"'A diverse array of horny dreamers, oddballs, misfits, and sycophants freeload on heavy rotation,' Moon describes in her memoir. (They included longtime Zappa bassist Roy Estrada, who was later twice convicted on charges of child molestation.) 'I still wear my pacifier around my neck for security, never knowing who’s safe and who isn’t, who my dad is humping and who he isn’t.' In a 1971 documentary, Frank was asked about his affairs on the road. 'I like to get laid,' he said. What about your wife, the interviewer asked? 'She’s become accustomed to it over a period of years,' says Zappa.... In fact, Gail was bitterly unhappy about his extramarital pursuits and could explode into rages. Moon writes about the time her father asked her to find the gun so her mother couldn’t get her hands on it. 'Gail is on a rampage,' he said. 'I didn’t even know we had a gun,' she writes.... Even after the groupies drifted away, nothing much changed. There was no structure, no family vacations, no PTA meetings. None of the four Zappa children graduated from high school.... Ahmet and Moon... each ran away from home only to find that nobody seemed to notice."
From "Frank Zappa’s kids are still grappling with his legacy — and each other/Like their dad’s oddball rock songs, their family defied description. His music, and their pain, has endured" (WaPo)(free access link).
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To top it off, Zappa’s music was unlistenable crap. The guy couldn’t or wouldn’t write a coherent melody. Clever potty jokes. Once you got the joke, there was no reason to listen the second time.
No free link. Not having read the article, the brief description is disheartening. I always appreciated Zappa’s talent and his mentoring of young rockers, but sheesh
Zappa once said, "The world is rudderless."
Apparently so was his family.
Abandoning kids, abusing your wife and having the morals of an alley cat (the usual modus operandi of a musician) doesn’t speak well of the man.
Just what I always expected. Well, I hope his uneducated kids are supported by Frank's estate. Wonder what his royalties are like these days.
the ‘middle’ name is Unit.
Shouting Thomas said "The guy couldn’t or wouldn’t write a coherent melody"
Wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2M5OSgFZRE
"each ran away from home only to find that nobody seemed to notice."
What home? What family?
There was no structure...
That was his brand, his professional persona, right? Mocking structure through subversive lyrics and unstructured musical accompaniment.
Children and families thrive on boring, structured lives led by parents who don't recoil from the 9-to-5 "rat race." But that won't get you a fawning write-up in the Rolling Stone.
"No free link." I expended one of my 10 monthly gift links to make this free. Are you saying it didn't work? I put some effort into selecting only 10 things per month. Am I wasting my time?
I tried on a different computer where I was not signed it, and it verified that this is a gift link.
Over and over again (and I say this as a Zappa fan) we discover that our most gifted artists are and were severely screwed up people in many ways. In his case, I suspect he paid so much of his attention to his own inner voice he just didn't find room for people. He always found women for sex and the very best musicians available for his music, and that met his needs for human contact. Still, I miss not having the works of his fifties, sixties and beyond like I miss what Mozart might have written.
People are complicated and the truth is often not pretty.
The link didn’t work for me, others may’ve had success.
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"No free link." I expended one of my 10 monthly gift links to make this free. Are you saying it didn't work? I put some effort into selecting only 10 things per month. Am I wasting my time?
It spams you for your email address to read the article.
“People are complicated and the truth is often not pretty.”
Charles Manson loved walks on the beach.
No, you're not wasting your time. I used it. Thanks!
Shouting Thomas said...
To top it off, Zappa’s music was unlistenable crap. The guy couldn’t or wouldn’t write a coherent melody.
You just don't understand their statistical density.
Viz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atEoPHActA
There is a small price for "free".
Never a huge fan. I wouldn't call his potty jokes clever, either. The only two albums I'd own are Shut Up and Play Your Guitar and Hot Rats. both instrumental albums. There are songs here and there I like buried in the rest of his stuff, but not a whole album's worth.
I've never understood why some people have kids and then ignore them.
I find it amusing that Tipper Gore became friends with the Zappa family.
I would love to read her memoir.
An interesting an long thread on the Zappa’s business dispute:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-feuding-zappas.532382/
I was never a big fan but I did buy the “Dancing Fool” single.A parody and a good disco song.
I find it amusing that Tipper Gore became friends with the Zappa family.
I would love to read her memoir.
An interesting an long thread on the Zappa’s business dispute:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-feuding-zappas.532382/
I was never a big fan but I did buy the “Dancing Fool” single.A parody and a good disco song.
I saw Zappa perform live and that man burned through a whole pack of smokes in just the two hours he played. My family were also chain smokers then and so I was used it, but it was really a red flag to me bc publically Zappa was very high falluting and obnoxious about how HE didn't use ANY drugs bc HE was way too smart & hip for that shit. So Zappa was a massive hypocrite about that it seemed. Weasels Ripped My Flesh was the only album of his I bought and that was bc i liked the cover art. Bottom line: Having talent and ability doesn't mean you are a good person necessarily which was a lesson I needed to learn at the time. Don't follow leaders watch the parking meters.
Charles Manson also wrote and performed a couple of songs that are actually pretty decent. 'Look at Your Game Girl' is quite good 60s pop. 'Cease to Exist' is a chilling, psychedelic song that wouldn't be out of place on a Jefferson Airplane album. Being a murderous psycho doesn't mean you can't also have talent. (Both songs can be found on Youtube, BTW)
John, if there is a "small price" it is disinformation to call it free. Cheap, perhaps, but not free.
You could go to jail in the UK for posting disinformation. Thankfully not here.
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Frank Zappa was an asshole. Commenter DEEP STATE REFORMER above mentions "Weasels Ripped My Flesh" as the only Zappa record he bought, attracted by the cover. WRMF is one of only two Zappa records I bought, and I, too, was attracted by the cover art. (The other Zappa record I bought was "Absolutely Free.") I came to LOVE "Weasels Ripped My Flesh," every song, every minute of it. "Absolutely Free" had a couple of okay tracks, but it never drew me in. I HATED virtually everything else Zappa ever produced that I had occasion to hear after he disbanded his original band. His music (and "humorous" lyrics) struck me as a perfect representation of him: smug, superior, self-centered, condescending, and exhibitionist.
Zappa's music wasn't worth pretending to like. I was given a ride by one of Zappa's occasional drummers up while hitchhiking and he had some good stories to tell, so there was that.
He was a great Free Speak proponent. A true libertine libertarian
I did avail myself of the "freebie" offered to read the Washington Post article on the Zappa family. It's a shame their parents, jointly and/or singly, created this dynamic of jealousy, suspicion, and bruised feelings among the Zappa children. But, am I wrong, or isn't this a fairly common dynamic among the children of the wealthy and the widely known?
So his parenting skills were right up there with his musicianship. What an asshole.
And yet, Zappa never showered with his daughter.
I listened to FZ’s band because of the marimba player, Ruth Underwood. Give “Montana” a listen.
I heard a lot of praise for the quality of Zappa's band, not sure what that says about the music ...
This is just a display of ignorance.
It's a shame Gail decided to split the estate unevenly, and Frank was certainly not an ideal father or husband, to say the least. When I read about famous and successful people, I'm glad with just being a regular dude.
Not liking him is one thing, but on a purely technical level he was a very accomplished guitarist.
I saw a Zappa concert at the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis in 1970. It was a small venue with a thrust stage, a very intimate feel in the audience. As we entered the theater we were given programs wrapped in bubble wrap, which was then a new novelty. Everyone started popping their bubbles, waiting for the show to start. Then the pre-show began--a tumbling act! Completely unexpected, but entertaining. The performance was reasonable, but I couldn't make out most of the words. As long as my date enjoyed it, I was happy.
I had several Zappa albums, beginning with Freak Out, Only in it For the Money and Uncle Meat (my favorite) and several of the later ones. Ruben and the Jets was a favorite. Weasels, Waka-Jawaka, Hot Rats, Sheik yer Booty. Loved them all. I agree, much of what he did was unlistenable, but mingled with it all were shining moments of beautiful complexity that get better with age. Like Beethoven.
I saw him at the Armadillo World Headquarters in 1973 or 74. He walked on stage, lit up a cigarette, stuck it between the E string and the neck up by the tuning knobs and left it there for the whole concert as if it was an incense stick. I met a girl who pulled out a party doobie the size of a cucumber. I really don't remember anything else about that concert.
I saw him at "the recent gymnasium extravaganza at Edinboro State College, Edinboro, Pennsylvania, May 8, 1974". (From the liner notes from the album "Roxy & Elsewhere.)
All I remember is; "I was there".
Yeah. That must be why the best artists and musicians were clamoring to be on his albums.
Zappa’s music was inspired and inspirational, it had a great hippie Intellectual quality. It was mind expanding. Similar to Carroll, better than most of the genre. So piss off you nit wits, ( to quote Zappa).
Zappa became the guy prog musicians had to intern with for cred. But he did pen "Why does it hurt when U per" which may be explained by his relentless spelunking.
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