"Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps said in a statement that the missile attack had been in retaliation for the assassinations of Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, Hamas’s political leader, Ismail Haniyeh, and an Iranian commander. The statement said Iran would launch more missiles if Iran were attacked.... Loud booming explosions were heard above Tel Aviv, and flashes of light from the arcing intercepting rockets of Israel’s air defense system were visible. The salvo of missiles from Iran came a day after Israeli forces began a rare ground invasion of southern Lebanon aimed at crippling the Iranian-backed militia Hezbollah there.... A senior White House official said the United States would help defend Israel and warned that a direct attack against Israel 'will carry severe consequences for Iran.'... President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris... reviewed plans to help Israel defend against the attacks and protect Americans in the region."
The NYT reports.
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१७५ टिप्पण्या:
I'm surprised, actually. I would think Iran would be pulling in their horns at the moment.
Does Israel know where these missiles are launched from? Are they mobile launchers?
A senior White House official said the United States would help defend Israel and warned that a direct attack against Israel 'will carry severe consequences for Iran.'
Suuuuuurrrre.
They launchers are mobile, so yes, Israel did know where they were launched from.
The Arrow interceptor missiles appear to be making some kills, but it appears they're not able to deal with such a mass attack by IRBMs. The Iranian Shahabs (SCUD variant launcher) are reloading as we speak.
What're they gonna do, bomb them with more pallets of cash?
The NYT article isn't helpful, but ZeroHedge has coverage. Don't forget, Iran is 1000 miles from Israel - the missiles must pass over Iraq and Jordan before striking and both have closed their airspace. And Biden has ordered US assets to shoot down incoming missiles. If Syria starts launching an attack too, watch out.
they told them NO
surprise surprise
At this point, I presume Israel has put an AirPod on every mobile launcher.
Oh no, more photos of Kamala supposedly making phone calls.
Way to go Joe!. Yet another epic failure for Biden/Harris (or whoever is running the country)
Once Israel makes Hezbollah no longer a threat, Israel is free to destroy Iran's nuclear program.
So The mad Mullahs are in a situation where they don't believe they can "pull in their horns"
Probably busy at another fund raiser.
Here we are on the brink of WW3 thanks to the fucking incompetence of fucking Joe Biden. Well, this is the October surprise that Hillary mentioned the other day and it guarantees that Harris will lose unless the Dems have figured out a way for millions of the illegal aliens to vote. That's a real concern of mine.
Were the targets legitimate military targets? Condemnation from our resident Israel haters in 3...2...1...
You know, I think the worst think for Harris about these staged photos is that they send a subliminal message of "there's no photos of her actually working, because she never does anything".
I think they're a net negative for her campaign. So I hope she continues emitting them
Israel channel 14 claims the US is negotiating with Iran on the scale of the attack such that it is small enough to allow the US to demand Israel not retaliate. It reminds me of Biden suggesting that Russia just make a minor incursion in Ukraine. And don’t forget, just a year ago, to Middle East was as quiet as it had ever been in a decade, or more specifically as quiet as it was when the previous President left office.
We're not on the brink. This is WW3. This is 4th Generation warfare, and you've been watching the opening phases live for some time.
I don't know how we are going to support Israel when the oiler Big Horn ran aground. We can't even refuel our carrier group in the region.
Ann, are you or someone else here able to get a message to Glenn Reynolds that Instapundit is now being overrun with absolutely disgusting advertisements that are a serious disincentive to going there? It appears not to be a worm on my end. Thank you!
A vote for Trump-Vance is a vote for peace. A vote for Harris-Walz is a vote for WW3 on three fronts: Russia, China and Iran.
The deep state is going to saddle Trump with the war he wouldn't give them. Like rotten children they're going to trash the living room and then blame dad for not cleaning it up fast enough.
If Iran follows up with anything more after what they’ve just done, Israel has advised them that would be exceedingly unwise.
There is a school of thought amongst historians called the Great Man theory. Think Mt. Rushmore, Churchill, Hamilton etc. I think we need a Great Fuckup theory of history. Joe Biden is the leading example. Because this idiot is President, the whole world is on fire. If Trump would have won in 2020, none of these foreign policy disasters would have happened. And we wouldn't have had this ruinous inflation. And unknown millions of illegal aliens. You can't hate Joe Biden enough for the damage he has done. And, of course, the Fake News enabled and promoted him the entire way.
The head of Iran's anti-Mossad group was a Mossad agent. They are competing with Biden/Harris for the clown prize.
"Does Israel know where these missiles are launched from? Are they mobile launchers?"
Yes, almost certainly.
Yes, almost certainly.
The important question that wasn't asked, Does Israel know where those missile are manufactured and stored?
Yes, almost certainly.
Wow. Kamala might have to plug her earphones into her phone for this one.
Iran launched about 180 guided missiles. Israel shoots down the missiles that would hit in cities but ignores the ones that hit outside. So there are scary shots of missiles arcing down toward Israel and exploding, lighting up the horizon. The initial coverage was chaotic with those scenes of missiles exploding somewhere in Israel accompanied by suggestions that all the nasty militias on Israel's borders were launching terror attacks all over Israel coordinated by Iran. But at the end of the day (so far - afternoon of October 1 in Wisconsin) only a few people were wounded by the missiles and there was only one terror attack in Jaffa in which eight people were killed.
We can only wait and see how Israel responds to the attack. As I see it, Biden will support Israel to the end but he is not in charge. Kamala and Walz are both typical progressive anti-semites, hiding their attitudes till after the election. They don't give a damn about the Americans in Appalachia and they think less than that of Israel.
Agreed. My only question is why Obama wants this.
After loosing Gettysburg, Vicksburg, and Atlanta Jeff Davis decided to fight on. Today the Mullahs can’t stop either. How could they think that they could possibly win now? I would have to say religious delusion that the Mahdi, the 12th imam is standing offstage and will play his role if the Iranians hold on til the third act.
Israel commits multiple assassinations against Iranian leaders, the last one using American-supplied bunker busting bombs, and finally Iran's hand is forced, and strikes back, and now we are dragged into it.
I hope Netanyahu is right that this will be a cake walk, because he got his war now.
If Iran had a Second Amendment, the Mullahs would be out of power. The people of Iran hate the Mullahs.
Right, the "minor incursion" comment was actually an invitation to Putin to enter a trap. Just like the statement to his foreign minister that when Ukraine entered NATO, we were going to place nukes there, five minutes from Moscow.
Especially when our war to bleed Russia's military has instead bled out our supply of interceptor missiles. No air defense system can hold out indefinitely just like no fort can withstand a siege from a determined and well supplied foe.
Wow! We get WW3 AND an East Coast port shutdown. Quite an October!
Just because it's constantly repeated, doesn't make a person who opposes Israel's defense strategy in the Middle East "antisemitic," lots of Israelis oppose it too.
Seems to me the last one was targeting the leader of Hezbollah. Israel can't help that he happened to meeting with a top Revolutionary Guard general at the time. Guy shouldn't have been there.
Caroline Glick reports from her shelter there: "Ch 14 reported that the U.S. and Iran are negotiating the scope of the strike so that the U.S. will be able to compel Israel not to retaliate. Get it? The Biden-Harris administration is reportedly telling a U.S. enemy what level of assault against a U.S. ally is acceptable."
Again, no condemnation for Iran bombing civilians indiscriminately. The Biden-Harris foreign policy mess is contemptable.
Which Iranian leaders Israel assassinated with bunker busting bombs?
Russia vs Ukraine. Israel vs. Iran. Let's get China to invade Taiwan and we can celebrate the trifecta.
Is anyone advising white female liberals which flag to put in their social media profiles???
Iran needed to take some action to save face both domestically and in the Moslem world. But they do not want to start a real shooting war ( they are likely to get the worst of it). So they tipped off Israel and the US several hours in advance of the attack. Israelis take shelter, and are well prepared to shoot down the incoming. Iran looks tough. Some minor aftershocks, and then everyone moves on.
In the latest assassination, there were Iranians present in the bunker.
Don't worry, the basement boys at Langley have top men working on it.
Top men.
Sounds like Iran is practicing deescalation through escalation, a very common war tactic.
500 missiles isn't an escalation itself? The writer missed something - the Iranian attack on Israel IS the sharp escalation of the conflict. Whatever Israel does now - whether that is nothing, to nuking Qom - will be an attempt to win the now-active conflict Iran has initiated, not "escalate" it.
I listen to one podcast regularly, and he said weeks ago, after Israel did one of its assassination strikes, that Iran was preparing its retaliation, and was probably not going to strike back until October, until it was good and ready, given that Israel wanted this war so badly.
I like these kinds of moments where you find out who's been lying, who's been deluding themselves, and whose opinions are worth considering. One thing though, I don't take into account the number of times those opinions have been repeated when deciding who knows what they are talking about.
Most of the rockets/missiles will fall short. Too many Iranians holding onto the fins in their attempts to escape from the Mad Muslim Mullahs.
The BBC is reporting that we did intercept some of the missiles before they hit Israeli air space.
"will be an attempt to win the now-active conflict Iran has initiated"
Yes yes yes, of course. It hasn't been clear for months that Israel has been trying to provoke this war, with assassinations and air and missile strikes. No, Israel was just minding its business, when out of the blue, Iran just struck.
You guys are such simpletons, no wonder Netanyahu banks on being able to play you guys for rubes.
What's next? American boys in action over there?
Do not forget who brought us here:
American democrats and the American profestocracy.
Our last feckless president was Carter, and Iran caused significant trouble when he was in office. Our president is feckless, and Iran is causing trouble yet again.
(Obama wasn't feckless, he was simply entirely on their side).
https://x.com/Doranimated/status/1841180531838304327
"could set off a sharp escalation...."
Why is it that the MSM and the WH always phrase these things so that Israel is the one guilty of 'escalation'?
Hamas attacks on oct 7, IDF escalates by rescuing hostages?
Hezbollah launches thousand of rockets into Israel forcing evac of 80,000. Israel escalates by attacks on rocket storage.
Iran launches 300 IRBM's any on of which, could be a nuke. What is that, if not escalation? instead....
Seems to me this latest war started Oct 7, 2023.
Why do you suppose Iranians were present with leaders of entities currently actively at war with Israel (wars that they directly provoked, no less)? Coincidence??
There was nothing out of the blue about Israel's attacks in Lebanon. Hezbollah has been firing missiles into Israel. Are they supposed to just ignore this?
"forced Iran's hand" sure Tim, after 30 years of Iran funding the terror all around Israel FFS
I saw this on WI PBS back around 2011, a not-so-flattering look at Jimmy Carter's presidency. He came across as affable and down to earth in person and in public, but his managerial style was dogmatic and dictatorial.
Chapter 1 |The Presidents: Jimmy Carter
So, question for for all the aficionados of "international law," what exactly is the justification for Iran launching missiles at civilian areas in Israel in reponse to Israeli attacks on a paramilitary force on Lebanese territory? When will the UN object? Who will bring suit in the ICJ or ICC?
This is Iran’s second reprisal. I agree they had to do it but their tactics of state sponsored asymmetrical warfare is a failure. They are a one trick pony who can only strike civilian targets with long range artillery and imbedded killers.
Their presence in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza is like the uninvited drunk at the party, no one in the region is going to have a good time until they pass out. So Israel must just sit around or provoke them to self destruct. That’s too bad, but it’s better than having your soccer kids killed for the next 20 years.
Israel would not attack them if they were not active shooters, although there are some who would probably disagree.
Yes Tommy in Tim's world that is just a coincidence. Nothing will ever justify Israel's self defense. Not even other armies attacking Israel.
Israel should take out Kharg Island. This is Iran's principle oil export terminal. It will be repaired, but in the mean time, it costs the regime money they could spend on weapons. It sets an example: We can inflict pain, anytime we want.
Maybe blowing off the gains from the Abraham Accords was not the foreign policy genius move Blinken said it would be.
It is not outside the realm of possibility that these two conflicts ultimately are aimed at reducing the readiness of western militaries in preparation for a Chinese attack on Taiwan. From a strategic perspective, does it make sense for Russia to continue to throw men and material at the Ukranian meat grinder? What did Hamas think their endgame was going to be when they launched the attack last year?
I can't fully subscribe to the idea that it is Xi Xinping and the CCP actually pulling strings behind the scenes, but do acknowledge that recent world events have been significantly beneficial to Chinese relative military power.
Yes Aggie that's exactly what a Harris admin would do.
Hezbollah reputedly had 150,000 missiles to fire at civilians. Iran can blow off 500 with a couple of days notice. The UN always blames Israel and Democrat antisemites on US campuses say Israel is engaging in genocide. In the conflict between normies and nutties the nutties are prevailing.
Despite the groveling trump and harris are tied among arab voters
Remember, Tim is on Russia’s side, Russia and Iran are allies. Tim won’t be supporting Israel.
Tim, you don't "oppose Israel's defense strategy", you oppose Israel being defended.
That's what makes you a Jew hating monster
Tim, you don't "oppose Israel's defense strategy", you oppose Israel being defended.
That's what makes you a Jew hating monster
"Seems to me this latest war started Oct 7, 2023."
Yes, Israel has decided that peace talks were out of the question, and that the only solution was a war with Iran. Now we will be dragged into it.
What peace talks are those?
"In the latest assassination, there were Iranians present in the bunker"
Yes, Tim, there were Iraninans meeting with their terrorist Hezbollah proxies, planning with them on how to better attack Israel.
For Tim, that's "Israel commits multiple assassinations against Iranian leaders"
Because for Tim, the crime is Israel trying to defend itself from attackers, at all
Let's see if we can make it a trifecta and have shutdown of the Straits of Hormuz, where 1/3 of the Wests oil supplies transit!
The steady hand of Joe Biden, master of statecraft, shows for us every day!
Severe consequences? Obama and Biden are going to ask for the $15 billion back?
It’s the only advertising he can get since Google cut him off.
We know what Vance will likely say tonight about this. Who will Walz back when asked?
So it sounds like a recipe for them staying home, which is not good news for Harris.
A large barrage. How big is a large barrage? How does it differ from a plain old barrage?
"Empty Israel has decided that peace talks were out of the question"
Why yes. Israel has decided that negotiating with people whose stated goal is to genocide them, and who violated a cease fire so they could rape, torture, and murder civilians, is a bad idea.
This is because they aren't complete fucking morons.
Tim wants us to believe that he is a complete fucking moron, rather than just being a Jew hating Nazi
A small barrage the size of a large barrage.
JSM
"That's what makes you a Jew hating monster"
That's quite a diagnosis! I suppose every Israeli who has ever voted against Netanyahu is tossed in the same bin!
The underrstand strong horses and weak ponies
Compared to other military threats to the USA, there is nothing that even remotely approaches the conventional threats posed by the PRC. Furthermore, the threat posed by the PRC is one of A2/AD (Anti-Access/Area Denial) defense in depth. The Chinese aren't interested in a pissing match with the USA. They are solely focused on complete reunification of what they consider to be historical Chinese territory.
They have a total understanding of their political and military objectives. Our political and military objectives are far less clear and now substantively change every 4 years.
China's strategy against anybody denying their objectives is simple: make any attempt to deny their objectives politically, economically, and militarily unbearable. We're getting stretched thin. They haven't even started. I'd say whatever they're doing, they're doing a good job.
"Yes, Tim, there were Iraninans meeting with their terrorist Hezbollah proxies, planning with them on how to better attack Israel."
Nah, they were planning their next proposal in the peace talks.
That's why Israel had to take them out.
Aught Severn, the CCP may not be directing it, but they are definitely laughing their asses off at the sight of Caucasians killing each other. There’s no excuse for it in Europe; the Middle East is a lot more complicated, but that’s still not much of an excuse.
The CCP has been working since before 1949 to homogenize Chinese culture on the theory that linguistic, cultural, and ideological differences cause wars and the breakup of empires. All they need for proof is to look west.
OTOH, both Ukraine and Israel do show the ChiComs how bloody hard it is to subjugate a place, even if you have all kinds of advantages. So these wars may serve as cautionary tales warning the CCP off Taiwan.
JSM
Does being on Ukraine's side means that I have to cheer on the destruction of that country, and probably the demographic collapse of the Ukrainian nation, and urge them to fight to the last man, or "the last Ukrainian" as your buddy Lindsay Graham put it, well, I admit that that doesn't make any sense.
But I am sure that Halliburton, Raytheon, Honeywell, and McDonnell Douglas appreciate your support. I hope you have plenty of their stock.
China. Dude's been there 30 times.
It’s OK. The navy’s diversity training is up to date!
https://americasvoice.news/justthenews/new-poll-finds-arab-voters-split-between-harris-and-trump/
Earth to Inga: The Iranians and the Obama regime are also allies. In fact, better allies than every person commenting on this site.
Inconvenient, I know. That "Death to America" is hanging by a thread.
tim in vermont said...
"will be an attempt to win the now-active conflict Iran has initiated"
Yes yes yes, of course. It hasn't been clear for months that Israel has been trying to provoke this war, with assassinations and air and missile strikes. No, Israel was just minding its business, when out of the blue, Iran just struck.
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Erm Tim... Hezbollah (Iran) has been shooting thousands of missiles regularly into civilian areas since forever and I'm not sure if you know about this but google "Oct 7 2023." Iran through Hamas did something. You can also google "Iran killing American troops in Iraq" if you're not sufficiently outraged by Iran murdering innocent Israeli civilians indiscriminately. I'm not sure if you would be upset or not at Iran killing American troops but there's that. If you want to go further back you can google "Khobar Towers." The idea that Israel wants to start a war is frankly infantile. Israel wants to be left alone. Iran won't let it.
tim in vermont
"Seems to me this latest war started Oct 7, 2023."
Yes, Israel has decided that peace talks were out of the question, and that the only solution was a war with Iran. Now we will be dragged into it.
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Tim in general ad hominem attacks are stupid and meaningless. But you are really a stupid person. Do you understand that Hamas is holding Israelis hostage? There is no "peace talks." There is only "release the civilians." The hostilities end as soon as Hamas releases the hostages. A smarter question would be "why does Hamas hate the Palestinians so much that they refuse to release innocent civilian hostages attending a music concert in order to stop the decimation of Gaza?" The war must continue until the hostages are released. Once they are released the war ends. This is a decision only Hamas and not Israel can make.
John, the wargaming is pretty conclusive. If China establishes a foothold on the Southern Taiwan (Kaohsiung, Tainan) landing zones - regardless of brutal losses - and cannot be repelled, Taiwan will fall. Taiwan's multi-decade attempt to turn the island into a Swiss-style Redoubt Nationale has been a failure. The PRC will take atrocious losses, but they'd be in Taipei and the highlands within 3 months.
This is not said often enough. Shooting down relatively cheap and plentiful missiles (and drones) with very expensive and relatively scarce anti-missiles is an ultimately losing position. You would think the best and brightest would have realized this a while ago.
I get it, I get it, it's "war, war, war, not jaw, jaw, jaw."
Ultimately, though, it's an opinion that peace talks were never possible. But no amount of pleading for restraint on anybody's part is going to stop this war, once the path to war was chosen by the players. Blood lust is in the air now.
"Yes, Israel has decided that peace talks were out of the question, and that the only solution was a war with Iran."
I'm still struggling to understand the relevance of this comment to the events of Oct 7.
By the players you mean Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran. They indiscriminately murder civilians, send missiles into civilian areas, and kidnap, torture, and murder civilians. A civilized society has no choice but to fight. You'll find Israel does NOT bomb indiscriminately, or kidnap torture and murder civilians.
And yes it's "war war" just like in the United States after Pearl Harbor.
The dullard votes for Iran's side.
"Ultimately, though, it's an opinion that peace talks were never possible."
WHAT PEACE TALKS!?
The senile asshole votes for Russia’s side, Russia and Iran are allies. Do you think Putin will come down on the side of Iran or Israel? It’s time to face up to some truths about your Russia/ Putin support. If you want Israel to be able to defend itself, you can’t promote Putin’s agenda.
Had hezbollah not looted beirut since 2000, and bought 15,000 rockets if not 2006 thsy wouldnt be in this mess in first place
So there's a concept that I find relevant here, the Army / Fleet "in being".
This is a military force that sits someplace where it CAN attack enemies, and has sufficient defenses that the enemies can't reasonably attack and take it out.
Which means the enemy has to build defenses against what it might do, having a significant strategic effect while doing nothing.
Hezbollah and Hamas were Iran's "armies in being", and were apparently the reason why Israel hasn't "deproliferated" Iran.
But Iran used them to attack Israel, and Israel managed to get around their defenses.
So now Iran is screwed, because Israel really faces no cost to keep them from bombing the hell out of Iran's nuclear program.
IMO, the only really question is will Israel decide to wait until after the election before attacking. I expect they won't
Blood lust is in the air now". Now Tim, it was in the air on Oct 7, when Hamas enjoyed their blood lust by gang raping, torturing, and murdering Jews in Israel.
Oh, that's right, you hate Jews, so that "blood lust" doesn't count
Got WSJ?
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/israel-defends-itself-and-may-save-western-civilization-war-mideast-national-security-8606ec52
I suppose every Israeli who has ever voted against Netanyahu is tossed in the same bin!
That's quite the non-sequitur. But of course you have no real response.
A real response from someone who doesn't want all the Jews in Israel dead would be "no, I favor doing X, Y and Z" to protect Israel, and offering up an X, y, and Z that haven't already failed.
But you can't do that, because you want them to fail
They are armies of occupation and predation not combat
I don't think they will either. The USA is a hot mess right now with arguably the worst political and bureaucratic leadership since before WWII. Joe has zero political clout, Kamala less so. If Trump is the dealmaking strongman America needs then why wait until January for the portfolio to land on his desk?
Doubtless the IAF already has detailed strike plans and target packages. I'd expect deep strikes on Iran in as a little as a few days.
Those are the "Piece Talks" where Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah "piece out" Israel to each other.
You know, Hamas gets to rape all the 5 - 15 year olds, Hezbollah gets the 15 - 25 crowd, and Iran gets the boys
Vote Democrat and you get wars... lots of wars. For tyrants sense weakness and Biden & Harris are defiantly weak.
I see that Nurse Ratched is back after sulking for a few days because Althouse mildly chastised her BS.
"Lots of Israelis" agree with Tim. Really, Tim? Care to share your source for that claim?
I missed that.
Exactly.
It sounds like Iran/Hezbollah’s DC public relations firm crafted that message. Look for the Biden Admin to share Israeli intel with Iran, then deny it…
"Shooting down relatively cheap and plentiful missiles (and drones) with very expensive and relatively scarce anti-missiles is an ultimately losing position."
Only strategy would seem to be taking out the missiles before they're fired.
If you decide to not vote for Harris, that is one vote for Trump. If you change your vote from Harris to Trump that is two votes for Trump.
The dullard still believes in the Russia Hoax. Pitiful what happens to women as they age. How many cats do you have dullard ?
I've asked before, and I'll ask again: what is the evidence that the US ever told Russian foreign minister Lavrov "we were going to place nukes [in Ukraine], five minutes from Moscow"? Do we only have Lavrov's word for it? He's a notorious drunk and liar.
In any case, as I have pointed out before, if Ukraine is a five-minute missile flight from Moscow, Latvia, already in NATO, is a five-and-a-half minute flight. And Finland and Estonia are a one-minute flight from St. Petersburg, Russia's second city and Putin's home town. Even as stated, the claim that admitting Ukraine to NATO would somehow be an existential threat to Russia is idiotic.
Will 'tim in vermont' provide a link? If so, will it be like the link he provided to 'prove' that a German general said Ukrainians couldn't fire Taurus missiles without Germans doing the work, which turned out to be a lie? Time will tell!
Tim, calm down. I doubt anyone not as stupid as the dullard agrees with you here. Maybe Freder does, too.
What advertisements? I can't see any at present, and those before seemed very dull.
Following Obama's foreign policy doctrine seems to be Biden's strategy with Iran: warn Iran, allow them to save face, but continue to enrich them and allow the regime to continue in power. Either he (Biden/Obama) wants to support Islamic extremists in the region or perhaps Biden/Obama are simply lacking in imagining a peaceful Middle East existing in harmony with more Western values.
One of the people hired and being groomed by Obama and Biden to work on US national security is Mahir Batir, exemplary of the strategy Biden/Obama approach -- his anti-Israel background includes writing his thesis promoting the Palestinian right of return, executive board member of SJP at Georgetown U., strong supporter for BDS, etc.
The Abraham Accords however proved that the Palestinian conflict is not at the top of the agenda for all Arab leaders or a requirement before engaging in normalization of relations with Israel. Trump does not make pandering to Jew hating Muslims a political necessity or an election strategy.
Trump pushed Iran with sanctions to the brink of bankruptcy resulting in their diminished capacity to supply and arm proxies in the region.
Trump has always been clear about the right of Israel to exist and that the path forward for the region ultimately is to oppose radical Islamic extremism AKA Islamic fundamentalism.
Tim, were you supporting Obama's Iran policies that led to this ?
See also: "Biden appoints Palestinian American to key intelligence role" Maher Bitar served in the National Security Council under former President Barack Obama, as director for Israeli and Palestinian affairs.
Hey senile asshole, are you too senile to notice that I’m in DISAGREEMENT with Tim in Vermont? I what reality do you live, the old folks rabbit holes? I have in-laws that live in Israel, I am very much in favor of Israel defending itself. I know this must shake your world, but try to sort out your confusion if possible, which I doubt.
That's what Carter's JCS suggested when the hostages were taken. He declined and we are still stuck with the problem.
I find it mildly amusing that the flower-children/hey-hey-LBJ/"don't be a square" warm-fuzzies boomers that used the idiotic Vietnam War as the cudgel to bash open a hole for themselves into the politics of the 60s and 70s are as bad or worse than the Kissinger/McNamara/Lemay warmongering they claimed to vehemently oppose. "Do what feels good" as their philosophy of life literally translated into do what feels right in domestic and international politics, facts, economics, and history be damned.
They didn't become their parents. They became worse.
". I know this must shake your world, but try to sort out your confusion if possible, which I doubt." Sorry, I saw that you were voting for the idiots who funded this and are trying to restrain Israel from solving this threat. Are you sure about who you support ? Hard to tell.
Why would they wait when the election could be fixed by the people hostile to them who funded Iran ?
Biden and Harris are "reviewing plans". When they are done with that, they'll write a strong letter of protest and call the job done.
This seems to be clear to all except the lefties here and Tim.
Based on reports so far, Iran's attack appears to be a very carefully calculated "pretend" attack (lots of missiles, but no strategic targets and very limited damage/lives). This suggests they are either implying they have no other current intentions so "let's call it a day on both sides", or they are baiting Israel to strike harder and thus justify unleashing their really deadliest weapons on major strategic targets. So far so good. But, here's the problem. Once missiles start flying you never know when they might hit an unintended target that creates a firestorm of public demand for massive retaliation. This is not yet predictable regarding where it might go.
Israel has a justification for destroying Iran's nuclear program.
Do they have the capability? Do they have the will?
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"Do they have the capability?"
Short of using a nuclear weapon, I doubt it.
After "Grim Beeper", anything is possible, but OG Mike is probably referencing the fact that most of that capability is deep underground in the Zagros mountains. Who knows, maybe Mossad sold them self-destructing centrifuges, lol.
I am still struggling to understand how you believe that the conflict began on Oct 7. How you believe that there were no opportunities for negotiation prior to that.
Good for you Inga! I hope your family in Israel is OK.
Joe Biden fully supports what Israel is doing, or we wouldn't be shipping them the bunker busting bombs to carry out their assassinations. He is just lying about it. People call Biden the "Gaffe-o-Matic" but to be honest with you, it's kind of amazing how a man can say the opposite of what he is truly thinking nearly 100% of the time, and slip up as rarely as he does.
Mossad already used "self-destructing centrifuges", though I don't think they sold them, just attacked them with a malicious computer worm that made them spin out of control until they tore themselves apart. That was STUXNET, revealed to the world in 2010.
I imagine the facilities are too hardened to destroy with conventional weapons. Be nice if they could pull off another Stuxnet.
I think this is the ultimate deterrent against Iran getting too destructive with their responses. At some point you would give Israel the justification for nuking the sites. Ditto if Iran were to seriously attempt to assassinate Trump (assuming Trump is back in office). He's never going to bomb their cities like I guess he threatened recently, but the nuclear facilities sitting out in the desert would be an obvious target.
At the risk of spreading unverified early confusion, claims by various non-Arab/non-Iranian sources that (1) some (two?) Iron Dome sites were hit (as seen by follow-up secondary explosions on the ground), (2) bigger attack at Nevatim air base with heavy cluster hits (which was probed last time, they changed types of rockets this time) -- this houses F35s (unclear if any damaged, most were in shelters, but not clear if all), (3) Mossad HQ in Tel Aviv, (4) some corridor in Gaza (unclear to me what was that about, but apparently IDF troops), and (5) Some gas platforms (damage uncertain, because fire observed could be misleading; stories about destruction probably widely exaggerated).
The partial failure of AD (e.g., claim is below 50% success rate) is worrisome because it may signify that any follow-up attacks would dismantle, for example, the whole electrical grid in a single shot (small area, very dense grid, easily destroyed, not like Ukraine). Again, take it with the grain of salt, distilled from various telegram commentary.
Apparently, systematic dismantling of IRG infrastructure in Syria was the straw that broke.... , interesting note with Putin avoiding Bibi's phone call.
It doesn't matter how deep a bunker is buried in the earth, it has to have ventilation shafts, as well as ports for power lines, and doors for humans and truckloads of materials to come in and finished product to go out.
You can put the thickest titanium doors over all of these, but if a bomb buries all the entrances that allow passage of air (air-vents and doorways) under piles of rubble, and the Iranians can't get the rubble cleared away before the oxygen runs out, everyone inside dies.
All Israel needs is a detailed map of all the air vents and other entrances. Chances of persuading some Iranian to provide one, via bribes, threats, or appeals to common humanity: high.
What do we do about Iran?
The Obama/Biden approach is that the US should form a semi-demi-alliance with Iran to keep peace in the Middle East. Obama committed a whole lot of US money to that approach. That hasn't worked well.
The Other Approach (I'm not sure it's the Trumpist approach) is that the US supports allies and semi-allies in the region, who are resisting Iranian pressure.
To me it seems clear that there are two "Strong Horses" -- Iran and Israel. Obama's choice to support Iran wasn't OBVIOUSLY wrong, but it hasn't worked out, has it?
Choosing to support Israel isn't (at this time, in my view) a choice of the stronger horse, but maybe it's the only realistic choice for the US,
I’m not having any problem at Instapundit.
"The Obama/Biden approach is that the US should form a semi-demi-alliance with Iran to keep peace in the Middle East. Obama committed a whole lot of US money to that approach. That hasn't worked well."
It gives lie to Tim's "Peace Talks" nonsense. Iran was offered peace. They didn't take it.
They were rewarded with hundreds of billions of oil revenue what could go wrong
"You can put the thickest titanium doors over all of these, but if a bomb buries all the entrances that allow passage of air (air-vents and doorways) under piles of rubble, and the Iranians can't get the rubble cleared away before the oxygen runs out, everyone inside dies."
Sure, you can make a mess and kill a bunch of people, but that doesn't destroy the facility. It would be a major escalation. Not a good idea if you can't eliminate their nuclear program. 'Shoot at the king' kind of thing.
Apparently doesn't believe the Palestinians and their supporters aren't kidding with the position from "river to sea". It means Israel cannot exist and Jews can't live in the region. Expulsion or death. Maybe he can explain how the Israelis are supposed to negotiate this. In the meantime, the insanity of the WW3 paranoids is stupid beyond belief. China will not invade Taiwan. It can't invade Taiwan. Such an invasion will make the Normandy landings look like a live-fire exercise while all shipping coming from or too Chinese ports will end either by sinking or banning. China is already in bad economic shape and such a beyond stupid action could and probably will, cause China to collapse economically and the CCP with it. China relies a lot on copying Soviet/Russian technology and are seeing how well it doesn't work against older Western tech. The fact that after two and a half years Russian has not defeated Ukraine is something surely has not gone unnoticed by the CCP. Putin will not use a nuke against a NATO country. He knows that he personally will be targeted in return. And you have to assume that the order will actually be carried out. Romania is a cautionary tale. The nonsense about NATO being an offensive threat is just that, nonsense. Who actually believe that all or even a plurality of the member states are going to decide to start an offensive war? Ukraine is defending its existence, it is degrading Russia and the Russian's ability to actually harm the West militarily. What are we spending so much on defense if not to weaken our advisories? Israel and Ukraine both need American weapons and munitions, they don't need or seek America troops. Iran has been at war with the US since Carter's term. We just refuse to take them seriously. Helping diminish Russia, Iran and its proxies is in our national interest. The Chinese have a saying "kill the chicken, scare the monkey".If the US and the West just quietly do the provisioning, the monkey will be suitably scared.
In a possible thriller plot, the parents of all the hostages hire a rogue ex group of sas, seal, and minnesota national guard command sergeant majors who infiltrate iran and destroy sams and radar so a c130 can perilously fly in escorted by old P 47 fighters stolen from a museum, flown by 80 year old vets. The plane parachutes two 4000 lb blivets of gasoline landing at the air shaft to the nuclear bomb lab and a traitor hooks up hoses to dump it in.
In the final scene one of the commandoes puts a timed thermite bomb in an asbestos bag, so the fuze wont fire the gas and lets it fall to the bottom, incinerating all the iranian MIT grads.
Aw, my comments have been disappearing all day, usually they come back. To paraphrase the wicked witch, how could they destroy my beautiful wickedness.
"I am still struggling to understand how you believe that the conflict began on Oct 7." No, it began in 1948 when the Mandate ended and Israel agreed to "A country the size of a table cloth, " and the Arabs decided to invade. October 7 was a planned invasion after Israel allowed lots of Gaza Palestinians work permits, which turned out to be reconnaissance by those "Peaceful Gaza civilians."
Good article and a valid point about civilization.
"I am still struggling to understand how you believe that the conflict began on Oct 7. How you believe that there were no opportunities for negotiation prior to that."
There have been a lot of peace processes over the years, haven't there. The Palestinians have not adhered to them.
The dullard was lecturing Althouse on rules.
This is highly unlikely.
https://x.com/JewishWarrior13/status/1841271305414344909 oops
Yeah, that's not happening. There's going to be a major relation and taking out of mullahs.
They don't intercept missiles headed for empty places, we will need to wait for the final accounting.
X video claim: A piece of an Iranian rocket landed on a Palestinian in the West Bank.
Dr Weevil
Mossad already used "self-destructing centrifuges", though I don't think they sold them, just attacked them with a malicious computer worm that made them spin out of control until they tore themselves apart. That was STUXNET, revealed to the world in 2010.
10/1/24, 5:02 PM
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IIRC no one knew what happened. Obama leaked it. Just like when bin Laden was killed. No one knew he was killed. He had a ton of intel. Our guys had yet to analyze it. Similarly he advertised to everyone we killed him and we have his intel so that our enemies could make preparations and go deep. He chose to neutralize actionable information that would help us hurt our enemies.
A large barrage is a barrage large enough to keep Nigel Farage hidden in his garage. Got that?
You both forget the costs of replacing the buildings those missiles would otherwise destroy, as well as the irreplacable loss of life for the people in those buildings.
that was the coyote getting acme'd
if mobile why can't zone/range of mobility be established for seeking target for retaliate?
both Iraq and Jordan have closed their airspace >
is this significant? noteworthy?
I think we need a Great Fuckup theory of history
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I was going to say good for you but then you started on Biden when the initiating fuck-up was Pence
may be dock worker on Kharg go on strike!
thanks
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