Writes Sean Davis in The Federalist.
Very strong words. Read the whole thing. Excerpt:
They deliberately starved Trump’s security team of the resources it needed. And they did it repeatedly, over many weeks and months. With Trump’s security detail understaffed, under-resourced, and stretched to its limits, Biden’s security regime reportedly diverted even more resources to a hastily planned Jill Biden event that just happened to be in the area.Biden’s security regime then ordered the most obvious assassination perch in the entire area to remain outside the main security perimeter. Furthermore, Biden’s Secret Service director ordered law enforcement and counter-snipers OFF the roof the assassin used....
And even as snipers on the roof near Trump saw a gunman on the other roof, Biden’s security regime refused to have agents immediately surround Trump or remove him from the stage to protect him from being shot.
Given the lies and nonsense from both Biden’s Department of Homeland Security secretary and his Secret Service director, it’s increasingly difficult to believe this was just a series of independent mistakes (Secret Service director Kim Cheatle at one point this week claimed snipers couldn’t be on the roof because it was sloped and they might fall and hurt themselves). In contrast, when you look at the entire picture, what you see better resembles a deliberate plan to make Trump vulnerable but to appear at first glance to be just a couple of innocent mistakes....
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324 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»None of this has been disputed either.
We have been piecing all of this together on X.
At first glance every trained person in the world said one thing: Bullshit.
I really wouldn't be surprised after everything the Progressives have thrown at him, and done to his supporters. They have nothing else to stop him. This was their last "shot"
Well yes, you don't have to be a Federalist writer to know that. I'd love to know what the two snipers were actually looking at for half an hour instead of the assassin in front of them!!
Achilles: "At first glance every trained person in the world said one thing: Bullshit."
That's what struck me as well. Every single experienced sniper, counter-sniper, special forces, ex-SS etc type from multiple nations and protection services/teams that commented for the first 48 hours that I read, all were remarkably unanimous that they weren't buying this scenario at all.
Good Lord. I do not want any of this to be the case. I'd far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence.
FOIA all the comms. And who is actually running this independent review, do we know? I nominate Ric Grenell.
Jamie: "Good Lord. I do not want any of this to be the case. I'd far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence."
Unfortunately, and this is why a "conspiracy" mindset would be impossible to avoid, as so many of these actual experts suggested, is that the creation of a plot covered in "incompetence" was always the go-to approach for deniability.
Gee, it was just this mistake, followed by this mistake, then this one, and this one....and on and on and on. Delivering a situation where it would be impossible to disentangle "incompetence" from potential malevolence.
And all of it triggered on a day just before the republican convention...where Trump had not yet announced his VP pick....so it something were to happen to Trump there would have been no specific designated Trump VP selectee to pick up the mantle...conveniently, timing wise, throwing the convention back to the control of the GOPe-ers and a potential return to the sort of candidates that a certain set of DC insiders would prefer.
General incompetence as cover for targeted malice? A neat summation of the Biden Administration. Bullseye!
History doesn't repeat but it rhymes. Praetorian Guard. The late days of Rome.
Still, this event will be remembered as Trump "dodging a bullet" with a flag behind him and his fist in the air. Major MAGA symbolism. Iconic political symbolism for the next 5,000 years. Great Man Theory. Etc. Etc. Etc.
The USA's Praetorian Guard is staffed by DEI Keystone Kops.
It's just a continuation of extra-ballot campaigning.
I'm not falling for anymore crazy Trump conspiracy theories.
I almost bought into the last one where the FBI was illegally wiretapping Trump associates during the campaign. And they even said the FBI lied to the court and forged documents to get the FISA warrants. They're just crazy.
The shooter appears to have had zero social media footprint. If it turns out it that's because it was scrubbed (and there was plenty of time to scrub before his identity was publicly released) then I'll believe it was a deliberate plot to allow the shooting to happen.
There's a middle ground between incompetence and an actual conspiracy, which this seems to fit. The Biden administration did not make the protection of Trump a priority. They sent the B team, which was clearly not up to the task, and somehow had the idea that they couldn't preemptively neutralize a guy with a rifle on a roof.
"I'd far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence."
It's hard to imagine so much incompetence aligned so perfectly that events unfolded the way they did. If that's truly how it came about, I'd say Mr. Crooks should probably go buy a Powerball ticket, but...
IIRC, the roof the SS snipers were on, behind Trump, looked like it had a much greater slope.
And did I read correctly that they secured the "shooter's building" by being inside it? What does that do?
Bill, Republic of Texas: "I'm not falling for anymore crazy Trump conspiracy theories.
I almost bought into the last one where the FBI was illegally wiretapping Trump associates during the campaign. And they even said the FBI lied to the court and forged documents to get the FISA warrants. They're just crazy."
This is where these deep staters have driven us. No matter what happens now, and we know where this "investigation" is going and the republicans in the House and Senate aren't going to really "investigate" anything either, we are never going to get any answers. Phones and location data will be "accidentally deleted" and evidence "lost" (Mueller "investigation", Jan 6 committee "investigation", IRS targeting of Tea Party members (remember that one?), Hillary's bleach bit exercise, Epstein's files, etc).
There's an old line that aviation and naval accidents are a combination of a myriad of factors that coalesce to create a disaster. These can usually be counted on the fingers of both hands.
This is not such a case. The number of things that had to go wrong here would require your toes and the digits of several others.
That does not "just happen". I know, we all know, that Complex Systems Are Not Surviving The Competency Crisis, but what just occurred would have A) resulted in multiple and immediate firings across the board and B) and immediate organizational restructuring at the highest level not even 15 fucking years ago.
It's bad. Very bad. Criminally negligent.
I agree that there’s an absolutely baffling level of fuck-up going on here, but I just don’t see how the dems could believe they would benefit from Trump actually being killed. He’d be a complete martyr, and any Republican replacement would likely sail into office purely on sympathy and legacy. It doesn’t make sense as a plot.
Barring extraordinary evidence to the contrary, this is a never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence issue, and we should embrace that argument, not go down these crazy rabbit holes.
Blogger James K said..."There's a middle ground between incompetence and an actual conspiracy, which this seems to fit. The Biden administration did not make the protection of Trump a priority. They sent the B team, which was clearly not up to the task, …"
That's where I'm at. I don't want to believe the full-blown conspiracy theory.
But I don't have a problem with believing the laxity was deliberate. Factor in their refusal to protect their other opponent, RFK, and it paints an ugly picture.
phantommut: "The shooter appears to have had zero social media footprint. If it turns out it that's because it was scrubbed (and there was plenty of time to scrub before his identity was publicly released) then I'll believe it was a deliberate plot to allow the shooting to happen."
Will we ever be allowed to "know" such a thing? I'm thinking no.
Sadly, not a surprise that this was done. What is a surprise is that it’s coming out.
I understand an inquiry is being launched by the Biden Administration. To allay fears of a coverup a Republican will oversee the process. Luckily, Liz Chaney is available.
The moment I found out Cheatle is close to and a 'pick' from Jill Biden, it makes a lot of sense.
>>And did I read correctly that they secured the "shooter's building" by being inside it? What does that do?
It keeps the officers inside. In the air conditioning. In July.
A few years ago I would have dismissed all of this as tinfoil hat nonsense...
Now, it seems possible.
Which is a terrifying thought.
Lyssa: "I agree that there’s an absolutely baffling level of fuck-up going on here, but I just don’t see how the dems could believe they would benefit from Trump actually being killed. He’d be a complete martyr, and any Republican replacement would likely sail into office purely on sympathy and legacy. It doesn’t make sense as a plot."
It would have yielded a republican replacement along the lines of a Rubio or a Haley. A perfect outcome for certain parties. It would not have been JD nor would it be Vivek.
I don't think that they did it to allow an assassination attempt, I think that they're just petty and incompetent. They didn't want to give Trump sufficient protection because they don't like him and liked telling him 'no'. So, when they needed additional agents because his regular detail was overworked, they pulled local folks at the last minute.
Incompetence with a diversity hire? Who would have thought. Kimberly Cheatle said there were no agents on the shooter's roof because "we don't put people on sloped roofs. It's dangerous". Ignorance can be cured but really deep stupidity is forever. In fact when you look at the building there wasn't much of a slope to the roof at all. The snipers who took the shooter out were on a much more steeply pitched roof.
"And they even said the FBI lied to the court and forged documents to get the FISA warrants. "
You've never heard of Kevin Clinesmith?
Oops. Wait a minute. I think the last crazy Trump conspiracy was Covid-19 was created in a lab an accidently released. You know that was wrong because they over-reached and tried to claim the US gov't funded gain of function research which made the virus extremely deadly to humans. They're just psychos.
I'm actually leaning towards a government-sponsored assassination attempt. That makes me very sad.
Almost as sad as knowing that no one in the MSM will even question the official story and no one will ever be held accountable.
CBS put up a report that ‘US Intelligence’ received info of threats from Iran over Trump’s order to kill Soleimani…and I immediately assumed it was bullshit cover. I was willing to go with incompetence and diversity hires until that point…
It seems that if it was deliberately designed as a honey trap for an assassin with plausible deniability they'd have to be pretty sure an amateur assassin (and the equipment and style scream amateur; a pro would have used higher caliber gear and gone for central body mass, not the glory head shot) would take the bait.
Hence the social media scrubbing question.
Persuasive.
Trump needs his own security team.
It's just a coincidence that all those things went wrong all at the same time. Yeah that's it!
Incompetence my ass.
Charlie Eklund: "Sadly, not a surprise that this was done. What is a surprise is that it’s coming out."
Team Dem was/is out of options, and desperation had already begun to set in. All their plans to remove Trump from the process were/are failing in real time. Time is short. Desperation leads to rapid and often times incomplete planning which leads to operations that are less than optimum but can still achieve the overarching objective.
And factor in how it is that the entirety, and I mean the entirety, of the Legacy media, went immediately ALL IN on presenting what had occurred in all those bizarre, non-descriptive, anodyne ways that made it sound like Trump had only tripped. It took Times Square news feeds in the heart of NYC 30 to 60 minutes to even begin showing it!
Gee, a total media concerted effort to not report the potential assassination of the leading candidate for the Presidency.......on top of everything else.
"The shooter appears to have had zero social media footprint. If it turns out it that's because it was scrubbed (and there was plenty of time to scrub before his identity was publicly released) then I'll believe it was a deliberate plot to allow the shooting to happen."
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You would be absolutely amazed at what psychological warfare professionals can cobble together.
There's a middle ground between incompetence and an actual conspiracy, which this seems to fit
Rather than wanting someone to take Trump out, that is, wanting him dead, it is more likely that this was (once again) a failure of imagination, not thinking that it could actually happen, combined with a depraved indifference from considering Trump to be a non-person, unworthy of any respect.
Wouldn’t you people be surprised if it was discovered that the assassination attempt came from the right, far far right.
Lunatics Alex Jones and Ivan Raiklin discussing killing Trump and how it would be far better for them.
rehajm: "CBS put up a report that ‘US Intelligence’ received info of threats from Iran over Trump’s order to kill Soleimani…and I immediately assumed it was bullshit cover. I was willing to go with incompetence and diversity hires until that point…"
You know they'd prefer to have gone with Putin(!) and The Russians(!) but they've already been working that Putin-is-pro-Trump hoax for 9 years now so that was out. And the ChiComs own have the US and 90% of the politicians so you can't throw them under the bus.
[Jon Lovitz "Liar character" voice]: But the Iranians! Yeah. That's it. The Iranians. That's the ticket!
I think it unlikely that the entire Democratic Party would be aligned, much less aware, of such an effort as outline by Sean Davis.
But it is indisputable that a lone gunman apparently found his way onto the right roof at the right moment, fairly efficiently and with few barriers to his entry. And the reaction to his appearance was not handled with the vigor we would expect.
But: In the same way that a lone gunman was effective, a few people, in the right place, at the right time, could do a lot to engineer these circumstances into existence. I don't doubt that Davis could be right. The House needs to take the lead on this forcefully.
Inga: "Wouldn’t you people be surprised if it was discovered that the assassination attempt came from the right, far far right.'
Shush little russia collusion/hookers peeing on Moscow beds girl. Adults are talking here.
As previously noted, the Secret Service is now in an existential crisis. There is zero excuse for what happened and the base-case scenario is gross incompetence such that anyone in a leadership position needs to be fired for cause and replaced. We are now just negotiating whether there will be criminal charges.
If they do not clean house, the Secret Service needs to be disbanded and replaced.
Inga said...
Wouldn’t you people be surprised if it was discovered that the assassination attempt came from the right, far far right.
7/16/24, 3:54 PM
Geez, She-Wolf, the Reichstag Fire play is pretty well known. Get some new material.
Inga: "Wouldn’t you people be surprised if it was discovered that the assassination attempt came from the right, far far right.'
Shush little russia collusion/hookers peeing on Moscow beds girl. Adults are talking here.
Secret Service Director Kimmy Cheetos said..
That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,' she told ABC News in an interview Tuesday.
Have y'all SEEN that roof? it was sloped! a little! There's "a safety factor!"
Keep in mind, the US Federal Government has Only TWO CONCERNS:
1) the safety of their workers
2) the elimination of ANY threat to their democrat party leaders
in this case, it was a twofer!
Sorry, posted too fast: It is also true that the team of SS professionals, while it appears to have inappropriate diversity hires within its ranks, also has many, many seasoned professionals. How did they miss it, or how were these glaring gaps in the security perimeter allowed to pass without being rectified? I cannot (and do not) believe that the SS team would be in on something like this. Nope.
What Were Once Conspiracy Theories Are Now Facts. We live in Bizzaro world now.
The DEI explanation is more compelling.
People in charge were dumb enough to not understand the threat of bad guy with a rifle on a rooftop 400 ft away.
They were selected for their demographic, not because they knew or cared about security.
Some individuals clearly did an extraordinary job. But not the leadership, who was in charge of understanding what was necessary to protect a presidential candidate.
Original Mike said...
IIRC, the roof the SS snipers were on, behind Trump, looked like it had a much greater slope.
And did I read correctly that they secured the "shooter's building" by being inside it? What does that do?
It makes sure nobody interferes with the shooter.
It keeps the path clear so the shooter can get to the correct spot following the path they opened for him.
It makes sure no civies interfere with a kid that has a gun on his back carrying a 12' ladder over to clime up on a building while Trump is talking.
And it makes sure they can keep track of the situation after they shoot him to keep him from telling everyone who helped him out.
Hi on the sads list (cause I couldn't be sure this was the saddest of all things) is that your position on the explanations will be entirely dependent on your partisan view. That comes from the fact that the supposed respected agencies have so destroyed their air of competence through partisan scale tipping that no one can legitimately trust anything that they say at this point.
The obvious danger is that when they are actually telling the truth, they won't be believed even then.
To say that people would not be on a (very gently) sloped roof is so over-the-top (see what I did there) bullshitty, that we can now expect any future explanation just to be lie v2, v3, or whatever until they get something that people will take as plausible, which of course, no one on the right will, at this point.
The fact that the attempt was so close to success means that people screwed up big time and people should be losing jobs over it.
1. Over-taxed crew.
2. Resources taken away for another event
3. CLOSE Building roof not manned.
4. Snipers with visual who did not act
5. Clear reports that a gunman was inside the perimeter
6. Gunman seen by multiple security personnel but not engaged
7. Gunman knew where to go
8. Gunman known for 26 minutes
9. President allowed to be exposed with a known gunman
If this is the state of capability of the SS, every single one of them needs to be fired, and then they can reapply under new management. I would not have them protecting my dog at this point.
Trump should hire his own security from one of the many contractors out there.
Kennedy should ask for a voucher in lieu of SS and hire his own team. (Wouldn't THAT be a slap in the face to the SS)
And Cheatle should be building her Indeed profile. She is unfit for her job. Ultimately, the lack of resource excuse is entirely on her. If she knew, she should have made arrangements. That she allowed an insufficient force to be protecting an ex-president means she does not know her duty.
"But it is indisputable that a lone gunman apparently found his way onto the right roof at the right moment, fairly efficiently and with few barriers to his entry. "
If everything is to be believed, he was inefficiently taking his actions over 26 minutes with over half of those being under direct observations by tens if not hundreds who immediately recognized how suspicious he was. In other words, a Iraqi toddler from Tikrit with a vendetta against someone could have done a better job.
26 minutes is 25 and half minutes longer than someone with even twice the competency needs to pull off this hit at the dumpster fire of a security cordon around this event.
That's why this defies belief. Incompetence of this magnitude requires investigations and charges of criminal negligence....and let's dig so very much deeper while we're at it if we don't mind.
"If they do not clean house, the Secret Service needs to be disbanded and replaced."
This would seem to be true for more than a few federal agencies.
Good thing this guy didn't know he couldn't be on a sloped roof.
After witnessing this level of incompetence from the SS I am now somewhat convinced that a squad-sized element of properly trained, motivated, and equipped MEN could assault the White House and produce some very historical outcomes.
...in Minecraft only of course.
The shooter was seen by police in the building using a hand-held laser rangefinder (common for target shooting) before he climbed the building. He moved away, the police couldn't find him, and then he came back with ladder and rifle. At that yardage with a 3MOA (minute of angle)accuracy rifle, it's easy to calculate the holdover and windage even using iron sights.
The PedoTrumpFiles must have petered out.
It is clearly a possibility, and needs to be part of the investigation. The level of incompetence was so great, even in this era of sacrificing quality for diversity, that it is hard to accept that it was purely incompetence.
Aggie said...
Sorry, posted too fast: It is also true that the team of SS professionals, while it appears to have inappropriate diversity hires within its ranks, also has many, many seasoned professionals. How did they miss it, or how were these glaring gaps in the security perimeter allowed to pass without being rectified? I cannot (and do not) believe that the SS team would be in on something like this. Nope.
Our knowledge is not special or rare. Most of it is pure common sense and intuition.
The biggest step you have to take is to actually realize someone is trying to kill you and you are trying to kill them. You understand the weapons at hand and explore their capabilities.
The only thing most people screw up is understanding how fields of fire work. Civies tend to "surround" targets. You make an L shape instead.
Most of you would do pretty well if I took you on a walk around to design a security plan.
It really isn't that hard.
The SS had people on site that knew exactly what was going on.
There is no possibility that this was incompetence.
None.
As for the Beaver County Anti-sniper Squad who were inside the building while the shooter ("sniper" so to speak) took up his position for 26 minutes: The Beaver County district attorney issued a statement today: “We are proud of the heroic actions taken by our officers.” Such courage (literally under fire) deserves a medal: the Uvalde Yellow Badge of Self-Preservation?
RideSpaceMountain said...
After witnessing this level of incompetence from the SS I am now somewhat convinced that a squad-sized element of properly trained, motivated, and equipped MEN could assault the White House and produce some very historical outcomes.
...in Minecraft only of course.
7/16/24, 4:05 PM
Even in Minecraft I'd assume something like this was a DOJ setup if I was an operator. Besides, what good would it do? The oligarchs would just slot in another puppet.
Actually, finding people you can rely on is historically hard for any society with low national cohesion. It's why the Saudis are so tribal and the CPC has to be relentless in purging disloyalty.
Good thing this guy didn't know he wasn't supposed to be on a sloped roof.
(2nd posting; read it before it disappears)
Wa St Blogger said...
And Cheatle should be building her Indeed profile. She is unfit for her job. Ultimately, the lack of resource excuse is entirely on her. If she knew, she should have made arrangements. That she allowed an insufficient force to be protecting an ex-president means she does not know her duty.
No.
She should be looking for a defense lawyer.
Or committing ritual seppuku.
"and then he came back with ladder and rifle"
This is my favorite part (if true). It's like something out of BlackAdder in its comical idiocy. It's like Spy vs. Spy or the Road Runner tricking Wiley Coyote for the 100th time in its Warner Brothers unbelievability.
He went to get a ladder... Priceless.
"...the base-case scenario is gross incompetence such that anyone in a leadership position needs to be fired for cause..
"
... using real fire.
Jamie said...
"Good Lord. I do not want any of this to be the case. I'd far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence."
Bless you. I do too. But then I look at the lengths the deep state went through to destroy his time in office and the subsequent lawfare. This assassination attempt was the most logical next step. There is billions in graft involved and these people will go to any lengths to protect their graft.
Remember the greatest damage Trump did in his time in office was to interrupt the flow of graft through DC.
The people who are doing this are the people on Epsteins client list.
How deluded would a potential assassin have to be to even think about showing up at an event like this carrying a gun, without having any idea about what sort of security he'll encounter when he gets there?
I am not going there. This was not deliberate. It is a function of the worst administration in history, where no one is ever held accountable. Why? Because the extreme incompetence starts at the very top, namely, Joe Biden. As Obama said, never underestimate Biden's ability to f**k things up.
"There is billions in graft involved …"
Important point.
If there was a plan to assassinate Trump, why would you pick an assassin that was a terrible shot. Rejected from the school rifle team.
FYI- for what it’s worth, In 1981 I tried out for the Bethel Park High School rifle team and did not make the cut, and I am a very good shot. I believe I didn’t make the team because of politics- i.e., the track coach’s kid and other connected kids got on instead of me.
5. Clear reports that a gunman was inside the perimeter
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from NYT ...
somebody took out a nice big wedge of perimeter cake and gave it to shooter
The building from which a gunman fired at former President Trump on Saturday was — at least in hindsight — an obvious security risk. Its rooftop offered an ideal sniper’s perch, with a close, elevated and unobstructed view of Mr. Trump.
But when the Secret Service drew up plans for Saturday’s rally, it left that building outside its security perimeter
No.
She should be looking for a defense lawyer.
I can agree with that. It won't happen, because DEI and fragile sensibilities won't allow it. No one will be able to establish a smoking gun, but there is enough here to show negligence, just maybe not enough to show criminal negligence.
Serious Question:
HOW? (or WHY?) did the shooter imagine that he'd be able to go up on that roof?
HOW? could he have thought that there WOULDN'T be cops up there?
as i've said before, back in the '80's, the SS wouldn't allow me to have a smoke on the top of of parking ramp that was above where the President would be driving THREE HOURS later. Just like on TV
Seriously, HOW? could ANY ONE imagine that they'd be able to waltz on up to that roof?
UNLESS someone TOLD him it'd be okay
From the outset some of us were asking questions. Basic questions about the roof that was closest with a direct sightline to the stage being left unguarded. This is a basic question. As were others.
Then we learned people on the ground had seen the shooter, shouted about it and told police about it.
Then we learned the secret service snipers saw the shooter and held back taking him out until given the 'go'.
Then we learned that our own Secret Service had men stationed inside of the building the shooter stood on top. That they had seen the shooter 30 min before the shooting sitting on the grass. Then he disappeared. Then they saw him again, checking range with a range finder- on the grass. Easy enough to question. But they didn't and he disappeared again.
Then he showed up with a backpack, and proceeded to move to the back of the building where, out of sight, he climbed up the building.
These had to be the least curious secret service agents in history OR they were told to not move on subject.
The answers we're getting from the top, from the feckless Director of Secret Service is (1) the area outside of the established perimeter was up to local police (apparently they don't communicate with each other). Then we heard (2) that they didn't put agents on the roof of that building because it's slanted and something...safety.
Although the Director said something about 'transparency' in an interview, she's basically full of s***. And everyone knows this. Given the track record of our government attacking the truth, and attacking Donald Trump over the last few years, the longer they withhold the truth, the more life the worst scenario takes on.
Trump was not supposed to survive that day. He may have really messed things up for some people.
Jamie said...
Good Lord. I do not want any of this to be the case. I'd far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence.
I suspect it is. But because the Biden administration (and the Left in general) has a mental block with admitting when screw things up we get lame excuses from them and conspiracy theories abound.
Kennedy should ask for a voucher in lieu of SS and hire his own team.
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this could be extended to people living under "defund police" regimes
along with school vouchers.
Wa St Blogger said...
Trump should hire his own security from one of the many contractors out there.
He needs his own security team for sure.
But there is only one thing that will actually keep Trump alive and everyone better understand this.
It is the clear and unambiguous knowledge of where we would be right now if 300 million people saw Trump's head explode in broad daylight during a political rally.
The incompetence was not the security plan or the execution.
The incompetence is two fold:
1. The Regime was so bumbling and obvious in their attempt to kill Trump and the fact that it would have been public and brutal.
2. Their misunderstanding of what would happen after 90 million Trump supporters saw his head explode in public in broad daylight.
"How deluded would a potential assassin have to be to even think about showing up at an event like this carrying a gun, without having any idea about what sort of security he'll encounter when he gets there?"
The deluded kind of person that wants to take a crack at being the face that replaces Che Guevara's on t-shirts worldwide. The hitler propaganda has been so inescapable that eventually you're going to get someone who want to get a name for himself because he clearly is never going to get a chance to grab someone by the pussy.
Mason G said...
How deluded would a potential assassin have to be to even think about showing up at an event like this carrying a gun, without having any idea about what sort of security he'll encounter when he gets there?
UNLESS.. he was TOLD what to do.
which raises..
How deluded would a potential assassin have to be to even think he wouldn't be shot by the FBI that hired him?
Which EXPLAINS why they had to pick a twenty year old
Trump knew Biden ordered the hit when Biden called to express his sympathies.
That must have been a strange conversation.
Temujin said...
Trump was not supposed to survive that day. He may have really messed things up for some people.
7/16/24, 4:23 PM
Well, yes. Any chance a Democrat had of keeping the Presidency just evaporated. Another go at Trump and bodies start hitting the floor- even school shooter rejects know better than to try this now.
It was possible to exploit Secret Service gaps, but Trump's security team will be able to learn lessons and patch holes. They had one shot... and Joe found a way to dog it.
I am seriously conflicted and waver back and forth between negligence, bolstered by indifference and conspiracy with plausible deniability baked in.
So much had to happen for this to occur that I feel someone high up had to want it to happen. How does a sniper team, with eyes on the subject not eliminate the threat until after he fires, and how does Trump stay exposed with a known threat? How does the threat get into position unengaged while being observed by multiple security assets?
For that to happen requires a breaking of standard protocols. Who set those ROEs?
However, for something like that to happen, many, many people would have to be in on it, and that his very hard to keep under wraps. Unless the security team is hand-picked with internal pressure to avoid talking, it would be hard for someone not to discuss protocols that violated norms. A conspiracy that large would be hard to pull off.
Both scenarios are inconceivable, at yet it happened. What IS conceivable is that we will not be given the accurate information to know what happened and why. There will be massive CYA efforts put in place, and no one will be held to account.
The SS just told the world that the President of the United States is a soft target.
Just a comment or two to focus not on the conspiracy theory - which is obviously true - but instead of SS Dir Cheadle's "sloping roof" excuse:
1) She's not just so stupid she puts all other government managers to shame. She's also contemptuous of everyone else, to try to put that one over.
2) But it isn't just her. She didn't go out there and just "wing it" in the press availability or whatever it was. Her whole "C-suite" at the SS knew it was going to be the top question of the day. Not just one of the questions. The top question. And so it was discussed among them: What to say? What excuse to use? So it is unavoidable to conclude that the entire group of top-level managers/staffers/flunkies is just as stupid, just as contemptuous of everyone.
3) I live in an ordinary neighborhood in Seattle where all the single-family residences have sloping roofs. Pretty steep, some of them. And, as an older neighborhood, there is always a lot of roof work being done. 2 or 3 every summer. Lots of trained roofers with their untrained day-worker helpers up there 2 or 3 stories high. None have ever fallen (we'd know in this neighborhood). I'm not sure what accounts for it. Maybe it's the roof safety harnesses they all wear! Required by OSHA, available at Home Depot, $50 per man. Do you think there are any on the GSA schedule?
I am not surprised Little Inga would impune against Alex Jones, because she has never demonstrated an ability to follow a logical path. Therefore I will spell it out for her in as many simple monosyllabic words as I can muster.
Inga, dear, it doesn't matter who tried to murder Donald Trump or what the assailant intended as his ultimate goal -- left-wing, right-wing, middle-of-the-road, Democrat, Republican, Satan, or Santa Claus -- Since Crooks has been killed, it is unlikely that any clear motivation for his actions will ever be established.
The question before honest Americans is this, did the Biden administration facilitate the assassination attempt by withholding adequate security resources from the Trump campaign and/or by misdirecting the security team to allow the suspect to bring a rifle to a perfect shooting position with a clear field of fire less than 150 meters from President Trump's unprotected head?
Do you understand now? Or are you as simple as you seem?
David Burge via X : "Whoa there Boss, I only said I would be willing to take a bullet, nobody in Secret Service HR said anything about going up on a slopey roof"
It isn't a conspiracy to assassinate if the law enforcement just sits on their hands and does nothing.
Least that is the Biden Administration theory.
@phantommut: (and the equipment and style scream amateur; a pro would have used higher caliber gear and gone for central body mass, not the glory head shot) would take the bait.
I'm not disagreeing, just researching and noting the details.
The 5.56 NATO / .223 Rem (standard AR-15 cartridge) has plenty of power for a lethal 300 yard shot, let alone the 150 yards of this event. Still, a pro would absolutely use an accurate bolt-action rifle rather than a sloppy semi-auto. Indeed, the pros on the roof had scoped Remington bolt actions with vastly more power (apparently .300 Win Mag) and premium 7-35x riflescopes. A head shot isn't an issue if the rifle can put 5 shots into a <1" circle at that distance. This would be a very, very easy shot for a trained sniper.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/secret-service-guns-and-gear-of-july-13th-2024-44814994
The shooter apparently stole a 2013 AR-15 from his father. Per the image below, it may be a short 16" carbine with either a red dot sight or small riflescope. This is NOT a sniper's weapon of choice. With typical ammunition, a trained shooter may be capable of hitting a 3" to 5" circle at that distance. That's a trained marksman...not this guy... Yes, attempting a head shot was silly for a 20-year-old amateur. He might have been aiming at center mass and somehow got near Trump's head, but if the gun had a coarse red dot sight...point in the general direction and then spray and pray. That seems to be what the impulsive 1994 White House shooter did when Clinton was president -- he saw a guy with similar hair to Clinton and blasted 24 shots in the general direction.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-fbi-names-pennsylvania-man/story?id=111921870
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Martin_Duran
How could it be so dangerous for the SS snipers to be on the roof yet the assassin WAS on the roof?
Our DEI Government is too incompetent to:
1) Protect a President or,
2) Assassinate a President
Either one, or both, are just a sign of our times.
The Left kindled and then stoked this kind of rumor and intrigue against their opposition and now they're getting it repaid to them in kind. I don't rule out stupidity or incompetence as contributing factors though. Lesson learned: When you carelessly trash your own credibility as the Left has continually, you are doubted and disbelieved even when you are telling the truth. Many people will still think you're a lying bastard that's lying bc that's been the eventual case so many times.
Interesting that it was the last public event before the convention and the naming of a VP candidate. There would be no one to pick up the mantle as picked by Trump if he happened to die on Saturday.
Wa St Blogger said...
The SS just told the world that the President of the United States is a soft target.
7/16/24, 4:29 PM
I'm sure the NYT would be incredibly disappointed if Biden was "removed" so tragically.
"It isn't a conspiracy to assassinate if the law enforcement just sits on their hands and does nothing.
Least that is the Biden Administration theory."
Just a reminder that DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales created precedent that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens, which includes even former or current Presidents. This has been well established. It is pretty unreal the executive authority a cop has in choosing 'how' to prosecute the law.
And every last one of those fuck-ups is law enforcement. YMMV
"The deluded kind of person that wants to take a crack at being the face that replaces Che Guevara's on t-shirts worldwide."
Yeah, I could see that being so. But in that case, doesn't it seem odd that Mr. Crooks doesn't appear to have much of a social media presence? Or is that another totally unrelated coincidence?
Democrats have shown no restraint in other areas of administration or ideology - immigration, lawfare, student loan cancellation, gender confusion, defense, state affairs, monetary policy, foreign affairs, and political violence.
They deem chaos as a necessary tactic to fundamentally transform America. If you tell your supporters with all seriousness on a daily basis that Trump is Hitler, then assassination would be the right thing to do to "save democracy".
Trump was targeted and shot, but it was America that dodged a bullet.
I laughed out loud when I read earlier the SS director's comments about the sloped roof being an insurmountable danger for her team. Shit, that roof was so flat even a dead man couldn't fall off of it!
As Obama said, never underestimate Biden's ability to f**k things up.
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Did Obama intend criticism or high praise?
FJB has more fundamentally transformed USA beyond wild dreams in O's 3rd term?
Inga is so clueless - she is beyond help.
Alex Jones has nothing to do with this... but nice try.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she said. “And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside.”
OK, horse's mouth.
Scott Adams: “DEI is a slippery slope.”
I was only guessing, I really had no idea.
The rule of Lemnity said...
The secret service went DE&I
7/15/24, 9:21 PM
Whatever the truth, the excuses for the failed protection, or assassination will be believed by half of America.
The half that believed the Fine People Hoax, the Drink Bleach Hoax, COVID leaked from a wet market, the vaccine is safe and effective, men can have babies, fetuses are not life, carbon is poison etc...
The reason we are on the brink is because half of America (the educated elite) bow to the "expert" class, the media, and any PHD with a Holy Shit Billy degree. The other half think all ya'll are full of shit.
In contrast, when you look at the entire picture, what you see better resembles a deliberate plan to make Trump vulnerable but to appear at first glance to be just a couple of innocent mistakes....
I’m with the people upthread who would rather believe in the incompetence of the team assigned to Trump’s event than to a deliberate conspiracy. Not to mention the incompetence of Kim Cheatle — she certainly seems to be at a similar level of competence as, for instance, Pete Buttigieg, Lloyd Austin, Tony Blinken, and Jennifer Grantholm.
Let me put it this way. If the security at preceding Trump rallies was rock solid and tight, then porous at this particular rally, it might suggest a possible conspiracy, but for all we know it has been porous all year and only last Saturday did a troubled youth finally show up with a rifle. We also don’t know when young Mr. Crooks showed up to the rally. If he showed up just 15 minutes or so before Trump came out onstage and he went straight to the roof from where he took his shot, thst would say something, but what if he was there an hour early and took up a position a half mile or so away from the stage, then realized that there was a better — and unsecured! — spot just 400 feet from the stage
Wa St Blogger said...
So much had to happen for this to occur that I feel someone high up had to want it to happen. How does a sniper team, with eyes on the subject not eliminate the threat until after he fires, and how does Trump stay exposed with a known threat? How does the threat get into position unengaged while being observed by multiple security assets?
This is what you all need to focus on.
The security plan leaving that roof open was obviously stupid but you could in theory make an excuse for it. Every SS agent was an 80 IQ retard with absolutely no experience and no common sense.
You do not have eyes on a potential threat without having the cover team pull Trump to a safe place while they send a team to investigate and clear the threat. It would have been trivial to delay the speech for a couple minutes and go apprehend and question the suspicious character who had a gun and was carrying a ladder around.
There is no world where you let Trump go out on that stage and speak until you clear that threat.
It just does not happen.
And there is no way that everyone on the SS Team was that bad. If I grab 10 random men off the street 5 of them will come up with a reasonable security plan for that venue.
You people need to stop lying to yourselves.
Just a comment or two to focus not on the conspiracy theory - which is obviously true - but instead of SS Dir Cheadle's "sloping roof" excuse...
After studying the photos and some Google Maps images, I estimate the pitch of the roof Crooks fired from is 10%, the minimum requirement for PA snow load regulations, which is about half the roof pitch of the Farm Show livestock building used by the SS counter-sniper team.
Regarding shooting from sloped roofs -- long-distance marksmen fully know about shooting from this position. See the PRS (Precision Rifle Series) competition video with a simulated roof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc6BjbXx_A0
https://www.precisionrifleseries.com/
"That building, in particular, has a sloped roof at its highest point and so there will be a safety factor that will be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so you know the decision was made to secure the building from the inside." - Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle
Two questions:
1) How do you secure the roof of a building by being inside it?
2) You confirmed that you were concerned about securing the building but didn't want to post personnel on the roof due to safety considerations. Okay. So- shouldn't somebody be watching the roof from a safe location?
Incompetence job is to reward incompetence, with bigger and bigger budgets.
Conspiracy is not needed.
”We have been piecing all of this together on X.“
All using your cereal box decoder rings and invisible lemon ink, I’m sure!
I'm not there yet, but they need to provide answers to some very basic questions very, very soon.
Why not there? Well the effective planning and execution and secrecy of the conspiracy required to pull this off the way it happened sounds as unlikely to me as the extreme incompetence that is the other possible cause.
Just too many possible failure points in the sequence that we know about for it to have been planned this way (including the final one of the miss). If I'm wrong, the only solutions I can think of right now all end with, "and let God sort 'em out."
I don't believe the buffoons at the top are capable of coming up with a serious conspiracy
I do believe what happened is that they worked two angles:
1: Sabotage Trump's security any way they could
2: Deny Kennedy any security
and
3: Pump up the propaganda to get someone to try to take advantage of 1 and / or 2
Saturday they almost got what they wanted. But he missed, and so instead they made Trump stronger.
Monday Trump's security at the RNC was a bunch of tall men who looked like they'd ben hired for competence, not DEI.
I expect the next attempt will be some sort of IED, rather than a sniper.
Because teh people on Trump's security team now know they're being set up by upper management, and it's their own lives and future employment, as well as future self respect, if they let a shooter get Trump
Unless I haven't noticed, there is so far no word on what Crooks' cellphone has revealed about his motivations or his motivators, if any.
How many conspiracy theories have to come true before people wise up?
But in that case, doesn't it seem odd that Mr. Crooks doesn't appear to have much of a social media presence?
My theory is that if he was a patsy, they would have pre-scrubbed his presence. However, I would think that people who did have a connection to him might have spoken up about it. Occam says he really was a GenZ who was not on social media. One, who on a whim, with no history of violence or political extremism managed to plan and execute a sophisticated attempt to assassinate a (supposedly) heavily guarded presidential candidate. One who was free to scout the venue while security was present, set up a range finder, and brazenly ascend to a high point with an unconcealed weapon, assemble his weapon sight, take aim and fire. Just on a whim, with no real motivation other than maybe "heck, I'm bored. Let's see if I can assassinate an ex-resident. That would be LIT!"
Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to prove it's due to a conspiracy when Democrats are involved, because incompetence is their default standard operating procedure. It's like automatic reasonable doubt. With DEI as their prime objective, incompetence by definition is baked in. Think Inga as Director of the Secret Service and sure, a sloping roof is too dangerous for our agents. Not to mention it doesn't comply with OSHA regulations for differently-abled SS snipers in wheelchairs.
The report that Trumps regular detail was not there, it was a pickup team is just gonna fan the flames.
"Okay. So- shouldn't somebody be watching the roof from a safe location?"
They were watching the roof (erh, ceiling) from a safe location.
Couldn't they HEAR him clambering up the roof?
The roof wasn't too steep that the shooter couldn't get his shot off. so, there's that.
I've walked on, worked on steep roofs and that ain't steep, I can tell you that.
Maybe she was concerned OSHA was going to show up to check their fall protection gear.
Robert Cook said, "All using your cereal box decoder rings and invisible lemon ink, I’m sure!"
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I've noticed that Cook comments as though other people who comment on this blog aren't professional lawyers, IT experts, security experts, business owners, former military, airplane pilots, Doctors, etc. Pray tell us Cook, what illustrious bona fides do you possess that provide the wisdom to opine from your lofty perch? Janitor?
There isn't much known about the shooter - other than he somehow managed to be in a Blackrock ad - and he gave a small amount of money to democrats. That he might be a registered R - seems odd at his age... Only 20.
The whole thing is very odd -and looks bad for Team D. That's why people like Inga are scraping at the bottom - and looking under every outhouse for a used square of Toilet paper.
"All using your cereal box decoder rings and invisible lemon ink, I’m sure!"
Cookie shows his age and IQ again, the one being the reciprocal of the other.
“Trump knew Biden ordered the hit when Biden called to express his sympathies.“
Another member of the Cereal Decoder Ring Club appears!
I’m sure they’re preparing their detailed dossier of the plot from first whispers to failed termination. It might even be as many as two or three paragraphs!
Inga, it would not surprise me if the attempted assassin was far-left, far-right, anarchist, or a general nutter. That's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, so I have no idea why you brought it up.
A few days ago I called it "malicious incompetence". For now I'm sticking with that.
But it's getting hard. Really hard.
Re: RideSpaceMountain's comment about multiple errors: I am deeply familiar with a particular mid-air collision that happened at NAS Moffett Field in silicon valley. The investigation found six contributing errors or failures to follow normal procedure, in the 45 minutes prior. But what there WASN'T, was this repeated failure to recover when issues were discovered during the lead-up. For now I'm calling it laziness, malicious incompetence. But...
@JIM: Democrats have shown no restraint in other areas of administration or ideology - immigration, lawfare, student loan cancellation, gender confusion, defense, state affairs, monetary policy, foreign affairs, and political violence.
They deem chaos as a necessary tactic to fundamentally transform America.
Sigh. This follows from the inane ramblings of Noam Chomsky and a whole bunch of effete arm-chair radicals who've spend their entire lives in universities. See the revolutionary glamour and utopianism of lefty Anarcho-syndicalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
I personally don't think there's not much deep thought going on -- the Party is controlled by Biden-level rotting brains and younger people who are deeply distracted by their phones. Impulsive. No attention span. They'll cry and society will fall apart when no one knows how to fix the electrical system or cell system. When the phones die they'll turn into raging feral dogs. Idiocracy becomes real.
Isn't it funny how dedicated democratic leftists never believe anything negative about their own precious democratics? yeah.
to secure the building, from inside.
That one doesn't make sense to me. Couldn't you hear someone crawling on the roof if you're inside?
I would like to see some actual times. How long from the first shot til the snipers took him out?
I'm like others here I don't even like to think this happened purposely, but Achilles has layed out a pretty strong case, and we're all aware of often these "conspiracy" theories are turning out to be true.
At first glance these theories appear to be barking mad. But then I asked myself if such a conspiracy actually occurred what would the guilty parties have done different? And I honestly have no answer for that.
The Biden Administration either A) attempted an assassination of their main political rival, or B) it is being managed at the highest levels by people who aren't qualified to be greeters at Walmart.
I see no third option.
The shooter on the roof while the cops are inside is out of some Bugs Bunny gag.
To claim mere incompetence would be like a Cardiovascular surgeon starting a bypass operation by accidentally cutting the patients throat
The refusal to believe what our eyes see because we want our Gvt to be the good guys is the cover used everytime.
Only way to beat that mind paralysis is to remember Hillary and her ilk never saw Trump as a legitimate President. Ergo : all their actions to get him are done “to protect Democracy.”
No one knows what Cheatle knows.
However, for something like that to happen, many, many people would have to be in on it, and that his very hard to keep under wraps. Unless the security team is hand-picked with internal pressure to avoid talking, it would be hard for someone not to discuss protocols that violated norms. A conspiracy that large would be hard to pull off.
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Dr Jill shows her genius to edumacate us ...
step1 - Cheatle in place to avoid slippery slopy roofs
step2 - for this mission SS personnel cobbled together=DrFrankenstein
ergo - there was no team cohesion to worry about
so much for unity and toning down the rhetoric
X video: Did DE&I hollow out the SS?
Here's a link to an image that shows police on the roof of one building and the body of the shooter on another. The slopes don't appear to be much different.
https://img.republicworld.com/tr:w-800,h-450,q-75,f-auto/all_images/edf9afe5-6085-4035-a1bd-6383bf0e8f2c-1720940336854-16_9.webp
Ok, I just listened to the ABC interview with that incompetent buffoon, and heard her say the "sloped roof" line.
Once Trump takes office, she needs to be fired. She also needs to be blackballed from any employment for the rest of her life.
On the other hand, maybe there were two patsys. Crooks and the Secret Service.
Six ways from Sunday, somebody said.
I would like to see some actual times. How long from the first shot til the snipers took him out?
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more to the point - which sniper team took him out since 4 teams are mentioned in sundry reports [did Jack Ruby reincarnate?]
Did Sniper have assassin in his sights prior to attempt?
"No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."
Lily Tomlin
Watching asshole P0TATUS “turning off the hot rhetoric in Vegas in front of the NAACP…
/sarc
Quaestor said...
Unless I haven't noticed, there is so far no word on what Crooks' cellphone has revealed about his motivations or his motivators, if any.
The FBI has released a claim that there was nothing informative on his phone.
They didn't say whether that was because they'd already deleted everything informative
Last Saturday before the Republican convention and the VP announcement was their last opportunity to take Trump out and install their man (or woman in Haley's case).
This was no incompetence.
well lets consider prologue, remember that hit in texas against the cartoonists, the bureau's assets were guiding them, the pulse shooter, he was kept off the record, because his father was an bureau asset, 2016, in 2017, we have las vegas, the largest mass shooting to date, no motive found, the following year parkland, everyone from the school board to the doj knew about the shooter, result the dems won the House and Senate by a small margin, also the out of nowhere fake pipe bomber,
this was the lazy thing about Alex Jones, it was much worse than crisis actors, whatever they are, certain events are either set in motion, or are not prevented from happening,
I don't want to believe there was a conspiracy by Biden. I prefer to believe that it was simple incompetence by the Secret Service. If that's correct, then the head of SS and a lot of senior folks need to be fired for incompetence. ASAP! That's Biden's job.
If we don't see firings starting very soon, then that means the attempt to murder Trump was either a conspiracy that Biden's crew set this up, or that Biden's crew looked the other way while it was being done (same thing).
My personal opinion is that Joe Biden has neither the smarts nor the balls to order an assassination. "Dr." Jill might, and so might a lot of pols high up in the Biden administration.
but I just don’t see how the dems could believe they would benefit from Trump actually being killed.
I don't believe they're looking that far ahead. They hate him. They want him dead. That's it.
"The Biden Administration either A) attempted an assassination of their main political rival, or B) it is being managed at the highest levels by people who aren't qualified to be greeters at Walmart."
Option B is certain.
How did Gavril Princip end up being the assassin of Archduke Ferdinand?
He received an anonymous letter (no I am not kidding) that had a newspaper clipping about the Archdukes visit to Sarajevo.
He then worked up a plot to kill the archduke, but needed guns...
So a friendly connection, a Serbian military officer who was part of the Black Hand hooked them up, and trained them with bombs and pistols.
The Serbian Black hand helped smuggle them from Belgrade into Sarajevo.
So, once you start thinking about it, you realize the Black Hand set the boys up.
They knew the boys as Yugoslav romantic revolutionaries. Someone sent the letter, and then someone could "help" them get weapons and training.
It seems obvious the Serbian Black Hand society did the whole thing.
Now, just imagine if you were...say a left-leaning Intelligence Community group in America...could you....find some dupes? Train them, give them an idea, suggest a killing right before the convention, when no VP pick has been made yet?
Maybe you'd train him in explosives, too, and how not to use the internet, and to register as a Republican.
Maybe you'd suggest a rally date, and even a location.
You'd make sure to teach him how to wipe his phone and computers.
I am not SUGGESTING this as what happened.
I'm just saying it was done before with Gavril Princip, and it sure seems...possible.
Hopefully more information will be released to prove this unlikely or dead wrong.
I'm just saying, if you have ex-spies, and DOJ lawyers willing to fake a dossier about trump, this isn't that much further, especially if you convince yourself its for SAVING DEMOCRACY.
Original Mike said..."And did I read correctly that they secured the "shooter's building" by being inside it? What does that do?"
Allowed them to shelter in place???
I actually think that might be really hard to pull off.
Not the training and motivating.
But leaving a distinctive gap in the defenses.
I think that probably is bad luck or something else.
Wouldn’t you people be surprised if it was discovered that the assassination attempt came from the right, far far right.
The 'far right' wasn't in charge of Trump's security, you twit.
"Isn't it funny how dedicated democratic leftists never believe anything negative about their own precious democratics? yeah."
You don't find it equally funny that the Republicans are exactly the same?
in sixteen paragraphs, mr. davis has managed to say not one damned thing, and done so in such a way that none of you noticed
Drago said...
phantommut: "The shooter appears to have had zero social media footprint. If it turns out it that's because it was scrubbed (and there was plenty of time to scrub before his identity was publicly released) then I'll believe it was a deliberate plot to allow the shooting to happen."
Will we ever be allowed to "know" such a thing? I'm thinking no.
7/16/24, 3:45 PM
I think there's a good chance of finding out if he was on X. Anything else, no.
https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-said-hes-really-good-at-killing-people-2013-11
The J6 pipe bomber was also never found.
placed fake bombs next to dems and gop.
That also seems very...suspicious to me.
Shoeless Joe said...
The Biden Administration either A) attempted an assassination of their main political rival, or B) it is being managed at the highest levels by people who aren't qualified to be greeters at Walmart.
I see no third option.
7/16/24, 5:02 PM
The fact is both are true. They really are that evil, and they really are that stupid. This HAD to work, and even with an evil lunatic ready to cast the Secret Service under the bus, Trump survived by the Hand of God.
A similar plan is very unlikely to work, even against RFK Jr., and the result has been an incredibly strong boost in support for President Trump.
but I just don’t see how the dems could believe they would benefit from Trump actually being killed.
but I just don’t see how the dems could believe they would benefit from Trump actually being indicted on trumped up charges.
Vilification didn't work
Lawfare didn't work
Killing him WOULD eliminate him as a candidate. Might or might result in a victory for Biden. but it might be a better option than with Trump alive.
WE believe that a convention scramble for a candidate would weaken the Dems. Why would they not think the same would happen to the Rs? And there is a good chance a compromise candidate that would piss off the Trump loyalists enough to depress their vote.
No, killing Trump would be a valid strategy.
"You don't find it equally funny that the Republicans are exactly the same?"
We don't because it's untrue. The Republicans are more diverse than the Democrats. Olympia Snow, for example. No Democratic senator has categorically rejected Biden and embraced the equally if not left-leaning Robert Kennedy.
the funny thing about that obama boast, this was before we knew about islamic state, no targets in iraq or syria, no targets in north africa, it was curious, but then neither halperin or heileman, ever showed any curiousity,
Shoeless Joe said...
The Biden Administration either A) attempted an assassination of their main political rival, or B) it is being managed at the highest levels by people who aren't qualified to be greeters at Walmart.
I see no third option.
7/16/24, 5:02 PM
The fact is both are true. They really are that evil, and they really are that stupid. This HAD to work, and even with an evil lunatic ready to cast the Secret Service under the bus, Trump survived by the Hand of God.
A similar plan is very unlikely to work, even against RFK Jr., and the result has been an incredibly strong boost in support for President Trump.
"I've noticed that Cook comments as though other people who comment on this blog aren't professional lawyers, IT experts, security experts, business owners, former military, airplane pilots, Doctors, etc. Pray tell us Cook, what illustrious bona fides do you possess that provide the wisdom to opine from your lofty perch? Janitor?"
1. Even professionals can be swayed by their own biases. And are! (And is demonstrated daily in this blog's comments.)
2. My illustrious bona fides are a matter of highest confidentiality which cannot be revealed at risk of...no! no! n--aagggghhhhhh!!!
and Kamala, has never been asked about events re that obvious fake pipe bomb,
the video imaging, oddly degraded when it came to identify the bomber,
"'You don't find it equally funny that the Republicans are exactly the same?'
"We don't because it's untrue."
Hahahaha! You just proved it!
Robert Cook said...
”We have been piecing all of this together on X.“
All using your cereal box decoder rings and invisible lemon ink, I’m sure!
I know you are barely able to read and completely incapable of thinking for yourself.
But you and your stupidity have led to the place we are in.
You are just a despicable stupid person and allowing you in polite spaces almost resulted in hell being unleashed.
All of the decent people reading this need to understand the hell your tolerance of this evil almost made a reality. Most of you have not seen a head explode after being hit by a 556 round at close range. Trump’s exploding head was almost broadcast for everyone to see. People would have watched it over and over again.
You need to stop making excuses for this. Thousands of people would be dead right now if the shooter succeeded and the warm up phase would just now be getting over.
Please wake up and recognize what people like Cook are and what they want to happen.
"The FBI has released a claim that there was nothing informative on his phone."
Then there's no point in keeping the data confidential, is there? Make it available for downloading. Let Americans see for themselves. Redact the phone numbers, but let us see his browsing history and his texts.
The three things that cant be denied:
1) Trump's SS detail has been starved of agents, despite his being under the biggest threat.
2) RFK has been denied SS protection out of pure spite.
3) During the Margo Documents raid, FBI agents were armed and given permission to use deadly force.
There's a definite pattern of deliberate negligence. If Biden's DHS is OK with millions of illegals pouring over the border, and doesn't care how many are criminals and how many Americans get killed by them, is it too much to suspect that they didn't care if Trump or RFK got killed?
BTW, has anyone considered what will happen when the NY Judge sentenced Trump to Jail in September? How is Trump supposed to be safe while in Prison?
And the Director of the SS should be fired just for that sloped roof comment. The whole point is to secure the roof, not the inside of the building. Trump wasn't going to get shot from inside the building. At the very least, what about having people OUTSIDE The building to prevent anyone from getting on the roof?
And i've sat on "sloped roof" in perfect safety, because I sat the right way. And have the SS ever heard of safety ropes? Roofers have them.
I keep having to return to the question- are the Biden people really this incompetent?
Yes- yes they are.
I did roofing in high school and college for money- that roof from which Crooks shot has less slope than any roof I ever worked on- probably a slope of not even 2/12. 3/12 was normal where I grew up, worked on a few 4/12 roofs and one miserable 6/12 roof that had the skin on the soles of my feet peeling off in huge blisters by the end of the job during the Summer of 1980.
"And have the SS ever heard of safety ropes? Roofers have them."
There are pictures online of police on roofs at the rally. Sloped roofs.
remember that if this is what actually happened, and Occam's razor applied to the past six or eight years says that it's the most likely explanation, that they are going to deploy sock puppets on sites like this
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FD/FD00/20231130/116615/HHRG-118-FD00-20231130-SD001.pdf
So while it's true that arguing with the willfully deaf may help to clarify your thinking, as they throw up there talking points, you are still dealing with people who probably came here after some "call to action' on Mastadon, or some other liberal site, and you can eviscerate their arguments, and they won't even notice, because they simply don't care. They care about one thing, preserving the political power of the machine behind Droolin' Joe.
Look, people need to stop being stupid. Biden and Mayorkas didn't get together and plan to kill Trump. WHat they did is make an assassination possible by refusing to care and use due diligence. They had a le dee dah, "trump can get by on the minimum number of agents" and if he shots well that's the breaks attitude.
There is no "Shortage of SS agents". The budget is in the BILLIONS.
The key is the denial of SS protection to RFK. That man could be dead right now due to Biden refusing to protect him. That's the sort of people we're dealing with.
"RFK has been denied SS protection out of pure spite."
No, it was a calculated move to force RFK Jr to pay the ruinous expenses himself, and to drain his funds.
I'm also in the accidentally on purpose camp.
“Couldn't they HEAR him clambering up the roof?”
“That one doesn't make sense to me. Couldn't you hear someone crawling on the roof if you're inside?”
They couldn’t hear it over the air conditioner.
The line of sight could have easily been shut off by moving the podium back a few feet and/or the bleachers to a different angle. Someone from SS should have been there when they were set up.
There was an unmanned two story roof right there, too. Were they fixated on that and ignoring the lower one?
It's as if they were all sleepwalking. When Reagan was shot, they shoved him into the limo and high-tailed it before they knew he'd been hit (probably the training after JFK's driver slowed down after the first shot). Compare with how long it took to get Trump into the SUV--and the SUV off the grounds.
The deep state will bury this deeper than the Titanic.
"mr. davis has managed to say not one damned thing"
I guess by this you mean that there was no PDF of a signed confession.
And Oh, by the way, when they allowed that flag to wave behind Trump's head, that was an open gift to any sniper who happened along to give real time info on wind direction and speed. It should never have been allowed. The Secret Service knows that.
Local news in Pittsburgh, covering the story, had a photo of six investigators standing upright in a circle on the roof.
Reading people on X, and people like Achilles here, and following Occam's Razor is disturbing to say the least. The people questioning the narrative are not Dr. Bullshit Fauci.
But the in any scenario the world just saw DEI fail immensely, at the highest levels, without a doubt. If is wasn't for Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, we would see none of it.
DEI will bleed into, and show it's face in operating rooms, cockpits, police forces and military operations.
It's incompetence was already visible in America's education establishment.
That's probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Please. Don't go down that idiotic rabbit hole.
Vicki from Pasadena
"And have the SS ever heard of safety ropes? Roofers have them."
Of course they have but Britney Fife and her gunslinging gal-pals said it scrunches their girl slacks and musses their hair up, so it was a moot point. Fashion before fidelis, they already compromised on the kitten heels...let's not get crazy here!
These things always require you to believe a couple of dozen people were all in together in a conspiracy. Maybe one or two could pull it off but not the entire team. I read that Trump’s team had the day off because they’d been working seven day weeks with no time off so the crew he had Saturday were fill-ins. I’m going to call incompetence. It is easy to believe Biden, Blinken and Cheadle made a decision to leave Trump’s team short handed but I don’t think the folks on the ground were all in on it together.
It's not the number of experienced security experts who are speaking out about this looking suspicious that really gets me wondering. It is the absolute silence on the other side. No one, but NO ONE is saying "oh, this isn't so peculiar".
Sorry for the all caps...
HOW IN THE H-LL DID THE LADDER GET THERE??????
In Cheatle's defense Jill Biden has been stalked for 3 years by a dangerous cabal of underworld upholsterers looking for fabric.
"That's probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Please. Don't go down that idiotic rabbit hole."
This is how cults stop people from thinking about things that the cult would rather you didn't think about. Notice that there is no real content, just a warning away from this dangerous line of inquiry.
A thought terminating cliché
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_cliché
Shorter Vickie "I'm sad that Trump's not dead but our side totes would not have killed him.
And when the FBI said they couldn't crack his phone, I was like, OK, let's wait. But then when they immediately "assure" us that there was nothing on it of any possible interest, well, sorry, we have been lied to way too much. Often by the FBI, and you can rest assured that the people they put on this investigation are trusted by Biden's inner circle to "do the right thing."
Watch when Congress subpoenas the phone, Merrick "Rosemary Woods" Garland refuses.
Blogger Mr Wibble said...
I don't think that they did it to allow an assassination attempt, I think that they're just petty and incompetent.
I find that Mr. Wibble (writing that name always feels a bit peculiar) often has good insights into US politics.
"I don’t think the folks on the ground were all in on it together."
Not necessary, the only thing needed was that they be incompetent for the plan to work.
One can be killed by actively committing the act or passively by "allowing" it to happen, as was the case with Ngo Dinh Diem.
So show of hands of people who are voting "pure incompetence" that you don't think a serious investigation is needed, or if it is investigated, you think that certain plausible lines of inquiry should be off limits to investigators, because "come on, man, would Joe Biden do anything underhanded like that?"
Talk about conspiracy theories....the same idiots who believe everything the Pravda media tells them to believe, because their "democracy" is threatened.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13640165/Liberals-wild-conspiracy-theories-trump-assassination.html
Tim,
Mostly incompetence done in a malicious fashion. Yes- there needs to be full publicly open investigation into why that roof was open to the shooter. Somebody needs to answer for that.
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