My intent by this proclamation is to pardon only the offenses of simple possession of marijuana, attempted simple possession of marijuana, or use of marijuana in violation of the Federal and D.C. laws... This pardon does not apply to individuals who were non-citizens not lawfully present in the United States at the time of their offense....
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"A Proclamation on Granting Pardon for the Offense of Simple Possession of Marijuana, Attempted Simple Possession of Marijuana, or Use of Marijuana."
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And then goes on to pardoning crack and coke felons like his son.
I've been expecting the admin to move on pot; it's low-hanging fruit for trying to build goodwill from the left, especially younger voters. My guess is that they'll push through dropping marijuana to Schedule II or III sometime early next year.
So, this will release how many people from jail? None or close to it. And it isn't like the federal government has been prosecuting any such cases the last 5 years. This seems like an empty gesture.
How many people were rejected for firearms purchases during the COVID-19 era because of marijuana? Joe's pardoning everyone so Hunter can make the gun charges go away?
ATF Form 4473 (August 2023; required for firearm purchases from dealers). See the first item on page 2:
"f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
Buying the Stoner vote. We'll see how that works.
It is a win-win move by Biden. It probably applies to about 11 people who plead down from much more severe charges, but so what? And believe you me, I would prefer to see him lose...
Joe Biden: pardoned cannabis users.
Trump: wants to pardon the insurrectionists.
I fail to understand the logic behind pardoning only the customers involved in what was at the time an illegal activity.
In I might also add that we are in some cases making criminals for past activities which were not crimes at the time.
Also I’m going to state that a fairly large percentage of the persons to which this applies were at various times involved in the sale of weed.
Additionally, does this pardon apply to simple possession convictions that occur in the future since it is still illegal at the federal level?
OT, but just in: USSC rejects Jack Smith appeal to expedite.
At least this will eliminate the talking point that the federal prisons are supposedly full of people convicted of simple possession.
Is Joe going to dip into the Treasury and give the potheads their fine money back?
In the event some people are released from custody, will they commit other (unrelated) offenses?
Most of those actually convicted of possession have pled down from charges like possession with intent to distribute. My source (for Freder’s sake) is a current prosecutor in New Jersey who is my daughter’s oldest and closest friend. I’ve known her since she was 12.
So if I read Biden’s proclamation correctly, these are the people who will be pardoned. But Joe will undoubtedly bloviate about how these are innocent people who were just caught in a cruel and unfair legal system.
Another question. Will these pardoned felons now be entitled to vote? Biden really is a scumbag, isn’t he.
Additionally, does this pardon apply to simple possession convictions that occur in the future since it is still illegal at the federal level?
Nope, anyone busted in the future can still be prosecuted. But, as I said above, I expect that they'll move marijuana down to schedule II or III next year, probably before the convention, making it legal with a prescription.
Scott Adams has written time and time again that this was low hanging fruit that Trump and his supporters egregiously refused to pick. Had Trump advocated this, he would have won the youth vote and would now be President. Not my opinion, but it's Adam's, and he's a strong supporter of Trump.
My redneck brother once said, "If the government would just let us have our pot and our guns, we would be happy." I see this as one step closer to the redneck utopia thus prophesied, although Biden and guns remain a big issue for the rednecks.
"Something is burning, baby, are you aware?"
I guess that’s one way to get a few extra votes when you are down in the polls.
I am sure this is just a campaign ploy to pump up the youth vote. What he should be doing is pushing to completely decriminalize it at the federal level. Many states, including all of Wisconsin's neighbors (although I'm not 100% sure about Iowa) have already decriminalized it. Having it legal in some states and illegal at the federal level invites selective prosecution. If we haven't seen any marijuana vendors from states that have legalized it hauled into federal court yet, it's just because the DOJ hasn't found any that are a danger to the deep state and the democratic party. If the possibility of abuse exists, rest assure it will be taken advantage of at some point.
I agree with this. Marijuana possession is chicken shit crime.
But the destruction of our cities will continue under the liberal Soros DAs and Biden's open southern border. In Milwaukee you can get crack, heroine, and fentanyl deilivered as faster than a pizza. They're not going to do a damn thing about it...and Milwaukee will continue to decline.
Hobbits just want to grill.
Now we know what desperation looks like.
Desperation. The polls are forcing Biden to shoot his wads way too early to influence the target voting constituencies.
Pardoning federal charges doesn't do a thing for someone charged in state or municipal court, does it?
Seems like this is mostly vapor, pardoning people who got busted at national parks and the DC Mall.
Puff the hallucinating druggie, flew over the Rainbow, way up yonder.
Is there precedent for mass pardons? Perhaps from the Civil War era? It seems to be an overreach, but perhaps it is grounded in precedent. Makes it easy for Trump to follow along behind with a mass pardon for the J6 victims, so perhaps it is a good precedent to set.
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"At least this will eliminate the talking point that the federal prisons are supposedly full of people convicted of simple possession."
According to previous partisan rhetoric, this one act should lower the Federal prison population by 20%.
It seems inevitable that Marijuana will be decriminalized at the Federal level. While I don't personally like marijuana I don't think people should be criminally punished for pot, though I'm more ambivalent about more serious drugs, like cocaine, Crystal Meth, or fentanyl.
I'll be more impressed when they remove Marijuana as a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act.
As they stated on the TV news, no one will be released from prison due to this.
A blanket pardon for any and all criminals accused of this crime ( and I assume it is federal only??? ) seems pretty damn broad. So another POTUS can pardon all federal theft crimes? I guess so? All federal security crimes? Federal money laundering, human trafficking, murder?
Seems quite ridciulous. At least the potatus should have to name names.
Abuse of discretion and pardon power. I don't believe the authority was intended to rule that a law is basically null and void. Pardon power should be limited to individuals based upon their particular circumstances, and not as a substitute for repealing legislation or overriding criminal laws, convictions, or punishment that an executive doesn't agree with.
I guess this order includes young black men railroaded by Kamala Harris when she was the San Francisco DA and later when she was California's AG?
“I'll be more impressed when they remove Marijuana as a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act.”
Richie ridin’ dat dragon… floating on intoxicating blasts of stupefaction.
"According to previous partisan rhetoric, this one act should lower the Federal prison population by 20%."
Should do better than that, the murderers and rapists have already been released.
I guess this order includes young black men railroaded by Kamala Harris when she was the San Francisco DA and later when she was California's AG
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Doubtful. Those would have been state crimes, not federal.
Is there precedent for mass pardons? Perhaps from the Civil War era? It seems to be an overreach, but perhaps it is grounded in precedent. Makes it easy for Trump to follow along behind with a mass pardon for the J6 victims, so perhaps it is a good precedent to set.
Carter pardoned all the draft-dodgers.
Pardoning federal charges doesn't do a thing for someone charged in state or municipal court, does it?
Seems like this is mostly vapor, pardoning people who got busted at national parks and the DC Mall.
Pretty much. The feds really don't care about simple possession, so most of the people charged with that were the result of plea bargains.
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Desperation. The polls are forcing Biden to shoot his wads way too early to influence the target voting constituencies.
Bingo. My longstanding theory regarding the Dobbs leak is that it came from the WH: someone at SCOTUS gave them a copy of Alito's draft as a heads-up, and the admin leaked it to Politico in order to shift the news away from its other problems.
Just wondering how many of these who were jailed for simple possession of marijuana etc. had plea bargained down from a felony to this lesser charge because of an overworked court system.
Faggot Rich cannot stop himself from lying.
Mass pardon. Equals erasure of the law about marijuana use. I didn't know our Constitution allowed the President to erase laws. Doesn't this make anyone worry about Our Democracy?
In October, 2022 he did this for simple possession. This adds "attempted simple possession" and "use" to the pardoned crimes. It is essentially a reissue of the previous proclamation for the same political reasons.
Some people seem to have memory issues. Can't imagine why.
1. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-10467-granting-pardon-for-the-offense-simple-possession-marijuana
2. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/12/22/a-proclamation-on-granting-pardon-for-the-offense-of-simple-possession-of-marijuana-attempted-simple-possession-of-marijuana-or-use-of-marijuana/
First, let me state that I'm someone who said that they should have never made marijuana illegal in the first place, and I used to think that legalization was the path to fixing the problem.
Don't believe that, any more. I fear we got ourselves into a really bad place with having made narcotics a "controlled" substance, but having gotten to where we are, today? I have no idea how to get out of the situation.
Drugs are the main reason you see the homelessness problem. It's become very apparent, very quickly, that many people are not capable of self-managing legalized drugs. This is what has me re-thinking the entire premise I once believed in, that legalization was a good idea.
All that said...? It is ridiculous that a president can sit there in the White House and obviate an entire law or class of laws with the stroke of a pen. Individual pardons? Maybe those should still be in the purview of the executive, but something like this? He shouldn't be able to do it. Carter shouldn't have been able to do what he did, either.
If you're going to overrule the legislature? That power should not be in the executive branch; maybe they should have to submit such blanket pardons to Congress, and then Congress votes on whether or not to allow such a thing to go through. Along with re-writing the or doing away with the underlying legislation.
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