June 9, 2023

"The present-day body positivity movement is a watered-down version of an older and more radical fat activist movement..."

"... its ideas repackaged for mass consumption by advertisers and marketers. It does not ask us to work on how we regard and treat others, it only asks us to feel better about ourselves. It is purely self-love, with an emphasis on the 'self': the ultimate exercise in navel-gazing. The goal of this form of 'body positivity' is still to have you find yourself lacking, to get you to want, to get you to buy – and whether the capitalist powers that be are using Kendall Jenner’s body or Lizzo’s confidence to sell you your shapewear doesn’t really matter. But there’s one thought I keep coming back to: any activism that does not require you to engage with how you treat your community is not activism at all, and any social progress that is being pushed mostly by market-driven forces has the ability to simply, one day, disappear. That disappearance is more keenly felt now that the 'oh-oh-Ozempic' jingle is coming out of our television sets at an alarming rate, but it began a while ago, perhaps with last year’s breathless headlines that asked us 'could thin be in again?'... "


"The Ozempic moment neatly lays bare exactly how much our society still hates fatness and fat people, and the extreme measures people who are already physically healthy are willing to put themselves through to be just that much leaner.... ... I would rather just stay fat than take a drug that completely rewires my most basic impulses. Ozempic is a new drug, and its long-term effects aren’t yet clear, but it is pretty much universally agreed upon that once you stop taking it, the weight will come right back. Side-effects include vomiting, nausea and diarrhea that can get so intense you land in the ER.... The rapid weight loss the drug facilitates causes you to lose muscle mass and can make you look older, as facial skin sags and wrinkles begin to surface.... [W]hen you are already healthy and a below-average size, and you go to such absurd lengths just to winnow yourself down a little, you are actively trying to put as much distance between yourself and fat people as you possibly can.... What does that say to the people like me who, no matter what they did, would still be on the heavier end of the spectrum?"

41 comments:

Tom T. said...

"Mass consumption." Heh.

tim in vermont said...

You see lots of fat 60 year olds, not so many fat 80 year olds.

Rusty said...

Cut out carbs and don't eat so much. Oh. And exercise. Walking, swimming whatever. It's good for your heart too.

Blastfax Kudos said...

Female obesity was a long time ago celebrated, such as in the Venus of Willendorf. There's an easy way for fat-femininity to be celebrated again, and that's to return to our hominid caves where your next meal might not be till next month, 90% of your children died before their 1st birthday, and getting to 25 was an accomplishment.

tim in vermont said...

Walking is a form of meditation, and its benefits go far beyond cardiovascular health. The mind-clearing aspect of it is also important.

Tina Trent said...

Or maybe, outside the equity slop and celebrity slop this woman consumes, it is a drug used effectively to help type 2 diabetics shed enough pounds to get off dangerous medications and delay deadly complications.

Adrian said...

If y’all like Oscar Wilde, have I got the ozempic take for you:
https://gaty.substack.com/p/the-picture-of-dorian-gray-is-not

Now featuring bonus bill Murray philosophizing! Yum!

Tom T. said...

Most of this column is a series of non sequiturs -- how you treat your community?? I come away with the impression that she has defined herself by her weight and fears losing her identity.

The fact that one has to keep taking the pill to keep the weight off is a weak objection. Obesity can lead to high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. All of those conditions require taking medicine for the rest of one's life, with possible side effects. Would she resist taking insulin because the blood sugar issues would come right back if she stopped?

The part about how she'd rather stay fat than feel better through a pill echoes what people used to say about antidepressants -- that being unhappy was a more honest version of themselves. I think the people who have been helped by antidepressants would tend to say the opposite, that depression was a covering that obscured the real person inside. People helped by Ozempic may wind up feeling the same way.

Owen said...

"...you go to such absurd lengths just to winnow yourself down a little,..."

"Winnow"? Does this writer have a clue about the meaning of the word? And what it will evoke in the mind of the literate reader?

Probably meant "whittle" but the image there is equally unwelcome.

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Humperdink said...

Ghost written by Chris Christie?

Jake said...

How does she feel about puberty blockers and trans affirming surgery?

RigelDog said...

I have Type 2 and plan to discuss taking some form of semaglutide in a few weeks when I see my primary care doc. I have been eating low carb for the past six months and have lost some weight but it's SO slow. I will continue to eat this way regardless, but I really need to shed this weight more quickly because it will make it a lot easier on my joints, which leads to more energy and better exercise. I'd like to start traveling and being more active before I lose any more years.

gilbar said...

Dave Edmunds of Rockpile said it best..
You Let the Knife and Fork Dig Your Grave

Speaking as a person that weighed in this morning at 294.5 lbs*.. Fat KILLS
Put down that Knife and Fork people!! You're KILLING your selves

294.5 lbs* for those of you keeping score; thats down 25lbs since Jan, a total of 80lbs since last Aug
Is gilbar bragging? HELL NO! Talk to gilbar in ANOTHER 80lbs.. THEN he'll be bragging!

Aggie said...

Our bodies are wired from an evolutionary standpoint to store fat for the hard times. Modern society has mostly erased hard times, and we have an abundance of modern foods that are designed to be cheap - and lead to fat storage, as an unintended consequence.

I know a few ladies that have followed the path of The Stars and started using Ozempic. They are overweight and pre-diabetic, so they could get the prescription by working their doctor over a little. They dropped 10 - 15 lb. But now insurance is wising up and declining to underwrite their program, which translates into a $1000/month diet program, with a shot every week.

I find Ozempic's commercial advertising particularly insidious. They've taken Pilot's old song 'Magic' and twisted it right into the slot to suit their purposes. Who, in our age range, doesn't hear the tune and think the lyrics? You hear the first part, 'Oh-Oh-Oh it's Magic, you know...' and, now prompted, in our minds we hear 'Never believe it's not so', even though it's not sung in the commercial. It took a particularly nasty mind to come up with that psychological subliminal-advertising trick.

gilbar said...

Tom T. said..
The part about how she'd rather stay fat than feel better through a pill echoes what people used to say about antidepressants --

And yet.. And Yet.. And Yet, NOW:
we tell 11 year olds they'll 'feel better' taking puberty blockers and HRT pills for the rest of their lives
oh, And IF they chop off their breasts

tim maguire said...

The Ozempic moment neatly lays bare exactly how much our society still hates fatness and fat people

Our society should hate fatness; if anything, it should hate fatness more than it already does. This essay, as with so many other similar arguments, equates hating fatness with hating fat people, but then continues to list them separately, apparently to flesh out a list that was feeling a little thin without it.

I don't object to the body positivity movement to the extent that it encourages people to not hate themselves for their flaws, but I very much object to the "fat is beautiful" part. Fat is not beautiful, it is not healthy, and our society would be better in so many ways if people were in better shape.

gilbar said...

Fat Disgusting Lardasses should 'be happy with their bodies', and Not do ANYTHING to change..
Cute little girls that are scared of having a period are told: take THESE! and let us Chop THOSE!
Seems like a dichotomy somehow.

Serious Question: If a 17 year old girl is morbidly Obese, and gender dysphoric..
What is the diagnosis? What is the treatment? Which do we address?

Gusty Winds said...

I get dizzy, I get numbo
When I'm dancing
With my Jumbo

I don't want her, you can have her
She's too fat for me
She's too fat for me
She's too fat for me

I don't want her, you can have her
She's too fat for me
She's too fat
She's too fat
She's too fat for me

JAORE said...

The body positive march is similar to the Trans movement in one way.

No we should not make fun of people struggling with their weight (raises hand). But I'll be damned if I'll cheer a 375 pound woman and say she's healthy.

Of course we should let trans people live and let live. But I'll be damned if I can agree that it's fine and dandy for a bearded person with an erection to share a shower room with my granddaughters.

Leland said...

I would advise talking to a doctor and not Rachel Pick for your medical advice. For instance, don't go to an ER for your vomiting or nausea (and especially diarrhea) that may be caused by this class of drugs. Take an antacid and consult with your Primary Care Physician or Endocrinologist on your dosage levels.

+1 to Tom T. I was writing a longer rebuttal, but he covered it all in fewer words.

+100! to Tina Trent for using even less words.

Christopher B said...

She's not wrong. The point is to get you to buy what they're selling, and it isn't necessarily a commercial transaction.

Jake said...
How does she feel about puberty blockers and trans affirming surgery?


That's the crux of the matter.
If you *think* you're healthy, it doesn't matter if your AC1 and glucose are off the charts.
If you *think* you're a woman, it doesn't matter if your fake pu$$y wants to close up.
If you *think* you're a man, it doesn't matter if your fake d!ck doesn't work.

Prof Harold Hill (Gary Conservatory of Music, Gold-medal Class of aught-five) ain't got nothing on these people.

Michael said...

Gilbar
Heroic! Congratulations.

Bob Boyd said...

It ain't bragging if you can do it, Gilbar. You the man!
Keep us posted.

Aggie said...

I'm so old, I remember Huggin' and Chalkin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fJVqWmWd0

JK Brown said...

As someone who was really overweight and now just overweight, at my peak I still felt smaller than most people I saw out in the stores, which was scary. Twenty-two months ago, I kind of fell into One-Meal-A-Day and it worked. Lost 60 lbs in a year, then stalled, but didn't worry as other changes seemed to continue.

Then in early April, I migrated to what I guess was keto(ish). I cut bread down (already was religiously no-sugar) and started on a 10 lb drop. A week or so I kind of fell into Carnivore by cutting out my broccoli and mushrooms. This week has been dramatic in that it seems I'm not dropping visceral fat. We shall see.

One societal change is that most of what is in the grocery store, I view as poison (high carb/sugar). And I was wondering the other day how skinny people feel in a sea of people much larger than I ever was. I hope to get personal experience.

But this was interesting. A "lifestyle" couple who had advanced MRIs done with very interesting results for the 40 yr old woman who had been OMAD for 7 years at the time and Carnivore for a few months. They had the doc look at some specific claims made by pontificators about damage to kidney, liver, etc. He found the opposite. And what 40 yr old woman doesn't want to hear her bone marrow and muscle mass is similar to that of a 16 yr old girl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXrdP06tfdw

Ann Althouse said...

If you were not you but a person who is doing to you what you are doing to yourself, would you view yourself as abusive and go no contact?

Gahrie said...

Fat is not beautiful, it is not healthy, and our society would be better in so many ways if people were in better shape.

Personally, I prefer obesity to starvation and malnutrition which are the historical norms for humanity.

Tina Trent said...

Gilbar: do Miracle Noodles. Zero calories, zero carbs. Made of some kind of Asian yam. As satisfying as regular pasta. No boiling. Just rinse and warm them up in sauce. I couldn't do low carb without them. The fettuccine is best. There's an Amazon portal somewhere around here.

Rusty said...

Gilbar,
Hang in there, brother.
I was 267 last time I went in for comprehensive bloodwork. Everything in the normal range. blood pressure 120 over 72. Full nights sleep thanks to CPAP. My cardiologist told me if I want to reduce my risk of a stroke even more is to lose more weight. So. Greatly reduced carbs and another mile a day. It seems to be working.

Bob Boyd said...

Would you bite the hand that overfeeds you?

Leland said...

If you were not you but a person who is doing to you what you are doing to yourself, would you view yourself as abusive and go no contact?

Took awhile to understand this. So if I was a person doing to me, what I might otherwise do to myself, would I consider the behavior abusive? I can think of cases in which the answer could be true, as self-harm is a thing.

I just don't understand "go no contact", unless in reference to Rachel Pick's "And I want no part of it", which is just fine, don't have it, because it may not be for you (she doesn't mention being type II diabetic, which Ozempic makes clear is its purpose). If you take Ozempic to just lose weight and not because you are diabetic, then you are not using the drug as designed. I won't say it is wrong after the covid experience, but using the drug for reasons in which it is not intended is a rational excuse for not using it.

MadisonMan said...

Ozempic is a new drug, and its long-term effects aren’t yet clear
Now do COVID vaccines.
The marketers of Ozempic are clever to use the tune "Magic" in their ads. I wonder how much Pilot is making off of this? Do they get free Ozempic?

Yancey Ward said...

I am old enough to remember the big Phen-Fen craze. I suspect the Ozempic craze will end similarly.

Yancey Ward said...

"You see lots of fat 60 year olds, not so many fat 80 year olds."

Exactly right. Now, I don't know if that is because fat 60 year olds suddenly start losing weight or not, but none of the 80 year olds I see look like they were ever fat. They all look like they were thin/fit people their entire lives.

n.n said...

Obese and starving. Feed America! And diverse forward-looking diet-related comorbidities.

madAsHell said...

Replace all instances of "body positivity" with "transgenderism".

Narr said...

Everyone throwing out weights and losses of weight leaves out their height. 270 at 6'1" (been there, done that) is a lot different than 270 at 5"8 or 9 (which might be my son's destiny).

He works hard and in recent years has started exercising; he cooks fairly healthy, but eats too much fast food out.

My wife and I are probably at our set points* without a lot more exercise or more pharmaceuticals. I won't speak for her but I'll live with the extra chub rather than take more drugs.

*220s for me. Still too much, but considering where I was . . .

Mikey NTH said...

I am perfect just the way I am amd if you think otherwise you are a bigot, a phobic, an -ist of some kind and plain mean!

gilbar said...

Narr, I'm 5 feet 11.5 inches

Narr said...

gilbar, you loser! Keep it up. Down. You know what I mean, you big lug.

When my weight goes higher than about 230, my feet tell me.