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"A trove of leaked Pentagon documents reveals how deeply Russia’s security and intelligence services have been penetrated by the United States..."
"... demonstrating Washington’s ability to warn Ukraine about planned strikes and providing an assessment of the strength of Moscow’s war machine.
The documents paint a portrait of a depleted Russian military that is struggling in its war in Ukraine and of a military apparatus that is deeply compromised. They contain daily real-time warnings to American intelligence agencies on the timing of Moscow’s strikes and even its specific targets...."
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Man on street in Moscow always complaining about the American disinformation campaigns being run in Russia!
I suspect the "calls" are coming from inside the house. Our intelligence officials are probably leaking the information themselves so they can call for further censorship of social media communications. Watch and see if next week there are not loud calls for banning of comment on social media in regards to Ukraine and Russia. It will only be "temporary" of course.
The NYT no longer even pretends to be anything but a propaganda outfit for whatever The Regime wants to put out. I have no idea whether this information is true or false. But I have zero doubt that it is out there because The Regime wants it out there.
I thought that the waste of hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars was because Russia was a threat to conquer the world.
Now we know. Obama staged a coup in Ukraine (Slavic Spring), in progress, with hope to secure redistributive change of natural resources in Russia a la South Africa, and Biden revisits funding of the Persian Spring that launched the second Iraq war, World War Spring series, and [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] immigration reform (CAIR).
It certainly is not about the estimated 72 trillion dollars in mineral and agricultural resources that Russia is sitting on.
Well!! if the NYTs says so.. Ann Althouse will believe it!
Yesterday they needed Trump to plan for them. So if they can not create plans, why pretend they are being leaked on social media? I think this is about wanting a new reason to censor social media.
"U.S. intelligence services are eavesdropping on important allies."
And more on domestic enemies than foreign allies.
"The United States has a clearer understanding of Russian military operations than it does of Ukrainian planning."
Funny, isn't it? It's as if we don't want to know about Ukrainian "planning." What's our own "plan," anyway?
Did the NYT also list which agents had penetrated the Kremlin? Because, it doesn't hurt to make sure the agents involved get eliminated by specifically listing them. And TRUMP is an agent of Putin?
Oh no! The leaks went to the Russians instead of WaPo, NYT or CNN.
Leakers leak. Big surprise!
I was looking at a map of nato expansion a few days ago. If this were happening to us we would be in open war with Mexico and China.
(1) I long ago stopped believing anything in the NYT.
(2) Assuming arguendo this story is even partly not untrue, why must the public be told? Isn’t this disclosure going to damage whatever is left of our national security interest, by telling the Russians we have penetrated their systems?
(3) Even if this story is entirely false, the Russians will be provoked to “save face” by hitting back. Again, this costs us resources, room for maneuver and possibly agents’ lives.
Change my mind.
I wonder how boring World War III would be?
They must have joined up back when we were still the good guys.
It seems like a bad idea to publicize this information, assuming it's accurate.
"Leaked Pentagon documents" heh
I remember NPR, & therefore surely NYTimes, all highbrow sanctimonious, desisting from sharing Wikileaks' drop of emails between Hillary, government lackies & Democrat Hacks like Podesta, because they were "stolen".
Gee, who could guess, this one helps the administration's Ukraine madness, so it gets to be trumpeted.
And why, exactly, should this be printed in the New York Times - or indeed anywhere? If none of this is news to the Russians, it's not that big a story. If it is, it is borderline treason. Or is it just a belated 50th Anniversary celebration of the Pentagon Papers? Not exactly highly complimentary to the Biden Administration either.
Gen. Mark A. Milley is obviously corrupt, having trashed the honored tradition of serving all administrations with loyalty regardless of party. He is also remarkably stupid to have allowed this criminal insanity to infest the Pentagon. (Those dull, listless eyes of his belong in a brain-dead skull.)
The NYT paints this historic security breach as an accomplishment, ignoring the fact OUR plans and timetables were also leaked to the Russians. Putin knows everything now. The disloyal will be shot and replaced with loyal Russian officers who won't leak Putin's plans and will be foxy enough to exploit Milley's stupidity.
Like stranded fish, the Pentagon rots from the head down.
"A trove of leaked Pentagon documents reveals how deeply Russia’s security and intelligence services have been penetrated by the United States..."
In a sane America, who ever leaked those documents would be hunted down, tried, and executed.
In a slightly less sane America, vigilantes would hunt down everyone in evolved with that article and kill them for being traitors.
Anyone on the Left who claims to be pro-Ukraine, but who doesn't condemn the NYT helping Putin like this, is simply demonstrating how utterly worthless they are
It is interesting; I simply assumed that it was not Russian penetration of U.S. military. But rather, isolationist/TrumpWing GOP traitors in the U.S. military.
I am open to arguments to the contrary, but I’d like those arguments to be clear and authoritative.
It might even be true!
How would we know?
I hate when the real work keeps catching up to Tom Clancy novels, and not in a good way.
The documents were published on Twitter and Discord and other places. This doesn't have anything to do with the NYT.
But blaming them is fair because the commenters there and at the Post blame Trump. Even though the documents were created well after he left office.
Maybe somebody finally thinks a war with Russia is a bad idea.
If the Russians didn't already know, then the infiltration of their nation, stockpiling WMD on their borders, and staging a coup in a neighboring nation (Slavic Spring), would make them nervous about America's motives and intentions. Obama's choice to sodomize, abort, redistribute the remains of our ally (intelligence source) in Libya, probably didn't help ameliorate transnational tension.
Quaestor said...
"Gen. Mark A. Milley is obviously corrupt."
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Well, Donald Trump appointed him.
Weird… that must not have been the case in 2016 when US intelligence said Putin wouldn’t invade Ukraine to take Crimea.
Is this the same CIA who told Reagan & the world the USSR was the strongest economy and the US was bound to lose? The same CIA which told Bush II Iraq was full of weapons of mass destruction? The same CIA which told the world Trump was a "Putin puppet"? The same CIA which told us the Afghans were strong enough to defeat the Taliban, prior to the disastrous abandonment? The same CIA that informed us Hunter's incriminating laptop was "Russian disinfo"?
Why is all of this happening because of who Trump appointed? Is this what Trump calls "draining the swamp?"
A trove of LEAKED Pentagon documents reveals how deeply THE UNITED STATES’S security and intelligence services have been penetrated.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukraine-leaked
You have to wonder if the 2016 election interference was home grown.
It's difficult to know who this helps, and how.
I question the veracity of the report because it's the NYT.
Like stranded fish, the Pentagon rots from the head down.
Currently, the US Army is losing troops (to retirement, failure to reenlist, etc); at a rate FAR Higher than the amount of new enlistees. Enlistments are about 25% below quotas
Meanwhile of those soldiers that ARE staying, more and more (and More (and MORE!!)) are obese
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pandemic-pounds-push-10000-us-army-soldiers-obesity-98299018
the researchers found that nearly 27% who were healthy before the pandemic became overweight. And nearly 16% of those who were previously overweight became obese. Before the pandemic, about 18% of the soldiers were obese; by 2021, it grew to 23%.
Our army is rapidly becoming a bunch of skirtboys without the strength to get up from their chairs.
BUT! at least they know to use the right pronouns
Why did the NYT decide to release this? Traitors.
Why is the NYT leaking that that there are leakers? This is the kind of story the lapdogs of the media suppress. It wouldn't be a story unless the Pentagon wanted the leaks talked about or, you could argue that way. Anyhow, that's what the Russians believe. The Russian media is arguing that the leaks are fake news placed prominently in the NYT so as to cause the Russian to look in the wrong directions for the oncoming Ukrainian counter offensive.
As I said earlier I regard the whole thing as the first ChatGPT disinformation operation. We made up a dossier using ChatGPT and leaked it and then the Russian ChatGPT made up a dossier challenging the leaked dossier. Or maybe our ChatGPT, Agent 00 111, has been doubled. Or maybe theirs was doubled. Or both things happened. Che sera, sera.
"The documents paint a portrait of a depleted Russian military that is struggling in its war in Ukraine and of a military apparatus that is deeply compromised"
Then the documents are wrong. Milley et al are fooling themselves. Or maybe Milley is just telling Biden what he wants to hear.
If only the NYT had been able to breathlessly reveal in 1943 the success of Alan Turing in breaking the Enigma code machine.
Our elite are a bunch of greedy selfish nitwits.
"Don't worry, folks, that $113 Billion ($1200 from every family in the US) is being spent wisely, and we'll be taking Moscow any minute now. We have them right where we want them.
Trust us."
I don’t know if any of that is true, but if it is, great, that’s exactly what we want the US Government to be doing.
lonejustice: "Why is all of this happening because of who Trump appointed? Is this what Trump calls "draining the swamp?"
LOL
Looks like we've got another "LLR" on our hands.
LLR-democratical and Violent Homosexual Rape Fantasist Chuck: "It is interesting; I simply assumed that it was not Russian penetration of U.S. military. But rather, isolationist/TrumpWing GOP traitors in the U.S. military.
I am open to arguments to the contrary, but I’d like those arguments to be clear and authoritative."
LOL
Thats not how this works Andrew Weissmann-fanboy!
You make an assertion, you present your evidence.
And see if you can do better than your previous collusion and dossier and many other hoaxes.
Looks like lonejustice is here and is raring to go in your proudly admitted smear campaign....assuming that coordinatiom hasnt already been pre-arranged........
.....hmmmmmm
and providing an assessment of the strength of Moscow’s war machine.
I have my doubts about the quality of our assessments here. Maybe they're better now than they were in February 2022, but back then General Milley was predicting Kiev could fall in 72 hours, which proved to be a massive overestimate of Russian preparedness and an underestimate of Ukrainian determination -- surprising given the massive amount of military aid we had provided the Ukraine since 2014, but maybe our analysts were feeling gunshy after the Afghan government we had provided similar aid to collapsed in a matter of days after the US retreat, and downgraded estimates of Ukrainian military capability as a result. I also remember reading every couple of weeks over the summer of 2022 that Russia's military was going to run out of men, missiles, munitions, etc. within a matter of weeks. I think most of these news reports were sourced from the Ukraine (i.e. they were total garbage), but I don't recall hearing much pushback from the US government until late in 2022. Around the same time EU governments accidentally/on-purpose let slip the immense scale of Ukrainian losses, probably to help prepare their publics for the reality that the Ukraine wasn't going to be emerging victorious any time soon.
My sense is our intelligence agencies are learning a lot of this stuff in realtime -- or at least, our decisionmakers are learning this stuff in realtime (maybe realistic estimates of Russian capabilities were buried in intelligence reports somewhere, but they were ignored or never got sifted up to the top). Our government's wild overestimate of how effective our rapidly cobbled-together sanctions regime would be suggests that we had a pretty shallow understanding of the Russian economy and its place in international trade, so I'm inclined to think it's that we just didn't know as much as we thought. Our immediate military sources (whether Russia was planning to invade, where they're targeting, etc.) seem to be pretty good, but our grasp of the logistical and economic situation behind the frontline seems more dubious. It's possible (given the shoddy performance of Russian army logistics in the first month or two) that Russian military and political leaders whose chatter is supplying our intel also don't have a great grasp of these factors, and are also winging it to some extent. So it's garbage-in, garbage-out on that piece.
Democrats, with a Decepticon axis, want another World War I, II, Spring (e.g. Serbian, Slavic, Iraq II), and forward-looking to diversity, equity, and redistributive change.
I guess Bernie redoing his honeymoon in Russia is out.
Butkus51: "I guess Bernie redoing his honeymoon in Russia is out."
As long as Bernie comes out in full support of the radical trans agenda targeting children, Bernie will have the support of dems and LLR-democratical Violent Homosexual Rape Fantasists like Chuck.
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