A policy of neutrality can be principled, but it's not principled at all it's applied on and off and as a matter of convenience. Once the university speaks out some of the time, the question becomes whether this is one of those occasions when the university should take a side. Does the fact that some students spoke out create such an occasion?
The Harvard student letter said, “For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison,” and concluded that as the war unfolded, “the apartheid regime is the only one to blame.” It was signed by groups including Amnesty International at Harvard, the Harvard Kennedy School Palestine Caucus and the Harvard Divinity School Muslim Association....
In her response on Tuesday, [Harvard President Claudine] Clark said that “while our students have the right to speak for themselves, no student group — not even 30 student groups — speaks for Harvard University or its leadership.”...
Here's the full text of that 1967 University of Chicago declaration. Excerpt:
The neutrality of the university as an institution arises then not from a lack of courage nor out of indifference and insensitivity. It arises out of respect for free inquiry and the obligation to cherish a diversity of viewpoints. And this neutrality as an institution has its complement in the fullest freedom for its faculty and students as individuals to participate in political action and social protest. It finds its complement, too, in the obligation of the university to provide a forum for the most searching and candid discussion of public issues.
Moreover, the sources of power of a great university should not be misconceived. Its prestige and influence are based on integrity and intellectual competence; they are not based on the circumstance that it may be wealthy, may have political contacts, and may have influential friends....
Great. I agree. But I've got to ask Harvard: Why is this — this! — the occasion for rediscovering the virtue of neutrality? Go back and examine your history of nonneutrality and be honest about your expectations of future nonneutrality.
By the way, to do critical race theory, you've got to question statements of neutrality. What's really going on?
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The Harvard student letter said, “For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison,” and concluded that as the war unfolded, “the apartheid regime is the only one to blame.” It was signed by groups including Amnesty International at Harvard, the Harvard Kennedy School Palestine Caucus and the Harvard Divinity School Muslim Association....
By Hamas policy to take all aide to Gaza and wage war on Israel. Gazans are responsible for Hamas and they can continue to live in that open-air prison.
The critical race theory tag prompts the question of whether the government run education system could be sued for malpractice. Indoctrination is the opposite of education. And sadly the young are being forcefed a lot of hateful doctrines in order to prepare them for the University experience.
It really should not be that hard to come out against genocide, against being so filled with hate that your only reason for being is the destruction of others.
Harvard is pozzed. The Ivy League is pozzed. The entire American university system is in severe need of reform at a structural level, and people can begin by re-evaluating the funding for state universities at the state level and investigating tye tax exempt status of private institutions and especially their endowments.
Target their money. Always the money. At a minimum women studies and other grievance departments need the heave-ho...this pozzed excrement started with them anyway.
I don't want Liberal Universities to STFU. The only way to break their expensive liberal indoctrination cycle is to let them broadcast their stupidity to the entire country.
Kids go to college so they can get the piece of paper and hopefully get a job, and maybe someday pay off the massive student debt. The trick is hopefully they can grab the piece of paper on avoid the indoctrination.
Wayne Booth "Modern Dogma and the Rhetoric of Dissent" (1974) is an account of being a U Chicago dean (duties are fund-raising and riot control). Booth's an Eng Lit teacher.
Student birth of the non-negotiable demand.
CAGW is a scam and the universities are all in on it.
More ressearch money. More professors. More students enrolled in those classes. In fact, that "influencer" who shacks up with that Harvard Law prof who Althouse posted about, is enrolled in climate change classes.
Scam.
What's really going on?
They took their stand and it backfired on them. Now they want to slink away and act like it never happened. They're Harvard, damnit! They're not supposed to have to deal with the consequences of their fuck up!
Understand that ANY Jew living in the land "between the river and the sea" is considered an invader, a colonizer, a settler, a combatant who can be rightly killed. Even newborn babies.
Circa 1880 to 1900 Harvard ended its Christian focus in favor of neutrality. It had been a religious school (aka Woke of a prior era), and then secular. Not coincidentally, this corresponded with the rise of college football and other school sports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Harvard_University
My takeaway is that efforts at neutrality and secularism always fold into the moral/religious framework of a given generation. When moralism is on the decline, the zeitgeist favors freedom and liberty and pleasure. When moralism is on the rise, the zeitgeist favors lockstep conformity with the then-fashionable and rigid ideology.
Why now? The current generation of leaders were blanched of morality starting in the 1960s, but current students demand something more than the Harvey Weinstein, Bill Gates, and Jeffrey Epstein type of indulgent hedonism.
Russia invading Ukraine to murder: Bad
Palestine invading Israel to murder: Good
These people have no principles and never have. Harvard doesn't allow students who are PRO-ISRAEL to attend Harvard. They discover this in the pre-screening they do of all students prior to being accepted into Harvard through extensive questioning and screening of applications, plus Facebook background checks they do through META. Harvard (who's founders had 70 actual black slaves) is where these children were taught to hate Jews and blacks.
Is anyone surprised that so many Harvard students now express solidarity with baby-killing terrorists? You can't GO to Harvard unless you're on the other side.
"What's really going on?"
Nobody gives a damn. They're all narcissists now and they just want their way.
From yesterday’s statement by Harvard President Claudine Gay:
“As the events of recent days continue to reverberate, let there be no doubt that I condemn the terrorist atrocities perpetrated by Hamas. Such inhumanity is abhorrent, whatever one’s individual views of the origins of longstanding conflicts in the region.”
Why is this — this! — the occasion for rediscovering the virtue of neutrality?
It's obvious isn't it? The 1967 neutrality was about the university staying out taking the other side on left wing politics.
As the university aged and the left wing students became the faculty the university became left wing and so they threw the neutrality argument out the window and allowed further left wing politics in.
Now you have a student organization that is defending infanticide for political purposes, which is horrifying to the world. They are defending massacring young people at a dance for peace.
They can't condemn Hamas because that would alienate the students, they can't defend Hamas because they'd lose Jewish donors and receive condemnation from the rest of the world.
Hence this call for "Our hands are tied. Neutrality, remember?"
In general, I am against making Jews into victims. Victimhood -- as Progressives promote among blacks and other minorities -- is disempowering. Why try to succeeed if systemic racism is going to keep you down no matter what you do? That said, Harvard and other universities actively promote anti-Semitism. When the administration prohibits speech that makes LGBTQ+ and black students feel bad but favors free speech when Jews are the target, that sends a very clear message. So does adopting admissions policies that have the effect of drastically shrinking the number of Jewish students.
It is interesting to note that this has occurred during a period in which just about every Ivy League school had a Jewish president, and Jewish donors were unusually generous. I guess that is not all that different from noting that white heterosexual males have been targeted by business, political, and cultural leaders who themsevles have been mostly white heterosexual males. For some reason, self-hatred is strong among the U.S. elite.
I've worked my entire life in service/sales.
Keeping neutral is not an option. It is nothing bet raw survival.
Take sides=Starvation
The entirety of the leftist echo system is imploding, because critical mass of the leftist agenda is producing the results of the talking points.
Climate change means no gas stove or the freedom to grow and maintain a plot of grass surrounding your home, and no gas range, in the home.
Open boarders are destroying our once grand cities, according to Democrat governors and mayors
Appeasing muslim terrorist, producing the headless infants by the dozens.
$trillion federal govt spending, produces $5 eggs
Stopping the leases and permits of 1000's of oil wells, = $5 gasloline.
These are the results living mindless talking points
Now College Deans are in the corner sucking their thumb because they are forced to stand with people that are the worst humans we have seen since WWII. They are living the results of what they support.
The Harvard student letter said, “For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison,”
THIS is what de-colonization looks like!
All around the world, when oppressed people throw off their chains; the 1st thing they do is:
Rape and Murder and Kidnap.. While videoing the Whole thing..
Well, by 'all around the world', i mean 'all around the Mid-East'; but STILL
It IS kinda weird, that when Most people Rape and Murder and Kidnap.. They DON'T Brag about it.
Any reports of russians (or ukrainians) killing grandmothers and uploading the videos to the grandmothers' facebook pages using the dead grandmothers' phone? I'm thinking NO.
Again, THIS is what de-colonization looks like! Coming SOON to a neighborhood near you
Mark points out...
that ANY Jew living in the land "between the river and the sea" is considered an invader, a colonizer, a settler, a combatant who can be rightly killed. Even newborn babies.
But WAIT! there's MORE!
they AREN'T Just 'a combatant who can be rightly killed'.. They can (and WILL!) be Tortured and Raped
And the Torture and Rape will be videoed and proudly transmitted
And IF someone mentions it they are told: "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GAZA! THOSE PEOPLE ARE IMPRISONED!
I'm pretty sure that the Hamas terrorists are going to be OK. The word has gone out in the Communist media to cease calling the terrorists "terrorists" and start calling them "ruffians."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617089/Canadian-Broadcasting-Corporation-tells-reporters-not-call-Hamas-terrorists-leaked-emails.html
It's just a local crime story. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
I'm pretty sure that the Hamas terrorists are going to be OK. The word has gone out in the Communist media to cease calling the terrorists "terrorists" and start calling them "ruffians."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617089/Canadian-Broadcasting-Corporation-tells-reporters-not-call-Hamas-terrorists-leaked-emails.html
It's just a local crime story. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
Black Harvard (home of 70 black slaves) President: “As the events of recent days continue to reverberate, let there be no doubt that I condemn the terrorist atrocities perpetrated by Hamas. Such inhumanity is abhorrent, whatever one’s individual views of the origins of longstanding conflicts in the region.”
Notice what she DID NOT SAY: She said nothing about what should NOW BE DONE to these alleged people, given this abhorrent violence on the part of Hamas (Palestinian) terrorists.
She doesn't say they should be destroyed. Doesn't say Palestine should be dismantled. Doesn't say Hamas should be in dead or in prisons.
She's posturing - because she sees which way the wind is starting to blow and Obama is no longer the President. You can't get too cozy with your buddy-buddy terrorist pals these days what with Donald Trump looming in the background. You might find yourself in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba as a domestic terrorist should he get re-elected.
Black Harvard (home of 70 black slaves) President: “As the events of recent days continue to reverberate, let there be no doubt that I condemn the terrorist atrocities perpetrated by Hamas. Such inhumanity is abhorrent, whatever one’s individual views of the origins of longstanding conflicts in the region.”
Notice what she DID NOT SAY: She said nothing about what should NOW BE DONE to these alleged people, given this abhorrent violence on the part of Hamas (Palestinian) terrorists.
She doesn't say they should be destroyed. Doesn't say Palestine should be dismantled. Doesn't say Hamas should be in dead or in prisons.
She's posturing - because she sees which way the wind is starting to blow and Obama is no longer the President. You can't get too cozy with your buddy-buddy terrorist pals these days what with Donald Trump looming in the background. You might find yourself in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba as a domestic terrorist should he get re-elected.
The Israelis don't discriminate against the Palestinians because they're Palestinian. They discriminate against the Palestinians because they want to kill the Israelis in the most barbaric ways possible at every possible opportunity. If the Palestinians took a more modulated and nuanced approach to Israeli occupation, I'm sure many of these problems could be worked out.....I don't think those statements by the different Islamic associations at Harvard are typical of the students at Harvard, but even so. Talk about unsafe spaces. The female Jewish students at Harvard now know that some of their classmates feel that it's an okay form of asymmetrical protest to rape and murder them should the opportunity arise.
If there’s one good thing coming out of this, it’s that the conflict is flushing out a lot of extremely hateful people and groups quietly hiding in the shadows and shining a bright light on how unpalatable they are.
Waffles while waffling.
Harvard is pozzed
Now I had to look up THAT word too. Does anyone else think RideSpaceMountain's avatar should be on Shouting Thomas's posts? Just a random thought.
Little wonder... "We are now almost a quarter of the way through what looks likely to go down in history as the least innovative, least transformative, least pioneering century for culture..."
Once you let yourself become convinced that an issue is so well settled that all thoughtful individuals must be on one side (the right side & your side) then stating your position on that issue no longer feels political, but just a statement of fact.
The Hamas people killed old women and children and raped and murdered women. These are ghastly crimes, made more ghastly by the fact that the Islamic world considers these crimes to be heroic. I guess after 9/11, they had to keep their enthusiasm for mass murder under the radar, but this is just too thrilling and joyous to ignore.....On the plus side, I don't think the Islamic students at Harvard were totally on board with the slaughter at the Ariana Grande concert or the gay nightclub. So some progress is being made. Baby steps. It's also good to see that there's at least one left wing nutso cause that the Jewish students and faculty at Harvard are willing to disapprove of......So far as ethnic cleansings go, the Palestinians were not unique. There were tens of millions displaced persons throughout the world in the aftermath of WWI and WWII. The forced evacuation of Palestinians was comparatively gentle compared to what went down in India, Africa, Eastern and Central Europe, Anatolia, and their own Muslim lands.
"A policy of neutrality can be principled, but it's not principled at all it's applied on and off and as a matter of convenience."
I just read a similar statement concerning "cancel culture". If you are "on the right" and condemn it when used against your friends, you are not a principled opponent if you then try to cancel your enemies for something they've said.
https://reason.com/2021/01/22/niskanen-center-will-wilkinson-lynch-mike-pence-tweet-cancel-culture/
"Does anyone else think RideSpaceMountain's avatar should be on Shouting Thomas's posts? Just a random thought."
Absolutely not. Only I may use the glorious image of Ric Flair...blessings and peace be upon him...as my profile avatar. I'm the only true Rastaflairian on Althouse.blogspot.com, and it's gonna stay that way!
One thing that was not noticed in the wokeness of the last decade is that Jewish people are white people. If it's okay to discriminate against white people ("We must get a more diverse student body/workforce/ whatever."), it's okay to discriminate against Jewish people. And if you're going to dislike white people, that dislike is inevitably going to extend to Jewish people.
Again unnoticed is that a good deal of the evidence for white privilege comes from Jewish people doing so well. They pull up the white average for income, wealth, education, etc.
Althouse:
But I've got to ask Harvard: Why is this — this! — the occasion for rediscovering the virtue of neutrality?
Because they put their finger in their mouth then tested the wind.
They knew their true position was not going to be at all popular, in fact, detrimental.
My question is will there be an open-air prison bullshit tag on this blog? People in Gaza *used* to be able to leave through Egypt. When you commit war crimes, things change.
Gusty Winds said...
Kids go to college so they can get the piece of paper and hopefully get a job, and maybe someday pay off the massive student debt.
Businesses are more and more giving no credence to a diploma, favoring VoTech or OJT.
It used to be in IT that a CS degree was becoming a requirement until we found out the holders were idiots.
I interviewed one kid who when asked what he could do for us answered "I could write you a compiler."
IBM shop with 6 programmers. We had a compiler of course.
"We have a COBOL compiler."
"What's COBOL?"
Priceless.
Gusty Winds said...
Kids go to college so they can get the piece of paper and hopefully get a job, and maybe someday pay off the massive student debt.
Businesses are more and more giving no credence to a diploma, favoring VoTech or OJT.
It used to be in IT that a CS degree was becoming a requirement until we found out the holders were idiots.
I interviewed one kid who when asked what he could do for us answered "I could write you a compiler."
IBM shop with 6 programmers. We had a compiler of course.
"We have a COBOL compiler."
"What's COBOL?"
Priceless.
(Blogger is hiccuping like crazy today)
William, was there a "forced evacuation" done by the Israelis, or a call to leave issued by the Arab armies who were sure that the new Jewish state would quickly be destroyed? The Muslims who remained in Israel during the war for statehood survived easily, kept their possessions and their religious observances. Those who led, anticipating a return with the conquerors, lost out. The Arab governments that called for them to leave did not allow them to enter their own states, but kept them penned up as "refugees" to this day.
Enigma said...
blanched of morality
I like that very much. An absolutely perfect description. Will use it when appropriate.
gilbar said...
Well, by 'all around the world', i mean 'all around the Mid-East'; but STILL.
Today. You were right the first time.
In the last hundred years one can count only a few countries where this hasn't occurred.
Video on line of a pro Hamas demonstration at the University of Wisconsin in front of the Memorial Library chanting "Glory to the Martyrs".
Too bad a naked bike parade didn't pass by...
William,
Well, exactly. The Partition of India all by itself killed millions. But Palestine is the only place on earth that has its own dedicated UN relief agency. (A problem in itself, b/c if the difficulties are resolved, UNRWA's occupation's clean gone. You don't think that might cause UNRWA to, maybe, shoulder aside proposals that might work?)
It's also the only place where the "refugees" are now overwhelmingly great-grandchildren (or more) of those who actually suffered the "naqba." Elsewhere the great-grandchildren of refugees are long since (I mean decades ago) resettled.
Why do the Gazans not simply leave for other nations? Not to Egypt or Jordan, of course; neither nation would have them as a gift. But doubtless the friendly Iranians would give them safe harbor. Except that there are an awful lot of them, are there not? I hesitate to resettle them in Europe or the US; we have some refugee problems of our own, you know. But there all sorts of places they could go. All the ex-Soviet -stans. Sub-Saharan Africa -- or maybe even the Mediterranean coast (though they also have immigration troubles!). China might (I'm being satirical at this point, NB) add them to its existing corpus of Uyghers, where they can partake of the same "deprogramming" already ignored by all Muslim governments.
I'm getting somewhat heated here, sorry. But the only reason for Gazans to remain in their "open-air prison" is love of the land. And so they ought to understand Israelis' love of their land. No one is proposing that Istanbul be renamed Constantinople, though that land was taken by force and the Hagia Sophia turned first into a mosque and then a museum. But some Muslims harbor ambitions as long ago as that and far more demented. Like retaking Al-Andaluz.
Harvard Statements.
The timeline tells the story here:
1.Student letter came out (10/8).
2. First statement from Harvard leadership (10/9, also signed by Gay) was neutral, ignored letter.
3. Summers and others gave them a brutal slap down.
4. Second statement directly from Gay (10/10) used the C word and dissociated from the student letter.
"A policy of neutrality can be principled, but it's not principled at all it's applied on and off and as a matter of convenience."
Ain't that the truth. It's easier to claim that you're above it all than it is to be above it all.
If these students are the “best and brightest” America has to offer, we are truly fucked.
One thing that was not noticed in the wokeness of the last decade is that Jewish people are white people.
Have you ever heard of Sephardic Jews?
They are refugees from Arab countries who emigrated to Israel. White Israelis are largely European and Ashkenazi.
Nobody gives a damn. They're all narcissists now and they just want their way.
I believe Crack has identified the true human condition. Not good, not evil, just entirely self-centered.
It took conservatives a few decades of hard work to fix the courts. Now they must start doing the same thing to the universities, taking every opportunity to replace leftist administrators and faculty with normal people. Gov. DeSantis has started doing this in Florida but it will be a long haul.
Since it is NYT link, I can't read but I don't really understand the author's point since as far as I know, Harvard has never adopted the Chicago Statement or pretended to be "neutral" with regard to political or social matters.
Harvard doesn't pretend to be neutral or supportive of free debate.
gilbar asks disingenuously (9:33am):
"Any reports of russians (or ukrainians) killing grandmothers and uploading the videos to the grandmothers' facebook pages using the dead grandmothers' phone? I'm thinking NO."
There have been no reports of exactly that happening, and no reports of anything like that done by Ukrainians. But there are plenty of examples of Russians filming themselves committing gross war crimes and other Russians gloating about it. Russian troops have filmed themselves:
1. Cutting off the head of a living Ukrainian prisoner.
2. Castrating a living Ukrainian prisoner.
3. Making a Ukrainian prisoner dig his own grave and then shooting him while he stood in it saying (him, not them) 'Slava Ukraini'.
4. Smashing the head of a prisoner with a sledge-hammer. This was a Wagnerite who had been captured, filmed saying some not-entirely-hostile things about his Ukrainian captors, then exchanged, and his fellow Wagnerites did it. They're still passing around videos of when they smashed the head of a Syrian prisoner in Syria a few years ago, and thousands of Russians, many of them non-Wagnerites, love to see them. When Putin murdered the top Wagnerites by shooting down their plane, some followers left sledge-hammers at their memorials to honor them.
5. When grieving parents posted a picture of a cute 6-year-old Ukrainian girl murdered by the Russians, someone copied it on Russian social media with a "Baby shoes, never worn" joke added, and it got tens of thousands of likes and very few criticisms.
In short, the Russians are not quite as bad as Hamas, but that's a very low bar: downright abyssal. They're still inhumanly disgusting war-criminals, who need to be defeated.
If there’s one good thing coming out of this, it’s that the conflict is flushing out a lot of extremely hateful people and groups quietly hiding in the shadows and shining a bright light on how unpalatable they are.
And they all vote the same way you do. Be proud.
I doubt that anyone, deep down, is wholly neutral. We tend to favor one side or the other. Our favoring slips out in what we say or don't say and our choice of words, as much as we try to appear neutral.
Progressives are open about their non-neutrality. They favor the politically oppressed. They favor the dispossessed, the powerless.
Tax the bastards.
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