७ नोव्हेंबर, २०२३

"When Trump was president I started every morning by reading the New York Times, followed by the Washington Post, and would track both papers’ websites..."

"... regularly throughout the day. To be less than vigilant was to fall behind.... My friend Mike likened this constant monitoring to having a second job. It was exhausting, and the moment that Biden was sworn in to office I let it all go. When the new president speaks, I feel the way I do on a plane when the pilot announces that after reaching our cruising altitude he will head due north, or take a left at Lake Erie. You don’t need to tell me about your job, I always think. Just, you know, do it. It’s so freeing, no longer listening to political podcasts—no longer being enraged...."

Wrote David Sedaris, in "Happy-Go-Lucky," which came out in 2022 (I earn a commission through that link).

I recalled that passage as I was listening to Monday's NYT "Daily" podcast, "Swing State Voters Are Souring on Biden/A new Times/Siena poll finds Donald Trump leading President Biden in five of six key battlegrounds."

Nate Cohen: Back when Donald Trump was doing poorly among [black and Hispanic people], it was like there was a controversial or racist remark in the news every week, right?... And that hasn’t been true for a while. And I think that can be an important part of why he’s able to make gains among these voting blocs when he hasn’t done so in the past.... In 2016, he was offensive to both Black and Latino voters and did terribly among both. In 2020, he still campaigned against immigration, but it was no longer the focus of that election — Black Lives Matter, defund the police was. He does way better among Latino voters while still struggling among Black voters.... 
Michael Barbaro: [T]hat could amount to a realignment between the parties...
Nate Cohen: I mean, this is a dissatisfied, disaffected, disengaged electorate that doesn’t like their choices. These are the textbook conditions for political volatility. It’s also the conditions for political upheaval, right? This is when realigning elections happen....

One might say, perhaps, that people were hyper-vigilant when Trump was President and that Biden seemed to offer a chance to disengage. 

Meade said to me yesterday morning that he'd been imagining a lot of disengaged people who'd go along with the vague idea I think Biden has done a good job.

We were talking about that later in the day as we were out walking the lake path. In the course of our discussion of what's going on with the distanced and disengaged American public, Meade happened to say those words out loud — "I think Biden has done good job"just as a man and a woman were passing us. The woman — who'd heard the line out of context — said, "I agree!"

१०६ टिप्पण्या:

Jupiter म्हणाले...

I wonder if it hurts to be that stupid.

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

Everyone where you live thinks Biden has done a good job.

That's part of the problem.

Original Mike म्हणाले...

"When the new president speaks, I feel the way I do on a plane when the pilot announces that after reaching our cruising altitude he will head due north, or take a left at Lake Erie. You don’t need to tell me about your job, I always think. Just, you know, do it. It’s so freeing, no longer listening to political podcasts—no longer being enraged...."

The only thing I knew of David Sedaris is that he is a favorite of yours. I now know two things; I also know that he compared Joe Biden with that in control image we (mostly) all have of airline pilots. I gotta say, this does not bode well for my opinion of David Sedaris.

rcocean म्हणाले...

Cohen is lying. In 2016, Trump did about as well among Hispanic/black voters as the other 21st century Republican candidates have. In 2020, he did BETTER than any other Republican POTUS candidate.

And why lump hispanics and blacks together? blacks vote D 85-95 percent in EVERY POTUS election. No matter what. And have for 50 years.

Hispanics are different. And Trump did about as well in 2016 as Bush, McCain or Romney and improved his standing in 2020. The lowpoint for R's with Hispanics came in 2012 with Mittens, who turned off Latinos.

Kevin म्हणाले...

Meade happened to say those words out loud — "I think Biden has done good job"

How did the sentence end?

Enigma म्हणाले...

Trump punching back at women in public caused many women to turn him off immediately. It didn't matter if they agreed with his policies, he was "rude" and "mean" and didn't treat them "like ladies." Say what you will, many women still expect men to open the door, pay for dinner, and be gentlemen.

Implicit-assumptions tradition-minded "lady" voters will stand by their man regardless of policies (i.e., Hillary and Bill) as long as their man behaves as a tamed and harnessed beast. Trump punching back at the Gold Star wives and The Squad and Hillary and Nancy was political poison with their female supporters. If he gets re-elected and does it again? Groundhog Day...ugg....

BarrySanders20 म्हणाले...

Breathe deep the air inside the paper bag inside your comfort bubble, neurotic urban man. Trump didn't round up the gays last time, did he? But he might next time if he gets the chance ...

Kakistocracy म्हणाले...

What these polls reflect is that there is little enthusiasm for Biden — this is hardly a surprise. But the path to victory for Biden last time, and his path to victory next time, would be through the turnout of the "anti-Trump" vote — anything but Trump voters will swing it if they come out to vote.

The question is whether they've forgotten the perils of Trump and will stay home because Biden is uninspiringly boring (which to be fair is actually not a bad thing).

wendybar म्हणाले...

I guess ignorance really is bliss....

rcocean म्हणाले...

Hispanics in POTUS elections voted pretty much the same for 2016 Trump, Romney, McCain. They voted in lower percentages for Dole and Bush I.

Bush II got 35 percent in 2000. That's the high point. So doing well, so even the best isn't that high. Trump in 2020 got 32 percent.

SteveWe म्हणाले...

"Voters Are Souring on Biden"

I should hope so, after three years of his "leadership" -- whoever they are.

PerthJim म्हणाले...

My wife is certainly one of the disengaged people. She has opinions on things, abortion, Israel, crime, etc. but would rather go about her day not thinking about politics at all. She was unhappy during the Trump years, not just because she disliked Trump, but because she heard way more about politics than she wanted.

I think she would agree with "Biden has done a good job", but it's not so much that she agrees with his policies but because she hears less about it than she did under Trump. In that sense, the dialing back of the daily press coverage of the president's antics, and the less continuous expressions of anger in the press and in social media have worked to Biden's advantage (probably by design).

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

He has done a great job of not being Trump. POTUS? Not so much.

I bet the couple who passed you have government jobs or are "educators."

Here in Illinois, wirepoints.org/1-2-million-illinois-public-school-children-cant-read-at-grade-level-and-yet-legislature-unions-push-to-kill-states-only-school

n.n म्हणाले...

Trump's major weakness is that he didn't follow through on one, two, more campaign promises (e.g. Medicare, Medicaid... Obamacares reform). However, people wonder what would have been if not for the insurrectionists's pride and progress.

Clyde म्हणाले...

Life was better in America when the Bad Orange Man was in office. Everything that Biden* has touched since he was installed has turned to shit. Everyone in America knows it, it's just that some have so much cognitive dissonance that they can't admit it.

Kakistocracy म्हणाले...

The core issue about 2024 electability is not about economics at all but rather the lack of connection between Joe Biden and average American voters. This lack of connection has been evident since his failed 1988 run for the presidency and his rarely mentioned 2007 effort. And Biden barely won in 2020 in what should have been a landslide. And at age 81 (next month) this lack of connection is magnified.

It is not the record but the aging personality. You just can't gussy up an 81-year-old into something younger and more dynamic.

The wonderful economic analysis presented by various media outlets reflects the best thinking of the Washington DC think tanks and astute surmises from focus groups and all the other political tools that the Washington Inside uses to try to gauge public opinion "out there" in the country. Yes, the Democratic party is doing pretty good but the aging leader isn't connecting.

If the Democrats truly have confidence in their economic record, then that record should buoy a younger and more dynamic candidate into the White House in November 2024 and provide a basis for another four years of progress.

The path to victory in November 2024 runs through a series of open primaries in early 2024.

farmgirl म्हणाले...

Holy crap.
I think I’m going to puke.
What the hell world does he live in!!???!!

rehajm म्हणाले...

Isn’t there some sort of exercise where people who have never seen an elephant are asked to draw an elephant based only on a description and the pictures are strange and funny?

None of the people in this post have ever seen an elephant…

MikeD म्हणाले...

Madison world in a two word comment!

Assistant Village Idiot म्हणाले...

They believe Biden is in their tribe. their tribe now has power and in the backs of their minds, they know that means that people like them will get jobs and have status and resources - or if not, the powers-that-be will move to fix it for Their People. When anyone other has power, and that included both Bushes and certainly Reagan, long before Trump was in, there is the disquieting feeling that they and theirs will "not be taken care of." Not only is this tribalism, it is nothing but tribalism. All the issues they pretend to care about, they do not. Even caring about abortion does not mean that they care in the least about young women with their backs against the wall. It just means they want to have people who have the Right Ideas About Women in charge. It is emotive and social, not intellectual and logical.

One can do Whataboutism on this with conservatives. Fair enough. But we didn't start the fire, and it doesn't define us as it does liberalism, an essential socially-spread belief system. Tribal.

Rabel म्हणाले...

Myself, I would never support the Donald Trump who exists in the heads of these people and in the pages of the Times and the Post.

Thankfully that version is not real.

TickTock म्हणाले...

I disagree.

Marcus Bressler म्हणाले...

Any reader of Sedaris knows of his disdain for Republicans, conservatives, and Trump in particular.
They also know that Sedaris, though genuinely witty and funny, is mentally ill. Just ONE of his problems is the TDS displayed.

MarcusB. THEOLDMAN

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Wow David really needs that liberal cocoon doesn't he? I especially love his unfounded assumption Joe is doing a job any job at all, much less the Presidential role.

tommyesq म्हणाले...

That is exactly who might still vote for Biden - people who checked out immediately on his being sworn in and haven't paid the slightest attention to what/how he is doing.

donald म्हणाले...

You live in Madison and you never make an opportunity to get out and meet people. That’s a bubble. Ya’ll please stay over there. Thank you.

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Can't fathom the mentality of someone like this. Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of every major foreign policy question since the Vietnam War, and used to feature high in the "Dumbest Senator on Capitol Hill" rankings that Roll Call put out, back in the antediluvian days when we had actual journalists rather than bootlicking stenographers and propagandists and prostitutes in the media. He is a man who would struggle to be a success at managing a fast food outlet. Calling him a mediocrity is much more than he deserves, and that was before he started going senile.

tcrosse म्हणाले...

Biden has done a good job of not being Trump, a necessary but not sufficient condition.

tim maguire म्हणाले...

This is a great example of how people's opinions of politicians have little or nothing to do with the actual behavior of the politicians. Trump drove Sedaris crazy and so Sedaris drove himself crazy monitoring news about Trump. Biden doesn't so he relaxes. Actual performance not a consideration.

These other guys talk about how Trump did badly among minorities because he was racist, but the racist charges were all Democratic talking points and Trump did extremely well for a Republican. It just happens that some minorities don't vote Republican (again, for reasons that have nothing at all to do with the performance of the relevant politicians or parties).

Iman म्हणाले...

The effete elite…

I guess it would give some a sense of detachment and relief to back away while Rome burns…

Big Mike म्हणाले...

@Althouse, I would avoid generalizing from the limousine liberal Madison to the parts of the state where people work for a living — and have been hit hard by Bidenomics.

Narr म्हणाले...

"I think Biden has done good job." Say it like Boris Badenov and it makes sense.

Joe Bar म्हणाले...

Of course it was a woman.

Yinzer म्हणाले...

I would love to hear the specifics of what Meade likes about what Biden has done. This from a man who supposedly pays attention and can't say that he did not know what Biden has been up to. Doe he like energy prices? Endless immigration? Inflation? Multiple wars? Taking bribes from Ukraine, China, and God knows who else? Letting Chinese spy balloons cruise over all of our military installations? Or is it just the absence of mean tweets?

wildswan म्हणाले...

When I think of the electorate November 2023 I imagine enormous masses of people moving through each other across a wide floor like a Grand Central rush hour. Moving to destinations, not there yet. Some not moving

https://youtu.be/jwMj3PJDxuo - a humorous take on it all from improv


Joe Smith म्हणाले...

'Calling him a mediocrity is much more than he deserves, and that was before he started going senile.'

So he's a mediocre mediocrity?

: )

robother म्हणाले...

"A republic, if you can keep it" Ben Franklin famously said about the results of the Constitutional Convention. This is how you lose it, a democracy of the eternal child, who only wants to be spoon-fed his hatreds and opinions. My Blue Team, right or wrong!

typingtalker म्हणाले...

"I think Biden has done good job"

He who governs least governs best. In this case "least" was not through intent but through incompetent.

Candide म्हणाले...

“ When the new president speaks, I feel the way I do on a plane when the pilot announces that after reaching our cruising altitude he will head due north, or take a left at Lake Erie. “

If I were on a plane and hear the pilot speak like Biden, I would be extremely alarmed.

Dogma and Pony Show म्हणाले...

I'm skeptical of Mr. Sedaris' suggestion that he could relax and give up his constant monitoring of political affairs because, under Biden, he finally had the assurance that there was a capable pilot in the cockpit. I suspect his real motive for his not following politics so closely was the avoidance of cognitive dissonance. Sedaris and many others like him knew that, no matter what happened to the country and the world under Biden, he was committed to the point of view that either Biden was doing a great job or that things would have been much worse under Trump. Come hell or high water, there was never going to come a day when he would look around and say, "Gee, this Biden guy is a disaster. What a mistake it was to support him." If you're someone like that, the best thing to do to maintain your sanity is to tune out and pretend Biden is doing just fine.

rcocean म्हणाले...

That's pretty funny of meade to do that. Although in madison, wouldn't 90 percent agree?

Leftwing Democrats, yellow dog democrats, and the well-to-do soccer moms just want to vote Democrat - no matter what. They'll use any excuse, even if it means shutting their eyes and ears to what Biden is doing.

Things that OUTRAGED them under Trump, are A-0K or "no big deal" under Biden. Its impossible to reason with these assholes. They'll only change if they PERSONALLY, RIGHT AT ELECTION TIME, feel the Democrats are hurting them.

Biden could literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they wouldn't care. Trump supporters would never do that, despite his joking about it.

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

In the latest poll, 22% of Blacks back Trump. Record numbers.

Anyone who goes to the grocery store knows that Biden has done a terrible job.

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

Biden is out.

It will be Newsome. And the switch will be at the last minute so Newsome doesn't have to campaign.

The Dems just want to put someone up as the nominee who is not Biden. That's it.

Michael म्हणाले...


Comment heard from diversity t-shirt wearing senior citizen in Pennsylvania college town; I wasn't expecting much from Biden, but I never thought we'd wind up with Carter 2.0

chickelit म्हणाले...

I thought Sedaris was a smart modern writer, based on Althouse’s admiration. Turns out, he’s not so smart or just seriously deluded.

Lilly, a dog म्हणाले...

We were out walking the lake path. A handsome, virile man said, "I think Biden has done good job" — just as we were passing. I turned and said, "I agree!"

Later when no one else was around, I strangled my companion. I dumped him in the lake and weighted him down with rocks. He was going to vote for Trump. What else could I do?

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

Biden has done a good job? Someone is spreading misinformation.

n.n म्हणाले...

Mad Libs.

wild chicken म्हणाले...

"They also know that Sedaris, though genuinely witty and funny, is mentally ill."

Is it performative mental illness or something? Like "I will act out the crazy for you" to reassure the readers?

Because I have never been that upset about politics or whoever was president at the time. It's just entertainment.

It's unfathomable to me.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"enraged"

I get that the very fact of his election enraged progs. He was the embodiment of uncouthness, sure. But what was so enraging, day after day? It couldn't be the economy, which did OK. It couldn't be new wars, of which there were none. It couldn't be mass incarceration, which he agreed to reduce. It couldn't be China, which even progs have come to oppose. It couldn't be Covid, where he mostly toed the Birx/Fauci prog line. Was it all about abortion, the notion that he got to appoint some "conservatives" to the Surpreme Court? Or that he beat back, at great cost, the deep-state Russia collusion attack?

"good job"

Yes, from a prog point of view Biden has done a good job. Spending has increased massively. The border is open. War is back in fashion. The green transition is ongoing. Executive agencies go after business. Progs get appointed. DoJ and other progs persecute Trump. Student loans get canceled, sort of. The rainbow military recruits transgenders. Abortion rates stay high and the issue serves Dems. Afghanistan? Who cares. Fentanyl keeps knocking off deplorables. Massive antisemitism triggers an initiative against, wait for it, islamophobia. What's not to like?

Gusty Winds म्हणाले...

Biden has done a great job doing what was expected of him by those who worked hard to install him via voter fraud. He has left the southern border wide open, importing what Democrats hope to be future welfare voters. He has propped up the Military Industrial Complex wasting billion on supporting Ukraine. He made everything cost more, keeping the American people in a state of check to check desperation. He weakened our military promoting male officers who wear lipstick, ponytails, and skirts. He even gave dire fake warning of a "winter of death" for the "unvaccinated".

He was installed to be the biggest asshole that ever held the office. A+.

n.n म्हणाले...

Not green eggs and ham, blueberry yogurt, and a paper wipe for the record.

Ron Winkleheimer म्हणाले...

My liberal friends get their news from the NYT and other MSM outlets and simply disregard anything that comes from any other source. I have seen them state that certain things are simply unbelievable, such as the fact that a political appointee in the Biden admin is a Satanist, which is, I suppose true enough since he clarified that he was an occultist, not a Satanist.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/bidens-monkeypox-coordinator-accused-of-satanism-after-exposing-pentagram-tattoo/

The liberals I know don't dislike Donald Trump, they despise him in a way that is irrational and unhealthy.

Gusty Winds म्हणाले...

For people who now think Biden hasn't done a good job, what were your expectations after he was installed in 2020? You're now what...surprised? Shocked? Disappointed? Give us a break.

For those of us who knew all along he was a crook, a fraud, and a controlled corrupt puppet, he has fulfilled everything we expected of him.

This is a man who took the oath of office knowing full well he was installed via coordinated voter fraud. What do you think was his mission? Was it to protect and defend the constitution, or help destroy it? Seems rather obvious.

walter म्हणाले...

Yes, Biden is more tolerable if you don't pay attention to the shit his regime does.
Complicit MSM makes it easy.
Is Sedaris aware of Biden inc selling out the country?
Is he cool with projected 10 million illegal immigrants under Joementia's reign?
He won't hear about that on NPR.

Readering म्हणाले...

I liked it when the pilot said where the plane was, so I could look know looking out the window. Now more airlines track the flight path on a seat back screen.

Biden doing better than I expected when I reluctantly voted for him. Looks like I will reluctantly vote for him again if it's the same match up. Especially since I expect Trump to pick someone worse than Pence to run with.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

The only thing I knew of David Sedaris is that he is a favorite of yours. I now know two things; I also know that he compared Joe Biden with that in control image we (mostly) all have of airline pilots. I gotta say, this does not bode well for my opinion of David Sedaris.
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interested to see if can Sedaris compare FJB to Sully of the East River Heroics?

has Mr Sedaris written about that? since NYT must have covered that excitement

Narayanan म्हणाले...

If I were on a plane and hear the pilot speak like Biden, I would be extremely alarmed.
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the magic mushroom pilot can fly on magic carpet

M Jordan म्हणाले...

David Sedaris, like every clone in his bubble, has great mental illness which this post puts on display. How anyone can derive any value from his writing is beyond me.

Randomizer म्हणाले...

When a Democrat is president, Sedaris pulls a Sergeant Schultz and 'sees nothing'. Sedaris is proud of his blind loyalty. It's little wonder that the Biden family corruption comes as such a surprise to people like him.

Original Mike म्हणाले...

Blogger Rich said..."The question is whether they've forgotten the perils of Trump…"

Could you enumerate those perils for us? Because I don't remember them.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

People who disengage don't disengage from the news because they are no longer worried and are happy- they disengage because they are embarrassed by their side's performance. This is simple human nature.

Don't believe me? Think about how eager you are to watch your hometown team when they are true contenders for a title vs when they are also-rans.

JaimeRoberto म्हणाले...

It sounds like he's admitting to being ruled by his emotions, yet I bet he believes the Democrats are the party of science and reason.

BUMBLE BEE म्हणाले...

Americans can see through the smoke.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/11/the_unforgettable_dreadful_2020s.html

Gonna be a long time gone.

Michael Fitzgerald म्हणाले...

This quote from Sedaris is very illuminating into the Democrat Party members mindset. When a republican is in charge, it's panic around the clock, even when the economy is actually doing well, gas prices lower than in years, unemployment down across all categories, no new wars,etc. When a Democrat Party member is in charge, the economy tanks, gas prices double, banks collapse, inflation is higher than it has been in 50 years, borders open and millions of hostile foreigners flooding the country, etc, it's time go to sleep, the adults are in charge!!!11°!!

Democrat Party members are cult members.

Old and slow म्हणाले...

If this is all you know about David Sedaris, you should do yourself a favor and learn more. He's really pretty awesome.

Butkus51 म्हणाले...

"Happy-go-lucky" is an apt title.

"Whistling Past the Graveyard" would have been better.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Doesn't matter. It's just a phrase we were using to characterize how we thought other people were thinking. We don't ourselves think Biden has done a good job, but the woman who said "I agree!" must have thought we did. It was very funny. We laughed and laughed.

Now that is funny. I can see it and hear it happening and I would react the same way. It's like the way people repeat shocking news trying to absorb it. It also occurs to me I didn't click for more because I had no idea what people were referring to in their comments other than reactions to Sedaris. Now I have to read it.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

If I were on a plane and hear the pilot speak like Biden, I would be extremely alarmed.
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so who is his co-pilot

Narayanan म्हणाले...

If I were on a plane and hear the pilot speak like Biden, I would be extremely alarmed.
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so who is FJB co-pilot > God or isn't that special?

Butkus51 म्हणाले...

If Trump were President, East Palestine and Maui would still be in the news. But he's not, so they arent either.

Michael K म्हणाले...

So, now we have heard from two Biden lovers who have "done well" since he was installed.

Cook and Sedaris. Any others ?

Leland म्हणाले...

I think this deserves the TDS tag. I actually disengaged under Trump, because after so many times hearing the boys cry wolf only to find sheep just mulling around, why care? Sure, sure, Trump is a Russian agent despite no reason for Putin to prefer Trump over Hillary "Reset Russian relations" Clinton and Barack "the 1980's called" Obama. Yeah, Trump treatment of Ukraine was much worse than Joe "fire that Prosecutor" Biden. Grannies taking selfies is most certainly the behavior of insurrectionists. It got boring listening to these ravings.

When I read this article's "I feel the way I do on a plane when the pilot announces that after reaching our cruising altitude he will head due north"; I kept thinking "yeah, that's the problem because the plane was supposed to head Southwest, but Biden turned North and nobody cared. Now we are a thousand miles from where we were, out of gas, out of money, and out of options." I suppose this didn't bother people when Biden promised to pay their school loan, but now that promise met its due political end; I think more people are noticing being out of gas, money, and options.

Earnest Prole म्हणाले...

My friend Mike likened this constant monitoring to having a second job.

Your friend Earnest likens it to mental illness.

JIM म्हणाले...

Sedaris is a composite of every Democrat I've run across on X. I'm still amazed that Democrats haven't figured out what "fundamental transformation" looks like. It looks like the last 3 years. A lot of virtue intertwined with intentional consequences of inflation, control, and American decline.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

The time may be right for the return of the New York Herald Tribune, traditional competitor of the NYT.

Old and slow म्हणाले...

It seems like most commenters here are so stern and po-faced in their responses to things. Politics doesn't have to be central to everything! David Sedaris and I don't share political opinions. Great! Who fucking cares? He is a clever and amusing writer / speaker. Althouse told an amusing anecdote about a verbal misunderstanding. Harrumph says the assembled crowd! "This is what is wrong with college educated white women / Madison / government employees" For fuck's sake, lighten up already.

Craig Mc म्हणाले...

As an outsider, it seems like America has perfected a system for sifting through 330 million people to find the two worst candidates to lead it.

retail lawyer म्हणाले...

You might be disengaged from a deteriorating society, but deteriorating society is interested in you.

Gimme dat . . .

Kevin म्हणाले...

It was very funny. We laughed and laughed.

That's what I thought.

Jamie म्हणाले...

I was listening to an episode of Triggernometry the other day in which Bill Maher was the guest. As we all know, Maher is in many ways an old fashioned liberal - much closer to me politically than the characterization of me as a conservative makes it seem, but my version of "conservative" differs from "classical liberal" pretty much only in our interpretation of Chesterton's Fence, ISTM.

However. Where it comes to Trump, Maher is almost as unhinged as the wildest progressive. Konstantin Kisin tried to get him to say what about Trump was so terrible that he characterized the possibility of a second Trump term as a disaster or catastrophe or some word like that; repeatedly, Maher just said, "Are you kidding me?" as if the answer were self-evident.

Finally, he got around to the "wouldn't concede the election, and still hasn't," thing, which, considering that Trump walked out of the White House on his own on Jan. 20, seems rather moot. They played for him the clip of H. Clinton talking about Trump knowing he's an illegitimate president, which Maher seemed somehow never have heard - but having heard it during this interview, he seemed to think she said it between the election and inauguration instead of three years later. And she carefully hedged her words so as not to survive just how Trump got himself illegitimately elected. Therefore Clinton's "election denial" was not of the same character as Trump's, and Trump reigns supreme in irresponsibly and dangerously threatening democracy.

Kisin and Foster are British guys, so maybe it was unfamiliarity, or maybe it was lack of time or a desire to keep the interview on the footing it had been on, but they didn't press him on things like specifics of Trump's governance, the protests at the 2017 inauguration, or the impeachments and indictments over things that either ought not to be actionable because of long precedents or were clearly politically motivated.

Kevin म्हणाले...

In 2016, Dems greeted each other with "I hate Trump" to signal mutual goodness.

In 2023, the greeting is "Biden's done a good job."

Each is a modern version of "Heil Hitler!"

fairmarketvalue म्हणाले...

Readering said: "Biden doing better than I expected when I reluctantly voted for him. Looks like I will reluctantly vote for him again if it's the same match up."

"Better than I expected" is a mighty low bar and sounds very much like merely damning him with faint praise. Aside from being a democrat, I'm curious what aspects of his performance were such that he is doing better than you expected.

Dude1394 म्हणाले...

And since you have stopped worrying about it, we have an ACTUAL invasion on our southern border, inflations is 3x, gasoline is 2.5x, we have two wars, we have an FBI/DOJ that is incarcerating political opponents, we have had BLM riots, Antifa riots and an exploding of the federal debt.


Maybe you should pay attention more.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"When Trump was president I started every morning by reading the New York Times, followed by the Washington Post, and would track both papers’ websites regularly throughout the day."

If you do that, you'll certainly stay on top of leftist talking points. You won't, however, learn much about what's actually going on in the real world.

I guess it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Especially since I expect Trump to pick someone worse than Pence to run with.
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fantasy or 'reality' >> Biden loses and D stage insurrection = Kamala [not-Pence] presides in Senate and entertains challenges to EC

Freeman Hunt म्हणाले...

Anyone with income below upper middle class is unlikely to go along with Biden having done a good job while they contend with current inflation.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

I don’t know. In a way Trump has been a gift to the post modernist out to transform America. While attacking him they have had a free hand in the schools in the culture and society to the point where very soon it won’t matter what party is in power, or who the president is. We are very close to the point of no return.

Gave a ride to a poker player last night and we both got to the same depressing conclusion as we parted ways.

Freeman Hunt म्हणाले...

There's really no point to constantly monitoring political affairs.

SteveWe म्हणाले...

Begley is right,

"The Dems just want to put someone up as the nominee who is not Biden. That's it." And at the last minute so that their nominee can't be examined or reveal him/herself as a moron.

Oligonicella म्हणाले...

Freeman Hunt:
There's really no point to constantly monitoring political affairs.

Exactly.

I'll wait until much closer to invest any research into a candidate's last year's announcements and activities. Not investing any in anyone I don't think will live to see the election or if so, will view it with the descernation of a turnip.

Rabel म्हणाले...

"There's really no point to constantly monitoring political affairs."

So true for the Ladies. Especially when there's ironing to be done.

chickelit म्हणाले...

Sebastian asked: But what was so enraging, day after day?

It was women. Most women cannot stand him. I know guys here in Wisconsin who still toe their wife's line . Wife hates Trump, Husband must too. Or there will be no sex. It is really that simple.

Howard म्हणाले...

It sounds like many on both sides of the debate depend on the head of federal government to feel secure, safe, whole.

SteveWe म्हणाले...

"discernation of a turnip"

Love that.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

I don't know who any of those people are. They seem intelligent, in a clever sort of way. And they are apparently people of some influence, so people pay them some attention.

But they are mind-crushingly ignorant about what is actually happening in front of their faces. And apparently deliberately so.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

I sincerely hope that Meade responded "I was making a joke."

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Althouse and I are seldom on the same wavelength, but if you are telling her that she is stuck in the Madison bubble and not aware of what is really happening, you might want to think about why she posted these two items together, along with her story of the woman who "agreed" with Meade.

JAORE म्हणाले...

“ When the new president speaks, I feel the way I do on a plane when the pilot announces that after reaching our cruising altitude he will head due north, or take a left at Lake Erie. “

But the flight was scheduled to land n Tuscon....

FullMoon म्हणाले...


Freeman Hunt said...

Anyone with income below upper middle class is unlikely to go along with Biden having done a good job while they contend with current inflation.



Correct. We commenters here can fill up our gas tank and buy prime rib on the way home. Lower income gonna put 20 bucks in the tank and buy hamburger on the way home. But, with MSM on Democrats side, low information voter thinks Republicans are the cause.

m म्हणाले...

Rich said:
The question is whether they've forgotten the perils of Trump...

And yet the world is falling apart under Biden. How can people 'agree' he's doing a good job?

Bunkypotatohead म्हणाले...

This comment section is its own bubble. Democrats are half the electorate, and 85% of them think the current administration is just wonderful. So it's quite likely Biden will be the next president, and Harris thereafter.
Even if Trump somehow finds himself in the Whitehouse again, he could have a democrat congress which will spend all its time trying to impeach him a couple more times.

Mr. Forward म्हणाले...

Michael K said "So, now we have heard from two Biden lovers who have "done well" since he was installed.
Cook and Sedaris. Any others ?"

Mexican Cartels?

RMc म्हणाले...

It’s so freeing, no longer listening to political podcasts—no longer being enraged

It's obvious Sedaris wants to be enraged. As a friend of mine once said, "If you're angry, that means you're still alive."

PM म्हणाले...

He's very funny & very aware of his audience.

melk म्हणाले...

Summary

When Trump was President I could open the NY Times and Washington Post every day to read that The Walls Are Closing In on Trump and the collusion with Putin story is the biggest and best news ever.

Somehow that all ended, not sure why, and now we have Biden, who is my guy, but it's just not the same.

Poor David. Foeitog.