"These are the good progressive dads... the 'nice men of the left' who do guy things like coach football but also manifest liberal and feminist virtues.... Then there is the other model, the dark side of the Y chromosome: the toxic masculinity of Donald Trump, the anti-cat-lady conservatism of JD Vance.... But has liberalism perfected a model of modern masculinity while conservative culture slouches somewhere far behind? I’m skeptical.... First, I would have thought that by now liberals would be hesitant about proclaiming the special personal virtues of the male feminist, the enlightened pro-choice dude. After Bill Clinton, Eliot Spitzer and Harvey Weinstein, after MeToo case studies too numerous to count, surely we can say that sleaze percolates on the left and right alike.... Second... a strong, religiously motivated commitment to marriage and family — [is] not necessarily... anti-feminist.... [N]eo-traditional households actually show relatively egalitarian patterns of burden-sharing between spouses and strong paternal involvement in child rearing...."
Douthat expresses skepticism about the generalizations and caricatures on both sides. I'll just add that feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics.
ADDED: I interact with Grok again:
I laughed a lot, and I'm not exactly sure why, but Meade didn't think it was funny at all, so I tried again:
That's only funny for being a terrible failure at understanding the prompt. Where's the dadness? Where's the feminist virtue? Why is he in a stadium? The first picture was funnier.
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Well....... Assistant coach, maybe.
I’m off to see Coach Walz in Omaha!
I think it's important for people to reflect on the fact that Doug Emhoff impregnated his children's nanny while he was married to his first wife. We don't know what happened to the baby because the news media won't tell us. I highly suspect that they killed it.
That is the kind of a man that he is. That is what is on the ballot.
None of this was a deal-breaker for Kamala Harris. She married him anyway.
That is everything you need to know about this woman's judgement. We now need to ask ourselves ... is someone with this poor of a judge of a man's character the kind of person we want leading our country?
I read that as her vp pick having a husband named Doug.
Feminism was indeed proved dysfunctional and partisan when no major feminist orgs. decried the rapes on October 7.
After Bill Clinton, Eliot Spitzer and Harvey Weinstein, after MeToo case studies too numerous to count, surely we can say that sleaze percolates on the left
i'd like to see a case on the right?
Oh WAIT! i know, there was a sex columnist that claimed (without evidence) that she was raped (IN PUBLIC!) by Trump.. Sometime in the 20th century ?
Also, there was a surfer girl, that claimed (without evidence) that she had a pass made at her, maybe by a republical judge.. But: she couldn't remember when or where or how or why or what happened
OH! and there was a stripper/porn actress that testified.. UNDER OATH, that she''d NEVER had sex with Trump.. At all.. EVER
"I'll just add that feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics. "
Agreed, Ann.
Um, masculinity is on the ballot ? I eagerly await any evidence to support that scurrilouse assertion.
Another noted feminist, Arnold Scharzeneggar, also knocked up his maid. He apparently supported the kid all his life. I don't think the Left celebrated this.
D good.
R bad.
Nice men that impregnate the nanny and send the police to shoot paintballs at you if you stand on your porch.
Lol. Emhoff got his nanny pregnant. Hardly a stand up guy. For all of Trump's marriage problems, I will give him credit for marrying Marla Maples when he got her pregnant. Salvaging the best of a bad situation.
Real modern male feminists shtup the nanny, didn't you know?
This is where I really miss my late wife. First woman I ever met who bitterly denounced the pagan religion of feminism. “Fuck feminism,” was all she had to say on the subject. When women tried to indoctrinate her in their pagan religion, she told them to go fuck themselves. The funny part of this is that she was a blazingly beautiful and sexy Filipina and the lesbo feminists just took the beating because they were hoping to get some pussy. This was a hilarious part of our lives together. Everybody wanted her, so they would suffer the ridicule of this pathetic, evil pagan religion they wouldn’t accept from anybody else.
“[M]anifest liberal and feminist virtues. . . That phrase made me puke. Every day I find a reason to dislike progressives more and more.
I'll just add that feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics
Good on Ann for poking around the edge...the rest of 'em can't touch the subject with a ten foot pole. It would be impossible to have a constructive conversation about Kamala and Hillary type women without outright lies not even their own people would abide...
This. And Walz is no paragon of virtue either with his stolen valor lies.
"'nice men of the left'"......wasn't second gentleman Doug schtupping (and impregnating) the babysitter?
Feminism is dysfunctional and it is 100% partisan.
Feminism jumped the shark for Billy Jeff. Anyone who didn't realize it was controlled by the left after that is willfully blind.
"But has liberalism perfected a model of modern masculinity while conservative culture slouches somewhere far behind?"
And yet some people will tell you there's no such thing as a stupid question.
Captain rhhardin white courtesy phone.
feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics
There’s a strong argument to be made that it never has “stood apart,” with the best evidence being the behavior of Progressive feminists towards any right of center women who espouse feminist ideals to the point of declaring Republican women as “not real women.” If the old saying that you can judge someone by the company they keep has any validity then feminism has always been highly partisan despite the happy face it occasionally wears.
Assistant Coach.
Don't forget Neil "Tubcuddle" Gaiman. "Male feminist" is a warning that you are either a tiresome sexless drone or a predator. Not much space in between.
Now do the Monica Lewinsky episode.
Feminism is a class-disordered ideology. Progress is an [unqualified] monotonic function. Liberal is a divergent quality. Gender is sex-correlated attributes. Pro-Choice is an ethical religion: selective, opportunistic. That said, men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature. Reconcile.
So much to unwrap. #HateLovesAbortion
Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton and Algore were all feminists and alike in so many other ways as well.
Serious question: can one be a feminist and oppose abortion?
Fun party game. Name one self-identified feminist man who has been 100% monogamous and free of any accusations of abuse.
Quite an astounding statement, but was it out of context?
Here's the whole TED Talk.
It was about Wikipedia. Katherine Maher was the CEO of Wikimedia which runs Wikipedia.
After watching the whole TED Talk, I still get a pretty bad vibe from her. She sort of used anthropomorphic climate catastrophe as an example of an undisputed truth and fighting contradictory information around climate change as the baseline for developing techniques to curate information on Wikipedia. She was vague about the details. Not reassuring.
I sense many “enlightened maleness” memes being generated across the land. What a douchebag phrase Ross chose.
Maleness.
Pillsbury Doughboyness.
Now why would blogger disappear my “fun party game” comment given it was the most anodyne of my contributions thus far?
Its algorithm is unpredictable.
The Soviet Left are trashing JD Vance - non-stop. With vicious invective. The Soviet Left are pimping a White Left Lying Covid lock-Down Nazi named Tim Walz(D).
Anti-cat lady? It's certainly nothing to celebrate, normalize.
Modern feminism is dead. Long live males competing in Women's sports!~
Poor Ross must lead his piece in a way that doesn't alienate the NYT readers. Every objection made here in the comments is addressed by Ross, but not until paragraph three where he's hoping he's tricked the liberals into continuing.
American conservativism is a philosophy of moderation, influenced by classical liberalism and Christianity.
Anthropogenic Intelligence with tags.
"I'll just add that feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics."
Funny. Especially since for about half a century real-world feminism has been strictly partisan.
Anyway, like anything else, football is just another convenient prog tool. Outside of election season, it's an exercise in violent toxic masculinity.
Is it just deplorable me or do nanny-impregnator Emhoff and lying-liar Walz give other manly men exactly the wrong vibes?
Our beta male usual suspects will be along momentarily.
Keep namecalling. That always wins friends and elections.
Feminism is dancing around the statue of the Golden Calf and anal intercourse. That’s about it, plus the strange kink for gay men you can just assume among feminist women. That’s really about butt sex, too.
Lefty Mark is offended by "name calling." How about attempted assassination ?
"I am as opposed to Harris as is possible, and I loathe this tactic. Stop doing it."
You are nowhere near as opposed to Harris as is possible.
I like women who love sex with men, particularly oral sex. This is qualification to me, not a disqualification. Women, no matter their religion or politics, are always trying to find the best deal in return for sex.
"I would like an image of an enlightened male who is a good progressive dad, a nice man of the left who does guy things and manifests liberal and feminist virtues."
Grok: Sure, here's that photo of a progressive dude getting butt railed on the floor of the United States Senate.
The history of Trump's romantic life and sexual encounters are not as edifying as, say, that of Pence or Carter. I'll say this for him though: He played hard ball with women, but the women he engaged with could handle fast ball pitching. I would say that some of the women he was linked to were even more opportunistic than he. He was a naive swain in his dealings with Stormy Daniels. I give him more credit in this regard than the average Kennedy or the women that Bill Clinton hit on. I'm pretty sure a committed feminist could find something to criticize about Emhoff and the nanny--not that they ever would. I don't think it's even possible for a feminist to find anything unethical in Stormy Daniels behavior, but what Trump did was a prison offense.
The first picture looks like Aaron Rogers. Who knew?
Feminist Dems are so twitterpated about getting a woman president, they're not going to raise a fuss.
Although historically women's lib shit on any of their ranks with the audacity to be a star.
Anyway, I've been polled seven times this month...
Rogers...Rodgers...whatever.
I would say that the most monstrous abortion policy of our time was not instituted in Oklahoma, but rather in China. China's one child policy was god-awful. What's worse than women being denied the right to abortion is women being forced to have an abortion. And what's worse than women being forced to have an abortion is women abandoning female babies by the side of the road. This happened to millions of women and with minimal opposition from Western feminists......You're probably not hearing it here first, but there's quite a lot of hypocrisy among feminists.
Meade didn't think it was funny at all
An enlightened male says “That’s not funny” at least once a day to demonstrate he’s an ally of feminism.
Progressive dads. Wow, an ass chaser and a valor stealing Marxist. They fit my picture.
Party members pushing forward two sneaking, cheating, femmy, fascist, deceitful, cowardly pussies as examples of Real Men...LMFAO! Libs are such deranged, demented shitheads. It would be funny if they weren't such dangerous, violent, perverted, backstabbing scumbags too.
I think the first photo evokes a ton of "Feminist Virtue."
He seems to be saying, "Of course my daughters had abortions. And I paid for them!"
I found the headline a bit tedious but then realized that the author had been very specific choosing the words. For me, there is a great difference between male and man. For example, one could be a gay male or a straight man. One could not be a gay man or a straight male - at least in my opinion. If you're not a man, you can strive for maleness, I.e., Dougie and pedo dad Walz and that is the ideal for democrats.
Massively correlated automaton constructs influenced by anthropogenic intelligence and functional primitives.
Trump seems to be a good dad and used to be a Democrat.
Trump being a good dad is why Barron as the nation's first home-school shooter was funny.
Grok doesn’t yet understand the difference between coaching and playing football. And what number is that on the second jersey? Is that the air of satire?
Second photo is Ryan Gosling?
Dad carrying the ball is a metaphor for a baby. Mom is downfield waiting for the pass. Touchdown!
Parents invariably subscribe to authoritarian governance before their children graduate to adulthood.
I guess beard = progressive while football = manly
"On one side, there’s the enlightened maleness embodied by Harris’s vice-presidential pick...
I also laud the enlightened male. Let's foster more and more who cut and run from their obligations when the going gets tough. That is the quintessential embodiment of what it means to be a man.
Coaches don't wear shoulder pads.
"Without evidence' would be a good adjective. All she had was a photo taken at a golf tournament. No other evidence was ever presented. It was a pretty clear case of attempted extortion, which is a crime, by the way.
Waiting to hear your fabricated story about interacting with him
Every once in a while, not often, but occasionally, I actually read the article before commenting. The column is not entirely the expected whacko lefty nonsense:
But if conservative forms of fatherhood were obviously toxic relative to the "Walzian glories of liberal dadhood, you would presumably expect to see those effects made manifest among children. And this is the third reason to doubt the caricature of cool liberal fathers and toxic right-wing dads: If you look at the data on the teenage mental-health crisis of the past decade, the indicators are conspicuously worse for liberal kids, who are seemingly more anxious and depressed than their conservative peers. "
Another:
"Indeed, if I were interested in spinning up a counter-caricature, I would suggest that a “cool progressive dad” model of parenting may create special problems for teenagers, because it’s rooted in a misguided belief that kids are supposed to be more enlightened than their parents, that a good dad just listens and learns from his wise progressive teenager. In fact, most children need more discipline, adult guidance and psychological-religious grounding before they’re ready to teach their parents anything — so being a cool progressive parent is often a good way to set your kids adrift.
Trump did do something to expand or explode older ideas of masculinity. Everything is beautiful or gorgeous, and he talks a lot about how he loves all sorts of people and things. That's not exactly tight-lipped, non-effusive Gary Cooper.
What critics object to in Trump is the old (Boomer) Adam that's hard for a lot of us to get rid of. Back in the Clinton years, we were told not to expect politicians to be saints. Good advice now, since none of them are.
I see an old quarterback and an old receiver who must be playing in some old timers football league. I don’t see anything that tells me what kind of fathers or “feminists” they may be. But then again no one has ever accused me of being a genius at allegories.
Heh. The first "enlightened dad" image made me laugh too. It actually looks like the platonic form of CrossFit dad who attends an evangelical church, likes going to the lake, and is thinking about becoming a realtor.
Progressive dads = girlie men
@Bob Boyd - I live not far from where Katherine Maher grew up and went to high school. I swear there must be a local farm that raises clones of her. Attending a cocktail party around here can be maddening if you don't approach it with the right spirit.
Why do you think Kamala knew about The Nanny before she married him?
Is it possible to ask Grok to explain how it illustrated each of your prompts in the photos?
Poor John Edwards doesn’t even get a mention!
Ross Douchehat gave up any pretense of masculinity ages ago.
Just another washed up National Review alum willing to say or write whatever to keep the gravy train rolling.
Top picture prompts:
Guy who tried keto last summer and is thinking of doing Whole30 this fall.
Guy thinking of going on steroids, oh right, I mean "HRT."
Volunteer coach of your child's city league baseball team.
Guy who tells you about this new thing called block chain.
Husband of Ashley.
"... looks like the platonic form of CrossFit dad who attends an evangelical church, likes going to the lake, and is thinking about becoming a realtor."
I enjoyed this comment.
Also, “male feminist” = sex pest or creeper. Every. Freaking. Time.
Real men don’t need to pretend to be something they aren’t.
Our nation is being run by three women; Kamala, Pelosi, and Schumer. It's no wonder we're fucked.
Hahahhahaha!
The progressive entered the game as a tight end and finished as a wide receiver.
I get the impression you may have spent some time…thinking about it…
Dukakis?
Has AI not figured out yet that IF these people have beards, it's always accompanied by a manbun?!
I'll just add that feminism is dysfunctional if it doesn't stand apart from partisan politics."
I read the "if" as "and", and thought "Wow, Althouse has really turned the corner here."
Alas.
AI can give us whatever we want, so long as what we want is capable of creation via algorithm. This aspect of AI puts new emphasis on the old saying, "be careful what you wish for".
Doesn't it seem as though the Dems are using AI to generate their sales pitch?
Progressive women, when asked to choose, overwhelmingly prefer to be alone in the wilderness with a bear rather than a male human. Make of that data point what you will.
I think the second is Coach Beard from Ted Lasso.
Neck beards…
Mayor Alfred E. Neumann.
Sounds like the male counterpart to Mona Charen.
The Walz rally crowd was about 75% female and about 50% unionized teachers.
Enlightened progressive men are willing to dress up in football costumes, but will not physically engage in such a violent sport. Therefore they have no use for and do not use shoulder pads and prefer the blousy look AKA the puff sleeve.
Psychological-religious grounding? In a column about Trump as dad on the right? Of course he was dad on the left until recently.
"Where's the dadness?"
He left it at home with his biceps. There are some things that AI has trouble creating and I guess biceps is/are one.
Without them taking a knee for the National Anthem, even the douchebag beard doesn't register sensitive Democrat man. If AI sees the need for a sports uniform, I would suggest a lycra biking outfit: for USA deep blue cities, that's the equivalent of the French speedo.
Wouldn't it be more parsimonious and concise to just say "simps."
The first rule of man club is we don't talk about man club.
And the percentage of "enlightened males"?
Squirrel!
I suspect that Trump has changed his opinions very little. The Democrats have morphed into something That my Democrat parents would flee.
There are pro-life feminists. It's easier just to abandon feminism and be a humanist. Respect all humanity. The basic problem with feminism is that, by its very nature, it supports only women, and so it's in opposition to men and babies.
Alas, poor pigskin! I kicked him, AI, a ball of infinite wobbles, of most excellent loft.
Grok sounds like a medieval Norwegian marauder. Chat gpt sounds like a harmless career bureaucrette.
Yorick's skull in the Hamlet skull scene is a symbol of death, the ultimate destination of life. Hamlet holding the skull represents the duality of life and death.
A wicked solution, a life deemed unworthy of life. The man holding the fetus represents the duality of progress and regress. An AI burdened with liberal influence and dysfunctional primitives.
SThomas, again I say you appear to have led a very interesting life. Also, are lesbians are dumb as teenage boys, in their pursuit?
No offense to teenage boys. All teenagers are dumb. It's hormones.
I used to consider myself a feminist. The left has utterly poisoned the brand. Modern men of the right have no problem with intelligent, independent women who understand their evolutionary role but aren't hung up about it - they consider them worthy partners, just as modern women of the right consider strong, intelligent men who understand their evolutionary role but aren't hung up about it to be worthy partners.
I always figured it was just a subset of game.
I guess "existential threat to democracy" isn't name-calling - not a proper noun, don't you know.
Despite all evidence to the contrary, including the adoption of the existential threat's policies, abandonment of the targeting language, distancing from the incumbent's administration in ways that, surprisingly, resemble the existential threat's administration...
Women crave anal sex? Well, shoot. I knew I was doing something wrong.
Why again are we supposed to need abortions then? Is it the toilet seat/hot tub thing?
It's not an iron-clad guarantee that a man who says he is a "male feminists" is a manipulative, scheming slime-weasel . . . but that's the way to bet.
I've said this here a number of times: we are always told that elective abortions are the province of strong, educated women for whom pregnancy right now would be a career disqualifier, and for unfortunate naives who "fell pregnant" through the duplicity of men in some way. Neither group uses effective birth control, apparently.
But what I want to know is, how many abortions in the US are coerced by a boyfriend, even a husband, a parent, a pimp?
No, overly groomed beards! Be a little scruffy, guys.
2nd AI is a Will Ferrel version of the first.
What if you add "30trips to China and allowing protesters to decimate most populous city"
“Alas, poor pigskin! I kicked him, AI, a ball of infinite wobbles, of most excellent loft.”
You old bastard ! Ha, ha fing ha, very fing funny,
“Male feminist” is a mating strategy. It’s not just that there are creepers on the left and the right, but that every male on the left is a creeper.
The Dems get a twofer in Kamala: despite being nominally married to a guy who performed the ultimate bad-guy act of knocking up his nanny and abandoning both mother and child (somehow: our disgraceful media won't even tell us if Kamama is also a step-grandmother to an unacknowledged grandchild or if the child was aborted), she's still a full-bore cat lady in mein. What is it with Democrats refusing to contemplate the existence of unwanted grandchildren? Trump's dalliances pale in comparison to Democrats': at least he wasn't impregnating the babysitter or getting taxpayer set-aside jobs for blow jobs. And his first and current wife were and are strong and independent women -- the kind who survived and escaped communist oppression.
Walz just screws Communist China. Now there's a harsh mistress. We'll learn.
Hey, remember when Obama said he had to marry a black woman to become an elected official and dumped his longtime partner/proposed fiance (though he slept with her after finding Michelle?). Is it progress that Kamala felt she could choose a husband of any race, though Obama knew he needed a black wife to win? And if so, progress for whom? What does that say about male candidates versus female candidates, their spouses, and race, specifically?
Bahahaha.
The first picture looks like a quintessential conservative man. I'm sure some strong, normal looking men are of the left but that type of man is usually a conservative.
Obama wanted to go all the way to the top and planned his life accordingly. Harris didn't. She wanted a comfortable life. A seat in the Senate and a rich husband would give that to her. It was Biden who gave her a shot at the big time. She did run for president in 2020, but that was part of a large pack who were all trying out their chances.
Also, San Francisco and Los Angeles are different from Chicago. African-Americans aren't as powerful a bloc there. Harris relied more on the votes of white liberals than blacks. There's a gender difference as well. Black men and white women are more of a red flag to voters, especially black women, than black women and white men. If Harris had married an African-American, though, he'd be more of an asset to her campaigning. If she had kids with him, she'd be doing even better in the polls.
What about the "numbers" on the jersey in the second image? A sort of "8" (but not in any font I recognize) and a backwards "C". Definite AIness there.
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