ADDED: The book reviewer, Gina Chua, talks about her own experience as a transgender person. It made me wonder about her line "It’s an utterly alien sensation for those who haven’t experienced it." Frankly, I had trouble understanding that sentence. How can something be "an utterly alien sensation for those who haven’t experienced it"? Either you experience it and find it alien — but why is it "alien" if it's what you feel? — or you don't experience it — in which case it is no feeling at all. Eventually, I understood the sentence by editing out "for those who haven’t experienced it." I was going to question the idea of "alienness." What is the point of reference? But the sense of not belonging is very common among human beings. Where does it come from?
June 6, 2023
"Page doesn’t really delve into questions of masculinity, or what it means to be a man, but he brings to life the visceral sense of gender dysphoria..."
"... or at least one type of dysphoria: the sense that your body is betraying you. It’s an utterly alien sensation for those who haven’t experienced it: 'Imagine the most uncomfortable, mortifying thing you could wear. You squirm in your skin. It’s tight, you want to peel it from your body, tear it off, but you can’t. Day in and day out. And if people are to learn what is underneath, who you are without all that pain, the shame would come flooding out, too much to hold. The voice was right, you deserve the humiliation. You are an abomination. You are too emotional. You are not real."
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trans/neogender through simulation and dressing.
You know, the first thing that occurs to me to ask, whenever I meet somebody new, is: 'Tell me about your genitals'.
I'm sure it's the same with everyone else.
"You squirm in your skin. It’s tight, you want to peel it from your body, tear it off, but you can’t."
Not sure how chopping off genetalia and telling the person that they are actually a member of a different group of people but they somehow got 'assigned' the wrong body is supposed to stop that, but then I'm not an MD or a Democrat so what do I know?
This is where the miscommunication originates. If you're an adult and you feel this way and you feel that no other methodology, shameful as it is, is going to work for you, then you do you. Do what makes you feel happy, regardless of how much other people think or feel you're just lying to yourself. The daily mantra that most people hate transvestites and cross-dressers and trans and want to hurt them is a lie. It's simply not true. People are just sick of being insulted by the daily requests by this demographic to ignore reality, and the constant request to aid in the delusion is very irksome.
I agree with Elon Musk to a point. I'll even call you Elliot. What I won't call you is a man. What I won't tolerate is an evangelical extension of your solution as a panacea for the young who are still struggling to adopt an adult identity, much less a gendered one...one existential crisis at a time please.
If you're the age of majority in whatever culture you hail from and you want to go Hellboy Karl Ruprecht Kroenen surgical addiction body-mod on yourself, you go for it. Please stop expecting a plurality to gush that you're stunning and brave for doing so. Don't be surprised by your isolation from anyone except others like you. I just don't understand why this is so controversial.
Page's story strikes me as further proof that the trans movement is conversion therapy by other means.
Soon Elliot Page will be dominating men's track and field events.
The "wise latina" is now a deprecated social experience and gender construct.
Elliot Page got his first big movie success in 2007s "Juno" where he played a teenage girl who gets pregnant and brings the baby to term, and gives birth to a baby boy. It's a pretty good/funny movie.
Ironic with Mr. Page's politics, he didn't object to the script brining the baby to term, rather than heading to the abortion clinic.
I guess this proves men can get pregnant.
Alienation comes from us no longer living in small bands of people, as we did for 99% of our evolution as a species, small bands where we had to care for each other, and where we had rituals for cementing bonds, and cultural ways of bringing people into the fold, and cultural wisdom, gleaned over millennia, to help in our struggles.
"the sense that your body is betraying you"
IOW, a sense of severe mental illness.
"you deserve the humiliation. You are an abomination. You are too emotional. You are not real."
IOW, severe mental illness.
"hard-won happiness"
Does the book prove it? What is happy in such cases?
"is it "alien" if it's what you feel?"
It could be. If you feel at the mercy of destructive emotions you do not fully grasp. Might a kind of self-alienation be common to many forms of mental illness?
one type of dysphoria: the sense that your body is betraying you. It’s an utterly alien sensation for those who haven’t experienced it: 'Imagine the most uncomfortable, mortifying thing you could wear. You squirm in your skin. It’s tight, you want to peel it from your body,
now do anorexia!! you KNOW you WANT to!! DO IT!! DO IT!!!! Do Anorexia !!!
WHY are we FORCING tubby assed 111 lb girls to REMAIN stuck in their FAT ASSED bodies????
Metformin for Anorexics!! METFORMIN FOR ANOREXICS!!! METFORMIN FOR ANOREXICS!!!!!
I think he means "alien" in the sense of "unimaginable," which seems to fit.
You are an abomination It's TRUE! you weigh MORE THAN one HUNDRED pounds !!
You are DISGUSTING!!!! Metformin for Anorexics!!
Is the accompanying photo supposed to be hilarious?
I would think with actors this feeling is more the rule than the exception.
When you're strange
Doctors come out of the rain
The way she talks about clothes is the way anorexics talk about food. I suppose some people are lucky that the pain of their mental illness can be alleviated by changing clothes. For many with mental illness to give in is to die.
Transgender delusion is a mental illness much the same as bi-polar disorder, paranoia, depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia; however, unlike transgenderism society doesn't pretend those suffering from those other disorders are normal and deserving of our support rather than needing treatment. All the navel gazing efforts by (mostly) well-meaning people who are devoted to facilitating transgender delusion help no one, and particularly not the confused youth sucked into the trans vortex.
Someday the gay community will look back on this period and ask "WTF were we thinking when we let trans activists co-opt the LGB movement?" I submit they will conclude very little thought was involved, hence the problem.
I like how we're no longer bothering to spend precious tax dollars on mental health treatments for these folks.
All the more we can send to Ukraine.
Poor girl, really needs mental help. That isn't gender anything, that is mental illness.
So we have long experience with the idea that "inside a fat ( or 'x' ) person is a skinnt ( or 'y') person screaming to be let out. So why not spend the money and resources on kids with other forms of body dysmorphia? Liposuction? Ozempic? How 'bout removing the 12th ribs to give a girl a tinier waist? Do we allow near sighted kids laser eye surgery ( at government expense)? Why should parents and private insurance shoukder the costs of orthodontia? We can via painful surgery give boys longer legs... Or longer penises. Laser hair removal? Tattoos or tattoo removal or treatment for piercings ans brandings that went awry... Point yourvears like an elf or Vulcan? Is there any line of medical possibility that a child may NOT demand to cross?
Just in time for the release of "Pageboy", Elliot is reporting this morning a transphobic verbal assault he suffered recently outside an LA Hotel. This only thing missing from this well timed story is that the attacker didn't claim LA was "MAGA Country".
From the NY Post this morning:
Page, 36, was standing on a corner in West Hollywood on his way to the Pink Dot convenience store when the enraged and hateful stranger approached him, shouting obscenities, according to the Los Angeles Times.
“I’m going to f–king gay bash you, fa—t,” the man yelled, forcing the actor to bolt toward the store in fear.
Employees at the Pink Dot escorted a terrified Page into the shop, but the man allegedly followed him and stood at the store’s doorway.
“This is why I need a gun,” the maniac reportedly yelled at Page through the glass door..
I was hoping you were discussing Lisa Page,...
http://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2023/06/the-power-of-purse-is-no-power-at-all.html
What narcissistic drivel.
Sorry not sorry. Well, maybe this >< sorry for people who clearly are suffering from some savage mental derangement and simply cannot help themselves. But NOT sorry for the penumbral group of attention-seeking idiots who have talked themselves into this permanent crisis and very very much want and need the rest of us to take them seriously.
Yes, I am a bad person. But I'm not buying it.
I think it would be OK, if the sentence were reversed, i.e., "For those who haven't experienced it, it's a completely alien feeling." In that case, it would be implied that some omitted words could be inferred, e.g. "For those who haven't experienced it, it's important to understand that it's a completely alien feeling" or something like that.
It's the same idea as "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" which everyone accepts as OK, even though "frankly" doesn't modify anything in the sentence. We simply infer the longer, clunkier "I state frankly, my dear, that I don't give a damn." Interestingly, if one wrote, "Hopefully, the sun will shine tomorrow," most grammar nazis would be up in arms, even though few would quarrel with the grammatically identical Clark Gable quote.
It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand.
“…the sense that your body is betraying you.”
It is called mental illness. When your body is being ravaged by cancer, then your body is betraying you. When you decide that your perfectly healthy body is the wrong sex, it is your brain that is betraying you.
Wealthy mentally ill people can still eke out a living in Hollywood. Nothing surprising in this story.
Alienation has been a theme of modern life since the invention of the novel and perhaps reached its apex with Kafka in the mid-20th century. If Ellen Page hadn’t been so ignorant and uninformed perhaps she would have realized many people share those feelings and that they are not uniquely attributable to gender dysphoria but to the universal dysphoria of Modern Life. The change she needed was internal to her heart and mind and any physical changes she made could not address her spiritual deficiencies.
I’ve been trying to create a thought experiment:
If you raised “x” number of genetic females and an equivalent number of genetic males in complete isolation from each other (to the extent that they were not even allowed to know the other existed) what percentage would feel dissatisfied with the bodies they were born with? It’s obviously an absurd proposition, but in it is the concept that you cannot be envious of the “other” or dissatisfied with “what is” if there are no alternatives available.
The thought process which says “there’s something about me that isn’t right” relies on the knowledge that me could have been born in a different body, and the desire to inhabit that different body transcends every other need in the hierarchy of survival requirements.
To the extent that it convinces its subject that death is preferable to the status quo.
I’m not so much surprised that the medical community is willing to accommodate these desires, but rather the eagerness with which they pursue the objective.
What is the point of reference?
To limit the acceptable number of those allowed to have an opinion to a small few.
More transgender propaganda. It's getting really old.
"But the sense of not belonging is very common among human beings. Where does it come from?"
Obviously, from some external source. It couldn't possibly just be some neurosis.
How about if you thought you were a SPACE alien.
Would that be OK?
She meant something more like: "It's unlike any other experience people can have, so unless you have experienced it yourself, you can have no conception of how it feels." (That formulation raises huge epistemological and metaphysical questions, but it at least it uses words properly.)
"And if people are to learn what is underneath, who you are without all that pain, the shame would come flooding out, too much to hold. The voice was right, you deserve the humiliation. You are an abomination. You are too emotional. You are not real.""
Enough about anorexia and, shit, garden-variety adolescent alienation. Tell us about gender dysphoria.
Ellen Page is pulling a Jussie Smollett....
https://nypost.com/2023/06/06/elliot-page-reveals-chilling-transphobic-attack-outside-la-hotel/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
In conjunction with said book release the LA Times reports Page was the "victim" of a Jussie Smollet style attack!
The transgender craze comes from needing something cooler than queer. What they are describing is bullshit. All you can know is how you feel inside your own body. You cans say it feels alien, but that’s you me talk illness talking. It’s YOU. You are in YOUR body. As the stoners used to say, “Wherever you go, there you are”
I thought Vanya was a male name. Like Uncle Vanya.
So Vanya to Viktor didn't make sense.
I respect that Ellen Page has whatever she feels. I think a book in about another 10 years would be more informative of her experience. (No, I have not read the book, but I believe that if I did I would have two feelings: (1) sympathy for her, and (2) sadness that she has to deal with her mind in the way she does.) Ellen Page was an absolutely charming actress. And apparently an excellent one given her selling her "girlness" in her roles regardless of how she felt internally. All actors are performing roles when we see them regardless of the setting. That is why their "personal" story is not really helpful to anyone beyond entertainment value, if entertaining it is. If they are marketing that, fine. If they think they are changing the world, then "world changer" is just another performance.
Juno (2007) was good.
Yes, hello, I need to procure a hasty abortion
Feeling uncomfortable in your own skin is very rare--so few people experience growing, experiencing puberty, being pregnant, getting older, etc; I'm glad we have people like Page to explain this unique occurrence.
It used to be the case that something was considered a pathological mental condition when it interfered with one's life. Now some pathologies are defined as truer expressions/experiences of one's authentic life and "normal" existence is itself defined as pathological.
At least there are book sales to be made, I guess.
But the sense of not belonging is very common among human beings. Where does it come from?
Not belonging around others is different than feeling you don't belong in your own body. Fortunately, while I've experienced the normal adolescent angst of not fitting in with the cool crowd, I was always comfortable with who I am.
For example, while it took me years to figure out how to get girls to date me, I always knew I wanted to date girls. I didn't realize until recently that such knowledge was not universal.
If the common experience of persons with gender dysphoria is one of "not belonging," then aren't they allowing others to dictate how they should feel? Because "not belonging" means that you have accepted the judgment of others that you are not "one of them," that you don't belong to their group.
Does changing your body (in Ellen Page's case, having her breasts surgically removed) make you "belong?" Would transplanting a roll of skin tissue from your forearm to your groin as a make-do penis help, too? All of these things sound like such improbable solutions to the "not belonging"-problem, that you would have to try very hard to avoid the conclusion that gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness which leads the sufferer to 'solutions' which are worse than the problem being addressed. Maybe that's why (contrary to the claims of the trannies), they have, after transition, higher suicide rates than dysphoria sufferers who did not transition.
I liked Ellen Page's quirky Juno character. Elliott just strikes me as another blah "metro" boy, a sort-of boy.
If Elliott ever faces a prison sentence at some point, I would be surprised if 'he' didn't rethink this transition thing, to avoid hanging with those boys in the men's prison. Talk about 'not belonging!'
Feeling uncomfortable in your own skin is very rare--so few people experience growing, experiencing puberty, being pregnant, getting older, etc; I'm glad we have people like Page to explain this unique occurrence.
It used to be the case that something was considered a pathological mental condition when it interfered with one's life. Now some pathologies are defined as truer expressions/experiences of one's authentic life and "normal" existence is itself defined as pathological.
At least there are book sales to be made, I guess.
Find better voices. It used to be easy, but now many of those voices are deplatformed.
The Good Thing Is: Years from now..
These girls will be able to look back at themselves; and laugh
It will all seem like a bad dream, but fortunately, with no lasting ill affects.
Once Ellen realizes that she's been a girl the whole time..
she'll be able to look down at her mutilated body and cry: "OH My GOD! What have i done!!"
Okay, maybe SHE won't be able to laugh.. But i will.
Seriously, dressing up as a boy is one thing..
Cutting off your breasts to spite your face is another; and when you get right down do it..
It's Hilarious!!
I’m not sure I would call it an actor that was only in three notable films, yet still craves attention
A profoundly dishonest story. of course Page encountered little criticism back in 2014. That was a time when trans meant a simple demand for live and let live equality. That is not what trans radicals want now - especially with respect to children. Page is himself a perfect poster boy (see his Vanity FAIR photo spread) of young male beauty held up as the impossible fantasy for girls too immature to understand that he is no more the man they can ever be than the superheroes he play acts as.
When a female ingests testosterone (TRT), among the 'side effects' is a euphoria; which the doctors gloss over as "increased well being" or "mood swings"
How much of these girl's motivation for gender affirming care is simply desire for euphorics?
Wouldn't prescribing cocaine be more effective? both if cost as well as outcomes?
gender dysphoric people are (by definition) Sad and Unhappy
Coke addicts are happy bubbly people.. That LOVE life (Well, they LOVE Cocaine.. Which IS their life)
"Page doesn’t really delve into questions of masculinity, or what it means to be a man..."
Just wait. There will come a time where Elliot auditions for an action hero role that is really meant for someone like Dwayne Johnson or Jason Momoa or Chris Hemsworth and gets passed over. You'll get a real big lecture about masculinity and what being a man is all about then.
"Alienation comes from us no longer living in small bands of people, as we did for 99% of our evolution as a species, small bands where we had to care for each other, and where we had rituals for cementing bonds, and cultural ways of bringing people into the fold, and cultural wisdom, gleaned over millennia, to help in our struggles."
Textbook synopsis of the Dunbar Limit. Almost every socio-psychological dysfunction of our modern age across all cultures is derived from hundreds of thousands of years of biological evolution fighting with the past few hundred years of techno-global planetary awareness and the coping mechanisms thereof.
We are all simian tribals trying to come to terms with a world far larger than the paltry riverbank we used to inhabit in the African rain forest. Our tribe has been wildly successful to the tune of 8 billion of us, and we've never felt lonelier in our lives.
Elliot Page's problem might have been more conventionally solvable with a tight-knit community no larger than 150 people where the appropriate attention could be extended and comfort applied in a more direct fashion. Instead we're left with a doctor she's never met cutting her breasts off to the accolades of people she doesn't know.
A very advanced species. That's what we are.
Some people have too much time to live inside their own heads, and the thoughts get weird. They are arguing with themselves in a way, and its all because they are not Grounded in reality and do not feel attached and are not very comfortable with themselves.
If you pay attention to a lot of advertising we are all failures in some way or another, and need reminded of that every day. Constant bombardment of girls/women by external means is not easy to fight off and you succumb and this is their attempt to get re-grounded. But its not reality 99% of the time. It is really pushed on girls, in girl peerage, and other peers to make yourself "feel" better and "right" to make these leaps. You get a lot of emotional support. So its not as stigmatic at mental illness but a mental weakness. Once the wave breaks it becomes a tidal wave. And decisions get made without proper guidance.
I simply cannot comprehend the idea that one can treat a mental health issue by pumping a person full of hormones and surgically altering their body. How is that an improvement? If you were a misfit as a girl, you are also going to be a misfit as a boy- and you will be taking on a lifetime of medical problems. It is barbaric.
"If Ellen Page hadn’t been so ignorant and uninformed perhaps she would have realized many people share those feelings and that they are not uniquely attributable to gender dysphoria but to the universal dysphoria of Modern Life."
Why do you presume Page is unaware that many people feel alienated and for many reasons? Why do you presume his alienation was just "the universal dysphoria of Modern Life," and not particular to the disjunction between his body with external female attributes and his own perception of himself as not female, but male?
Embryos lack sex organs, and the external physical developments that mark the fetus as male or female do not develop until about three months in. Why isn't it feasible and easy to accept that the fetus's body can develop the external appearance of male or female, while the hormones that bathe the developing brain and determine male or female behaviors (and self-perception) can go awry, such that a newborn has the "brain" of one gender but the physical body of the other gender? There have been "she-hes" (and he-shes) throughout recorded civilization. Though such results indicate a variances from the norm (and thus outcome) in the "cooking" of the "bun in the oven," why does that mean that physical men who see themselves as women (and physical women, men) must necessarily be mentally ill? (I have no doubt there are mentally ill people who will seize upon various ready explanations--including transexualism--to make sense to themselves for their own unique personality pathologies and difficulties, but this is no reason, and there is no evidence to suggest, that this is true of all transexuals.)
If Page felt alienated and ill at ease in his female form, and is comfortable and happy in his male form, who is anyone else to gainsay him, or other comfortable-with-themselves transexuals? How do their personal lives affect others in any way?
“In the memoir, Page reflects on his complex relationship with store windows, and his image in them — a reminder, pre-transition, of a body and identity he saw but did not want to inhabit. ”
I have this! When I look at myself in a mirror, I tend to focus on small areas rather than the whole. I may see my eyes, or my nose, or my hair, but not my whole face or whole body. But, when I catch myself unawares in the reflection of a store window, I see the whole me, which always leaves me taken aback as looking much more unattractive than my mental image of myself. I wouldn’t take drugs or have surgery to try to transform into my mental image, though. I don’t think it would work.
Why do you presume his alienation was just "the universal dysphoria of Modern Life," and not particular to the disjunction between his body with external female attributes and his own perception of himself as not female, but male?
First question should be "her alienation" because Ellen is the one who felt that way, and in my experience with several trans people (mostly girl to boy) they were all emotionally unstable if not mentally ill. So I base my opinion on experience and common sense. All humans are born needing certain things, one of which is meaning. Changing ones physical features (tattooing, shaving or dyeing hair unnatural colors, adding or subtracting boobs) is usually a sign of dissatisfaction. The disconnectness of modern life is disorienting if not dysphoria causing and as I noted has been a theme of literature for the last hundred years or more. Yet this new fad of chopping off dicks is NEW. The feelings are not new. The reaction and acceptance of people acting out their mental illnesses is what makes this new.
In reality there is nothing new under the sun.
I have a tremendous tenor therefore I am male sex with a grand masculine gender.
Of course Page can't "delve into" what it means to be a man. She has no idea what that means, just like I don't know what it means to be a woman, and our hostess doesn't know what it means to be a dragon.
It's all a delusion, with more and more people refusing to cave into it any more.
All Page has done is destroy her cuteness. She looks like a little boy with a terminal disease.
Hope you've banked those checks from Inception and Juno, Ellen -- you're not getting any more serious roles ever again.
Belonging is about relationships. I belong to my spouse and family, and in the most enduring sense I belong to the family of God, the household of faith.
I do have times of not belonging. The common denominator there, I think, is a lack of suitability. I don't belong where I don't fit.
“ Embryos lack sex organs, and the external physical developments that mark the fetus as male or female do not develop until about three months in. Why isn't it feasible and easy to accept that the fetus's body can develop the external appearance of male or female, while the hormones that bathe the developing brain and determine male or female behaviors (and self-perception) can go awry, such that a newborn has the "brain" of one gender but the physical body of the other gender? There have been "she-hes" (and he-shes) throughout recorded civilization. Though such results indicate a variances from the norm (and thus outcome) in the "cooking" of the "bun in the oven," why does that mean that physical men who see themselves as women (and physical women, men) must necessarily be mentally ill? (I have no doubt there are mentally ill people who will seize upon various ready explanations--including transexualism--to make sense to themselves for their own unique personality pathologies and difficulties, but this is no reason, and there is no evidence to suggest, that this is true of all transexuals.)”
How do you know that she/he has a male brain? Has she/he had brain imaging and electronic monitoring to see? Sexual orientation is separate and difference, but can most often be determined by brain scans. Of course, she/he feels more masculine. I would probably feel more feminine if I were filled with female hormones, and my male ones neutralized. But that begs the question. Maybe she/he just needed some psychological counseling.
“If Page felt alienated and ill at ease in his female form, and is comfortable and happy in his male form, who is anyone else to gainsay him, or other comfortable-with-themselves transexuals? How do their personal lives affect others in any way?”
As long as they are adults, and stay in their lane, I agree. But they very often don’t. Trying to mainstream this with kids is child abuse, and in many cases driven by pedophilia.
Robert Cook: "Why do you presume his alienation was just "the universal dysphoria of Modern Life," and not particular to the disjunction between his body with external female attributes and his own perception of himself as not female, but male?"
Lysenkoism on the way to the New Soviet Man.
The fact they are trans automatically cancels the reassigned truth.
You can’t be both a trans and a “real” woman unless both are used together or not at all.
“I’m trans”… or “I’m a woman.” Separate.
“I’m a trans woman.” Together.
If wishes were horses…
The overwhelming majority of transgenders are female to male. Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss. I guess it's easier for woman to become a gentleman than it is for a male to become a lady. The male to female crowd are really boisterous and frequently obnoxious.....I hope she's a good writer. This pretty much wrecks her career as an actress. She could play Peter Pan or maybe one of Shakespeare's cross dressers, but any movie she's in will come to a full stop as the audience registers her presence. I guess she'll pick up a few indie roles from sympathetic directors, or maybe Marvel can carve out a niche for her in their universe, but she'll never be credible in a leading role.... She might be like Anne Heche. I think Heche claimed to have found the center of her changing world when she came out as lesbo. Later she reversed course and became hetero again. She remained unhappy to the end. Whatever what was bothering her wasn't necessarily her sexual orientation. ...Maybe Eliot will also have a change of mind. Surgeons can do wonders nowadays. Maybe Eliot can get silicone breasts that will be as good as new and start detransitioning. Eliot can be an inspiration to all those trangenders who regret their original decision and want to go back.
The overwhelming majority of transgenders are female to male. Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss. I guess it's easier for woman to become a gentleman than it is for a male to become a lady. The male to female crowd are really boisterous and frequently obnoxious.....I hope she's a good writer. This pretty much wrecks her career as an actress. She could play Peter Pan or maybe one of Shakespeare's cross dressers, but any movie she's in will come to a full stop as the audience registers her presence. I guess she'll pick up a few indie roles from sympathetic directors, or maybe Marvel can carve out a niche for her in their universe, but she'll never be credible in a leading role.... She might be like Anne Heche. I think Heche claimed to have found the center of her changing world when she came out as lesbo. Later she reversed course and became hetero again. She remained unhappy to the end. Whatever what was bothering her wasn't necessarily her sexual orientation. ...Maybe Eliot will also have a change of mind. Surgeons can do wonders nowadays. Maybe Eliot can get silicone breasts that will be as good as new and start detransitioning. Eliot can be an inspiration to all those trangenders who regret their original decision and want to go back.
The overwhelming majority of transgenders are female to male. Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss. I guess it's easier for woman to become a gentleman than it is for a male to become a lady. The male to female crowd are really boisterous and frequently obnoxious.....I hope she's a good writer. This pretty much wrecks her career as an actress. She could play Peter Pan or maybe one of Shakespeare's cross dressers, but any movie she's in will come to a full stop as the audience registers her presence. I guess she'll pick up a few indie roles from sympathetic directors, or maybe Marvel can carve out a niche for her in their universe, but she'll never be credible in a leading role.... She might be like Anne Heche. I think Heche claimed to have found the center of her changing world when she came out as lesbo. Later she reversed course and became hetero again. She remained unhappy to the end. Whatever what was bothering her wasn't necessarily her sexual orientation. ...Maybe Eliot will also have a change of mind. Surgeons can do wonders nowadays. Maybe Eliot can get silicone breasts that will be as good as new and start detransitioning. Eliot can be an inspiration to all those trangenders who regret their original decision and want to go back.
The overwhelming majority of transgenders are female to male. Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss. I guess it's easier for woman to become a gentleman than it is for a male to become a lady. The male to female crowd are really boisterous and frequently obnoxious.....I hope she's a good writer. This pretty much wrecks her career as an actress. She could play Peter Pan or maybe one of Shakespeare's cross dressers, but any movie she's in will come to a full stop as the audience registers her presence. I guess she'll pick up a few indie roles from sympathetic directors, or maybe Marvel can carve out a niche for her in their universe, but she'll never be credible in a leading role.... She might be like Anne Heche. I think Heche claimed to have found the center of her changing world when she came out as lesbo. Later she reversed course and became hetero again. She remained unhappy to the end. Whatever what was bothering her wasn't necessarily her sexual orientation. ...Maybe Eliot will also have a change of mind. Surgeons can do wonders nowadays. Maybe Eliot can get silicone breasts that will be as good as new and start detransitioning. Eliot can be an inspiration to all those trangenders who regret their original decision and want to go back.
Page is an example of Jussie Smollet 2 with a hilarious account of being attacked in Beverly Hills.
And yet here, downstairs at his Sunset Strip hotel, he [sic] is less than a mile from the spot where a man on the street threatened to assault him just last year. As he describes in his book, Page, who lives in New York, was standing at the corner of Sunset and La Cienega, taking a quick walk to the Pink Dot convenience store, when a stranger approached.
“I’m going to f—ing gay bash you, f—t,” the man threatened. Terrified, Page began running toward the Pink Dot, where employees ushered him inside. From the other side of the door, the man yelled: “This is why I need a gun!”
“Now when I’m in Los Angeles, I don’t feel comfortable like I used to going for walks,” Page says.
No mention of "MAGA Country" so it must be true.
He writes like a girl.
@William: "This pretty much wrecks her career as an actress."
The producers of Umbrella Academy were too scared to write her out of Season 3, because her surgical mutilation was still pretty fresh. Also, it was back when it wasn't possible to question "trans" without getting blasted by the MSM and every social media site.
But as Scott Adams has pointed out, we've reached "Peak Woke", and it's now possible to ask questions about these things ... which means it'll be possible for Netflix to kill Viktor off without a lot of fuss. She's the most dangerous Academy member anyway, so ... win-win.
"My spirit looks nothing like my body" - 80-year old artist Alice Neel - from a 2021 New York magazine article:
"Neel’s nude self-portrait (-at age 80-) stands with Picasso’s 1905–6 portrait of Gertrude Stein. In each we see a Gibraltar-like woman — monumental, aware, in thought, and with power. Neel said “I hate the way I looked … I don’t like my type … my spirit looked nothing like my body.” She still revealed it all, picturing herself naked and old in her living room, a human animal with a prehensile toe, breasts resting on stomach, “flesh dropping off my bones,” holding a paintbrush (“I live for this little thing in my hand”)."
Welcome to human existence on this planet, E. Page....
Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss.
Well, except for the one who shot up a Christian elementary school.
And wrote a manifesto we're still not allowed to see.
“The overwhelming majority of transgenders are female to male. Eliot aside, they don't seem to make much of a fuss.”
Except when they go on a mass killing spree. Several have done such recently. One theory is that it is the result of testosterone on the female brain in FM trannies. Throw in a couple of less than binary shooters, and you have a majority of the most recent white on white mass killings (in Gun Free Zones, like schools).
"Trying to mainstream this with kids is child abuse, and in many cases driven by pedophilia."
How do you know? And why? Why would pedophiles want to convince children to change their genders? That makes no sense, and smacks (to me) of mere hysteria (or purposeful disinformation, the more to roil the passions of right-wing voters).
I agree no person under the age of adult consent should be approved for sexual reassignment surgeries. What certified surgeons would perform such surgeries on minors? Is it even legal anywhere in the US?
Robert Cook said...
"Trying to mainstream this with kids is child abuse, and in many cases driven by pedophilia."
How do you know? And why? Why would pedophiles want to convince children to change their genders? That makes no sense, and smacks (to me) of mere hysteria (or purposeful disinformation, the more to roil the passions of right-wing voters).
I agree no person under the age of adult consent should be approved for sexual reassignment surgeries. What certified surgeons would perform such surgeries on minors? Is it even legal anywhere in the US?
1: Surgical mutilation of 13 year old girl be "transitioning" doctors:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208161/Lawyer-detransitioning-woman-18-surgery-aged-12-slams-doctors-mutilating-kids.html
For you to dive into this debate without knowing that the answer is "yes", proved many times over, indicates, at best, a complete ignorance of reality
2: Giving "puberty blockers" or any other "gender affirming medicine" is just as bad. NONE of those drugs have only "reversible" effects
3: Pedophilia and transitioning. The starting goal of a pedophile is to isolate the victim, making him / her weaker, more dependent, and thus easier to take advantage of.
Take a psychologically challenged kid, pushing that kid to "treatments;' that don't actually make the kid better off, working to isolate the kid from family and friends?
That's pure groomer behavior. See: "Teachers" "transitioning" kids behind their parent's backs:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12202901/Midwest-teachers-trade-tips-subversively-quietly-transitioning-kids-without-telling-parents.html
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