Here is RFK Jr. affirming his commitment to China-style full-term abortion, without limits, nationwide:
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) May 9, 2024
RFK: "I believe we should leave it to the woman, we shouldn't have the government involved."
STEELE: "Even if it's full term?"
RFK: "Even if it's full term." pic.twitter.com/i6GrXkPrlK
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RFK Jr. would give women full control over the decision to have an abortion — "even if it's full term."
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"Even if it's full term."
Tanit smiles. The sacrifices have more value the longer to term they're taken. She wants her Tophets filled with actual children, not pathetic 'clumps of cells', so take notes ladies.
RFK Jr. would give women full control over the decision to have an abortion — "even if it's full term."
That is a brutally extreme position.
Women do have full term abortions. Look at the Gosnell reality.
the far left will like this.
How can RFK Jr. be so concerned about the vaccine cocktail given to infants and young children, which is probably connected to the autism spike, but still be all for full term abortion which in basically infanticide.
Published pro-choice statistics show the main reasons for these late term abortions ARE NOT for the health of the mother, or that the infant is unviable.
This is a total copout on his part. A woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy up to 16 weeks. That's reasonable. A woman does not have the moral right to abort and viable infant in the final trimester, nor throw and infant off a cliff like the ancient Greeks.
What a disappointment. And yeah, hanging out in stocking feet, while casually approving of infanticide is a bit disturbing.
So, he is for murdering a fully developed baby. PERIOD. Sick man...
I'd need to have a worm eat part of my brain to make me support full term abortion.
Why does any Presidential candidate talk about abortion? Out of all the challenges facing US Presidents, surely abortion is a low, low priority.
Ughhh. But I respect the courage and honesty he's brought to the table. Unusual politician.
You have to admire his honesty because it will cost him votes, especially from wayward Republicans for whom it’s a bridge too far. Right now his candidacy hurts Biden more than Trump. .
America will continue to decline until it gives up on the stupid fantasy that women are infallible. Nobody is infallible.
"It's up to the woman" is a Pontius Pilate hand washing cop out on full term abortion. "I didn't decide to kill the viable infant...SHE DID". It provides plausible deniability. Like voting for RJK Jr. in he general election.
"I didn't say I was pro-infanticide, I just said a woman should be allowed to choose if she wants to commit it."
Pilate: "I didn't choose to release Barabbas, the Jews did."
I'm glad he did this. More shaving off Biden votes, and more distance from Trump/MAGA.
By bowing to the infallibility of liberal women, RFK Jr. just presented himself as a total...PUSSY.
"It's too serious, too deadly."
Why? Nine months is "too deadly" but three is not so deadly?
Abortion anytime for any reason is what the prog argument demands. Women's autonomy rules, babies be damned.
Next question: why stop at birth? Let's ask Peter Singer.
is it not in reality woman telling someone else 'get on with getting rid of it'?
I am always ok if it is D-I-herself
Repulsive thought.
Despicable and evil. And he probably just won the votes of millions of AWFL's.
What if a woman thinks she wants to be a mother until the child is 4 or so? Then realizes her body is being controlled by an always needy other person who demands time and resources? Why should she be required to submit?
What if she really wants to go on a vacation to Detroit and Puerto Rico?
Why should politicians have control over a woman's body even after birth? That sounds like a kind of enforced slavery when it's not in keeping with a woman's adapting sense of self and goals.
Even up to full term? This just goes to show that this man is not presidential material. Does he think he will get Democrats votes if he says such a thing? If so he displays extremely poor judgment.
“Even if full term” is extreme…. Babies are born prematurely all the time and survive just fine. Why not arrange for that, along with adoption? Full term abortion in this day and age truly is heinous, imho. It seems to be more about power than healthcare. No middle ground allowed. Sorry to hear this from him.
To paraphrase Althouse, I would recommend that RFKjr step back from the tawdry exercise of getting elected and actually behave with integrity.
"Out of all the challenges facing US Presidents, surely abortion is a low, low priority."
It's often quite a priority for serial adulterers
“That is a brutally extreme position”
Of course he supports 9 month abortions. That stance essentially limits the damage he can do to Trump. 9 month abortions, are essentially indistinguishable from infanticide for much of the population. We are talking minutes of surgery in an emergency C Section between that to-be-aborted fetus and normal babyhood. At or nearing 9 months, they aren’t even considered premies. It’s an extreme position, but probably shared with FJB. Why do so many good Roman Catholics, like Biden, Pelosi, Kennedy, support infanticide?
"Most doctors schedule an ultrasound at around 18 to 21 weeks, but the sex may be determined by ultrasound as early as 14 weeks."
Hey liberal women. If you don't like the sex of the fetus is it moral to abort after week 14, 18, or, 21 for that reason alone? I'm sure it's done, but not often admitted.
Or, is your group like the Corleone Family, defining your own morality as you go? You know, like Michael attending a baptism, while having his enemies killed under the moral guise of "it's just business."
Are men not allowed to ask the morality of 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions? Michael Corleone didn't let his wife as about his business either.
Stephen said...
You have to admire his honesty because it will cost him votes, especially from wayward Republicans for whom it’s a bridge too far. Right now his candidacy hurts Biden more than Trump. .
I think RFK purposely gave Trump this video for ads.
No woman who thinks full term abortion is OK was going to vote for Trump anyways.
I still think there is a possibility that they replace Biden with RFK and this would still fit in that paradigm.
"I don't like seeing his stocking feet in this context."
Thank God he wasn't wearing shorts...
Pure leftism is rather insane.
Leftists want to hyper-control our lives... (in every direction) but that hyper-control hits the wall when it comes to an innocent life in a womb. All the way up to 100% viability.
Paddy O, you ought to read Philip Dick's short story, "The Pre-Persons." In this world, abortion is available up to age 12, or the development of higher math skills. Parents can call for their kids to be picked up by the "abortion truck" at any time before that age, whereupon they're housed in cages for a month and (if not "adopted") then snuffed.
"Why does any Presidential candidate talk about abortion?" Because it is a winning issue among young women, maybe THE ONLY issue for a lot of them.
Given a choice of 16 weeks, or unlimited abortion, or no abortion, most Americans would (I believe) choose 16 weeks. Republicans and Democrats seem determined to offer the extremes.
Obama described it as a "burden", which is presumably not limited to a baby. Net-Zero.
No shoes and bad posture indicates that he's relaxed and not taking this too seriously. Which seems appropriate when the topic of discussion is infanticide.
I may get my good citizen badge revoked for this, but I think abortion is the hill that Althouse would die on. I think this is the one issue that dominates her decision to not support Republican candidates. It does seem that of all the issues she brings up about law-fare, violations of due process, free speech, and the many other abuses promulgated by the Democrat party that she cannot muster enough outrage to vote in the very thumb-in-the-eye candidate that needs to be voted on and by extension the party that needs to be elected to demonstrate to the Democrat party that their attempts at using politics, media, courts, and the other institutions to denigrate and punish about half the country needs to be curtailed. But instead she prefers to vote for a very hard-line lefty.
Althouse holds much of her voting activity close to the vest, so I am a little surprised the let the cat out this soon. In the past I felt that her main reasons were for civility, but seems no longer the over-arching motivation since a strong Democratic party, unhindered because of a lack of solid rebuke by the public, would continue to push an un-civil agenda.
Now, I don't think she holds the Kennedy position on abortion, but that is far more palatable than a ban than a restriction of anything less than 15 weeks (though her target might be higher, not sure on that point.)
Thus a protest vote for Kennedy is much more logical than a protest vote for Trump.
it's Important to remember, that democrats think that people are Property.
Since a baby is Property; the owner (the mom), can do ANYTHING she wants with that Property.
This is EXACTLY the same reasoning that democrats used in 1860..
Serious Question: wouldn't (shouldn't? (couldn't?)) the 13th amendment apply to this issue?
If Not... WHY NOT??
WHY is it "okay" for a Property Owner to terminate another human being?
in Iowa, you can't evict someone in the winter, because they might freeze to death
in Iowa, you can't even cut off utilities in the winter, because it's TOO COLD
BUT; in Iowa, you can evict a person from your womb.. Just because you want to.
Where is the 13th Amendment now? I guess laws don't apply to women
Morality aside, it's a politically suicidal position for any candidate to take, and further evidence, as if any were needed, that RFK Jr. is a full-fledged loon.
Is this supposed to be a surprise? Obviously RFK needs the baby killers to make a mark.
Well, at least it’s a principled decision, consistent and not mealthy mouthed with ifs, ands, and buts. But it’s disgusting.
No Catholic in America can vote for him with that position. Many may, but they can’t do so and be faithful to the faith.
Why’s this guy even in the race? What’s his goal?
For the hard left, it's a necessary ideal. RFK is trying to get credibility with the insanity wing of the Democrats. All he's really doing is making it impossible for anyone who likes babies to vote for anyone but Trump.
I had hoped Trump could carefully make RFK into a challenger to Biden, but that doesn't seem likely anymore.
As Paddy O said..
What if a woman thinks she wants to be a mother until the child is 4 or so?
IF termination is "okay" at 8 months, WHY WOULDN'T be "okay" at 9 months?
IF termination is "okay" at 9 months, WHY WOULDN'T be "okay" at 10 months?
IF termination is "okay" at 10 months, WHY WOULDN'T be "okay" at 57 months?
AT WHAT POINT, does this property cease to be the mother's property? WHY Then?
I suppose you could make an argument for 225 months? (18yr*12mn/yr+9mn) ???
IF you decide to terminate you pregnancy at 15 years.. Can the fetus sue for emancipation*?
emancipation* isn't it NEAT? that The Law uses THE SAME TERM for slaves, as for minors?
The famous Kennedy Catholicism is looking pretty pagan these days. C'est la guerre.
"What if she really wants to go on a vacation to Detroit and Puerto Rico?"
Who in their right mind vacations in Detroit?
He doesn't want to leave it up to the states and he thinks government should be completely out of it. So what does that mean in practice -- a constitutional amendment denying both the federal government and the states any ability to restrict abortions? That does seem like a really extreme position, first of all. But it's also one that's politically unachievable.
I get the feeling from that brief clip that he really hasn't given a ton of thought to the issue and was just improvising.
I'll give him that, as long as the man gets full control over whether he has to pay anything upon keeping it. [/satire]
The way you have a "full term" abortion or any late term abortion is basically that you give birth but the abortionist kills the baby in some way just before you begin labor. Some times it's a saline injection which sort of shrivels up the baby like someone dying of thirst or sometimes it's a nail in the baby's head as it descends the birth canal. And sometimes the babies survive it all. Then it's illegal to kill them but if the abortionist puts the baby aside on a cold metal table and doesn't clear its nasal passages then the mom can pretty much count on her baby suffocating and giving no further trouble.
This is a pretty brutal way to behave and it goes on because people turn their heads and refuse to know or to think about what they know. A Presidential candidate can advocate for this because people refuse to acknowledge what he is saying he wants to allow.
The unborn child is a human person from the moment of conception but a majority does not understand this. We prolifers have a job of persuasion to do to stop all abortions. However, right now a majority understands that late term abortions are wrong though they would like to think about something else. By appealing to this majority to institute a ban on abortions after 15 weeks, we could stop the most brutal part of the abortion industry. I think this is worth doing and I was happy to see a Presidential candidate is advocating for such a ban.
Lance: "Out of all the challenges facing US Presidents, surely abortion is a low, low priority."
Too much rational thinking there, Lance. People who vote for Democrats, regardless of the candidate's label, don't really do that - particularly the baby killers.
Men and women, equally, and inclusively, act "stupidly", and garner "burdens" throughout their lives. There should be social justice for everyone, without discrimination for sex.
That said, a human life is legally viable from six months in all fifty states. Alaska excluded or something. Change the law to revisit performing human rites from times of olde, and Capitol punishment from Democratic days of liberal lunacy. Let our politics be progressive and steeped in diversity.
Maybe he can take an epiphanic trip to an abortion clinic like he did to the border.
Why not abortion rights for men?
C'mon, it's just a clump of cells. Like a wart.
You know, I'm coming to think that the people who don't believe their DNA needs copying may well be right. Let 'em kill their babies. Hell, let 'em kill each other. In fact, maybe we should help them kill each other. In our stocking feet.
He continues the political game of riling abortion opponents and demanding abortion supporter's votes, rather than proposing anything that both sides will understand as a good-faith proposal, rather than saying anything that one side won't dismiss as not just wrong but horribly evil. This isn't just political opportunism, it is political fantasy revenge porn.
Texas will go blue this election or next due to Republican legislators pandering to the local evangelical nutcases and limiting legal abortion to 6 weeks from conception, with onerous civil penalties for even helping someone else abridge that limit. Texas will be blue sooner rather than later over this one issue, after only 30 years of Republicans in charge, just as Texas turned red over concealed carry in the 1990s after 50+ years of Democrats running the show.
So I guess while pushing for states to loosen up suddenly tight abortion laws, this jackdoodle has decided why not go a mile past any sensible limit, proposing abortion on demand up to birth. He deserves to get fewer votes than Jeb Bush or Kamala Harris in the primaries for this idiocy alone.
Just fine, if you want to achieve absolutely nothing.
Why stop at 9 months? let women kill their babies up to 1 year.
A women's right to choose shouldn't be trifled with.
Heartless Aztec, not sure that the label of "politician" fits. Maybe I don't remember, but I don't think he's ever been elected to public office. He's more like a politician wannabe until he wins an election.
But it is a bold position for a candidate to take. "I also disagreed with Roe v. Wade and its progeny because they allowed too many restrictions."
The kennedys believe in womens right to choose. Whether its Kiling babies at 9 months or letting have a choice between drowning or fighting they way out of car trapped underwater.
How can RFK Jr. be so concerned about the vaccine cocktail given to infants and young children ... but still be all for full term abortion which in basically infanticide.
The common thread is that he doesn't much seem to care about the lives of children. Remember all the kids in Samoa who died of measles thanks to him.
There goes any chance he takes votes from Trump. Chuck, Rich, etal. hardest hit.
Can we have RFK's position on illegal immigration and AMnesty? My impression is he wants illegals to vote a wide open border and Amnesty for everyone here.
What could be better for the USA than 500 million people, 1/2 of them 3rd worlders? After all, the Kennedys have their rich estates. You could move 200 million Zulus here and it wouldn't hurt them.
To his credit, Kennedy is actively trying to win the election- it isn't just a hobby, I think, but win, no matter how unlikely it is, he has to tack hard left and run Biden out of the race.
What about a teenager, can a woman still abort them? Or, since the human brain is still developing until about age 25, the post-graduate student, after all they are not fully human?
A very Kennedyesque position on the issue.
There are theoretical reasons to support both extremes, not that people tend to: once conceived, it's a baby, vs. you learn to be a human through relations to others.
The right compromise, meaning so much support from both sides that you can't move it politically once established, is whenever the fetus can be portrayed as cute. Taking care of cute things is good for society so it's even a positive force.
Another true Catholic democrat.
That position is just as consistent as no abortion ever. Trouble is there's no middle ground.
Sigh. Well I guess I’m just voting for Trump then
I was skeptical about RFKJ building meaningful pie-piece of a Nader sized vote that could move Team Cadaver outside the margin of fraud. Not anymore…
"I think his feet were supposed to be off camera. I don't like seeing his stocking feet in this context. It's too serious, too deadly."
Once society accepts deadly brutality, we can hardly complain that people become inured to it and treat it casually. Do we think that Nazi and communist officials in Germany, the Soviet Union, and China always put on their full dress uniforms when signing off on the death of millions?
Does formal attire demonstrate moral seriousness? Are we suppose to believe that officials or politicians in formal attire are showing us that they struggled with their decisions? If so, then does casual attire indicate that the whole matter is no big deal to them and that they believe that the women making the decision about aborting a full-term baby should not worry their pretty little heads over what is really just a casual decision of no consequence?
Unfortunately, I think our society has reached the point where our ruling class is untroubled by even late-term abortion and find no need to dress up their support for it in the trappings of moral seriousness, however ragged those trappings are.
How about either the mother or father can require abortion on demand, for any reason at any time?
If it keeps the numbers of undesirables down, it's OK with me.
I'm not responsible for other people's fornications, or the results thereof, and don't wait for women to tell me when I'm allowed to care what they do.
Simpler not to care at all.
What do you call a human in the U.S. who has successfully navigated the birth canal?
Citizen.
What do you call it when you purposefully kill a citizen due to inconvenience?
Here is the full interview. You ladies who are somewhat taken aback by Althouses' clip can rekindle your affections with a longer, cozier exposure to this amazing, brilliant, buff and huggable man.
The sock issue is clarified at the beginning. The have it both ways attempt at justifying legalizing full term abortion begins at 1:04.
Please sit on a towel if you feel the need to throw your panties at the screen.
Gusty Winds:
... full term abortion which in basically infanticide.
Not basically, is infanticide.
That worm in his brain died of shame.
The fetish of placing value upon human life must be discarded, but in a non sexist way that gives men an equal chance to terminate lives that interfere with their life goals.
Just to generalize: women should be able to decide when to kill babies, Palestinians should be able to decide when to kill Jews, though Jews should not be able to decide when to kill Palestinians--that's "genocide"!
I agree with his position but it isn’t enough to get me to vote in this election.
I am leaning towards jr. because he has a pretty competent vp to take over if the worm recovers.
I realize that “Codify Roe” is mostly sloganeering, but a lot of people seem to have forgotten the limits Roe allowed during the third trimester.
A stance like that will move Biden voters to the RFK camp. I don't think it'll move Trump voters over.
But it was only fantasy
The wall was too high, as you can see
No matter how he tried, he could not break free
And the worms ate into his brain
Kill a dog: Bad
Kill a kid: Good
Kennedy's comment is so stupid it cannot be anything but a fall on your sword moment exacted from the heretofore appealing third-choice candidacy through something underhanded and nefarious -- some form of blackmail too devastating to face down. When controlled by the Democrats, the Justice Department and the various intelligence agencies function like Stalin's NKVD, the sword and shield of the Party, and only the Party. In that role, its ability to dig up the filth is formidable, as Bobby Junior has evidently discovered.
Top that, Joe Biden!
White tennis shoes by the couch. Interviewer's feet, in socks, on the couch.
Just a Homey, casual conversation, right?
He's making his ferret faced nephew look good
Shows he's honest. It was impolitic to take that position.
Either that or his in it to help Trump.
Up until the umbilical is cut...
Excellent news for Trump.
Left-wing feminists, for whom abortion on demand occupies the same place in the heart as church services do for normal people, gain a reliable ally and alternative to "Genocide Joe".
Maverick conservatives who were thinking of voting for RFK because Trump reminds them too much of Al Czervik get a pretty big reason to return to the Trump fold.
@Inga: Does he think he will get Democrats votes if he says such a thing?
Of course he thinks so. And of course he will.
If people think that this will move Biden voters to vote for RFK Jr. think again. He will get precious few Biden voters. Democrats don’t want antivaxxers or extremists to get the Democratic nomination.
Trump actually has a bigger threat to himself winning the presidency than Biden does from RFK Jr. and that is the hundreds of thousands of people who have now made a protest vote by voting for Nikki Haley, even after she was quit running. There are more people who reject Trump at this point than who will remain loyal to him. Just my opinion.
It does seem that he is now less likely to take from Trump voters, and more likely to take from Bidens. "Even if full term" Really?
Once I would have taken his position. But the more I thought about it, the more I concluded that the act of actually giving birth could not be the division between a human life and discarded scraps. It's hard to deny that it is a form of taking a life.
Since it seems like the state must have a position on this, it seems like we all must decide what we can stomach. Personally, I'd prefer to leave it to a strong societal moral code but we are long long past those days.
not bad, really. get a look at it to see if it is cute enough, or has the right eye color.
He's also said he'd sign an abortion ban. It's about Congress. If they can agree on a bill, he'll follow what the country wants.
He has a YouTube series called "American Stories". Ep 1, Auntie Angie's House, is his visit to a woman helping pregnant women who want to keep their babies but have no resources or support. I watched it months ago and it took me awhile to find it again. Search on anything Bobby these days, regardless of words, and you get the brain worm story.
What is his opinion on death penalty for murderers?
Monstrous. A full-term baby should not be aborted. We can discuss where to draw the line, but that's infanticide. That's murder.
And yeah, I'll say it: That's worse than the Kristi Noem dog situation.
> Paddy O, you ought to read Philip Dick's short story, "The Pre-Persons." In this world, abortion is available up to age 12, or the development of higher math skills. Parents can call for their kids to be picked up by the "abortion truck" at any time before that age, whereupon they're housed in cages for a month and (if not "adopted") then snuffed.
I read that short story 35 years ago and it has stayed with me ever since. PKD really knew how to write.
Ann Althouse said...
Shows he's honest. It was impolitic to take that position.
Either that or his in it to help Trump.
The highest likelihood is a combination of these two things. One can hope.
But the cynic in me still thinks RFK is a CIA plant that will replace Biden as the Democrat candidate after the imminent "health emergency" Biden is about to have.
Then RFK becomes the next puppet after he succumbs to round 2 of brain worm attack.
R: 12 weeks
D: No restrictions
R: 16 weeks
D: No restrictions
R: 24 weeks
D: No restrictions. Why are you such extremists?
Paddy O said...
"Out of all the challenges facing US Presidents, surely abortion is a low, low priority."
It's often quite a priority for serial adulterers
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Not to mention the millions of trashy women who "hook up" without giving a single thought to the consequences, then bleat about "reproductive rights".
Killing the baby isn't "reproduction", it's the opposite!
Hillary once said she hoped abortion would be safe, legal and rare. The "rare" part will never happen unless women behave responsibly-----but we all know they won't. They will DEMAND that they be allowed to fuck their brains with abandon, then slaughter the babies inside them.
What normal men would want such people as wives, or as mothers?
Skeptical Voter said...
That worm in his brain died of shame.
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Meanwhile, press reports claim a live worm has somehow survived in Biden's dead brain.
How many "The worm has turned for RFK Jr." headlines will we see, eventually?
Surprising that Schlossberg railed on him so much, given his stance here…. The fewer people, the better, for these folks. They don’t realize that if only the elite existed, there’d be no food, or anything else actually.
Well, for a little while, to my surprise, I respected RFK Jr. I was even wondering if I could conceivably vote for him.
That is gone now. Shrug. He’s back to being just another misanthropic leftist, albeit a more eccentric one.
But as others have said, he’s now far more likely to take votes from Biden than he is for Trump. So Godspeed, sir.
"Even if it's full term." It's? Call "it" what it is. A baby.
Of course, this is the position of Biden and most Democrats. But you would never know it given our MSM.
What would he do about this as Pres? Would it be a litmus test for USSC justices?
"What about a teenager, can a woman still abort them? Or, since the human brain is still developing until about age 25, the post-graduate student, after all they are not fully human?"
Maybe it should be legal until viability. Which is defined as the ability to defend yourself against your mother's hitmen.
Maybe - just maybe - this will cause some Republicans/conservatives to toss this guy aside. Finally.
He's correct on the Covid 'vaccines.' He is wrong on everything else.
"i think his feet were supposed to be off camera. I don't like seeing his stocking feet in this context. It's too serious, too deadly. "
At least you can't see his brain worm.
Bobby is a fool for failing to look after his own health. When RFK Jr had memory problems he blamed a tapeworm that ate part of his brain and died. He obviously ingested raw pork. Then there was his mercury poisoning from consuming raw tuna and other fish.
All this stuff with his brain shows up with his vocal distress. He has spasmodic dysphonia a rare neurological condition, in which an abnormality in the brain’s neural network results in involuntary spasms of the muscles that open or close the vocal cords. Damn that worm!
Then there is his permanent AFib condition which can bring on a stroke in a New York Minute. He has been hospitalized several times because of his heart problem, so this is serious. Hopefully, he is taking Eliquis but his strenuous exercise program cannot be helpful with his killer heart condition.
Sadly, the Kennedy Curse is generally self-imposed.
At least he doesn’t have holes in those socks like Adlai Stevenson.
Whew no wonder democrats are scared to death of him. He actually has gotten to the left of democrats on abortion.
Anyone who supports abortion at term is a Nazi. A literal Nazi.
Althouse,
Shows he's honest. It was impolitic to take that position.
Impolitic? How so? That's the position of not just outliers like Kermit Gosnell, but of whole state governments. Former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam spoke about this some years back, saying that in the case of a woman going into labor where the infant was unwanted, the infant would be "made comfortable," and could be resuscitated if the parents wanted it to be.
Now we all know by this point that "comfort care" means, in practice, that the infant is shoved into a supply closet until it can be safely assumed dead. This is just not how you treat someone who is an obvious "person" and a US citizen. Every opportunity must be given the child to live, and at this point the parents' wishes don't come into it at all. It was out of their hands the instant the baby was out of the mother's body. Of course, there may be associated medical expenses. But them's the breaks, yes?
FWIW, I remember seeing, ca. 30 years ago, a report that an abortion provider had attempted to abort a late-second-trimester infant; he succeeded in tearing off one of the kid's arms, but the baby was then born alive. Obviously, the soi-disant mother was suing. Whether it was for the maiming of the child or for its being alive at all was, for the moment, unclear.
Kate said...
"He's also said he'd sign an abortion ban."
Said it then withdrew it.
There is a fundamental problem with full term abortion, and that is the love of Democrats for their neverending culture wars -- not to mention the support they get from otherwise sensible people like Ann Althouse.
What we saw in Virginia when Democrat Ralph Northam was governor was a proposal to extend full term abortion rights to post partum "abortion" for babies born alive. With Democrats in control the proposal didn't fail by much.
Why stop at full term? Why not one month after birth? Why not up to a year after birth? The Democrat's motto.: "Kill the children. And Jews, too!"
I had thought the decision to deny him Secret Service protection was petty and dangerous, but now I'm not so sure....
Sounds like Trump is worried.
"RFK Jr. is a Democrat plant. A radical left liberal who's been put in place in order to help Crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of the United States, get re-elected. A lot of people think junior is a conservative. He's not. By the way, he said the other night that vaccines are fine. For those of you who want to vote because you think he's an anti-vaxxer, he's not really an anti-vaxxer. That's only his political moment. So, RFK's views on vaccines are fake, as is everything else about his candidacy.”
Some statements from Trump on a video he posted on Truth Social
Just heard a clip of one of Biden's incompetent economic bureaucratics.
Astonishing & frighting economic cluelessness.
I'd rather have and "anti-vaxxer!" than a complete liar like Joe biden.
Are we voting for Forced VACCINE Nazis now? Not only is Biden a crook and a liar in every direction - he and his thugs would like to force people to take unproven jabs. Loyalists are cool with it.
LOL, Gadfly- that is a new tactic- "Bobby, stop running or you will die!!!"
Biden's brain is like a bait shop compared to RFK.
Progressive Processes (PP)
The Democrat's motto.: "Kill the children. And Jews, too!"
What happened to pretending they're changing children's sexes with surgery? Are they over that now?
"you ought to read Philip Dick's short story..."
I really do and will. The suggestion is timely as I'm really in this season of trying to find authors I've missed somehow over the years and I've not read his works.
Amazon has wonderful whole collections of older authors for very cheap. I just got Rafael Sabatini's collection (I read a few of his books 20 years ago...) and I see they have a collection of 34 PKD stories for 99 cents. The Pre-Persons isn't part of that one, but I'll hunt it down.
Pro-Jab enthusiasts will stick with Crook Liar Joe.
lol.
Baby’s Lives Don’t Matter. Thank God I got born when I did.
How to make every other statement you've ever made, every speech, every book, every social media post or ad, meaningless. All you need to do is show that you actually have so little regard for life, for the life of a baby, that you are fine with murdering babies out of convenience. That this is your version of standing for women's rights.
There are many things RFK Jr has previously said that I could agree with. Many things he has said that I completely disagree with. But they are all second tier honorable mentions next to this massive hubristic mistake.
Killing a fully developed baby is about as low a standard of character as one could display. Nothing much more to say about RFK Jr. after this. And...I'm fine with that. I count Kennedys as they leave our stage. Yet there are always more following right behind them.
If Biden gets elected the conservatives will not win another election for a long time. Maybe never again. I wonder how the white children of white women who in 2020 and 2024 vote for the left (Biden or Kennedy) will feel when they are forced to abort if their fetus is white. Only minority (black and brown) babies will be allowed. It's coming. If you think this is lunacy or far fetched you don't understand the left.
My next door neighbor has had a Kennedy sign for a month now. Apparently she no longer likes Biden. I guess he wasn't radical enough. The woman lives in a protected cocoon created by those she seeks to destroy.
Go figure.
@Inga: Sounds like Trump is worried
Pfft. He’s thrilled. The more radical RFK is, the better, from his point of view. Do you really expect him to say nice things about the man, driving wavering Republicans towards him and Democrats away from him?
Like all leftists, Inga, you take Trump literally but not seriously. You need to take him seriously but not literally. You would have a much deeper understanding of what is about to happen in November.
Human rites.
Yancey Ward said...
LOL, Gadfly- that is a new tactic- "Bobby, stop running or you will die!!!"
Please. If you cannot read, that is your problem, not mine. Atrial fibrillation is a dangerous condition. Look for Kareem Abdul Jabbar's AFib warnings on TV.
As for 70-year-old Bobby, he does stressful workouts to maintain his impressive muscle structure which could bring on an Afib attack resulting in a stroke. Remember that he has spent time in the hospital because of his heart condition. One look at 75-year-old Kareem will tell you that he has slowed down - it is unlikely that he shoots hoops anymore.
At some point during gestation a zygote/fetus/infant must earn equal Constitutional protection under the 14th Amendment. Otherwise, the humanity and rights of any life depends upon the valuation of another person (mother or whatever). Why stop at full term? Give them a month or year or decade after the birth to see if they like the kid.
Evolutionary stance.
I'm so old I remember democrats were aghast at John Kerry's claim that American soldiers were "Baby Killers" in Vietnam. He even threw his military medals away!
He eventually has been seen with all his military medals proudly gleaming, so there's that.
Evolutionary.
John Pearley Huffman said...
Give them a month or year or decade after the birth to see if they like the kid.
In the interests of equality, give the kid a chance to see if he likes his mother. If not, kill the bitch!
We could use an altar of sorts in the state capitols dedicated to women's rights. Then we could require the aborted mass be incinerated there.
A celebration of rights, as American as the Fourth Of July.
Demos love this, and based on the response to the pro-Hamas protests, don't mind October 7th. Not at all surprising.
I expect Biden to endorse full term abortions, but just for Jews. That should garner some Michigan votes.
But then the Lesbian Lollipop would walk it back to say he only meant Zionists.
Fuck. This. Guy.
It would be easier and safer to deliver the child than to kill a baby in the third trimester.
If the "choice" is to "not be pregnant," delivering the baby makes you not pregnant.
There are millions of Christians -- not Kennedy, obviously -- who would be happy to adopt unwanted babies and love them.
It's a kill-right. He's supporting a kill-right. And he's (implicitly) denying that men have anything to do with this horror show.
"It's your decision, it's none of my business, here's some money, get rid of our child."
That's a coercive and violent attitude for any man to take.
Back in 1973, when liberals were fighting for abortion rights in Texas, they decided not to attack the criminal statute that punished partial-birth abortion with life in prison.
(See Roe v. Wade, first footnote).
So that's where he is. With Mao and Castro, far to the left of Roe v. Wade.
What protections does he have for newborns?
Nada.
What concern does he have for them? What love does he have?
Nada.
JAORE - 8:03
LOL - perfect.
His veep was surprised that he said that.
gadfly said...
Bobby is a fool for failing to look after his own health.
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Says Jabfly, sporting multiple rounds of experimental gene therapy sending spike and lipid nanoparticles throughout his whole body and brain.
Althouse: "I think his feet were supposed to be off camera." No. The wierd atmospherics--the stocking feet, the cute lady interviewer with her feet tucked under her on the sofa--were entirely calculated. This was not intended to be an intellectual discussion. It was a crafted presentation. Somebody thought the socks were a good idea. I think he went shirtless once or twice too. Ugh. We just are not serious.
Hey liberal women. If you don't like the sex of the fetus is it moral to abort after week 14, 18, or, 21 for that reason alone? I'm sure it's done, but not often admitted. }}}}}
A friend of a friend, a female attorney in her early 30's who earns a good salary and has good extended family support, decided to leave her husband (he was admittedly a strange and emotionally abusive man) but she was already a few months pregnant with her second child (first was a daughter.) Then she had an abortion at 24 weeks---because it was a boy. This poor child had to die because he was male. It still shocks me to think about it.
In later term abortions, the baby MUST be delivered--you can't just suck it out like you can before 12 weeks. The baby does not need to be killed in the process of delivering her. The mother does not have to keep the baby after it is delivered live.
A woman may be entitled to be made un-pregnant. I don't think there's any moral basis for her (and, very importantly, not the father) to decree that a viable, delivered baby must be killed.
Trump loves this guy. Big hugs let's bring him to our rallies!
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