"I don't think any informed or knowledgable libertarian or conservative should support Nikki Haley. I've seen her attitude toward our interventions overseas. I've seen her involvement in the military-industrial complex: $8 million being paid to be part of a team. But I've also seen her indicate that she thinks you should be registered to use the internet.... I think she fails to understand our Republic was founded on people like Ben Franklin, Sam Adams, Madison, John Jay, and others who posted routinely, for fear of the government... anonymously. And I think her failure to really understand that or to think that you should register through the government somehow for the internet is something that should disqualify her in the minds of all libertarian-leaning conservatives. So I'm announcing today: I'm Never Nikki."As I look over the field, I don’t think I yet have a first choice, but I do know one thing: count me in as #NeverNikki! pic.twitter.com/0RjbBhnwdc
— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 12, 2024
Here's the website nevernikki.net. It's a little ironic that you'll end up at a form where you can enter your name, email address, and phone number — register — but you can click through and use the site without filling in the form. Click here to bypass the registration form.
When I click on my "Nikki Haley" tag to see what I've found notable about her over the course of the campaign, I see nothing I like. She wanted to require everyone on social media to post under their real names. Her idea for the war against Hamas was, bluntly, "Finish them. Finish them." She called Vivek Ramaswamy "scum." He called her "Dick Cheney in 3-inch heels."...
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Hear!! Hear!!!
Hahaha! Nice touch.
I think many of us are.
Good for him -- though not getting Rand Paul's endorsement isn't exactly going to adversely affect Haley.
(Note to Rand: Lose the shades and get a sound man.)
Haley is still head and shoulders above ANY democrat floating in their cesspool of a bench.
And I’m not a fan.
How dare Rand slander my MICki-NICki Haley
She's Lockheed’s luscious lady
Nikki's my Boeing Bomb Shell
The Halliburton-Hag-From-Hell
America’s Naval-Powered Nimarata
Haley puts the honey in Honeywell!
Our Mutually Assured Destruction Diva
Vote for Nikki,
She’s a keepa!!!
She'll have us shooting $100,000 ATGMs at goat herders again in no time!
It's a little ironic that you'll end up at a form where you can enter your name, email address, and phone number — register
…a little ironic coming from the woman who has censored her own posts advocating for free speech.
No more forms for me. I'm mostly Never Nikki. But seriously, if it comes down to her or Biden, her or Newsom, her or Harris, her or Obama...I'd have no choice. And what could be more American than holding your nose and voting?
I support Rand Paul and wish there were two dozen more like him in Congress, as a start. Nikki is the Non-Player Character of the GOPe, put forward as the candidate of choice. But - she ain't no choice.
Rand Paul for President. Of my heart...
OK, someone has to say it: would Nikki be a factor at all if she were a man?
My guess is Trump would still crap on Rand Paul... not enough gushing loyalty in his statement.
It's a little ironic that you'll end up at a form where you can enter your name, email address, and phone number — register — but you can click through and use the site without filling in the form.
Another word that become irretrievably corrupted in meaning through mis-use. I blame that damm Alanis Morissette song.
Both the DMV and my auto insurance company collect my name, address, and money but there is a fundamental difference between one transaction and the other.
Good on him.
I'll never vote for a woman for president.
(I know a lot of them.)
Why Haley is a very interesting question, isn't it? A Never-Trumper should have been behind Ron DeSantis right out of the gate, right? Perhaps Chuck and the mini-Chuck gang can explain exactly what their problem with DeSantis is, and why Haley was always the only option for which they advocated.
apparently, there are people, HERE that support Nikki..
Can you tell me Why (if you don't; i Don't Care Why YOU don't.. I want to hear from her people).
Again,
i'd like to hear from people that support her.. Because i can't for the life of me imagine WHY you would
Also, please mention when you last voted republican.. I'm thinking that Any one that says they support her is a "life long republican" that has NEVER voted for any non dem in their life.
IF you ARE a republican.. And Vote republican.. And support Nikki, please explain why? i'd like to hear
i'd Much rather have another 4 years of resident Biden (and a repubican senate), than Nikki
i'd rather have another 4 years of resident Biden (without a republican congress) than Nikki
Nikki strikes me as Evil, incarnate.. Biden is just an empty pair of Depends (well, not That empty)
I can't say I'm never Nikki when I'm never Biden, Harris, Newsom, Obama, and Clinton over all. Although, perhaps more this year than any other, I'm tired of voting for the Republican that is lesser of two evils compared to a Democrat. Perhaps Democrats can field someone against a Cinderella Nikki that makes it to the general that would cause me to say, "f' it, I'm staying home". But if that same Cinderella Nikki was against Biden, Harris and for damn sure M. Obama; I'm putting in a vote for Nikki. I can then watch the typical media hysteria jump in to prevent the worst excesses of Nikki Haley.
OT:
meanwhile:
The Democrat-supported lab in Wuhan china - is experimenting with a new deadly virus.
Taken from Pangoiuns and delivered to mice. Result? Dead mice - infected their brains and killed them dead, fast.
why would this be necessary unless it's a weapon of mass destruction?
See here.
I haven't heard it yet, but eventually she will give someone a reason to brand her Tricky Nikki.
As a libertarian-leaning conservative, this is where I'm at on Nikki Haley.
"In a city of darkness there’s no need of the sun"
Did Haley back off on her 'registering for the internet'? I seem to remember that, but I'm not certain.
I will vote against every single democrat.
So if she's left standing then she gets my vote by default.
And as soon as she gets in I would work to get her sorry (and not very bright) ass out of office.
As I read of the increasing military response in the Mideast by the US and its allies, I can only agree.
I miss the days of unexpanding wars under Trump.
I just spent 4 hours trying to renew my ham license through a succession of non-working pages, switching browsers, and so forth, to find a winning combination. They want to know if I've been convicted of any felonies, so that seems to be a free speech constraint. Also it suddenly costs $35, up from $10 and after that free. They take credit cards, though that's the page that didn't work.
Foretaste of registering for the internet.
Rand Paul is right. I wish Nikki would stop texting me.
Agree with Rand Paul.
End of story.
Agree with Temujin. I won't vote for a corruptocrat under any circumstance. She will get my vote if she wins the nomination.
Not that I'd be happy about holding my nose and voting for war-machine Nikki.
I’ve been a fan of Rand Paul ever since finding out that he provided free eye surgery for the indigent, and made trips —at his expense — to countries like Haiti to provide free cataract surgery. The contrast with Democrat senators, such as Menendez, who believe that charity means helping Arab nations dispose of their excess gold bars, is pretty stark.
I fully agree with his assessment of Ms. Haley.
yes - how did Nikki get all of our phone numbers?
Creeepy.
The texting is so annoying.
South Carolina: the gift that keeps on giving (and taking back) to the Republican Party. The curse of John C. Calhoun?
On the other hand, Rand Paul, as I did in my own libertarian youth, represents a conceptual purity that deals in "never" and "always" in a shifty game of chance, where we mostly just try to limit our losses.
Yancy Ward writes, "Perhaps Chuck and the mini-Chuck gang can explain exactly what their problem with DeSantis is..."
What leads to believe LLR Chuck is a Republican, a libertarian, or anything other than a strutting doctrinaire Brownshirt employed by the DNC to disrupt the Althouse platform?
Given that Haley’s strongest argument is foreign policy, especially diplomatic, experience, it’s scary how many times she has “misspoken”. She technically didn’t retract her no anonymity idea, but she did “provide context.” She couldn’t handle a simple question about the Civil War from a child. She attacked DeSantis over coddling Disney after she herself courted a Disney move to South Carolina.
She is just not ready for prime time.
I will say, if it's Haley-Biden I'd have to vote Haley. Although, I am unaware of her stance on continuing the insane, headlong degradation of our transportation and power grid. If she's on board with that too, it would be the last straw. I would do something I've never done before; sit out.
Next up, Text Offenders.
Paul has always had his head up trumps butt, and all but the very delusional folks know trump wins nomination andvthen gets battered in the general by sleepy, very sleepy JOE worsevthan last drubbing.THis is all just media fodder that the right keeps playing.They'll have to vote for a convicted felon and n<o problem with that.
What a brave stand to take! Now tell me, when at any time in this election cycle has Nikki had any indication of winning, as indicated by any polling data, ever? Right, never. Again, what a brave stand to take!
Now do Christie, who already dropped out. That, too, would be very brave.
I’m never Nicky but I would take Nicky over Biden every day.
"So I'm announcing today: I'm Never Nikki."
Welcome aboard. I've always been Never Nikki. Never RINOs.
Very clever. And effective. But people in general in an election season are too quick in trying to be clever. I wouldn't say "never Nikki". And quite a few on here already have. I happen to remember her as our U.N. Ambassador, where she was effective and where her propensity to try to sound masculinely strong was appropriate in defense of American interests. That propensity drives her to say dumb things in election circumstances. Dumb things that she probably doesn't even believe. But she's still 3 or 4 levels smarter (and 9 or 10 levels more pro-American) than Biden, Harris, Newsom, or the most masculine Obama (Michelle).
So yeah, Gilbar, I'd vote for Nikki over anyone on that side.
Of the candidates remaining in the Republican primary Nikki Haley is my last choice.
I never vote Democrat. Republicans are not the solution to all our problems but the Democrats are definitely the cause.
Chuck is a Haley supporter? Why am I not surprised?
@rhhardin said: "I just spent 4 hours trying to renew my ham license through a succession of non-working pages, switching browsers, and so forth, to find a winning combination."
If you think that's bad, I tried to pay my Federal Taxes yesterday. I do this online, because the IRS established a handy, secure site for this about 20 years ago, and it has worked very well. Nothing fancy, purely functional.
Too well, it seems. This time, before it would log me in, I was instructed that from now on, one has to use a New! Improved! website just for logging in. And it's run by the Federal Government, who have settled on the catchy name, 'login.gov'.
Yes, that's right. In order to pay the government your money, you first have to spend 20 minutes or so proving to the government you are you, by establishing a whole new authenticated account to demonstrate that it's actually you, before you can prove it to them all over again by paying your money.
Wait'll you get to try that one on.
Nikki over any D.
Pretty much any other R over Nikki.
Why is it seeming like DC's either turned into a High School scenario, with all sorts of ineffective cliques fighting for increasingly less sensible policies - or an old-folk's HOA group, trying hard to impose their ideas of what the neighborhood should be like on every homeowner - even the ones who aren't part of the HOA?
Man, it's tiresome watching what's coming out of DC. Any chance they could just leave us alone for a few decades?
I'm not a sexist like Narr. See: Margaret Thatcher. Also, most of the worst leftist leaders (and followers) I can think of are men. And I can think of hundreds of them, important and irrelevant.
But it would be weirdly galling to have a president called Nikki.
I just spent 4 hours trying to renew my ham license through a succession of non-working pages, switching browsers, and so forth, to find a winning combination. They want to know if I've been convicted of any felonies, so that seems to be a free speech constraint. Also it suddenly costs $35, up from $10 and after that free. They take credit cards, though that's the page that didn't work.
Foretaste of registering for the internet.
What? No double-nested two-factor authentication? Must be the bureaucrats are freeing things up for election season…
Yep. I'm NeverNikki and I'm a neverChristie, a neverPence, a neverHutchinson, a neverBush, and a NeverNeverTrumper.
I will vote NOT for GOPe again. Ever. Country before Party. Principles before power.
Dontchaknow.
I will say this for Nikki Haley. She's somewhat honest. Unlike McCain, Bush, and Romney she's come out 4-square for endless wars, endless foreign aid, cutting medicare and security, supporting abortion rights and social liberalism,requiring everyone to use their real names on the internet, unlimted immigration, outsourcing, and fighting climate change.
She's called anyone who opposes her "scum". And anyone who doesn't hate Putin or Genociding Gazans a "Traitor".
GOPe with an honest streak.
I'm shocked that a boomer like Senator Paul wasn't taken in by the cute smile and the brown skin.
I'm never Nikki. She's too corporatist and deep state. She would fold in no time flat if someone challenged her on a conservative issue. She's a squish.
"I'm not a sexist like Narr."
It's a gift.
rcocean: there is an actual door candidates walk through to sign papers pledging to lie to the public on behalf of Club for Growth, whose goals are open borders, followed by legalizing drugs. Police hating is just something they do to spread chaos.
Its just like ANTIFA, if ANTIFA wore $10,000 suits, owned global billionaire businesses, betrayed real libertarian (old school) principles of respecting local law enforcement, opposing illegal immigration, supporting American First and ideological isolationism, and opposed legalizing drugs.
In exchange, candidates get Conservatism, Inc, the RINOS, and their powerful indebted friends.
In 2016, Trump was the only person who did not walk through that door. But they soiled his administration in other ways. Nikki is their candidate this time. She's Marco Rubio in pants. To his credit, Rand Paul avoids them.
I wonder if Haley will walk back or otherwise defend her statements about the internet.
I believe I’ve said before, I like Haley, going back to her tenure as governor of SC. However, she has said some stupid stuff up to this point. I think she’s playing all angles, but that just doesn’t work, definitely not in this current political climate and with the extent of social media.
She’s set herself up to loose and win nobody’s vote (or her PR firm has). I’d only vote (President/VP) if there’s no other choice.
I've been suspect of Haley since her governor days. She is smart enough to remember canned responses. But seldom does she anchor her responses to her core values. It's a neat trick Politicians use. They think it keeps them from saying something that might alienate a voter or two, but only manages to make them come across as pandering.
Part of evaluating a politicians positions is knowing who they are indebted to.
Haley is a good person and she would probably be OK. But she will do nothing to start dismantling the Administrative State. Her backers are the administrative state. If not Trump, then Desantis.
Love or hate Paul. His values never waiver. (he is also fearless and way smarter than Fauci.)
Tina Trent said...
"But it would be weirdly galling to have a president called Nikki."
Several women in my family named Domenica are probably giving you the mal occhio right now.
The only candidate who could make me vote for Joe Biden is Nikki Haley. At that point, it’s “let’s just get this over with.”
Why do you hate democracy so much, Jerry?
HOAs are the quintessential democratic (small d) organization.
Voluntary membership, don't like it don't buy a home there.
Don't like the rules? Do you go to the meetings and argue against them? Do you organize your neighbors to get rules changed?
Or to elect officers more amenable to your views?
It it trivially easy to get elected to office and/or board of most HOAs in the us.
If course, just whinging about the hoa is even easier.
And mostly pure, unadulterated, industrial grade horseshit.
And yes, I see bitching about HOAs all the time. Hear it personally from my neighbors too whenever I take a turn in the barrel.
Mitch McConnell pick. No thanks.
"Voluntary membership, don't like it don't buy a home there."
Agreed. However, since "it's trivially easy to get elected to office and/or board of most HOAs", the rules one agreed to when one bought cannot be depended on to be stable. Working people, especially those who are also raising families, don't have endless amounts of time to go to meetings and organize their neighbors in order to defend their preferences from those who do have that sort of time.
Bottom line- If HOAs work for you, great. I, however, would never, ever live in an HOA community again. And I would suggest that anybody considering one to think long and hard (*really* long and hard) about what that choice entails.
Never Nickki for the same reason as Never Mittens or Never McCain.
Little Nikki. She needs a more serious sounding nikkname. Nikita.
Mason G,
It varies from state to state but here HOAs have 2 sets of rules.
One is deed covenants. These are in the master deed for the development and repeated in the individual deeds. Things like no animals other than dogs and cats. Single family houses. Broad architect guidelines, establishment of an hoa and mandatory membership. About a legal page and a half in our case.
God might be able to change them but pretty much nobody else.
Then we have bylaws proposed by owners, including officers and directors and presented at the annual meeting where they are voted in or out by all homeowners.
Keeping it going does take some effort but I think it is worth it. I've probably been a director and/or officer about half the 42 years I've lived here. Not all at once and not recently.
John Henry
Thankvs, Rocco. And I have a busy day tomorrow, so I'll never figure out which of them got me.
Checking my car insurance details now.
Any chance you can tell them I have pictures of the Virgin Mary all over my house and say a rosary a day?
I get it. No chance.
Why do you hate democracy so much, Jerry?
HOAs are the quintessential democratic (small d) organization.
Voluntary membership, don't like it don't buy a home there.
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And that's the key - VOLUNTARY.
Mrs. Grundy is a retiree with a lot of time on her hands, living in a neighborhood with an HOA and pretty lenient covenants. She decides that she hates the colors olive, blue, green and brown, and there's a LOT of houses with those shades around. She can, slightly, stand shades of pink. But she dislikes seeing any sort of window treatments from the street, and the grass MUST be kept to within 1/4th inch of 1.5 inches high. Oh, and she doesn't like Bermuda - it's all spiky and nasty. She'll tolerate bluegrass and zoysia.
She gets into the HOA, gets some like-minded retired friends who think it's funny to support her, and all of a sudden she's got enough clout to implement what SHE wants.
So the directives go out. Houses must be painted an 'approved' shade, such shade changing according to her whims on a given day. Homeowners have two months to get their houses painted, or there will be a $50 fine per week. And there's no guarantee that the approved shade Mrs. Grundy signs off on today will be okay in two months.
No window treatments shall be visible from the street, or there's a $50 fine per week. People complain, but "What are you doing that you want to hide in there? Do we need a morals clause in the HOA guidelines?"
Her friends go around measuring the grass on a daily basis, with a $50 fine per day when it's too long - or too short. Half the lawns in the neighborhood have Bermuda - so they've got to rip out and re-sod - but Mrs. Grundy's nice - it's only $100 a month to keep that nasty stuff in your yard.
People complain about the arbitrary, expensive changes but are told smugly: "You knew this was an HOA area. If you don't like it, you should have run for office. You can run again to change things at the next election. Until then, you can play along or get out."
Most of the folks in the neighborhood are working professionals. They didn't give much thought to a change in HOA administration, because frankly it's a pretty decent neighborhood, good schools and the like. But they didn't anticipate a loon taking over and deciding that things had to change to suit her whims.
Some are thinking about bailing - but they'd have to repaint their houses or rip out their lawns to match the HOA covenants before selling. Essentially, they're trapped.
HOA elections are every 4 years. Until then, Mrs. Grundy's in charge.
So - is this 'small d Democracy'? Or a dictatorship? Or something else?
Mason G said:
"However, since "it's trivially easy to get elected to office and/or board of most HOAs", the rules one agreed to when one bought cannot be depended on to be stable."
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Stability's something that we really need - but DC doesn't see any utility in. In order for most of their offices to justify their existence, new rules and regulations have to come out often even if they're not especially needed. (Look at the proposed gas stove, gas water heater regulations that were suggested, then shot down.)
A decade hiatus on new regulations and rulemaking wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO. But a bureaucracy's got to show how useful it is - so that's unlikely to happen.
I've often thought that we need to roll a lot of government regulation
If the government won’t stop the NFL from putting games on Peacock, I’m going to become an even bigger libertarian. ~ Rand Paul
"But seriously, if it comes down to her or Biden, her or Newsom, her or Harris, her or Obama...I'd have no choice."
Sure you do -- don't vote for any of them. It's not like your vote is going to change the outcome. Why make yourself feel even a little complicit in the selection of someone you think is terrible?
Interestingly, our backyard fighting eye doctor has started "Never Nikki" because Haley made money supporting defense contractors but he has nary a criticism of his hero Donald Trump's dishonesty and violation of the law including his business fraud guilt in New York to the tune of $370M and his golf course income increases as a result of Saudi Mohammed bin Salman inviting Trump aboard the Saudi LIV golf investment, adding Trump Doral and Trump Bedminster to host tournaments in exchange for Trump's whitewashing the Prince's murder of Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. MBS also passed $2 billion in bribes to Jared Kushner.
Trump has been found guilty of money laundering in NJ, and for stealing $25M tuition from Trump University students, and of course, we know about his violations of the Constitution's Foreign Emoluments Clause. Declaring bankruptcy four times has cost Trump investors, employees, and suppliers millions upon millions of dollars and he walked scot-free. Donnie got away with cheating on his Federal taxes and his All County Supply and Maintenance company is an interesting read.
And yes, Virginia, Trump is currently under indictment for two more civil suits in NY, and two criminal indictments by Jack Smith and the Georgia RICO case.
All is fair and love takes hold when you are a MAGA supporter. But an $8M increase in wealth by the Haley family is unacceptable because she doesn't have a court case to defend, I guess.
Jerry said...
"Stability's something that we really need - but DC doesn't see any utility in."
This is a problem, no doubt. Suppose Trump is elected next year- one might be able to make some assumptions about how his administration will act. But in four years? Who knows what comes next. 180 degree policy flip-flops ("drill, baby, drill!" vs. "shut it all down!") every four years or so are not conducive to a functioning economy.
Gadfly: Haley's profits come from engaging us in foreign wars. Conservatives and those being smeared with the isolationist slur -- which is a philosophy that needs to be comprehended beyond the slur, especially as those who identify with it also stepped up and still step up in far greater numbers than any demographic group to fight wars that enrich Haley's agencies of graft. Remember, Lindbergh was also feeding information about Nazi Air Power, remember Lindbergh fought valiantly for the allies through an international Allied unit after FDR threw him under the bus.
Haley's graft buys us foreign wars and body bags. What did Trump do? Allegedly engage in some mortgage fiddling over hotels and golf courses in NYC,or not, decades ago?
Nobody died. Nobody cares if Trump and his bankers mutually spit-shined a few properties in Manhattan in 1990. It's a choice between starting World War Three for your financial sponsors or a little hanky panky in the most grift-mired building environment on earth.
That's why we care about one and not the other.
Tina, I don't recall Lindbergh serving in any "Allied" unit--he was a consultant for one of the aircraft manufacturers and was able to wrangle some combat time in the Pacific while on their dime.
Other than that, right on.
Narr, he tried to serve through America but was refused. He found some way to fly for the Allies. I think the British helped somehow, but my focus was his wife, and I'm not very informed on battles and the machinery of war, though I love the Hardcore Historian podcast.
I also still think there's good reason to believe, something I see in his wife's far more extensive diplomatic diaries, that Lindbergh was flattering the Nazis in part to stay in Germany to relay needed air power intelligence to FDR, who bungled up a lot and was vindictive in many ways. Lindbergh was a complicated man, but he was an American patriot and didn't walk away from serving courageously in a war he didn't want the U.S. to enter -- or fail at, if doing so.
I was lucky to spend two years studying under one of the greatest Lindbergh historians: Justus Doenecke. One of my tutorials consisted of reading every published page of both of the Lindberghs' decades of daily diaries and reporting back about Anne Morrow. Of course, the information about the German wives and children weren't yet publicly known. But what a way to learn history. Back when New College was a real, intellectual, 'great books' school.
Tina, acc. to Wikipedia and the Lindbergh site, he did all his wartime service as a consultant for Ford and United Aircraft. No mention of any "Allied" unit--just USAAC and Marine Corps squadrons in the Pacific.
His contribution (other than downing one Jap a/c and dropping bombs) was figuring out how to extend the range of American fighters.
Even I find some things to admire about FDR, but his treatment of those who crossed or embarrassed him was almost always, as you put it, vindictive.
I get a lot of reccos for Hardcore History, but always from non-historians. Sooner or later I'll take a look-see and listen.
Hardcore History is great, especially the WWI and WW II editions. The description of the dramatic ways war itself changed during WWI should be part of any modern discussion about foreign engagements.
In North to the Orient, Anne Morrow Lindbergh describes how she and her husband flew a small plane into central China in 1931, nearly flipping into the water as they tried to aide flood victims of the Great Yellow River flood of that year, as there were no other ways to reach them. It's amazing to read this now, and think about how connected the world has become.
She hated flying, but helped open a good percentage of the first flight routes to South America and the Far East, flying alone with her husband in two seater planes. A good wife?
Lindbergh went to the Pacific, of course, because he wouldn't attract as much attention in the boonies.
OK, I made it almost the whole way through Carlin's podcast comparing the German armies of the two World Wars.
He refers to a person he calls Halmar Schlacht when he means Hjalmar (Horace Greeley) Schacht; he spends half the time quoting Speer and Guderian slagging Fat Hermann (nothing wrong with that in itself, of course); he implies that the top generals of the Kaiser's army were not judged by their politics but by their skills (I guess he doesn't realize that the Prussian and Bavarian crown princes were given commands because of their high birth); and he says that Hitler killed a lot of his best generals, such as Rommel, because they weren't ideological enough--leaving aside the fact that he started killing generals in any numbers because they had tried to kill him first (20 July 1944).
Not that impressed.
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