August 28, 2024

Sunrise — 5:57, 6:16, 6:20.

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110 comments:

Enlighten-NewJersey said...

Great photos!

tcrosse said...

And there's the white dot of the capitol. It's a good thing they don't illuminate Van Vleck.

wendybar said...

Tim Young
@TimRunsHisMouth
·
Aug 27
I don't need to see any polls.

If Trump wasn't winning by a huge margin right now...

Kamala wouldn't be saying she wants to build a wall.

donald said...

Over 20 slot and above redfish today casting at the same exact spot for three hours this morning. No keeper trout, 1 flounder, and a huge croaker (!). All on basically ultralite tackle. Two of them were literally dragging me around Hog Bayou. Crazy day.

Narr said...

Sumptious pix.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Lovely!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

This is what Democrats do. with their bad ideas and good intentions.

Leland said...

I was thinking the play would cancel out the early morning walk. Good on you.

lonejustice said...

Interesting short video on who the Israeli Bedouins are, and the Bedouin hostage who was rescued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH5extKLSMw

Ann Althouse said...

The theater is just an hour drive away. A day trip.

jj121957 said...

Good point Wendybar!

William50 said...

Just recently received my bills for the insurance on my 2017 Tacoma with 45,000 miles on it and my home owners insurance. My Tacoma insurance which I pay every 6 months just went up $50. This in addition to the $50+ raise from 4 years ago. My home owners insurance just went up $205, this in addition to the $200+ it was raised 4 years ago. We moved to Wisconsin from Washington state about 21 years ago and the raise in home insurance 4 years ago was the first we experienced since we moved.
I have to say, thank you to the Biden-Harris administration and Bidenomics. Where would I be without you.

narciso said...

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1828918312069128268

Mason G said...

Four years ago, my homeowners insurance was $225 (more or less, I don't have the exact figure in front of me) a year. This year, it was over $900.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

This is what Democrats do to "Save Democracy"

RoseAnne said...

Just when I think Harris can't get more embarrassing. Her explanation of "teamwork" was a mess on what should and could have been an inspirational question. Flight 93 fought back and nearly pulled off a miracle. Total strangers worked together to carry injured out of the Towers. A child needs a life flight to the hospital but - due to a snow storm - there is no where near his home for it to land. Word of mouth/a message on the radio and then the space is cleared. One of the greatest teamwork stories was "
Boatlift" documentary from 9/11. (Tom Hanks narrated)The boat captains and crews self organized so rapidly that officials quickly determined the best course of action was to remove obstacles where they could. Examples of excellent teamwork are everywhere.

lonejustice said...

Photo #1 should hang in a museum somewhere.

Iman said...

Beautiful pics!

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Soviet Democrats rejoice - in creepy unison.

Ankle bracelet and internet ban for ‘J6 Praying Grandma’

n.n said...

The first photo is magnificent, a melding of earth and sky.

RCOCEAN II said...

Just saw Purple Noon - the french take on the Talented Mr. Ripley. Beautiful movie. Well acted. A crime story, so its not uplifting - but still good.

TickTock said...

All 3 photos are nice, but the reflections on the first make it special.

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gadfly said...

Tell the truth. Harris said at the convention that Trump beat down an attempt by the Biden Adminitration to pass a legislative compromise that would have reduced immigrants and just happened to contain $650 million to be spent on the border wall - a significant decrease in the $18 billion that Trump wanted to spend but probably enough to maintain the wall already constructed. If elected, Kamala said she woud sign such a bill.

Drago said...

LOL

Soy boy gadfly continues to push the transparent democratical border bill lies. That bill would have codified additional funds to accelerate the invasion of our nation.....so much so even the GOPe-ers, normally suckers for such a thing, balked.

So just keep spewing the lies gadfly. Your comment has all the earmarks of a New Soviet Democratical misinformation campaign.

gadfly said...
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gadfly said...

Drago is slinging shit yet again.





gadfly said...

I see that Tim Walz shops at Menards to take advantage of the 11% discount on everything . But we can do without his off-key version of the "Save Big Money at Menards" jingle.

Achilles said...

Democrats just cannot be honest about what they want to do and they are down to the dumbest people left.

Howard isn't even defending this stupidity anymore.

Iman said...

“But we can do without his off-key version of the "Save Big Money at Menards" jingle.”

That’s the least we can do without from that D-bagger.

Achilles said...

We can also do without the Stolen Valor piece of shit who doesn't want us to have the "weapons of war" he never carried and who thinks the first amendment does not apply to people who disagree with him.

I don't care where he "shops." He is a terrible human being and so is anyone who supports him.

Jamie said...

For some reason (Harris's bizarre move in bringing Walz to THE interview to hold her hand?), the odds are moving around again - both candidates still in "positive" territory (I may be using wrong terminology - what I mean is that, for both, if you bet $100, you stand to win more than $100, so I'm still puzzled as to how that can be true in both cases), but now Trump is closer to even at +102 and Harris is now behind at +106.

Public opinion is interesting, isn't it?

effinayright said...

Arghhh! I just saw a Youtube short where Tucker claims that since all world religions profess belief in supernatural beings, THEREFORE supernatural beings MUST exist!!!

THEREFORE where ancient peoples, and modern superstitious aka pre-scientific people, believe floods, famines. and other sources of human misery humans, are caused by displeased gods aka supernatural beings--they are correct!

THEREFORE where certain religions---but not all---offer Worldwide Flood Stories, those floods **must** have happened, even though geologic evidence says otherwise.

Where this is leading is to Tucker's belief that UFOs are piloted by aliens, who he has claimed are the supernatural beings all the religions talk about.

He also thinks evolution is a bunch of hooey.

Whew! What a way to betray your scientific illiteracy!!!



Gospace said...

Well, Gadfly- what did he do? Veto it? Cast a vote in the Senate? Or the House? Just what kind of government power did Trump have? Or are you so used to lying about him that it feels true so it must be?

wendybar said...

The truth gad, is that we don't want 2000 illegals pouring through our borders daily. The bill she is talking about is taking more of our money to spend to PROCESS more illegals, and will STILL let 2000 in a day. You can keep repeating the lies and be the sucker of this blog, or you can wake up. The choice is yours, but I don't think you are smart enough to make the correct choice.

wendybar said...

Somebody has to pay for all the free things they are handing out to illegals

wendybar said...


Miranda Devine
@mirandadevine
By my rough calculation, President Joe Biden has been on vacation for 27 of the 36 days (75%) since he dropped out of the 2024 race on July 21.
Air Force 1 has whisked him and his family between Rehoboth Beach, Camp David and the Santa Barbara estate of billionaire donor Joe Kiani.
Before that, he already had taken nine days vacation at Rehoboth and Wilmington, DE, after the June 27 debate.
Clearly, he’s checked out.
If the commander-in-chief can’t be bothered - or is incapable of - doing his job for the next five months, then he should resign.

wendybar said...

" What is the difference between a "conspiracy theory" and the truth? About 18 months."

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1828485808023539967

wendybar said...

"“We, WE extended the invitation to President Trump. We are the ones that asked him to come. We are the ones that asked him to assist in laying a wreath for our son, and for the shooting for, Sergeant Canals and for Cole. We’re the ones that asked that. President Trump didn’t come to us. His team didn’t come to us and say, hey, this would be good for business. Business? No. President Trump has stood by us from day one. He has been compassionate. He has been loving. He’s been understanding. He’s taking the mantle of our outrage a little bit. Because to be quite honest with you, being very frank, we haven’t heard diddly squat from the current administration in three years,” Hoover said."

https://dailycaller.com/2024/08/28/exclusive-gold-star-families-had-trouble-getting-trump-into-arlington-until-house-speaker-intervened/

MadTownGuy said...

Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson says she was "concerned" about Trump immunity ruling

"Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said she was "concerned" about the court's landmark decision that granted former President Donald Trump immunity from prosecution for official acts he took while in office.

Jackson, in an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell, suggested the ruling gives Trump special treatment compared to anyone else in the criminal justice system.

"I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances, when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same," she said.
"

Yet she has no concern about the travesty perpetrated by Judge Merchan in a court using Calvinball rules to indict and convict Donald Trump because Orange Man Bad? She has to know that if and when the actual case comes up on appeal, it will be shown to be entirely lacking in merit.

Jamie said...

"I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances, when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same," she said.

It's the office. She knows it's the office. The criminal justice system contains lots of rights and forms of immunity conditional on the office held.

An "individual" who happens to be a police officer has the right to enter, search your house, and take your stuff if a warrant has been granted, because that individual is a representative of the government in that instance. That same individual can't just break into your house and take your stuff simply because she wants to. That's the point of the ruling, isn't it? That the Constitution grants the individual holding the office of Chief Executive immunity from prosecution if the acts being performed are within the purview of that office?

And the ruling established that there are three categories of acts an individual holding the office of Chief Executive can perform: obviously private acts, acts explicitly described in the Constitution as official, and the ones in the middle that may need adjudication. Jackson is just concern trolling, it seems to me.

wendybar said...

Jimmy Failla

@jimmyfailla
·
10h
I wanna live in an America where the media is madder at the President who got 13 service members killed than the President who shows up to mourn them.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Since you provided no link I’ll rely on the very long Joe Rogan interview to say your interpretation of Carlson’s views are grossly simplified and misleading. He does note that every civilization in history has a similar creation story and traditional belief in a god or set of gods that have occasionally interacted with humanity. And this was the overwhelming consensus in the pre-industrial world. But simultaneously with the advent of science was the rapid spread of the false religion (or anti-religion if you prefer) of Marxism. Marx hated shopkeepers and religions and set out to construct a political theory for replacing both. Carlson is cognizant of this fact and it’s apparent in his comments.

As for UFOs we have no verifiable proof of what exactly they are. That they share some traits with spiritual phenomena is indisputable in the big picture. That you mock a man for speculating about it without being able to explain it in your own words says more about you than about Tucker.

Mark said...

If it wasn't for the campaign, why did Trump put out a TikTok ad with footage from it within 48 hours?

Where was Trump at the 1st or 2nd Anniversary? Funny how when the 3rd appears within campaign time now he's all about the photo opp laying wreaths.

Three families do not get to change policy. And certainly not when other servicemembers graves show in the photo opp object.

Breezy said...

All the caterwauling about this just highlights Trump’s patriotism, sincerity and respect for the lost lives even more. Thank you.

Jersey Fled said...

I always thought Sotomayor was the dumbest Justice ever until Ketanji came along.

planetgeo said...

FYI, the way betting odds work, the higher the + number is, the LESS likely that choice will win. And typically if there are only 2 choices, the favorite has a negative (-) number. So not sure where you are getting your odds.

Christopher B said...

If people are actually allowed, and empowered to self-organize, then politicians don't get to claim credit for the work.

boatbuilder said...

Has she ever heard about Congressional Immunity? Prosecutorial immunity? Qualified immunity for police officers?

boatbuilder said...

Jackson herself enjoys judicial immunity for her acts in her capacity as a judge and justice.

wendybar said...

You tell us Mark, (6:19 am) what did "YOUR PRESIDENT" who is currently "President"/snark do for ANY of the Anniversaries???. Vacation times?? Sit down.

Humperdink said...

Living in PA, I am being bombarded with ads by Sen. Bob Casey (D-Coma) saying he’s a border hawk. The ad states he voted for the strongest border security bill ever. Ever, he says!!!!! It makes so angry. Not at Casey, but at the low information voters (or zero information) who continue to put this dud in office.

Lawnerd said...

Today I’ve seen multiple news articles describing Walz as some ideal of masculinity or opining that Walz was going to draw white men to vote for Harris. This is delusional. Everything about Walz is cringe. At best he reminds me of a woke version of Elmer Fudd. Elmer is not a model of masculinity. Trump in contrast is an alpha male. Many on the left hate him for this, but there is something about alpha males, despite their flaws. Even Zuckerberg admitted that Trump is “badass.” Badass bests Elmer Fudd ten times out of ten.

Leland said...

I look forward to Jack Smith prosecuting Trump for attending a Memorial service for those that died in Afghanistan. Let the Biden-Harris Administration suggest that memory of US service men and women dying in Afghanistan be against the law. Shine that spotlight!

narciso said...

Tienamen Tim is an embarassment probably a stalking horse for the Chinese

narciso said...

Our Country was founded by people who believed in One God and it wasnt Islam it was Yahweh in olden times look at the names they took

narciso said...

https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/27/under-tim-walz-minnesota-banned-christians-from-teaching-in-public-schools/

wildswan said...

I think Walz should wear a dress and pearls and hunting boots to the proposed interview and anything else is an attack on this country's greatness which is diversity, e.g., drag queens and drag racing equally express masculinity but only one is non-toxic masculinity. You see, although masculinity as such is toxic yet by wearing a dress a man becomes an antidote to the toxin of masculinity in the arc of history. So Walz needs a dress. Custom made with that figure.

Political Junkie said...

Doesn't he have a career because of Poppa?

narciso said...

In every way they are both unfit for every office in the public sphere

narciso said...

Who would havr thought Fetterman would have more sense than Casey a little more anyways

Achilles said...

I wonder why the Stolen Valor POS and the stupid woman who caused these men to die didn't show up to the ceremony?

JRoberts said...

Walz reminds me of the guys my Dad used to tell me about.

My Dad was a doctor in NW Indiana (near Gary) and several times a year some former steelmill worker-come-union official would visit my Dad's office without an appointment and proceed to tell my Dad what he would be allowed to charge his union patients for services rendered.

If my Dad gave any resistance, the guy would give some version of "nice practice you got here. It would be a shame if I told my guys they couldn't bring their families here for medical services"

There would some back-slapping and some back stabbing and then the guy would get into his shiny new Cadillac and my Dad would drive home in his aging, rusting Chevrolet.

I wonder if Walz drives a shiny new Cadillac (or Mercedes)?

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

Many of the arguments on Althouse re: Pavel Durov (founder of Telegram) appears to overlook key aspects of legal responsibility. French law indeed allows for CEOs to be held criminally liable, particularly when it comes to their role in overseeing the company's operations and ensuring compliance with legal obligations. The notion of "piercing the corporate veil" applies in cases where the CEO's direct actions or negligence can be linked to the corporation's illegal activities.

This is not an emotional response but a well-established legal principle aimed at preventing CEOs from using their corporate entities as shields for unlawful behavior. Moreover, the liability of a platform like Telegram does not absolve the CEO from responsibility, especially if it can be shown that the CEO failed to take adequate measures to prevent illegal activities on the platform. This approach is essential to ensuring corporate accountability at the highest levels.

Jersey Fled said...

He was elected because half of the voters thought he WAS his dead father.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Devastating video. Mayorkas should be impeached not just held in contempt.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

She's a hack

Leland said...

Bank executives aren’t being arrested. Shipping executives aren’t being arrested. Speech is the crime supposedly committed. That France now makes laws that inhibit free speech, and really not hateful speech because you can hate Christians and Jews without fear of prosecution, is the issue.

Aggie said...

Well, are you a good little patriot, eh Rich? Just sticking up for those stalwarts in the French political system that are only doing their solemn duty, amirite?

Why just listen to all these disturbing opinions ! We might have to actually listen to these irate citizens, complaining that their country and their history is being replaced ! We're going to need some new laws ! We're going to need to nip this in the bud, Mon Dieu ! There's a danger we could lose our sinecure ! We need put some well-established legal principles aimed at preventing citizens from using their social media to speak their minds - others could follow !

Well done. Well done.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Mark's whining is almost as delicious as his tears. Why do think Leftists are more angry about Trump honoring the dead than at the Biden-Harris decisions that left those troops dead? Mark has strange priorities, but is reliably a barking seal with the talking points of the day.

Aggie said...

Hey ! Any thoughts on the UK's new Thought Police, Rich? Be careful what you say - they might be tuned in.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

@Aggie: You misunderstand the nature of the corporate veil, especially how it works vis a vis French criminal law.

Every democratic country has dispositions allowing the courts to order a third party to release information about alleged crimes. Court orders generally follow strict rules and, in particular, have to be specific.The third party (here Telegram)'s refusal to release the information based on free speech is utter nonsense.

narciso said...

You are a bad Minitrue drone, Facebook is an enabler of myriad crimes, obstruction of justice is just one of them

Durov is a pioneer with Vkontae that Putin took over now Macron wants to do the same

Ralph L said...

Macron is just jealous that Durov is prettier than he is.

Leland said...

Rich is now arguing openly for an illiberal society in the country that coined the phrase "laissez-faire". Rather than minimal restrictions to commerce, Rich says French law has and must enforce all sorts of restrictions to commerce. Sounds like Marxist ideology to me.

Lawnerd said...

Went to law school with his sister. The entitlement runs deep in that family.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

The somewhat infantile stance of libertarian absolutists is that there should be no limits on free speech. But a free society is not just about freedom of expression. It also revolves around the observance of laws and the protection of other precious human rights. Democracies may be messy but they are the best mechanisms we know for adjudicating between these freedoms and rights.

Rusty said...

If you stop at the Ace Hardware at Mazomanie there are sometimes baby chicks and ducks for sale inside.

Aggie said...

I don't misunderstand institutionalized censorship at all, nor do I misunderstand the government's purpose (any government) when they bring the massive power of their legal departments to bear upon a single individual. And I am deeply concerned about its implacable creep across western civilizations that were based, and formerly respected, individual rights of free expression. Masquerading it as a 'corporate veil' or other nonsense is just you being a faithful citizen.

But you shouldn't have that unquestioning trust either. Our own legal departments have managed to squash a list of notable individuals that were visitors to the island retreat and desert ranch of a noted pedophile, one that was allowed to prosper by those same interests. Do you think they're right to protect those interests all those year, at the expense of your daughters?

If you're placing your trust in powerful government institutions that have a monopoly of power over others, you're only imagining that your interests will be respected as if you're an exception.

Rusty said...

The Confederate Navy is another good one.

Aggie said...

Look ~! A Squirrel !

Rusty said...

30% of voters aren't paying attention, yet.

Rusty said...

Interesting. Walz reminds me of a serial killer.

Rocco said...

THEREFORE where certain religions---but not all---offer Worldwide Flood Stories, those floods **must** have happened, even though geologic evidence says otherwise.

Except that the geological evidence says that catastrophic floods have happened multiple times throughout the past.
- 5.3 million years ago, the Mediterranean dried up to a small series of salty lakes until a catastrophic event broke the dam blocking the Atlantic and refilled the seas.
- There were multiple catastrophic flooding events at the end of the last ice age: the floods that created the Scablands out west are just one example, as is the Altai floods in Central Asia.
- The Black Sea Deluge hypothesis is cited as a possible inspiration for the story of Noah. Although other events are cited as well.

Rusty said...

It's called "free speech" because there are no limits. Remember the part that says, " Congress shall pass no law................" Nah. Didn't think you did.

gilbar said...

as you All Know..
We have supplied The Ukraine, with WAR ENDING SUPER WEAPON F-16's!!

Trivia Question: How long will it be? Before they lose one?
https://www.wsj.com/world/ukrainian-f-16-is-destroyed-in-crash-4f6d66f6?mod=hp_lead_pos1

Rocco said...

Oswald “Rich” Bates said…
Democracies may be messy but they are the best mechanisms we know for adjudicating between these freedoms and rights.

Incorrect: A republic is typically better at securing both freedom and rights than a democracy. And France (and the West overall) are increasingly neither one.

And what do you mean by “adjudicating between freedom and rights”, anyway? You should change your screen name to Oswald Bates: https://youtu.be/71xxvp5R9hE

Maynard said...

Tell us where you draw the line on Free Speech, Rich.

I wonder if you agree with Tampon Tim that "hate speech" and "misinformation" should not be allowed.

Aggie said...

And he's being prosecuted for other people's speech. Not things that he himself has said or done.

Leland said...

There is no line for him to draw. He's not even arguing about censoring the speech of the person that committed wrong-speak. Rich is arguing to hold accountable anyone that allows another to speak freely using wrong-speak. That's his argument. That means all media can be held to account if they even repeat the wrong-speak that Rich deems criminal.

That's one hell of a debate method, to make illegal anyone that dares repeat the illegal claims of another. And this isn't just Rich. The UK is actively arresting people who like or repost the message of someone else's speech, and at least one EU minister would like to hold Elon liable for speech made by another.

Drago said...

LOL

LLR-democratical Rich making the New Soviet Democratical pitch for allowing the dems larded up vote by mail cheat numbers to determine the extent of our individual rights.

That alone tells you everything you would ever need to know about our li'l fascist authoritarian "amigo" Rich.

Sorry Abacus Boy Rich, our God-given rights are above your commie humanist corrupt ideas and our Constititional Republic govt exists to secure our rights against the predations of you and your marxist buddies.

Iman said...

BTK written all over that sumbitch.

Drago said...

Poor Soy Boy cat lady gadfly. He was wise to abandon his moronic hot take on the fake border bill and just start whining like a cat that hasnt been fed recently.

effinayright said...

@Mike(MJB Wolf)

Why the snot?

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4POY3VcztCE

No, I did not mislead. Listen to what Tucker says. He's not "speculating". HE SAYS his mind is made up. "Supernatural beings take physical form."

As for UFOs, here's a link to his beliefs about that topic: https://torontosun.com/news/world/tucker-carlson-shares-new-ufo-fears-i-dont-really-want-to-know-much-more

I can't find the link, but Tucker says in anoher YouTube interview that he believes UFOs and the aliens in them are among those supernatural beings
"made flesh", to use the Biblical expression.

Note: I did not "mock" Tucker. I simply reported my shock and dismay that he is VERY MUCH "over his skis" on this topic. And SINCE when do I have to explain MY beliefs when I point out how intellectually narrow he is on these topics? How can any rational person simply declare his mind is made up, when no definitive evidence has ever surfaced?

effinayright said...

@Rocco

I specifically said "worldwide flood stories". Not regional, not occurring in different parts of the world at different times. The Bible's flood story specifically describes gathering two of every species so they would survive that worldwide flood, for which there is no geological evidence. Sure, localized flooding took place when the last Ice Age ended, but not suddenly and not everywhere at once.

Michael McNeil said...

Rich talks about saving democracy in a nation—France—which right now is refusing to seat the victor party's delegates in the French Parliament after their winning the recent election.

Dr Weevil said...

We do not "All Know" what 'gilbar' just wrote, because it is false. Those of us who have been paying attention know that the US has provided zero F-16s to Ukraine, that the few they got a few weeks ago came from the Netherlands, and there are a few more on the way from Denmark and maybe one or two other countries.

A US spokesman did recently claim that the US sent them, but that was a lie. In fact, the US delayed the delivery of Dutch and Danish F-16s by about two years, because Biden, or Obama, or Jake Sullivan, or whoever is making the decisions in this administration, doesn't want Ukraine to win, as they could have done two years ago with adequate support. They want both Ukraine and Russia not to lose, which is of course impossible, and their unwillingness to arm Ukraine is killing hundreds of thousands more on both sides, while making the eventual collapse and dismemberment of Russia ever more likely.

gilbar said...

So, according to Dr We Evil, the f-16 DIDN'T Crash.. In FACT, was NEVER EVEN THERE!
You can TRUST Dr We Evil; he would NEVER slant the truth

Dr Weevil said...

Lying G.I.L.B.A.R. (the A is for 'anilingus') lies again. I didn't say the F-16 didn't crash, I said it was provided by the Netherlands, not the US. That is a fact. Why can't G.I.L.B.A.R. argue honestly, or address his adversary by name, as an adult?

Michael McNeil said...
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Michael McNeil said...

Since you provided no link I’ll rely on the very long Joe Rogan interview to say your interpretation of Carlson’s views are grossly simplified and misleading. He [Tucker Carlson] does note that every civilization in history has a similar creation story and traditional belief in a god or set of gods that have occasionally interacted with humanity. And this was the overwhelming consensus in the pre-industrial world.

Without getting into what Tucker Carlson may or may not believe, while on the subject of creation myths more generally, I like the creation myth of the Yurok Indians of far northwestern California (lower Klamath River and coast)—demolishing the common public perception today that indigenous Americans traditionally “possessed” no concept of private property (many lacked it, but not all). Indeed, all the best land in the prehistoric Yurok nation (which now constitutes the Yurok Reservation) was privately owned—which extremely individualistic ethos (their society admitted of the existence of no organization larger than the individual) might, I speculate, have something to do with the Yurok today making up California's most numerous, surviving Indian tribe.

As anthropologist A.L. Kroeber (father of SF author Ursula K. LeGuin!—who, one might note, wrote a novel called The Dispossessed) writes of Yurok mythology in his monumental Handbook of the Indians of California (1925): {quoting…}

If human beings own money and valuables they will be pleased and think of them. They will not be vindictive; and they will not kill readily, because they will not wish to pay away what they have and prize.

[Yurok myth of the five brothers who created the sky, money and property]

{/unQuote}

A.L. Kroeber describes the nature of traditional Yurok (and its neighbors') society: {quoting…}

Property and rights pertain to the realm of the individual, and the Yurok recognizes no public claim and the existence of no community. His world is wholly an aggregation of individuals. There being no society as such, there is no social organization. Clans, exogamic groups, chiefs or governors, political units, are unrepresented even by traces in northwestern California. The germinal, nameless political community that can be traced among the Indians of the greater part of the State is absent. Government being wanting, there is no authority, and without authority there can be no chief.

{/unQuote}

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Michael McNeil said...

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Thus, there was no authority in Yurok (and their neighbors') society. So, how did (how could) the inevitable disputes between individuals get resolved? The seemingly paradoxical answer is that the Yurok (et al.) had a binding law whose operation guided the resolution of such potentially lethal disagreements, to wit (as Kroeber observes): {quoting…}

These are the standards by which the Yurok regulate their conduct toward one another:
1. All rights, claims, possessions, and privileges are individual and personal, and all wrongs are against individuals. There is no offense against the community, no duty owing it, no right or power of any sort inhering in it.
2. There is no punishment, because a political state or social unit that might punish does not exist, and because punishment by an individual would constitute a new offense which might be morally justified but would expose to a new and unweakened liability. An act of revenge therefore causes two liabilities to lie where one lay before.
3. Every possession and privilege, and every injury and offense, can be exactly valued in terms of property.
4. There is no distinction between material and nonmaterial ownership, right, or damage, nor between property rights in persons and in things.
5. Every invasion of privilege or property must be exactly compensated.
6. Intent or ignorance, malice or negligence, are never a factor. The fact and amount of damage are alone considered. The psychological attitude is as if intent were always involved.
7. Directness or indirectness of cause of damage is not considered, except in so far as a direct cause has precedence over an indirect one. If the agent who is directly responsible can not satisfactorily be made amenable, liability automatically attaches to the next agent or instrument in the chain of causality, and so on indefinitely.
8. Settlement of compensation due is arrived at by negotiation of the parties interested or their representatives, and by them alone.
9. When compensation has been agreed upon and accepted for a claim, this claim is irrevocably and totally extinguished. Even the harboring of a sentiment of injury is thereafter improper, and if such sentiment can be indirectly connected with the commission of an injury, it establishes a valid counter-liability. The known cherishing of resentment will even be alleged as prima facie evidence of responsibility in case an injury of undeterminable personal agency is suffered.
10. Sex, age, nationality, or record of previous wrongs or damage inflicted or suffered do not in any measure modify or diminish liability.
11. Property either possesses a value fixed by custom, or can be valued by consideration of payments made for it in previous changes of ownership. Persons possess valuations that differ, and the valuation of the same nonmaterial property or privilege varies, according to the rating of the person owning it. The rating of persons depends partly upon the amount of property which they possess, partly upon the values which have previously passed in transfers or compensations concerning themselves or their ancestors.

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Fascinating, no?

effinayright said...

Mark "said", and I >>>>replied:

"If it wasn't for the campaign, why did Trump put out a TikTok ad with footage from it within 48 hours?"

>>>>>>Simp. When he was ASKED to participate, he attended. But he didn't arrange the event "for the campaign". Nor did he prmise to anyone he wouldn't showw the event on Tik Tok, especially when it became newsworthy.

"Where was Trump at the 1st or 2nd Anniversary? Funny how when the 3rd appears within campaign time now he's all about the photo opp laying wreaths."

>>>>Did the Gold Star families ASK Trump to attend on those anniversaries?
Did he decline if asked? If not asked, what's the point of yer freakin question?

"Three families do not get to change policy. And certainly not when other servicemembers graves show in the photo opp object."

>>>>Oh, so a request to change the time of the event is a breach of some hard policy? And what policy forbids showing other graves in a photo on public property? You certainly sound like a useless chair-moistening bureaucrat (which intellectually is exactly what you are.)

>>>>In any event, the policy was changed....by government officials higher in the food chain.

Jim at said...

Harris said at the convention that Trump beat down an attempt by the Biden Adminitration to pass a legislative compromise

What elected office does Trump hold which allowed him to perform such a magical feat?

Jim at said...

Where was Trump at the 1st or 2nd Anniversary?

Was he asked by the family to attend the prior two times? No? Then what's your point?

Where were YOUR candidates on that day? You know, the ones responsible for those 13 dead Marines?

Nowhere to be found. So, spare me your fucking outrage.

Aggie said...

I believe the aircraft originated in manufacture in the US, and probably its assignment to the war was something that was organized by multiple NATO countries - but what is much more interesting, is that it apparently was shot down mistakenly by the Ukrainian's own defense systems, killing the pilot.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-us-made-f16-jet-downed-ukraine-during-combat-pilot-killed

Dr Weevil said...

Aggie:
If you believe anything ZeroHedge writes about Ukraine, you are believing Russian propaganda. The Russians have shot down a lot of their own airplanes and helicopters, and it is almost certainly the Russians who pretend that Ukraine did the same, to make themselves feel less pathetic.

And the simple fact is that the US has refused to provide any of the hundreds of F-16s we have lined up in rows in the desert, so the only ones they can get are the few the Netherlands and Denmark have. Again, Biden (or whoever) doesn't want Ukraine to win.

Rusty said...

Rich. The french function under the nepolianic code. It doesn't operate the same way our constitution does. They don't enjoy free speech rights like we do.

Aggie said...

Any thoughts on the Ukraine admitting that they shot down their own aircraft?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-sacks-air-force-commander-following-reports-f-16was-downed-friendly-fire

I know you think Zerohedge is Russian agit-prop. I think they're just a conservative-tilted news aggregator. You noticed that they publish articles that are written by other people, in other news organizations - right? Say - why not loosen up the sweatband on your tinfoil hat and answer some of the questions you've been asked? I've heard, but not confirmed, that NATO alliance countries sometimes get together to plan things jointly, things that include American made aircraft, that are often maintained and upgraded by their American manufacturers. Also, they talk about the movement of military assets, so forth. Weird, huh?

By the way, I don't like seeing Ukraine being propped up as a Russian antagonist, don't like the look of this conflict, don't like the approach being taken to resolve it.

Dr Weevil said...

The F-16s provided to Ukraine were not in fact manufactured in the US. Here (link) is the Air Force fact sheet on F-16s. Note this bit:

"The F-16 was built under an unusual agreement creating a consortium between the United States and four NATO countries: Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway. These countries jointly produced with the United States an initial 348 F-16s for their air forces. Final airframe assembly lines were located in Belgium and the Netherlands. The consortium's F-16s are assembled from components manufactured in all five countries. Belgium also provides final assembly of the F100 engine used in the European F-16s. Recently, Portugal joined the consortium. The long-term benefits of this program will be technology transfer among the nations producing the F-16, and a common-use aircraft for NATO nations. This program increases the supply and availability of repair parts in Europe and improves the F-16's combat readiness."