The Biden administration went big and then Trump went big. Biden could have shown mercy and aimed to bring Americans together, but he chose to be as punitive as possible. And this is after so much tolerance and forgiveness was shown to the Black Lives Matter rioters, to those crossing the border illegally, and to his political cronies and family matters. In that light, I have nothing negative to say about Trump's sweeping magnanimity.
January 21, 2025
"Beyond the effect the pardons and commutations will have on the lives of those who received them, they also served Mr. Trump’s mission of rewriting the history of Jan. 6."
"Throughout his presidential campaign and after he won the election, he has tried repeatedly to play down the violent nature of the Capitol attack and reframe it, falsely, as a 'day of love.'... As a legal matter, the pardons and commutations effectively unwound the largest single criminal inquiry the Justice Department has undertaken in its 155-year history. They wiped away all of the charges that had already been brought and the sentences already handed down while also stopping any new cases from moving forward.
Starting virtually from the moment the Capitol was breached, investigators spent more than four years obtaining warrants for thousands of cellphones and Google accounts, scrolling through tens of thousands of hours of police body-camera and surveillance camera footage, and running down hundreds of thousands of tips from ordinary citizens.... Mr. Trump appears to have decided to grant an expansive form of clemency relatively recently and after a debate among his advisers.... A few weeks ago, Vice President JD Vance said... 'If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned,' Mr. Vance said, but... Mr. Vance’s comments elicited almost immediate outrage among many of the rioters... ... Philip Anderson, who was accused of taking part in a violent scrum in a tunnel outside the Capitol, wrote on social media. 'All J6 defendants need to be saved.'..."
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The Dems ran on The Insurrection. Trump won. That’s democracy.
Yes, Democrats have lost their mojo. They are a day late and $100 Billion short. They can enjoy their nazi salute hoax while they wait to be further disgraced by the upcoming act blue fraud investigation.
This way, the NYTimes and other Democrat-supporting papers can ignore totally the corruption of the Biden Clan and lots of Democrats that necessitated all the pardons from Biden. Everybody wins!
Well I have plenty to say. First we still have the murder of Ashli Babbitt that has gone unpunished. Not only did the DOJ not prosecute Lt Byrd for the killing, Pelosi gave him a medal.
Second, this isnt about "everyone being fair" its about the Democrats trying to use lawfare to destroy their opposition while letting their supporters burn and riot without punishment. The elephant in the room is the refusal of the Democrats, including the DNC media, to use the law and 2 standards of justice, to get their way. And punish their enemies.
But, I guess this will all be swept under the carpet, and we can all hug ourselves and chant "Move on.org" until 2029 when a new Democrat DoJ will start the same thing all over again.
Fauci’s pardon was not limited to nonviolent offenses. Maybe because manslaughter and second degree murder are violent offenses? How many were killed because of Fauci’s illegal gain of function research?
A crowd trying to make sure the election was counted correctly, and election run in a way that both looked rigged and could not be audited. Those appearances are both on the government, and you're entitled to say if it looks rigged, it's rigged.
They could have run it otherwise.
...investigators spent more than four years obtaining warrants for thousands of cellphones and Google accounts, scrolling through tens of thousands of hours of police body-camera and surveillance camera footage, and running down hundreds of thousands of tips from ordinary citizens...
Imagine the outrage of the NYT if that level of police-state intrusion and overkill had been applied to the Floyd or Portland rioting. But it's those horrid Trump people, so CRUSH THEM AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!
The main lessons I learned from the BLM vs. J6 protests were: (1) don't bring a cell phone, and (2) wear a mask.
The Democrats turning a blind eye to BLM riots, turning a blind eye to the attacks on the SC justices, and assigning the short and tubby female Secret Service detail to Trump (the assassination photo) will be Democrats brand for a generation.
That NYTs would continue to falsely assert that the J6 was "violent" and that Trump no basis for his assertions is just par for the course. WHen did the NYT's retract their statement that an officer was killed by a fire exstinguisher? Was it 3 months, or 6 months after they originally reported it? And repeated it?
Or when did they stop using the false and absurd word "Insurrection" to describe a protest/riot? Or stop falsely asserting that TRump "Incited" the riot?
Something needs to be done about having Federal Trials in DC. Its obvious given the aquittals of several Democrats/Leftwing Bureaucrats and the 100 percent conviction rate of the j6ers, that Trump supporters and Republicans cannot get a fair trial there. Its 94 percent Democrat.
Now, with all of the pressures removed and the legal matters made moot: Now, release all of the Jan 6 tapes.
And then Byrd got a pardon from Biden.
IAA if you are going to use the term political cronies, perhaps most apt also to use the term insurrection compadres.
NYT publishes a handmade tale about January 6th.
The English called and want their label back.
I'm astounded that the DOJ would admit they spent more on a minor protestor riot than on 9/11.
Oh, yeah. The jerk store called. You're their all-time best seller.
Mrs. Pelosi, tear down the fence.
My view is that (supposedly) Biden pardoning the people behind the J6 witch hunt forced Trump’s hand here. He had been talking about only pardoning those convicted of non-violent crimes. But then Biden pardoned those, like Lt Byrd, likely guilty of violent crimes (there, the killing of Ashli Babbitt), and Trump was essentially forced to pardon those convicted of violent crimes - esp since he (and most of us) knew that most of the violence had been initiated by the Capital Police (along with AntiFA, FBI assets, etc).
I wonder if AOC still wants the Capitol Police investigated for complicity in the J6 riot. I'm not kidding. At one time she stated that she thinks it is suspicious that the police opened the doors for the "rioters" and just let them in. Perhaps someone took her aside and explained things to her.
The Democrats' change in process and attitude between the year 2000 (Al Gore vs. GW Bush) with Florida's hanging chads versus "nothing to see here, move along" in 2020 was astounding. And Biden was reported as receiving 81M votes -- 16M more than Hillary and 6M more than Kamala.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-States-Presidential-Election-Results-1788863
Will the NYT ever interview any of these people?
Imagine applying that level of effort to the Biden family's finances. Oh, that's only done to Trump's finances.
Certainly, J6 was an ugly day by any measure, but it was preceded by an even uglier day in November when election irregularities went nuclear. And even an uglier day in March of 2020 when people rode roughshod over our civil liberties. I'm quite sick of hearing the fake news phonies lecture me about J6 when they turned a blind eye to ALL the corruption and malfeasance that preceded. There's a lot of housecleaning that needs to be done, from universities to newsrooms to federal agencies. But I won't sit on a hot stove waiting to see it happen.
Well, I'm wondering about that. Can the President pardon a murder? That is generally a State crime. Perhaps it's different in DC? But Babbitt's family can still sue that evil bastard, and I sincerely hope they will. Of course, the suit would have to be filed in DC. It would be like suing Sauron in Mordor.
We may assume that different members of the crowd had different motivations, and perhaps different agendas. But it is overwhelmingly clear that there was an organized conspiracy to use them to create a riot, by removing fences and signs around the Capitol, among other actions. It remains to be seen who the organizers were. I trust that Trump has assigned some people to find out.
Exactly.
Oh, J6 was violent. The riot began when the Capitol Police fired tear gas and flash-bangs into a crowd of peaceful demonstrators, and then began shooting people in the face with rubber bullets. They ended by murdering several demonstrators. Whether it was a few bad apples, a top-down conspiracy, or they are all a gang of criminal thugs, is another question that merits investigation.
The J6 protesters are going to be compenssted.
It's worse than that. Look at what Letitia James and Alvin Bragg did to Trump in NYC, and the absurd damages against Rudy Guiliani in Atlanta. Look at what the Leftists are doing to John Eastman, in multiple jurisdictions. Fani Willis is still pursuing RICO charges against Trump supporters, and the fine citizens of Atlanta just re-elected her fat, corrupt ass. The place is a lawless shithole and anyone can be sucked in.
"he chose to be as punitive as possible" Correct. That turned the rest of us anti-J6 deplorables into pro-pardonists. His FU deserved our FU.
how does someone get as STUPID, as Joe Biden?
i mean.. REALLY? is it special classes, or what?
HE could have pardoned the Jan6 rioters (which he KNEW would happen with or without him); and then HE could have actually pointed to Something he did do unify America. This could have (SHOULD HAVE) been together with his other Jan6 pardons.
But, NO! Joe Biden will go down in history as the worst excuse for a figurehead this country has Ever had
Starting virtually from the moment the Capitol was breached
Actually, it started long before the breach. It started when the feds (once again) infiltrated various groups and started suggesting and agitating for such action.
" reframe it, falsely, as a 'day of love.'."
Just like the Summer of Love!
Looks like the DC prison system is trying slow-roll release of J6 prisoners and refusing to honor pardons. Not suprising. Scum to the end.
"Will the NYT ever interview any of these people?" I thought they interviewed some relatives of some imprisoned J6ers who hoped they'd stay in prison and not be pardoned. But they'll never admit the persecution of the J6ers were unjust or unfair in anyway.
All Party members are exactly stupid as needed at any given moment.
Aren’t some of the J6 commutations pending further review?
The Congress can pass a law retroactively allowing suits for torts by federal personnel to be filed and heard in the Defendant's district of residence.
If they had given everyone fines for trespassing and arrested those who did assault anyone, then I might think otherwise. But you know it is BS when Ray Epps is called some hero when he is the only person I’ve seen pushing for people to go inside the Capitol. Then there is the obvious disparity in prosecution of J6’ers, none of whom flung torches into the Capitol, and then giving light sentences to two lawyers that burned a cop car on Jan 21, 2017, and then no outcry for prosecution of BLM protestors.
J6 was a set up to put as many Trump supporters in prison so they couldn’t fund him or vote for him, then to prosecute Trump to keep him out of government. It failed.
The riot began when the Capitol Police fired tear gas and flash-bangs into a crowd of peaceful demonstrators
... and uninformed officers who were caught in the middle.
Cause, effect, and self-defense.
Reports on X are that the US Marshall is at the prison this afternoon. Some live feeds, but info seems foggy.
Well said, Professor. You have expressed my sentiments - thank you.
Byrd never testified before the J6 committee so therefore did not get pardoned.
Most of the January 6th prisoners had their civil rights violated by the Biden DoJ and the judges on the D.C. Circuit. These people need to sued in federal court and the Trump DoJ should not oppose any discovery requests in these lawsuits- all of the prosecutors and staff need to have their e-mails and phone logs opened up for examination by the prisoners' lawyers.
Biden could have shown mercy and aimed to bring Americans together, but he chose to be as punitive as possible. Biden and everyone around him knew he was installed via voter fraud. They had no choice but to throw down and give into their natural totalitarian impulses.
They New York Times and other media shill who pushed the J6 bullshit and helped cover for the FBI, Pelosi, and the Capital Police are still clinging to false hope.
Gotta love the NYT whining about Trump allegedly "rewriting the history of Jan. 6." After all, rewriting history is their job, and they're pissed he horned in on it.
As a legal matter, the pardons and commutations effectively unwound the largest single criminal inquiry the Justice Department has undertaken in its 155-year history - Covering up voter fraud for an installed fake President is no small task.
If DC is slowing the release of pardoned prisoners, the prisoners should file a class action law suit. The administration should then immediately offer to settle the law suit with hefty payments to each former prisoner and maybe some payments to a bunch of conservative NGOs as well. Take the settlement out of the DC budget.
Althouse: I have nothing negative to say about Trump's sweeping magnanimity. Thanks Professor. Considering in Wisconsin we saw the same happen to the WI State Capitol building during the Act 10 protests, and then watched Beta-Cuck Tony Evers purposefully let Kenosha burn.... it's hard to place criminality on the entrapped J6 protesters.
I didn't realize Biden had pardoned every Capital Hill policemen and LE officer that testified before the J6 committe. I'm not sure what they are being pardoned for exactly. Just their testimony? Or anything they've ever done?
since he (and most of us) knew that most of the violence had been initiated by the Capital Police (along with AntiFA, FBI assets, etc).
What you know and reality are two entirely different things.
What financial gain do you think Trump will realize from his J6 pardons?
Now I ask, what financial gain do you think Biden has/will realize from his pardons of his family, Fauci, Milley, Cheney, etc? I pictured Dr. Jill sitting at a folding table outside the front door of the West Wing with a tin cash box collecting checks from the passing limousines.
nice Constitution you have there
It even comes with wiper-upper attachment
In that light, I have nothing negative to say about Trump's sweeping magnanimity.
Good for you
@Jupiter: There were many useful idiots in the crowd. They took the bait.
I can't wait for her PTSD claim and refusal to report to the Capitol, as the J6ers who made her feel threated when she wasn't even in the building are now loose. Crazy, crazy eyes.
Biden pardoned the criminals then Trump pardoned the innocents. What’s not to love?
...investigators spent more than four years obtaining warrants for thousands of cellphones and Google accounts, scrolling through tens of thousands of hours of police body-camera and surveillance camera footage, and running down hundreds of thousands of tips from ordinary citizens...
This is the same bit that stuck out to me. It's of a piece with "34 felonies" and "convicted felon": a statement intended to imply guilt (or to claim it outright!), relating to a situation designed to manufacture a crime.
Typoed my first attempt, darn it.
like thanos with his snap of the fingers
The first draft of the history of J6 is a lie, a political narrative, and an integral part of the plan from the get go.
Hopefully the pardons are just the beginning of righting the wrongs of the whole business.
the payoff was in the various concessions like congolese koltan or kazakh uranium
yep including michael byrd, the one who shot ashley babbitt,
For fifty years we on the right have been told we cannot punish leftwing rioters, because the First Amendment is so important that we cannot come within miles of *appearing* to punish speech. 1/n
Now we were always frustrated by this "rule," and we wouldn't have chosen this "rule" if anyone had asked us (and of course no one ever does), but we did accept, grudgingly, that this was the rule: Speech is so important we must tolerate some violent "speech." 2/n
We always doubted this "rule" would protect US if WE engaged in the violent "speech" favored by Democrat client groups, but until J6, we had no PROOF that the "rule" did not also protect us. 3/n
Then, of course, J6 happened and the left became the most bloodthirsty Jalvert-like hounds of merciless justice. They proved to us once and for all the "rule" we never agreed to wasn't even a "rule," but just another special privilege of Democrat ally-groups. 4/n
Source: https://x.com/AceofSpadesHQ/status/1881758406991872319
Biden, as usual, is a light weight. But he does light the path to abuse of power.
In that light, just imagine:
I Donald J. Trump do hereby pardon, for any Federal crime, real or imagined the following:
- Any and all family members including family by marriage,
- Cabinet members appointed by me along with any other political appointees I might make, and
- Any donor to my campaign in amounts over $100,000.
These pardons shall include the time from the moment of birth of the recipient and will only end at the moment my successor takes his or her oath of office.
Please note:
Leftists constantly refer to J6 as an "insurrection" but none of the J6's were convicted or even tried for insurrection. They couldn't even put up a strong enough of an argument to get a DC judge and jury to consider insurrection. The Supreme Court also ruled that some of the charges brought against J6's were not valid; they were prosecutorial overreach. The hysteria from the left is based on their own rhetoric not the actual charges.
When you hear insurrection from someone, they are not describing what happened - they are gas lighting you to make you believe that that's what happened.
Fuck it. I have a list of the Marxist terrorists who committed murder or attempted murder of police and soldier’s families at Fort Dix, in Detroit, San Franscio, and elsewhere.
Thousands would have been killed or maimed. Thank you, Larry Grathwohl, now forgotten, for going undercover with Obama mentor Bill Ayers and that whore Bernardine Dohrn after teaching generations before them how to make bombs wrong. R.I.P. to a real Hero.
Over on Instapundit I’m reading that the DC MPD is refusing to release the people Trump pardoned. It’s not clear what grounds they think they have for continuing to hold the prisoners, but perhaps Trump needs to go on TV and advise the MPD that if they do not comply with his orders they will be arrested and prosecuted for kidnapping. Something along those lines.
I’m also reading about a J6 prisoner who has been held without trial for more than 4 years. Perhaps the judge in his case needs to be advised on the text of the Sixth Amendment? Or better yet, be advised that if said judge chooses not to believe in the Sixth Amendment maybe that judge needs to be sentenced while ignoring the Eighth.
and the leonard peltier pardon, the susan rosenberg pardon by the clintons, as well as the faln bombers of frances tavern, of course there was the remaining faln bomber, lopez contrera, (sic)
Another piece of advice. Stay the hell away from Steve Bannon.
there have been a bunch of hack judges like carl nichols, timothy hogan, and royce lamberth, who have enabled this fraud
the Church where Trump yesterday was one of the targets of these latter day WeatherUndergrounders
This episode was one of if not THE most disgusting thing our government has ever done to it's citizens. And it was ALL done for politics, no other reason. I think I read there was a 93% conviction rate or something like that. Why? Because they charged them with disgusting hyped up charges and they were all afraid to not take the lesser ones.
They were STILL tracking down grandmothers last week.
If Trump did nothing else BUT pardon the J6 political prisoners, he would be a great president in my eyes. I have nothing but disgust and hatred of the fbi/doj/fbi agents/j6 committee and all of the rest of the democrat cabal that put these people in a soviet gulag. I hope the fbi is demolished to the ground and every agent is fired.
Disgusting and I hope they rot in hell.
Sure is punitive to prosecute participants in a bumbling coup, and not even bring the ringleaders to trial. Really unfair.
Lesson to remember next time I try to overthrow a government: if things go wrong just whine and cry about how life is unfair.
Oh, if President Trump does not do this,he will be proven to have been naive. The democrats have opened the door of going after your political enemies. Republicans either do it in kind, or get curb stomped every time a democrat is in charge. That is a fact.
So from now on, as President Trump said, a horrible precedent has been created. Republicans and Donal Trump would be idiots for not protecting themselves against democrat lawfare in the future.
It is what Gen. Milley did, and then there is Alex Vindman’s wife.
https://x.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1881825400701288733
From your link: "This is UNBELIEVABLE."
Sadly, it's not.
The protestors never crossed the barricades till the capital police started firing flash grenades and rubber bullets. The crowd had permits to be there.
Standard operating procedure to get a crowd out of hand. In Maidan Square, Maidan movement snipers fired into the crowd, then blamed it on police, and the whole thing ballooned into a coup and to the establishment of a government friendly to the US and hostile to Moscow, by some strange coincidence. Which was exactly the opposite of what the people of Ukraine actually wanted, as shown by the government that they democratically elected that was overthrown.
I know that there are people who disagree, but honestly, I am sick of arguing with them, you can believe them if you want.
He should have done it in July. Yesterday would have been his second Inaugural.
+++
Lesson to remember next time I try to overthrow a government...
If they wanted to overthrow the government, they would have. They didn't.
I love that they are complaining on network TV that some of these people hadn't even been tried yet. As for Biden's pardons? Crickets. This is why you have people claiming that Biden is an honorable man ---Censorship.
Yeah, the ringleaders didn't even tell them to arm themselves for their coup to overthrow the government.
Keep telling yourself how righteous you are.
You have a long and humbling stretch of political sunlight coming your way.
It was pretty cool watching Johnson,Byron Donalson,JD VANCE ALL SAYING IN INTERVIEWS "OF COURSE TRUMP WONT PARDON THE VIOLENT ONES" especially the head of both groups PROUD BOYS AND oath KEEPERS. and then of course he did because thats trump ,why would it be a surprise. Close nit group ,totally out of the loop.. miss lyndsey and the others all hiding from reporters,running like the guy in the tundra skinny white dude Senator. forget his name..Police departments around country obviously very happy this occurred they voted him in so there ya go! beautiful..No sense getting your hair on fire if you do it in the name of trump your good!! It will be interesting watching trump brown shirts start the round ups,, I just missed the Japanese internment but I should be around for this one..beautiful 47 beaucup dinky dau!
As a legal matter, the pardons and commutations effectively unwound the largest single criminal inquiry the Justice Department has undertaken in its 155-year history.
Why is it that the Left fails to understand that while they ignore their own history, their opponents do not?
For the opponents of the Left, that the Left loves show trials comes as no surprise at all. And the response of the Democrats to this charge is "oh, we'd NEVER do that!". To which the Republicans say "Oh, yeah??".
"especially the head of both groups PROUD BOYS AND oath KEEPERS"- Neither one of those men were even in Washington D.C. during the protest on January 6 that Democrat Party members turned into a riot, fucking Democrat Party moron.
@boatbuilder, his handlers never would have allowed it.
That Biden pardoned the J6 Committee and Capitol Police who perjured themselves proves how right Trump is about the J6 protest.
Regarding the people not yet released: Trump only pardoned convicted defendants. That alone could take some time - jails often release the wrong guy when they are just doing onesie-twosies, let alone hundreds at once, so the jailers have to follow their processes.
Trump further directed that cases be dismissed for any pre-trial defendants, but that will take more time, both internally (getting AUSAs to write motions to dismiss) and externally (getting judges to approve the motions). I suppose if the career prosecutors and DC judges really drag their feet, he could do another pardon to speed it up. But he and the J6'ers probably don't want to be saddled with the nyah-nyah-a-pardon-is-an-admission-of-guilt crap if they don't have to.
JSM
The Captial was no more "breached" than Bonnie Blue's vagina.
Be a good Democrat, Alessandra
It's '47' now, STINKY !
Bill Shipley has been a tireless defender of the Jan 6 defendants since early on, and has done a lot of it on his own dime, the rest on donations, and almost all of it pro-bono to the defendants. He deserves a lot of credit and recognition for his work, which is unusually well-informed by his long career as a prosecutor. This is the kind of hero you give Presidential medals to, for their good citizenship and their dedication to society.
The comments on that article are unhinged.
As our late friend "Dixus" was trying to do on this forum.
I agree. Well done.
Ok, as a matter of logic, one cannot pardon people for future acts. If you did so, what is to prevent them from, say, executing some enemy? On the other hand (apologies for my damned economist training), you could pardon them from day 1, as Biden did with Hunter and Fauci, to present, and make the only thing not filled in be the date that the signature is applied.
Prefer seditious conspiracy?
@john mosby, your comment makes sense, unfortunately for the judges, prosecutors, and the DC MPD no one is interested in what looks like deliberate foot dragging in defiance of Trump’s executive order. They can get their asses in gear or they can expect repercussions. Trump is not in the White House to eff around with the pettifoggery of die hard resistors.
It is BEYOND time to end DC as anything more than some federal buildings. Designate zones around buildings and monuments and send the residents to Maryland. DC is unable to govern itself. Has proven its inability to do so repeatedly. Was never meant to be a place to reside in the first place.
If the President issued the pardon....no. There is no further review.
I find it amazing that they went nationwide to bring in people who were near the Capitol --- but the person, seen on video, planting pipe bombs at the DNC and RNC? Cannot figure out who that person is four years later.
Which says the person was a Fed.
Or, perhaps the judge needs to be brought up on charges in regards to blatant violation of civil rights. Ditto everybody in the DC prison system,.
A DEEP cleaning is needed.
I am annoyed that Trump has ever returned to that church. That church sided with the people trying to burn it down, NOT the person preventing that. To heck with them.
How would 1/6 have led to a takeover of the government by the protesters? Can you provide ANY roadmap that would approach leading to that?
Then why weren't they tried for sedition?
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