony-media that keep the low information voters in line will regret taking that road.
Pure b******* actually. Gov. Evers and other Wreckers use this tactic: "Nice doggy! Nice doggy!" until they can reach around and find a big rock or a stick to club us with? F*** him. Don't trust or believe ANYTHING they say. Truth isn't real to them. It's just a tactic to buy time when they need it, and nothing more.
Behold Tony Evers, The Great Magician! Watch as he carefully pulls a rabbit out of the hat that he put the rabbit into thirty seconds ago! "See, the not-illegal-alien-who -entered-the-country-illegally should be allowed to stay." Once you define the illegal alien as a not-illegal alien, it's easy to complete the trick. In the words of Ryan George during one of his "Pitch Meetings" on You Tube, it's, "Barely an inconvenience."
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