Althouse: At the Tuesday Night Café…

August 29, 2023

At the Tuesday Night Café…

… you can talk about whatever you want.

59 comments:

Lem the artificially intelligent said...: YouTube: "Well, That Happened" - The Death Of Sincerity In Blockbusters

Once in a while my algorithm serves me something worth watching.; 8/29/23, 7:44 PM
jnseward said...: I am reading Thomas Paine’s Common Sense for the first time. Such lovely 18th century prose, such clear thinking, such high expectations of the reader. I was struck by the fact that he backs all of his arguments, against monarchy for example, with quotes from scripture. He relies on the cultural knowledge and belief in the Bible of his readers to make his points, not only clear, but irrefutable. This was the foundation of our Republic. How far we have fallen.; 8/29/23, 8:39 PM
Big Mike said...: So now we learn that Joe Biden claims that he literally convinced Strom Thurmond (then a Democrat) into voting for the Civil Rights Act.

Problem with this claim:
(1) The Civil Rights Act was voted on in 1964. At that time Joe Biden was just another undergraduate student at the University of Delaware.

(2) Strom Thurmond voted against the Civil Right Act.

Okay, fair's fair. According to the White House Biden may have been thinking (if I may abuse the term by applying it to anything Joe Biden does) of the Voting Rights Act of 1980. Except I cannot find any reference to any Voting Rights Act in 1980. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was extended for 25 years in 1982. Two gaffes for the price of one?; 8/29/23, 8:45 PM
Big Mike said...: I admit to getting a laugh out of the way the Tribal Rangers dealt with the climate protestors and their illegal barricade of traffic through the Pyramid Lake Reservation. The climate protestors are upset that the Ranger drew his firearm, but my word the climate protestors is just this:

Do not attempt to screw with the Tribal law officers on reservation land. They have very valid complaints about us Wasi'chu going back more than 150 years.; 8/29/23, 8:54 PM
Old and slow said...: Ran 6 miles this morning after a 48 hour fast. Lord did that feel like a death march. Had a dinner of salmon, salad, and dates tonight. I'm going to feel like a million bucks when I hit the trails tomorrow morning. A full 2 day water fast makes intermittent fasting seem so easy.; 8/29/23, 8:59 PM
roger said...: Another instance in which government seeks to stifle Religious Freedom:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/08/29/federal-judge-rules-city-cant-ban-farmer-views-same-sex-marriage/

If a citizen declines to stage Same Sex Marriage on his farm, his property, the government cannot punish him by banning him from the Farmer's Market in the next town.

The Left never sleeps.; 8/29/23, 9:33 PM
tim in vermont said...: An article by a nationally known fact-checking service disputed recent conservative media accounts of the Muskegon episode.

“While the total number of voter registration forms submitted by that person may add up to as much as 12,500, very few of them were deemed to be fraudulent," the fact checker said.

“Page 3 of the MSP [Michigan State Police] report says Meisch ‘turned over 42 suspected fraudulent applications to Officer Foster [of the Muskegon Police Department] for examination.’”

The fact checker didn't state that the 42 applications were a sampling.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mystery-swirls-over-batch-thousands-2020-voter-registration-forms-michigan

Fact chucker.; 8/29/23, 9:39 PM
Temujin said...: Rainy and windy down here on the Gulf Coast tonight.; 8/29/23, 9:42 PM
Eva Marie said...: The Rogan podcast, referenced earlier, mentioned the Clinton painting at Epstein’s island. The painter was Petrina Ryan-Klein.“Artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid exhibited the original painting, which is called 'Parsing Bill', for her degree show when she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art . . . When the school put on a fundraiser at the Tribeca Ball that year, they sold my painting to one of the attendees.” (Daily Mail)

https://pryankleid.wordpress.com/author/pryankleid/

Here’s the painting - Bill Clinton’s hand gesture “apparently inspired by the famous image of Uncle Sam used in James Montgomery Flagg’s World War I recruiting poster.”
If you scroll down (several paintings down) you can see her painting War Games (2012): George Bush playing with a paper airplane and building blocks. Scroll down much further and you’ll see Poprah For Women (2012). I think she’s holding the keys to one of the cars in her famous car give away.
All 3 are very powerful images.
The George Bush portrait speaks to me the most. Especially because it reminds me of the big show he made of painting “physically and/or mentally wounded U.S. Armed Forces veterans (Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force) of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. And then he said nothing when Biden orchestrated that calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
It was all War Games.; 8/29/23, 9:51 PM
Michael K said...: Biden has mastered time travel as he claimed he convinced Strom Thurmond to vote while Biden was in high school. No wonder he looks a bit odd. Maybe he should time travel back to 1987 when he was claiming that he was on full scholarship in law school.; 8/29/23, 9:59 PM
FullMoon said...: Relieved. Became concerned I had the newest Covid.
Was simply the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie-woogie flu.; 8/29/23, 10:04 PM
Eva Marie said...: “Biden has mastered time travel as he claimed he convinced Strom Thurmond to vote while Biden was in high school.“
From the Daily Wire: The White House told Fox News Digital a different story, however, saying that Biden had meant to say he convinced Thurmond to support the 1980 Voting Rights Act.; 8/30/23, 12:51 AM
gadfly said...: tim in vermont said...
An article by a nationally known fact-checking service disputed recent conservative media accounts of the Muskegon episode.

tim - the story is about workers for GBI attempting to get paid for getting and submitting completed voter registration forms. But this was a no-harm-no-foul situation discovered and reported by the Muskegon City Clerk.

Michigan State Police confirmed to reporters at the time that "none of the alleged fraudulent voter registrations resulted in voters receiving absentee ballot applications or ballots, any resulting registrations have been voided, and there is no expected impact on any election."

You just cannot trust Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, and Zero Hedge reporting.; 8/30/23, 1:43 AM
wendybar said...: You just cannot trust Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, and Zero Hedge reporting.

8/30/23, 1:43 AM

Hate to tell you gadfly....you can't trust ANY of what ANY of the media reports, since most of them have done NOTHING but lie to us for years.; 8/30/23, 3:31 AM
wendybar said...: Jonathan Turley takes down WAPO and their lying columnist...Phillip Bump for his constant lies, and WAPO's standing by their man. Democracy DIED in their darkness....

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/29/washington-post-stands-by-philip-bumps-false-claims-on-lafayette-park-and-other-disproven-claims/#comments; 8/30/23, 4:11 AM
john mosby said...: I brought this up in the willful bllindness post - please excuse the double post:

Could the prosecution just stipulate that fraud occurred, and that it swung the election?

This way Trump can’t get discovery or even talk about it in trial.

The prosecution theory would focus on the principle that you don’t get to do self-help in this country, see, e.g., OJ liberating his stolen memorabilia.

The MSM would just bury the stipulation, and toss some snide remarks at Fox to the effect that they don’t understand trial tactics.

Does a stipulation create res judicata? Even if it does, no one will ever get to use it: standing/laches/mootness.

Am I missing something? Maybe the prosecution wants a huge discovery goatrope, to kick the can past the election?

Thanks in advance to any trial tacticians who can educate me!

JSM; 8/30/23, 4:19 AM
Big Mike said...: You just cannot trust Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, and Zero Hedge reporting.

And we certainly cannot trust you.; 8/30/23, 4:35 AM
Big Mike said...: The White House told Fox News Digital a different story, however, saying that Biden had meant to say he convinced Thurmond to support the 1980 Voting Rights Act.

And might I ask, what Voting Rights Act would that be? There was a a vote on a 25 year extension in 1982. Look for an other “clarification.”; 8/30/23, 4:39 AM
tim in vermont said...: The point was that the "fact check" was complete BS

Fact Check: Michigan Police Did NOT Find 'Tens Of Thousands' Of Fake Voter Registration Applications

In fact they did find thousands of fake applications.; 8/30/23, 4:54 AM
Mr. Forward said...: The Extinction Rebellion should change their name to Red Smudge On The Highway.; 8/30/23, 5:26 AM
rehajm said...: There is no such thing as a ‘nationally known fact checking service’. Fact checkers in media are all op-ed and their goal is neither facts nor checking…

If you really want to lie hard, expand it to an internationally known fact checking service. Just save that one for the really big whoppers….; 8/30/23, 5:42 AM
Inga said...: “You just cannot trust Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, and Zero Hedge reporting.”

Yet they continue to do just that. I’m thinking of the viral freak out that Covid mandates were coming by mid October. This rumor was started by Alex Jones, the same guy that was sued by parents of children who were killed in Sandy Hook. Alex Jones said it was a hoax. Why is the right so susceptible to such disinformation?; 8/30/23, 5:51 AM
Tina Trent said...: Gadfly: so a federal sting operation showed that the county clerk caught the federal culprits? OK, why do you think they chose this type of sting operation? And do you think we know the outcome in places where a county clerk didn't catch them? Do you think we know the whole story?

You don't even name the "fact-checking" site.

Do you think the Feds don't bleed out biased and spun information to their favorite sources to foment specific political reactions?

Do you believe in the credibility of fact-checkers?; 8/30/23, 5:56 AM
Rich said...: A president and an administration that does not believe in and does not promote the rule of law is weakening the state and its institutions. If you can’t trust facts, you start ‘believing’ in things rather than knowing what is right. That is the starting point for fascism.

It's easy to see how conspiracy theories of stolen elections grow when everyone you know, socialize with and who provides your news has the same views. In many ways this self censorship and voluntary blindness is more frightening than that imposed by a totalitarian system. I fear that if Trump loses again many of his supporters will convince themselves that , in the Brit parlance 'we wuz robbed' and take a position unchallengeable by evidence to the continued embittering and degradation of US society; 8/30/23, 6:04 AM
Enigma said...: @Big Mike: "Do not attempt to screw with the Tribal law officers on reservation land. They have very valid complaints about us Wasi'chu going back more than 150 years."

Left wing movements always end with infighting and circular firing squads. Tribes routinely vote left, but are generally traditional (conservative). Road-blocking protesters are typically revolutionaries and anarchists regardless of the protest flavor-of-the-day. We are currently in an era where the fading young radicals of the 1960s and 1970s have hoodwinked the young radicals of the 2010s and 2020s into thinking they are allies. Nope, they have wildly different visions of how the world "Must Be," with the old ones merely demanding to stay in power.

I foresee shocking political earthquakes as the age 70+ politicians die off and provide breathing space for a real left-right realignment.; 8/30/23, 6:20 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Headline from New York Post

Microplastics trigger behavioral changes akin to dementia: study

I agree completely; 8/30/23, 6:29 AM
gilbar said...: gadfly is correct
This person was caught, so "no foul" that is: nothing happened to THEM
And OBVIOUSLY.. this person, was OBVIOUSLY the Only Person working for GBI that committed vote fraud
in fact, OBVIOUSLY.. This person was the Only Person IN THE UNITED STATES committing vote fraud

How do we Know that? Because gadfly SAID so.. You just can trust gadfly reporting
Can't you? I mean, has there EVER been ANY indication that gadfly is full of it?
I thought so; 8/30/23, 6:44 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Turns out you have to drive your EV 57,749 miles before the reductions in tailpipe emissions exceed the emissions associated with the production of their batteries, according to a Harvard study.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/08/when-buying-an-ev-increases-your-carbon-footprint/; 8/30/23, 6:58 AM
Rusty said...: Got everything back together. It runs. It moves. No leaks...............so far.
I won't have to do it again for another 100,000 miles. That will be 315,000.
The cooler weather made it easier to work so I got more done.; 8/30/23, 6:59 AM
Rusty said...: So far, Gadfly, they've proven much more acurate than the trash you post here masquerading as "facts". What do you do? Sit at home all day just watching CNN and MSNBC?; 8/30/23, 7:06 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: The Macho Response: Don't Believe Anything (Anybody Ever Says) Ever Again; 8/30/23, 7:07 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: “Fact-checkers” are the worst form of propaganda that the DNC-Media complex uses to obscure, twist and shade the facts. If they had a legitimate purpose then they would actually correct the blizzard of lies from the current administration, like Biden’s ridiculous claims about the Civil Rights Act. Or his phony job numbers that are routinely revised downward as they were today.

But they don’t. They inject opinion while pretending to facts. Hell, the hack Kestler keeps disappearing for weeks at a time. Is it because there are no news items to correct? No it’s because WaPo approves of the blizzard of lies pouring forth on the news. Citing fact checkers is the last refuge of a propagandist.; 8/30/23, 7:15 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Further to my earlier post, and according to Siri, the average EV is driven 5,300 miles per year in the U.S.

So let’s see. 57,749 miles to recover emissions of battery production divided by 5300 miles driven per year equals a payback period in net emissions of 10.9 years.

Happy motoring, you EV drivers out there.; 8/30/23, 7:23 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Further to my earlier post, and according to Siri, the average EV is driven 5,300 miles per year in the U.S.

So let’s see. 57,749 miles to recover emissions of battery production divided by 5300 miles driven per year equals a payback period in net emissions of 10.9 years.

Happy motoring, you EV drivers out there.; 8/30/23, 7:23 AM
Old and slow said...: I'm no fan of Gadfly, but he is right about Gatewaypundit and Zerohedge. They are extremely unreliable, and anyone who pretends otherwise is dishonest or delusional. That's not to say that they NEVER get anything right, but they are not to be relied on at all. Can't speak to Epochtimes because I'm not willing to sign up for it.; 8/30/23, 7:31 AM
Iman said...: Go work on your next 5 year plan, ‘fly.; 8/30/23, 7:45 AM
Leland said...: Why is Alphabet YouTube blocking a video montage of Democrats denouncing elections as illegitimate and stolen? They claim it is violent rhetoric, but none of the Democrats in the video have ever been accused of inciting violence in relation to their claims. So why is this video banned?; 8/30/23, 7:49 AM
Iman said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/30/23, 7:52 AM
Iman said...: Mike (MJB Wolf) @7:15am…+5.; 8/30/23, 7:53 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: Confirmed to reporters?
OK. Lets go with that.
This "example" transported me back to elementary school. We had to take tests titled "Reading For Meaning", where paragraphs were read and questions were posed concerning our recognition of accurate content of those paragraphs.
Has such testing been abandoned?
WHAT REPORTERS?; 8/30/23, 7:59 AM
Gahrie said...: Yet they continue to do just that. I’m thinking of the viral freak out that Covid mandates were coming by mid October. This rumor was started by Alex Jones, the same guy that was sued by parents of children who were killed in Sandy Hook. Alex Jones said it was a hoax. Why is the right so susceptible to such disinformation?

Why is President Biden? He has clearly said that COVID mandates are coming back.; 8/30/23, 8:09 AM
tim in vermont said...: "It's easy to see how false narratives of squeaky elections grow when everyone you know, socialize with and who provides your news has the same views. In many ways this self censorship and voluntary blindness is more frightening than that imposed by a totalitarian system. I fear that if Trump wins many Democrats will convince themselves that , in the Brit parlance 'we wuz robbed' and take a position unchallengeable by evidence to the continued embittering and degradation of US society, like what happened in 2016."

Simply refusing to cover the laptop, which was authentic, and which strongly implicates Joe Biden in a massive influence peddling scheme, through government pressure on media outlets and social media companies amounted to election theft. It's not a "theory" that in the Georgia Dome, vote counters turned off the cameras and kicked the Republican scrutineers out of the building, before resuming the vote count in contravention of the law. It's what happened. They were shocked to discover that they hadn't turned off all of the cameras, since they didn't control the video from the Georgia Dome, itself.

You didn't know this because you limit your news consumption to outlets who carefully curate your news to maintain your allegiance to the Democratic Party, no matter how corrupt it is. We Republicans cannot dodge the news narratives that Democrats put out, but you guys can easily pretend that shell corporations owned by Joe and Jill Biden never received $30 million dollars from Ukrainian oligarchs, as reflected in bank records, because the "credible" news outlets you listen to, simply refuse to report it.

Other stories purveyed by the "credible" news outlets.

"COVID was not a lab leak," despite that fact that there is plenty of published research in important journals regarding the experiments being done on bat viruses at Wuhan, including a paper in the Journal Nature, warning against the incredible risks of such research. The odds that it was not a lab leak, but rather a once in a century jump of a bat coronavirus to humans through a third animal that just happened to take place in the same city where the experiments were taking place...

BTW, the guy who wrote the paper pushing the idea that the bat virus research that Fauci approved the funding for was not the source of the pandemic was awaiting approval, by Dr Fauci, of a $9 million dollar research grant. Did MSNBC or NPR fill you in on that one? Does anybody you know have any knowledge of this fact?

Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian Disinformation." I bet everybody you know either believes this lie, or did at one time, and now has moved onto the lie that the laptop doesn't not implicate Joe Biden.

"Hillary Clinton lost the election due to Russian Interference." You guys still believe this one. In fact it's plain as day and wide open that the election interference came from Ukraine, and was *for* Hillary.

Don't you guys ever get tired of being transparently lied to?; 8/30/23, 8:16 AM
Inga said...: “Why is President Biden? He has clearly said that COVID mandates are coming back.”

No, he hasn’t.; 8/30/23, 8:19 AM
jaydub said...: Inga: "Why is the right so susceptible to such disinformation?"

Do you mean susceptible to disinformation like "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Oh, never mind. That was you, wasn't it?; 8/30/23, 8:20 AM
tim in vermont said...: Zero Hedge correctly called out the fact checker's lie. Say what you will about them. The New York Times and Washington Post's record of fudging and manipulation, studious ignorance of certain facts, and the publication of outright lies is as bad as anything from Zero Hedge.

Look at how they spent years pushing lies about Trump and Russia, for one. So forgive me if I look to as many news outlets as I can to try to figure out what is going on, and give "fact chuckers" a good leaving alone.; 8/30/23, 8:22 AM
Humperdink said...: Heard an ad for the Kia Niro EV boasting a range of 253 miles. Of course those advertised ranges are typically on the high side. They must think the general public is stoopid .... and they are right.; 8/30/23, 8:27 AM
Inga said...: Conspiracy theorist spreads false information about the return of COVID-19 mandates; 8/30/23, 8:29 AM
Gahrie said...: “Why is President Biden? He has clearly said that COVID mandates are coming back.”

No, he hasn’t.

here; 8/30/23, 8:33 AM
tim in vermont said...: "No one knows what Mueller knows!" - Inga

Turned out to be true, just not in the way she thought, because Mueller was senile.; 8/30/23, 8:36 AM
Inga said...: Gahrie…

“Biden administration to urge Americans get new COVID-19 boosters”

Seriously? Encouraging people to get boosters and mandating people to get boosters are two different things. How can one go and misconstrue encouragement with a mandate? I encourage you to stop catastrophizing.; 8/30/23, 8:46 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: Why the lockstep claim that Jan 6 was an insurrection?
This article explains the language more clearly.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/29/ruling-class-casually-mulls-over-post-civil-war-measures-to-bar-trump-from-the-presidency/; 8/30/23, 8:54 AM
tim in vermont said...: Remember when the "credible" media outlets claimed that Joe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter's business dealings?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/hunter-biden-investigation-business-boomed-key-dinners

These are the outright lies peddled by the New York Times in 2020

The Post article relied on documents purportedly taken from the computer to try to buttress an unsubstantiated argument peddled by Mr. Giuliani and other Trump supporters: that as vice president, Mr. Biden had shaped American foreign policy in Ukraine to benefit his son. The events are the latest chapter in a more than two-year effort by the president and his allies to uncover damning information about the Bidens, a pursuit that also helped prompt Mr. Trump’s impeachment.

Mr. Biden has long said he knew nothing about his son’s business activities in Ukraine. But the article suggested that the former vice president met with an adviser to a Ukrainian energy company whose board Hunter Biden sat on, Burisma Holdings. The article referred to an email that the adviser, Vadym Pozharskyi, sent to Hunter Biden thanking him for “giving an opportunity to meet your father” and to spend “some time together.”

A Biden campaign spokesman said Mr. Biden’s official schedules did not show a meeting between the two men. A lawyer for Hunter Biden, George Mesires, told The Washington Post that “this purported meeting never happened.”

The New York Post reporter who wrote most of the article refused to put his name on it because of concerns about its credibility, two [anonymous] Post employees have said [claimed].

It turned out that the report was perfectly credible, and the concerns were more likely about career prospects in a media world where loyalty to Joe Biden is the coin of the realm. Anyway, this kind of bold lie got Joe Biden elected, despite the public knowledge of his corruption, and we are supposed to be concerned that Zero Hedge sometimes slants the news to make Joe Biden look bad.; 8/30/23, 9:29 AM
tim in vermont said...: That's what it looks like when Inga actually has a point. Most of the time, she doesn't, so she just slinks away.; 8/30/23, 9:30 AM
lonejustice said...: When asked if he would "lock people up" if elected for a second White House term, former President Donald Trump on Tuesday said that he would have "no choice."

"The answer is you have no choice because they’re doing it to us," Trump said in a podcast interview with Glenn Beck on Tuesday.
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Yeah, just like he was going to lock up Hillary.; 8/30/23, 10:49 AM
Gospace said...: Inga said...
Gahrie…

“Biden administration to urge Americans get new COVID-19 boosters”

Seriously? Encouraging people to get boosters and mandating people to get boosters are two different things. How can one go and misconstrue encouragement with a mandate? I encourage you to stop catastrophizing.

Get the shot or get kicked out of the armed forces. No, we're not forcing you to get it, we're just "encouraging" you to get it by providing negative punishing incentives. Totally different then requiring it with a mandate!; 8/30/23, 12:49 PM
wendybar said...: McConnell just froze again. Ain't looking good for Mitch...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12462405/Mitch-McConnell-freezes-Senate-Minority-Leader-81-doesnt-respond-questions-30-seconds-worrying-episode.html; 8/30/23, 1:02 PM
Narr said...: "No one knows what Mueller knows." Especially Mueller.

I don't believe in the concept of fact-checker, outside of the narrow traditional journalistic meaning--a smart smurf who tracks down and checks claims made by journalists. In my work I was contacted fairly regularly by earnest people seeking confirmation of this or that claim or quote before going to press. Sometimes (not often enough!) they were asking me to confirm my own words.

Nowadays, "fact-checking" means reinforcing whatever the line of the day happens to be, in the service of spin and slander.; 8/30/23, 2:32 PM
Mason G said...: "McConnell just froze again. Ain't looking good for Mitch..."

I don't know- could be, he's signaling that he's ready to run for president.; 8/30/23, 3:05 PM
Jim at said...: I'm no fan of Gadfly, but he is right about Gatewaypundit and Zerohedge.

Can't speak to Zerohedge as I've never been ... but Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit is a clown. He consistently gets things wrong, is told he has it wrong and never corrects it. Haven't been there since before 2016.

He does conservatives no favor. Which is why I find other, more reliable sources.

But being lectured by leftists about faulty sources of information? That's hilarious.; 8/30/23, 3:48 PM