July 27, 2024

"There can be no single emissary for the more than 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide..."

"... (not all of whom have ties to Appalachia, itself a wildly heterogenous region). Force of personality — or in Vance’s case, rustic kitsch — is no substitute for research. In his recent book 'Elite Capture,' the philosopher Olufemi O. Taiwo warns of the eponymous phenomenon, whereby privileged members of oppressed groups become spokespeople for those groups — and, in so doing, co-opt them. For instance, the members of the 'black bourgeoisie' who are so often the face of movements for racial justice emphatically do not speak for the majority of Black Americans.... This is one problem with identity politics, with its mania for electing envoys: The members of a marginalized group who enjoy enough of a public platform to speak on its behalf are often not representative. Vance, who went on to land a lucrative job at Peter Thiel’s venture capital firm after law school, is hardly a typical hillbilly, and there is no guarantee that he has the interests of his less fortunate peers at heart."

Writes Becca Rothfeld, in "'Hillbilly Elegy' and J.D. Vance’s art of having it both ways/In his memoir and for some time after, Vance told liberals what they wanted to hear — but then he wanted power" (WaPo).

The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics? 

112 comments:

doctrev said...

Quick reminder that Donald Trump got 76 million votes, which is why 2 AM vote fraud was needed to stop him.

I don't think JD Vance is the "heir" of MAGA or a drag on the ticket. He's a relatively bland cipher who probably shouldn't have written about suspecting he was gay to his mamaw. The globalists are freaking out about his perfectly accurate observation about cat ladies being a core component of the Democratic base, though. It would have been nice of Vance to further elaborate that minorities are becoming more Republican as economic disaster impoverishes them, but baby steps.

motorrad said...

White (Non-Hispanic): 82.4% (Appalachia, VA)
Two+ (Non-Hispanic): 10.3%
Black or African American (Non-Hispanic): 4.8%
Hispanic: 7.6% (Southern Appalachia), 2.08% (Appalachia, VA)
Other: 3.1% (Total Appalachia)

Doesn't look incredibly diverse to me.

Darkisland said...

I call racism on Becca Rothfeld. His name is Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò Not just 1, but 5 accent marks. To omit them is to deny him his proud black Nigerian heritage. (Can we say he is a prince of a fellow?)

John Henry

Aggie said...

All those people following the populist ideas, it may a first look like a Big Tent, but that group is really much smaller than you think. It's made up of lots of narrow interests, insular little niches. Quite horrible, really. Unenlightened, unintelligent, unsalvageable, deplorable. Why not ride the wave, comrade?

Darkisland said...

Táíwò is the son of apparently successful immigrant parents. Mother is a pharmacologist, father is an engineer. Family was well enough off that the father could stay home and mind the kids. (Good for him!)

But of course Táíwò is all in on reparations.

I wonder if anyone can help me understand what this means. I tried putting into Deep-L but it was unable to translate it to English

His theoretical work is heavily influenced by the Black radical tradition, contemporary philosophy of language, materialist thought, social science, German transcendental philosophy, activist histories, and activist thinkers. His most recent book Elite Capture examines how elites have appropriated radical critiques of racial capitalism to further their own agendas.

I think what it means is that this is academic bullshit and can be safely ignored unless you are an intellectual. In which case you must adopt its deep profundity.

John Henry

Tarrou said...

It's (D)ifferent when they do it.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Any stick to beat him with.

I am not that opposed to this argument, BTW, only to its embrace by WaPo for smirking reasons of their own. They aren't going to run any complaints about representatives of the Black Bourgeoisie like the Obamas, or Harris and sneer at them being unrepresentative.

n.n said...

The liberal conception of Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry) is born in the progressive doctrine of aborting the baby, cannibalizing her profitable parts, sequestering her carbon, and having her, too.

That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one. #BabyLivesMatter

JK Brown said...

It think we shall see a lot of the "systemic" bias against working people as they try to smear Vance. Yet, Vance may be able to rub elbows with Yalie, he is not a man of bourgeois origin


This business of petty inconvenience and indignity, of being kept waiting about, of having to do everything at other people's convenience, is inherent in working-class life. A thousand influences constantly press a working man down into passive role. He does not act, he is acted upon. He feels himself the slave of mysterious authority and has a firm conviction that " they " will never allow him to do this, that and the other. Once when I was hop-picking I asked the sweated pickers (they earn something under sixpence an hour) why they did not form a union. I was told immediately that " they " would never allow it. Who were "they"? I asked. Nobody seemed to know; but evidently "they" were omnipotent.

A person of bourgeois origin goes through life with some expectation of getting what he wants, within reasonable limits. Hence the fact that in times of stress "educated " people tend to come to the front; they are no more gifted than the others and their "education" is generally quite useless in itself, but they are accustomed to a certain amount of deference and consequently have the cheek necessary to a commander.

--George Orwell, 'Road to Wigan Pier'

Richard Dolan said...

“The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics.”

So, it’s one step forward, two steps back (or maybe to the side). The attack on Vance doesn’t matter. No one who isn’t already a committed Dem will pay it any mind. The attack on identity politics coming in WaPo and presumably from left field is the opposite.

Achilles said...

""There can be no single emissary for the more than 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide...""

Of course not. The working class must accept their banishment from the political realm.

The Democrats will represent globalist oligarchs, the technocrat/bureaucrat class, and the welfare class.

The Republicans will represent the Chamber of commerce, war profiteers, and laptop class republicans.

That is what we had since WW2. Fuck those working class Americans. If anyone actually tries to represent those Deplorable Empty Vessels they should be killed.

Sebastian said...

"The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?"

Maybe a consistent attack coming from the far left, for whom ip is not left enough. But otherwise such attacks are bound to be selective: some identities and some some marignalized groups are more equal and deserving than others.

n.n said...

racial capitalism to further their own agendas.

Capitalism is a conservative economic system based on the novel premise of retained productivity (e.g. earned income). So, racial capitalism must refer to Diversity and similar models of color and class equity realized through affirmative discrimination.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?

Only two days away from the big NYT and WaPo exposes about how Trump and the GOP invented identity politics!!!

Iman said...

It’s the WaPoo, so take it with a grain of salt.

n.n said...

People may not share common circumstances, but we undoubtedly share a common religion (i.e. behavioral protocol or model) to guide our development. So, it's our choice, and hope it's not wicked.

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n.n said...

Diversity - with a capital 'D' - politics is part and parcel of democratic systems... unless you temper it with a Constitution that rejects its concepts and mitigates its progress.

narciso said...

the Bezos bag a donuts,

robother said...

"It's different when WE do it." Kamala Harris is going to be the First Black Woman President. Understand? Of course, you don't, you deplorable white privileged mysogynist.

Drago said...

Shorter WaPo: Please Deplorables!! Don't listen to Vance! He may have come from where you come from but he doesn't represent you!!

It's really quite pathetic, isn't it? Like reading LLR-democratical Rich as he puts everyone to sleep with his tired and ineffectual leftist drivel.

n.n said...

The question is not black and white, but rather: who wants an onyx and albino cookie?

Quaestor said...

"The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?"

The left reserves to itself the exclusive right to exploit any point of view, interpretation of history, science, art, psychology, or cultural tendency. Any loss of that exclusivity automatically invalidates the tendency.

rhhardin said...

Policies that aren't destructive are a plus, if you can't do feelings mimicking for the 80 million.

n.n said...

Just administer the lithium and stop publishing bids on a green audience.

chuck said...

Attack from expected quarter noted, no more need be said.

Big Mike said...

This is one problem with identity politics, with its mania for Selecting envoys

There, I fixed it for Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò. There’s a reason why sleazy lawyer Al Sharpton is a spokesperson for black people, but not Tim Scott or Byron Donalds.

n.n said...

Liberalism is a philosophy of [progressive] divergence. Vance has, pethaps, embraced his classical liberal. Principles matter.

M said...

So what I take from this is I shouldn’t not vote for Kamala because she is 1/10 black. Right? Honestly I didn’t like Vance because his book seemed a sellout of making fun of his own family for urbanites to get superiority warm fuzzies over.

The more they attack him the more I have to resist actually taking his side.

planetgeo said...

The intensity of the Dem attacks on Vance is very telling. They fear him. And rightly so. He's a real threat to their claim of representing the working class, which they have pretty much abandoned. And I'm not just talking about the poor white working class.

I have a fair amount of interaction with working class Latinos and Blacks, and both Vance's life story and his plain speaking manner hits a chord with them. They get what it took for him to emerge and succeed from his origins. And here's the really scary part for the Dems. They admire him for sticking with and keep trying to help the Mom who mistreated and abandoned him. And in language that Mamaw would appreciate, they laugh about what the AWFLs can do with their anti-female claims against him. Actions speak louder than campaign words.

n.n said...

I stand with the Zulu in their tribal conflict with Mandela's Xhosa. Blackety black, but not onyx... a low grade Diversity, which should surely not be lost to a black hole... whore h/t NAACP.

Big Mike said...

.. and there is no guarantee that he has the interests of his less fortunate peers at heart.

I don’t know what Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò is looking for in the way of a guarantee, but West Palestine provided those who are willing to look with an ample number of indicators. But first one has to be willing to look.

n.n said...

Diversity Politics (DP)

Bob Boyd said...

They seem to be very afraid of Vance.

Kirk Parker said...

JK Brown,

Thanks for the quote! It's not only apropos but also a reminder of what a brilliant work Road to Wigan Pier is.

Gunner said...

People keep saying that Trump goofed by picking Vance, but which other VP candidate has a better shot at pulling in White, Midwestern Biden 2020 voters? Haley? Tim Scott? I don't think so.

Drago said...

Bob Boyd: "They seem to be very afraid of Vance."

And Trump.

And Christians, evangelicals and Latin Mass attendees in particular.

And parents that wish to maintain parental authority over their children.

And former military members in general.

And anyone that has ever "liked" or re-X'd a Trump posting.

...the list does go on....

n.n said...

It's irreconcilable! I think it means what they hope it doesn't mean.

rehajm said...

WTF? Who is the propaganda supposed to be influencing at this point? I guess they do it since there’s still so much money sloshing around…

David53 said...

How many people voted for Trump because Pence was the VP candidate?

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

rehajm said...

WTF? Who is the propaganda supposed to be influencing at this point?

It's aimed at their own side. They're worried that a lot of their voting base will stay home in November. Also, as Althouse would say, it gets them back to their happy place.

Concepts of a Plan said...

Trump’s choice of running mate was all about overconfidence. After the Biden debate/débâcle and the assassination attempt they thought it was locked up and so Trump could pick the clearly worst choice certainly for electability and in my honest opinion for policy because he was the best bootlicker.

Vance has gone from Protestant to Atheist to Catholic, from hating his cultural upbringing to embracing it, to hating Trump to embracing him. He’s got no actual values it seems just blunt ambition.

Given his ability to flip to whatever views seem likely to benefit him most, perhaps he’ll end up throwing his hat in the ring as Kamala ‘s VP once he starts seeing the polls turn…

The Harris team is well-advised to point this out to the electorate.

pacwest said...

2024: Nothing is worse than an uppity poor white person.
1940: Nothing is worse than an uppity poor black person.

It's all gobbledygook from here to Nov.

William said...

As I understand it, the early Bolsheviks defined the proletariat as those members of the working class who agreed with the Bolsheviks. Those other members of the working class who disagreed with them were either lumpenproles or petite bourgies. They weren't part of the historical imperative and their opinions were as irrelevant as those of the clergy and aristocrats.....Apparently being a straight, white male gives one enormous advantages in this society. No matter how fucked up your childhood, you're expected to join the middle class and be a productive citizen. If you achieve that status or even go a few notches higher, well, that's what you're expected to do. It's just another example of how privilege works. If on the other hand, you end up even more fucked up than your parents, it's because of a moral failure on your part and the essential decadence of white society......On the other hand, someone from a non-white background--not matter how cosseted--is said to have climbed mountains and suffered travails of the damned if they attain any success in life.....Thus we see how Kamala Harris, despite a relatively privileged background, gets to despise someone like Vance. Her contempt is centered not on his lowly origins. No, he's a member of the oppressor class. Her complaints against Vance are the anguished and righteous cries of the wretched of the earth.

n.n said...

Diversocracy.

Earnest Prole said...

The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?

Sure.

A primary strategic goal of Black Lives Matter and the 1619 Project is for American whites to abandon MLK's vision and re-identify as racial essentialists.

narciso said...

remember how they blocked miguel estrada, from an appeals court that would have been a stepping stone, to the Supreme Court, so a few years later they could put their mediocrity
sotomayor up before the Court,

n.n said...

remember how they blocked miguel estrada, from an appeals court that would have been a stepping stone, to the Supreme Court

Google is transitioning to threads without thumbs. So, here's thumbs up.

narciso said...

likewise I don't have to remind people how they treated a certain candidate 16 years ago, the excuse then was she wasn't credentialed, that cannot be said about jd today,

RMc said...

Vance is Hitler Jr, and don't you forget it, you deplorable racists!

jae said...

Only Democrats are permitted to engage in identity politics. They are the ultimate arbiters of truth, beauty, science and all things QWERTY+

Deep State Reformer said...

The "philosopher Olufemi O. Taiwo" can shut his pie hole. Whatever one might think of Vance he's an up from nothing self-made sort compared to that SF suck dog Kamela who had everything she ever got handed to her on a silver platter by reason of her f****** Willie Brown. Care to address that distinction Mr Academic Philosopher™ ?

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n.n said...

If not a Diversocracy, then perhaps we can try a democracy where there is a diversity of individuals, minority of one, with a divestment from established government, and a separation of corporation and State.

EdwdLny said...

The wapo ? Really ? It isn't fit to line a bird cage, neither are any of the turd creatures who write for it. No democrat, no democrat administration, no democrat congressman nor senator has given two shits about middle or poverty class Americans in decades, multiple decades. The democrat party has been in the thrall of greed and stalinism since at least the clintons. They know nothing of these people beyond trolling them for votes at election time. J.D.Vance came from there, he remembers and was able to escape from it and better himself. He is part of a very small club and is at least honest about it, how many of democrat political class can say that.

Mary Beth said...

Is he trying to be an envoy of people from Appalachia? I think he understands what it is like to be from an area that has gotten left behind because whatever industry supported the town before has moved out (probably overseas). It's not a hillbilly-specific thing.

He has the kind of background that Clinton tried to pretend to have.

He's a relatively bland cipher who probably shouldn't have written about suspecting he was gay to his mamaw.
12:51 PM


He was a child, not yet interested in girls, and was told that a homosexual was someone who didn't like girls. He's lucky he was a child during a different time with the grandmother he had. How many parents now are looking to put their kids on puberty blockers over a similar misunderstanding?

DAN said...

Almost anybody who had a bestselling book told liberals what they wanted to hear.

n.n said...

QWERTY+

I'm a long time fan of QWERTY+trackball, and touchy, feely when Andrea is in the mood.

Maynard said...

After reading "Hillbilly Elegy" I was very impressed with JD Vance. This was before Trump chose him as his running mate but after many Althouse readers predicted him to be that choice.

Vance presented himself as a guy who survived and thrived despite adverse circumstances. Given my background, I really identified with that identity.

While I will enthusiastically vote for the Trump/Vance ticket, I have some concerns that Vance will turn out to be an opportunist who is not quite what he presents himself to be. I worry that he will be a RINO.

n.n said...

probably shouldn't have written about suspecting he was gay to his mamaw

Some letters are written in a gay mood, while others were written in somber reflection. His grandma has probably read both discourses on his life in her life. Life is like a roller coaster, full of gay and somber moments. h/t Forrest Gump

Narr said...

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I speak for everyone.

YoungHegelian said...

This problem with "envoys" for a social group putting their own interests before the group they supposedly server goes back a long way on the Left. For example, in the history of Marxism, when it looked like the proletariat were moving too slow, there emerged folks who wanted to speed things up, the state of consciousness among the proletariat be damned. Such ideologues called themselves "The Vanguard of the Proletariat" (e.g. the Bolsheviks in Russia) and their more orthodox Marxist opponents insultingly called them Blanquists.

There is nothing harder for the activist mindset to tolerate than to just let things be.

rhhardin said...

An emissary represents emissaries, is the way it works out.

Political Junkie said...

I am not white working class, but many of my values align with the white working class.

Mutaman said...

The Rapist vetted Vance with the same competence he does everything else.

narciso said...

the bizarre twister like contortions that they put themselves through, is that covered by insurance,

The Godfather said...

"Identity politics" normally means "I'm a member of YOUR GROUP, and if I'm elected I will use my government position to promote the interests of YOUR GROUP, so YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR ME." I read Hillbilly Elegy very carefully, and I saw nothing of that. In fact, the book had a lot of tough love for the bottom layer of the white working class -- the Hillbillies in the book's title.

On the other side of the partisan divide I see Kamala Harris, who wants Black voters to identify her as Black (but please forget about the Asian part of her genes), and wants Women voters to identify her as a Woman. I guess that means that I, a white male, am free to vote for another candidate, right?

Michael K said...

The bitterness about Vance (see "Mutaman" above)is kind of interesting. I had some reservations about Vance at first but he sure has the right enemies.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“People keep saying that Trump goofed by picking Vance, but which other VP candidate has a better shot at pulling in White, Midwestern Biden 2020 voters? Haley? “

The Vance pick isn’t about garnering the vote of a geographically-specific demographic. He’s a marker for the future. Essentially, Trump’s promise that MAGA doesn’t die with Trump. It’s an interesting, and surprisingly subtle, campaign ploy. Only November will tell if it worked.

Former Illinois resident said...

Harris is more accurately an Indian-Irish-Jamaican-American of Hindu faith, than an African-American. Her father descended from a Hindu house-servant and a White Irish planter, and is fairer-skinned than was her mother. Harris was raised as a practicing Hindu, her wedding contained elements of Hindu and Jewish wedding traditions, no African-America traditions nor Christian-faith service-elements. Her identify-politics are a fraud, much like Elizabeth Warren presenting herself as "first Native-American Harvard Law School professor, and the demonstrated false narratives of both women has caused them zero career or political aspirational harm.

Only in America can a fake black woman and a fake feather-Indian woman be blessed by liberals, while a successful white man who acknowledges his working-class food lower-middle class Scots-Irish Appalachian routes is castigated as "fake" because he managed to attend Yale Law School.

And I recall Democrats didn't challenge Clinton's "Man from Hope" bootstrapped self-made-man narrative, though they did chuckle at him for his brash manners.

Clyde said...

Here's his bio from his website. Make of it what you will:

Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò is Associate Professor of Philosophy at Georgetown University. He received his Ph.D. in philosophy at the University of California Los Angeles. He has published in academic journals ranging from Public Affairs Quarterly, One Earth, Philosophical Papers, and the American Philosophical Association newsletter Philosophy and the Black Experience.

Táíwò’s theoretical work draws liberally from the Black radical tradition, anti-colonial thought, German transcendental philosophy, contemporary philosophy of language, contemporary social science, and histories of activism and activist thinkers.

His public philosophy, including articles exploring intersections of climate justice and colonialism, has been featured in The New Yorker, The Nation, Boston Review, Dissent, The Appeal, Slate, Al Jazeera, The New Republic, Aeon, and Foreign Policy.

He is the author of Elite Capture and Reconsidering Reparations.

Clyde said...
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Clyde said...

Some would say that Lenin, Marx and Engels were "philosophers" as well.

Limited blogger said...

Looks like Vance is off to a roaring start!

The rule of Lemnity said...

The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?

JD is stealing their moves. Haw haw - Nelson Muntz

Deep State Reformer said...

No wonder our professor came across him. Strikes me as DEI baby. No one bothers with that subject but the goofs that take his classes.

Skeptical Voter said...

Ah Becca Rothfeld. A certified expert on the white working class? A prime example of someone writing about something they know nothing about.

Ms Rothfeld is no doubt smart--she's got a bachelors degree summa cum laude from Dartmouth.
She's got a Masters degree in Philosophy from Cambridge--and she started, but hasn't finished a PhD from Harvard. Again in philosophy--but there's that pesky ABD asterisk there. She's not finished nor defended her dissertation and so we can't call her "Doctor Becca". Somehow I doubt that Becca's family struggled to get her into Dartmouth.

Her bio says she did develop and abiding distaste for fraternities at Dartmouth. That's sort of a plus sign for "elites" on the East Coast--unless they are talking about Skull & Bones.

Iman said...

That’s a great take from Crack @5:17pm.

MadTownGuy said...

"There can be no single emissary for the more than 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide..."

Simultaneously trying to unite the POC tribalists while driving a wedge into the Great White Horde.

There's a PSA from the Ad Council that is supposedly about stopping hate against Asians. It's actually an appeal to LGBTQ Asians to unite with other non-white minorities for political action.

Josephbleau said...

You have to vote for a black vagina, but you can’t vote for a hillbilly dick.

Mason G said...

"There can be no single emissary for the more than 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide (not all of whom have ties to Appalachia, itself a wildly heterogenous region)."

I don't know about you, but when I want to learn about the 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide, the first place I look for insights is the WaPo.

I notice "White" is capitalized in the article, credit where credit is due.

narciso said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVspeqNnoWM

narciso said...

what did michael isikoff said back in 1993, before he got the lewinsky scoop,

'poor ignorant and easy to control' this was back when the Post was under graham management

effinayright said...

Mutaman said...
The Rapist vetted Vance with the same competence he does everything else.
*****************

Let's see how much competence the married Willie Brown's "side girl" puts into her choice for VP.

Scott Patton said...

"there is no guarantee that he has the interests of his less fortunate peers at heart."
Euphemistic bullshit. Less intelligent, less successful, less ambitious, less ruthless, whatever, but less fortunate means nothing.

Tina Trent said...

What absurd ignorance. Illegal immigration, coupled with offshoring jobs, excessive work visas that lead to chain immigration of the amazingly wealthy people who have raped their home countries and enslaved their lower Castes -- all of whom pay brown and yellow identity oppression games here while importing their body servants to contiue washing their asses, is destroying not just our working but our aspirational middle class. And our values. I know these people. I was in academia.

I don't care who the hell says it, as long as someone says at least part of it. Vance is compromised, but he can at least start moving the ball, if he has one. If that's the best I can do in November, it's better than the alternative.

Craig Mc said...

Now do Al Sharpton.

Michael K said...

That "Philosophy professor" sounds as phony as "Ibrahim X Kendi" formerly by his real name. Both show how privileged blacks are getting all the goodies. How many of those DEI winners are from prosperous families? The other thing is how well African immigrants do. Not at all the American blacks'story. Most of my black medical students were not American born.

roger said...

"It's not only apropos but also a reminder of what a brilliant work Road to Wigan Pier is."

Indeed. The first half which is a sociological treatise is as well done as I have read. This idea that an toxic environmental condition under which the poor work in order to keep body and soul together will degrade the following generations permanently and therefore omit them from tangible success within a wave of economic improvement is well narrated.

Candide said...

If memory serves, not long ago there was another young politician who rode all the way to the White House in large part on the fame of his memoirs. Who was Obama representative of? Absolutely nobody except himself, so unique was his upbringing and life story. At least Vance actually grew up among people he wrote about and shared their life struggles.

Incidentally, it's been a good long while since I saw Obama memoirs on display anywhere. Michelle books are front and center in bookstores and libraries nowadays, but Barack oeuvre is invisible.

Lance said...

"Appalachia, itself a wildly heterogenous region"

Has that author visited Appalachia? Charleston and Asheville don't count.

Lincolntf said...

Got my copy of "Hillbilly Elegy" today. It will be my beach-read next week at Cape Cod. I expect (know) that some of the regulars at our beach will look askance at me, but I'm used to it. I read "Fountainhead" on the beach one summer and two old biddies basically scolded me. So I've got that to look forward to.

Achilles said...

Earnest Prole said...

The attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?

Sure.

A primary strategic goal of Black Lives Matter and the 1619 Project is for American whites to abandon MLK's vision and re-identify as racial essentialists.

+1.

And does anyone really doubt that the Deep State killed MLK at this point?

MountainMan said...

@Lincolntf: You might want to consider the audiobook on Audible from Amazon. It has the advantage that JD himself is the narrator, which I think adds a lot to the story. My wife and I listened to most of it on the way to and from our TN home this past week and thoroughly enjoyed it. I even liked it just as well, if not better, than the movie.

Ambrose said...

No one can speak for such a large and diverse group - just ask Democrat Andy Beshear, he speaks for them all.

Achilles said...

Rich said...

Trump’s choice of running mate was all about overconfidence. After the Biden debate/débâcle and the assassination attempt they thought it was locked up and so Trump could pick the clearly worst choice certainly for electability and in my honest opinion for policy because he was the best bootlicker.

Vance has gone from Protestant to Atheist to Catholic, from hating his cultural upbringing to embracing it, to hating Trump to embracing him. He’s got no actual values it seems just blunt ambition.

Given his ability to flip to whatever views seem likely to benefit him most, perhaps he’ll end up throwing his hat in the ring as Kamala ‘s VP once he starts seeing the polls turn…

The Harris team is well-advised to point this out to the electorate.


Rich is too stupid to understand what Vance is saying his goals are and he certainly can't actually form a counterargument.

So Rich creates a straw man and tears it apart with gusto.

Vance can make all of your arguments Rich. He knows them and has been there.

You can't do the same. You are the stupid one Rich, not Vance.

Kevin said...

In other news, Kamala Harris represents all black people.

MountainMan said...

This interesting article is a good overview of the reasoning behind the Vance pick and how it could affect a second Trump term.

Achilles said...

Trump gave a headline speech at the Bitcoin Conference.

This would not have happened without a Degen like Vance talking to him.

I am still worried about the Disney Lawyer wife. But this kind of move gives me hope.

Rusty said...

Mutaman said...
"The Rapist vetted Vance with the same competence he does everything else."

You need to join Freder in the Group W dumbass bench.

MountainMan said...

"Vance has gone from Protestant to Atheist to Catholic, from hating his cultural upbringing to embracing it,...He’s got no actual values it seems just blunt ambition."

Spoken by someone who apparently knows nothing about him. Watch the movie, read his book, or better yet, listen to him read his own story, as I mentioned above. Though we are not quite finished with it yet, I was very moved by how his experience in the Marine Corps and his time in Iraq changed him, as well as getting out of Middletown and seeing how others lived and learning that not every family and community in America was as f***ed up as his was. Then Iraq showing him how much worse it could be. The Marines changing his life in positive ways that he could never have imagined.

To repeat a cliche (often attributed to Keynes), "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

Jamie said...

""There can be no single emissary for the more than 80 million people who make up 'the White working class' nationwide...""

and also

Vance...[stuff about his education and career]... is hardly a typical hillbilly...

Care to try that again?

Drago said...

Achilles: "Trump gave a headline speech at the Bitcoin Conference."

An absolutely outstanding speech in terms of policy and delivery, as the crowd reaction indicated. A crowd that would normally be termed pro-Trump at all...until this election.

Highly recommended viewing.

Drago said...

Achilles: "Trump gave a headline speech at the Bitcoin Conference."

An absolutely outstanding speech in terms of policy and delivery, as the crowd reaction indicated. A crowd that would normally not be termed pro-Trump at all...until this election.

Highly recommended viewing.

Drago said...

Achilles: "Trump gave a headline speech at the Bitcoin Conference."

An absolutely outstanding speech in terms of policy and delivery, as the crowd reaction indicated. A crowd that would normally not be termed pro-Trump at all...until this election.

Highly recommended viewing.

imTay said...

The working class is a lot easier to exploit when they are denied leaders.

imTay said...

The article is one long confession that Democrats only pretended to represent the interests of the working class.

gadfly said...

So how many real hillbillies have read "Hillbilly Eligy" written by a flat country suburbanite? As a real hillbilly, the family called my grandmother "Mom Hill" and my grandfather was called "Soap" by everyone. Soap raised game chickens. We ate the hens at Sunday dinners and Soap took the roosters to engage in cock fights about once a month.

The answer to the question: " the attack on Vance as an attack on identity politics?" is irrelevant because it doesn't matter. Here we have the low-information seagull voters who have yet to pay the slightest bit of attention to real issues swoop to decide the election based on something that they think they read somewhere. If a seagull has ever stolen some slightly unappetizing carnival food out of your hands after standing in line for an hour, you'll have a general idea of how this feels.

The Seagulls Descend @thereframe.com is an interesting read but no one on this blog will read it.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Interesting mix of comments. Overall it seems clear that Vance is difficult for the leftist character assassins to pin down and almost impossible to otherize because he is so good at doing interviews and using them to define his views. To me Trump appears to have weighed the risk someone so young might “grow in office” (IYKWIMAITYD) against picking someone who could authentically take up the MAGA cause in succeeding him.

The “reverand” Al Sharpton is not a lawyer, just sleazy.

rastajenk said...

I don't think "flat country suburbanite" describes my town and its inhabitants. The connection of Middletown to eastern Kentucky is very real, and accurately depicted in Vance's book.

I know, because I am a lifelong Middletonian.

wendybar said...

Kamala isn't a typical American. Neither was Obama. Everybody can play the identity game.

Jamie said...

gadfly's inactive link is incorrect - it's the-reframe.com.

As one might expect, the essay therein sounds a lot like gadfly. (I thought it might be gadfly at first, but it seemed unlikely that gadfly would mess up a link to his/her own blog.) It's quite a bit too long, but that's because the writer, someone named Moxon, couldn't pass up any opportunity to use the buzzwords s/he claims are facts about Trump: proud, open, and brutal fascist, rapist, profligate liar, dictator, authoritarian. And about Trump supporters and - forgive the term, it's mine and not this Moxon person's - fellow travelers who aren't especially fond of Trump but who support some or most of what he says he wants to do, especially mass deportations that will visit terror, hardship, and death on "millions of our friends and neighbors."

I'm trying to recreate the theme faithfully but I already closed the window and, well, it's Sunday morning and I'd rather be drinking coffee than reviewing what the writer presents as a measured "witness" to reality rather than the screed that it is.

The message is that when one side is self-evidently evil and the other is just... banal, the efforts of the media to show "neutrality" by not putting a thumb on the scale on the side of the boring but generally harmless side are immoral. The media, says the author, as well as all other people who choose not to remain low-information, must not allow themselves to fall into presenting false equivalencies, the friend of fascism, as simplistic narratives - Trump the Uniter (I don't know where this Moxon is getting news but I have to say the statement that this was THE media narrative post-convention took me by surprise), Biden the Old.

Instead, everyone ought to bear witness to truth, even complicated truth (the only part of the writer's proposition on which I think we can all agree... but wait:), instead of narratives that present Actual Fascism as equivalent to well-meaning but rather sappy Democrat democracy, however captured by capitalistic greed and so forth it may have become.

So, nothing new: it's the duty of the media to stump for Democrats because they are the good guys, even if they're largely feckless and milquetoast. Republicans are out for literal blood and, if Trump wins, will gleefully dance on the prostrate bodies of their neighbors, and if he loses, will attack the law-abiding who oppose their seizing power in their ravening hordes with the willing assistance of an entirely corrupt Supreme Court. I mean, this writer seems to see him/herself as above the fray and - though not cruelly neutral since the writer sees that position as immoral - a clear-eyed arbiter, but I'm not exaggerating the rhetoric.

So I guess the point is, folks, are we Republicans the baddies? 🙄