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September 19, 2023

At the Tuesday Night Café...

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... you can talk about whatever you want.

54 comments:

Owen said...: HOW DO YOU DO THIS?

Amazing pic of ferns. Ours are abundant but never never never have they taken on that coloration.

Wow.; 9/19/23, 7:53 PM
Jaq said...: I probably won't be the only person to point this out, but Ray "You have to enter the Capitol" Epps got a slap on the wrist "disorderly conduct" when another guy got six months for shouting "1776," which apparently somehow encouraged people to enter the Capitol Building.

But Ray Epps was not a Fed. I repeat, Ray Epps was not a Fed.; 9/19/23, 7:55 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: The WA legislature created a cap and trade carbon tax program which has added $0.50/gal to our gas prices. Jay Inslee lies about how much CAT will cost drivers (just pennies! he says).

The Citizen Action Defense Fund has filed suit against CAT as the legislation was a single subject:

COURT TO HEAR CADF’S ARGUMENT IN SUIT CHALLENGING TRANSPORTATION PACKAGE AND HIGH FUEL COSTS
If the law is overturned, at least a half a billion dollars would be kept in taxpayer pockets.

Olympia, Washington — SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 — Citizen Action Defense Fund, through retained outside counsel, is set to argue its motion for summary judgment in its lawsuit on behalf of taxpayers against the state of Washington on Friday, September 22nd. The hearing on the motion will take place in Thurston County Superior Court on the challenge to key legislation in the 2022 Transportation Package, and, if granted, would have the effect of lowering the cost of gas and driver’s license fees.

Doriot et al. v. State of Washington was filed on behalf of a small business and a trucking company in an effort to ensure the court strikes down ESSB 5974 due to its violation of the single subject requirement of the Washington state constitution. If successful, the court will enter a declaratory judgment that renders ESSB 5874 unconstitutional and void.

“This motion to get a final court ruling is not just about trying to help people with sky-high gas prices and license fees, it is also a chance to make sure the state constitution is followed so that the legislature can’t play word games with laws.” said Jackson Maynard, Executive Director of CADF. “It is somewhat ironic that even the parties arguing for the act’s constitutionality couldn’t agree on the meaning of the title of the bill in briefing. If the state and proponents are confused about what bill language means, the public stands no chance. The need for transparency is exactly why this provision of the state constitution exists.”

Hope they win.; 9/19/23, 8:21 PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...: Susan Collins is threatening to wear a bikini on the Senate floor as protest over Schumer waiving the dress code for Frankefetterman.; 9/19/23, 8:37 PM
Grant said...: That looks like sumac, and it’s beautiful.; 9/19/23, 8:45 PM
Jaq said...: Looks *kinda* like staghorn sumac. Sumac has some of the most incredible colors in the fall, at least around here, but I have never seen that kind of variegated coloration.; 9/19/23, 8:47 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Check out Stand By the Seawall (Alternate Version) by Steely Dan, from the Aja Outtakes album, 1977. I just heard it for the first time, today, and think it's excellent.; 9/19/23, 9:03 PM
Clyde said...: Tomorrow marks the 50th anniversary of the death of Jim Croce in a plane crash in Natchitoches, Louisiana, at the age of 30. Combined with the death of Gram Parsons, it was a bad couple of days in the music world. I was a fan of his music before he died and I was saddened by his untimely passing. The obvious play here is the maudlin "Time In A Bottle," but I'm going to play my favorite Jim Croce song instead.

Jim Croce - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown; 9/19/23, 9:06 PM
Buckwheathikes said...: Well what do you know ... the United States Government finally caught up to Ray Epps.

You remember Ray Epps. He was the ringleader of the January 6 Insurrection on the United States Capital. Why, he tried to overturn OUR DEMOCRACY. He led the January 6 Insurrectionists right into our nation's heart.

Remember Ray? He's the only January 6 insurrectionist who got a Prime Time interview with 60 Minutes. Now why would that be? Well, 60 Minutes wanted to show that Ray Epps wasn't actually a government plant. He was just a run of the mill Insurrectionist. That got on 60 Minutes.

Now the DOJ has finally gotten around to arresting him. For a misdeameanor. And they've already arranged a plea deal. With no Gulag time.

Because Ray Epps, you know, he's not a government agent provacateur, dontcha know.; 9/19/23, 9:07 PM
Rusty said...: I think that's Sumac, Owen. Meade can correct me if I'm wrong.; 9/19/23, 9:09 PM
Clyde said...: In last night's cafe post, I shared a list of some of my favorite female singers for Gospace. One of them was Molly Tuttle. Today, I stumbled across this video of Molly Tuttle & Golden Highway performing their cover version of Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" in full costume. I greatly enjoyed it and I hope you will, too.

Molly Tuttle & Golden Highway - White Rabbit (Live); 9/19/23, 9:10 PM
Buckwheathikes said...: The good news is that Ray Epps and his wife are now accused and soon to be convicted insurrectionists who were trying to DESTROY OUR DEMOCRACY.

So, in order to protect our Democracy, they should be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their natural lives and if any harm comes to them ... well, that would only be to protect our Democracy right? So it's all good, right? And it's not like they're government agents, protected by the laws that protect federal agents. We can just beat the sh|t out of them. And not have any federal charges overhanging us.

Right?; 9/19/23, 9:23 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: From the platform formerly known as Twitter: Pennsylvania students stage a walkout to protest the bathroom policies which allow males in female restrooms

As long as the students don’t call themselves a Proud Boys sounding name or go insurrectiony I guess this is good.; 9/19/23, 9:42 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: FoxNews: Newsom justifies Hunter Biden business deals, says using family to ‘get a little influence’ is ‘hardly unique'

Comfortably Smug via X: Incredible

We've gone from

1). Hunters laptop is Russian disinformation
2). Hunter did nothing wrong
3). Hunter did drugs, but not corruption

And finally

4). Actually, corruption is good.; 9/19/23, 9:53 PM
Ampersand said...: The new Walter Aaronson bio of Elon Musk is NOT a hit job. It tries to tell the story honestly. Recommended.; 9/19/23, 9:55 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: J-6 - the real story; 9/19/23, 10:00 PM
Quaestor said...: HOW DO YOU DO THIS?

That's your curtain call, Meade.; 9/19/23, 10:25 PM
Quaestor said...: Acacia?; 9/19/23, 10:29 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Lee Fung Substack : Emails Show Decade of Hunter Biden Spinning Journalists on Foreign Business Deals

“The laptop emails show that the team closely monitored critical reporting and pushed to shape coverage with reporters from the New York Times, Time magazine, Wall Street Journal, and the Associated Press.”

We now know how Twitter was manipulated into censoring stories. What did the Biden’s do to get media giants to go along with their corruption?

I mean, sadly the Governor of California is right, what’s a little corruption among political families.

The bigger story is how and why did big media fall in line? How did the paper of record fail to record this corruption, happening in broad daylight?; 9/19/23, 10:52 PM
gadfly said...: tim in vermont said...
But Ray Epps was not a Fed. I repeat, Ray Epps was not a Fed.

OMG! Tucker Carlson repeatedly declared without proof that Epps was a federal agent. The FBI confirmed that Epps never acted on their behalf nor had he ever been an FBI employee. So in the end Tucker and Fox are being sued yet again - this time by Ray Epps.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Epps was charged with disorderly conduct on restricted grounds, a misdemeanor offense that hundreds of the J6 Capitol rioters have faced. He pleaded guilty in order to get a reduced sentence and reduced legal fees.; 9/20/23, 12:42 AM
Crazy World said...: Beautiful picture!
What a week and it’s only Tuesday. Going to Maui on Friday to support the local community.; 9/20/23, 12:47 AM
gadfly said...: tim in vermont said...
But Ray Epps was not a Fed. I repeat, Ray Epps was not a Fed.

OMG! Tucker Carlson repeatedly declared without proof that Epps was a federal agent. The FBI confirmed that Epps never acted on their behalf nor had he ever been an FBI employee. So in the end Tucker and Fox are being sued yet again - this time by Ray Epps.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Epps was charged with disorderly conduct on restricted grounds, a misdemeanor offense that hundreds of the J6 Capitol rioters have faced. He pleaded guilty in order to get a reduced sentence and reduced legal fees.; 9/20/23, 12:50 AM
Owen said...: Rusty: yeah, I’m a plant moron. Definitely not ferns.; 9/20/23, 3:40 AM
wendybar said...: THIS is what a joke our country has become under Biden...Two assholes who lied under oath....All you can do is laugh at them, or cry of embarrassment at what they did to America.

"Two of the members are former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan. Clapper and Brennan were both key individuals who pushed the false Russia narrative during the Trump administration, claiming the 2016 election was stolen and claimed Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" just weeks before the 2020 presidential election. Clapper lied under oath during congressional testimony about the federal government spying on American citizens. Brennan called Trump a traitor, implying he should be put to death. He has the same disdain for Americans who support Trump and other Republicans. Clapper and Brennan are far left radicals who believe the federal government should be used to silence dissent. "
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2023/09/19/mayorkas-appoints-a-cabal-of-liars-to-new-homeland-security-project-n2628648; 9/20/23, 3:58 AM
wendybar said...: Pelosi lied, causing people to die. (funny, how she had her daughter there to film this for her documentary about this deadly event that killed Trump supporters only)

"Chief Sund: Yeah, that is correct. I spoke to Speaker Pelosi three times that evening. And she went on national TV and said, I’d never spoken to her, but I spoke to her three times."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/pelosi-lied-former-capitol-police-chief-sund-testifies/; 9/20/23, 4:24 AM
wendybar said...: Now Fetterman is strolling naked through an airport...He must REALLY hate clothes.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1704328007148609561; 9/20/23, 4:40 AM
Jamie said...: I thought of an example of the grammatical conundrum I was complaining about in the last sunrise cafe!

"What makes me angry are the statements they keep making."

THIS is the construction that I've run across several times recently. And I see why, think - the plain old word "what" is indeterminate in number, even though the rest of the subject, "makes me angry," implies that "what" is singular. But what I've seen recently and don't remember seeing in the past is that the verb agrees with the part of the sentence that is definitely and uniformly determinate in number, the predicate nominative. Is this correct?

I would still have used "is" instead of "are" here. Now, if I were to reverse the sentence - "The statements they keep making are what makes me angry" - I would use "are" and I can't imagine it another way. But in my original example, I swear I've been seeing "are" instead of "is" even though the "what" is used in a singular sense.

So - is this a special case, when a sentence begins with "what" for some reason (or, I suppose, "who" or "that which")? Because it still seems to me that in deciding the subject-verb agreement, you should consider the WHOLE subject, not just the indeterminate word or phrase that opens the subject.; 9/20/23, 5:30 AM
Jamie said...: My example doesn't apply to "that which," I don't think. "Those which" would be the clearly plural form. Sorry, my whole comment woke me up out of a sound sleep.; 9/20/23, 5:41 AM
jim5301 said...: More BS from Tim. What’s the name of the person who got 6 months for yelling 1776. I would like to fact check your claim.; 9/20/23, 5:51 AM
Rusty said...: Tim
It is probably regional and has to do with the soil composition.; 9/20/23, 7:31 AM
donald said...: I cruised over to Gram’s burial plot yesterday. I brought a 12 pack of Corona (He’s drinking Corona in a semi famous photo) and a big fat hooter. Don’t know what I expected but there were a couple of sisters there. They live close by and go over a few times a year. It was just us, so we had a few beers, did the hooter and shared some Gram stories. One of them mentioned Joe Biden’s kind words to the people of Maui and I laughed. I stopped at the IP on the way back home, got up about $800.00, then blew it all on one double deck. It was not a sad, sad day.; 9/20/23, 7:39 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Blogger wendybar said...
Now Fetterman is strolling naked through an airport...He must REALLY hate clothes.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1704328007148609561

9/20/23, 4:40 AM

Fetterman's going to start wearing diapers and spraying Starbuck's whipped cream into his diaper as a fashion statement. Awe, so soothing!; 9/20/23, 7:46 AM
Jaq said...: Owen Shroyer never entered the Capitol. He was sentenced for speech, for "helping to create January 6th on his radio program," and for shouting "1776" in the demonstrations.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1701638644354699404

Ray Epps vehemently urged people to enter the Capitol. It's on video. He is as responsible as anybody for the stuff that happened that day, but he gets puff pieces in the media, and kid glove treatment by the DoJ.

The QAnon Shaman also got a heavy sentence based on his political expression: "The third person with such a sentence was Jacob Chansley, who did not engage in violence but whose visage as the “QAnon shaman” became an indelible symbol of Jan. 6."

I know you guys hate free speech, but this authoritarian use of selective prosecution, where were the prosecutions in the Kavanaugh hearings? The complete disinterest in the role of the FBI in this demonstration that certainly got out of hand, and the complete lack of interest in decisions such as declining National Guard protection for the Capitol building, as offered by Donald Trump, is more than a little disturbing.

All violent offenders should be prosecuted, for sure. But the prosecution of political speech is USSR level stuff. But hey, I thought that the guys throwing improvised explosive devices into Federal Courthouses in Portland, or attempting to burn down occupied jails. should be prosecuted heavily too, but the DoJ takes care of their supporters, and they walked, collecting the bail money provided by donations, as solicited by Kamala Harris, for example, in their pockets, as pay for their work on behalf of the Democrats.; 9/20/23, 7:51 AM
Iman said...: Just throw a “where as” in there, Jamie, and it it becomes clear.; 9/20/23, 8:03 AM
Jaq said...: Zelensky just said in the U.N. that the reason Ukraine gave up its nukes was because they were unable to bypass the launch codes.; 9/20/23, 8:17 AM
Jaq said...: Epps whispered in the ear of man responsible for 1st exterior breach; ran up the stairs with a bunch of Proud Boys and at least a few informants; interfered with police; and remained on restricted grounds for over an hour.

He's literally everywhere on the west side from before Congress started joint session until after they recessed.

So strange that they guy who said "We need to go into the Capitol" is the one J6er whom Democrats like gadfly defend at every turn. Maybe he isn't a Fed, but the fact that he was in the Oath Keepers is not evidence that he wasn't. Look at the Whitmer plot, that group was rife with Feds.; 9/20/23, 8:48 AM
Mrs. X said...: Jamie, I think “what makes me angry” is a relative clause. In which case, “statements” is the subject, and “are” is the correct verb. (Notice here, “statements” is the subject, not “statements” are the subject, because “subject” is the subject!); 9/20/23, 9:06 AM
jim5301 said...: Tim - The Shroyer charge:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1428176/download

As you can see, he was charged with knowingly entering and remaining in a restricted area, not with simply exercising his free speech rights. I guess you get four Pinocchios.; 9/20/23, 9:25 AM
Jaq said...: ChatGPT weighs in:

The sentence "What makes me angry are the statements they keep making." is not strictly grammatically correct. The issue lies in the subject-verb agreement. The subject "What" is singular and refers to a singular entity, which is "the statements they keep making." Thus, the verb should also be singular.

The grammatically correct sentence should be:
"What makes me angry is the statements they keep making."

However, it's worth noting that in casual speech and writing, people might overlook this kind of mistake, and the original sentence could be understood without confusion. But for formal contexts, it's essential to maintain proper subject-verb agreement

I mean, you have "What is he doing?" and "What are they doing." which suggest that the verb doesn't agree with "what" at all, and it is not really the subject of the sentencer at all. So I asked Chat about that:; 9/20/23, 9:31 AM
Jaq said...: OK, instead of relaying ChatGPT's extensive analysis of the sentence, I am going to quote one paragraph from it, which I think kind of explains it, and after it, Chat suggests a rephrase if you are uncomfortable with how a sentence sounds.

The word "what" in these kinds of sentences often tends to take a singular verb form, especially when it's functioning as a placeholder or representing an unknown entity. It's almost as if the construction begins with an assumption of singularity, which is then specified or clarified as the sentence progresses.

I think that this construction is primarily for spoken English. End of rabbit hole.; 9/20/23, 9:53 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: I'll believe it's a crisis in Ukraine when the people there start acting like it's crisis. The people of Kyiv are out partying rather than fighting on the front, or buying Ukrainian Liberty bonds to fund the war.

No $24B for Ukraine. We need an audit of the current subsidies and arms shipments. How much of that has been funneled back to Nancy Pelosi and Joe "China owns me!" Biden?; 9/20/23, 10:27 AM
wendybar said...: The Kennedy's need abortion to cover up their bad behavior...so this doesn't surprise me in the least. Because it is so courageous to be a leftist today when half the country is forced to think like you or be cancelled.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2023/09/19/nbc-promotes-kennedy-profile-courage-award-pro-abort-legislators-s; 9/20/23, 10:39 AM
wendybar said...: And Carolines kids is a geek who is brainwashed. Biden is a great president?? His Grandfather is rolling over in his grave.; 9/20/23, 10:40 AM
wendybar said...: Another Anti WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GOVERNMENT DOING TO US song...

He sounds like Eminem. It is good if you like that kind of music. And it ends with George Carlin telling us how little the Government cares about us.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1703919192787784062; 9/20/23, 12:31 PM
Rusty said...: If it was restricted, jim, why did the authorities invite him in?; 9/20/23, 1:48 PM
Josephbleau said...: “Zelensky just said in the U.N. that the reason Ukraine gave up its nukes was because they were unable to bypass the launch codes.”

He may have said that but it is hardly believable. If you have the physics package, including a core, the explosive lenses, the initiator, the tampers, etc, you can make your own detonator system even if you have to get some black market klixons. Ukraine has a very sophisticated arms industry and can make their own cruise missiles. Ukrainians are not dumber than the North Koreans or Pakistanis are they?; 9/20/23, 2:00 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Democrats are desperate to keep Donald Trump off the primary ballots. They're going to be in for a rude awakening if they succeed. His name may not be on the printed ballot, but you can bet it'll be on the turned-in ballots after the Republican voters write it in. I can see a pissed off electorate giving the Democrat apparatchiks a big middle finger salute to their non-democratic behavior. I see landslide-size votes for DJT.; 9/20/23, 2:51 PM
Narr said...: I'm sure Zelensky, who was what, fifteen when the Uke de-nuke deal was made, knows exactly what the reasoning was . . . and don't forget, he's a comedian.

Pols say a lot of things. According to Zeihan, the late E. Prigozhin confessed to rigging the 2016 election for Trump. If "confessed" is the right word, but the claim has a certain cynical wit.; 9/20/23, 3:07 PM
Jaq said...: I just said that that is what Zelensky said. But the weapons were not built by Ukraine and did not belong to Ukraine, and none of the other nuclear powers wanted Ukraine and the other former Soviet republics to have them, so too bad, so sad.; 9/20/23, 4:10 PM
Jaq said...: Epps was in the same restricted area. Why do you guys all seem to defend a guy who was all over the place urging people to enter the Capitol.; 9/20/23, 4:54 PM
Jaq said...: Could have prevented the whole mess by listening to Donald Trump and accepting National Guard troops.

Three days before Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving rejected Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund’s request for National Guard help because Mr. Irving said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) would “never go for it,” Mr. Sund testified before a House subcommittee on Sept. 19. - ZeroHedge; 9/20/23, 5:27 PM
Josephbleau said...: Yes the DOJ got a tit in the wringer over Epps, they can’t give him any serious time or he may spill the plot, so they have to let him off with a plea deal or no punishment. Being painted into a corner, they just shove the episode up the public’s ass and hope they can deny until next November. I am really surprised they charged him at all. They would have been better off just letting him go without any charges and playing stupid if asked about it. That would prevent an uncooperative judge from challenging a plea deal.; 9/20/23, 6:15 PM
Narr said...: Nobody invades countries that possess (known) nukes. A lesson for the world.; 9/20/23, 6:20 PM
Jaq said...: If 100 cars drive by a cop doing 10 mph over the speed limit, and only one flips off the cop, and that guy gets pulled over and gets a ticket, I don't care what it says on the ticket, that guy was ticketed for flipping off a cop.; 9/20/23, 6:56 PM

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