March 21, 2023
"Many demonstrators were trapped up against a fence, unable to breathe from the gas, while police dragged others down the hill...."
"During the melee, three plaintiffs were pepper-sprayed in the face at close range by former Philadelphia SWAT officer Richard Nicoletti, who was later fired, arrested, and charged with assault.
Some demonstrators said the response still haunts them, physically and psychologically. Gwen Snyder, a West Philadelphia-based organizer and one of the plaintiffs, was detained on the highway, and said her wrists were zip-tied behind her back so tightly, she lost feeling in her hands. One of her arms still periodically goes numb as she breastfeeds her daughter or pushes her stroller, she said.... Ed Parker, who was similarly detained and zip-tied, said he has had three surgeries to correct the wrist damage. He said the sounds of people screaming and weeping still haunt him."
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Some rioters said the response still haunts them, physically and psychologically.
FIFY
As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Are the peaceful J6 protesters going to be treated differently than these violent and larcenous and murderous shitheads?
What about the demonstrator, that the cop shot in the head at point blank range?
What about the demonstrator, that the cops beat to death, and Then said died of a "drug overdose"?
Oh wait, that was a DIFFERENT demonstration
This is another example of the lopsided “justice” doled out by our corrupt institutions. No need to compare coverage of yet another “agreed settlement” wink wink between the Democrat Riot Mob and Democrats in control of a municipality to how the J6 defendants are being treated. Maybe someday the dead and wounded and unfairly imprisoned will get their due. But probably not since the FBI never has been made to pay for its handiwork in direct action events. Never.
While the 2020 "mostly peaceful protests" were politically calculated and dubious, people change with less-lethal police methods. Police tend to not overuse guns because they know the damage will be serious. All people, including protesters and police, become more aggressive with gray area violence. This includes tasers, pepper spray, Billy clubs, rocks, sticks, etc. There is some chance this settlement is legit. Maybe a small chance, but a chance.
Jesus wept, these people deserve nothing for their trouble. Go to a riot, get a beat down. What the fuck do people expect? I've been on the receiving end of plenty of police, shall we say, "enthusiasm". It was no less than I expected or in hindsight deserved. That anyone entertains such nonsense is appalling.
This is, ipso facto, crazy. But the Dems run Philly and they are just using tax money to pay their voters.
They weren't protestors. They were rioters. Real rioters. Not J6 protestors.
This is a clear case of assumption of risk.
I commented about a similar case in Lincoln, but nota as many people. One person got hit good in the face with a rubber bullet.
In Omaha, the ACLU filed a case in which protestors were "kettled" on a bridge. That made it easier for the cops to arrest them. Anyone that has ever done any pheasant hunting knows what the cops did.
Next time we have big riots, I guess the Dem cities should just let them go on. Burn the city to the ground.
This is what I'm talking about.
"Mayor Jim Kenney said that “the pain and trauma caused by a legacy of systemic racism and police brutality against Black and Brown Philadelphians is immeasurable.”
Actually, not immeasurable. You just paid $9.25m. That's a number. That's measurable. Idiot.
Some demonstrators said the response still haunts them, physically and psychologically.
Good. Now ask the blue collar and lower middle class people they were “mostly peacefully” trying to assault and whose homes and businesses they were “mostly peacefully” trying to burn down about their trauma.
And if you live in Philadelphia (where my late in-laws resided) and don’t know not to screw with their cops, you are simply stupid.
The contrast to J6 protesters is truly remarkable. Something must be done to correct the injustice.
All we have here is a triumphant narrative, coupled with our preexisting instincts about what is actually taking place.
In L.A., Kobe Bryant's widow got nearly $30 million because L.A. County sheriffs deputies responding to the helicopter crash shared some photos of the scene.
If these demonstrators wanted real money for police misconduct, they needed to be married to rich and famous dead people.
To see what's shakin' on Shakedown Street you just need to look around.
Shouldn't the case have been dismissed under the FAFO doctrine?
Rubber bullets? Tear gas? Oh they just burned down a bunch of stuff and looted stores... no biggie...
Should have been live bullets.
"Philadelphia will pay ... "
Taxpayer money. Money that won't be spent on programs and services for the citizens of Philadelphia.
Mugged. And mugged again.
Sounds like what the Capitol Police did to the January 6th political prisoners to start the chaos. Unfortunately for them, they got some of their own, who then they proceeded to blame the January 6th protesters for what THEY did. When the truth is finally out there, the January 6th people are going to become multi millionaires for what the Deep State did to them.
What were the protestors doing to warrant such treatment?
One of her arms still periodically goes numb as she breastfeeds her daughter or pushes her stroller
If that's the only time it happens, the solution is to stop breastfeeding and stop with the stroller.
We are doomed
Defining dementia down. Within the norms of the society that elected him, Fetterman is quite sane. Can the looted business owners claim any part of this settlement?
The grift continues…
Now do Jan6.
So if you're a communist and you burn down a city, you get paid.
If you're a republican walking through a building, guided by police (and not arrested at the time), you rot in jail for a couple of years before being sentenced to hard time.
Got it.
I just want to make sure I understand the new rules.
The pendulum always swings.
Hint to conservatives: Get the fuck out of blue cities.
"...He said the sounds of people screaming and weeping still haunt him."
Very touching. Not at all rehearsed for his testimony on the ongoing pain and suffering for which he seeks taxpayer recompense.
Again I ask, what were the protestors doing? From the (protestor-sympathetic) coverage supplied with this post, it seems they were blocking traffic and looting stores. If so, why would we want the police to not discourage and restrain them?
Here on Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.
The commissioner announced a moratorium on the use of tear gas and other nonlethal munitions for those who assemble peacefully or "passively resist" police. Going forward, such force will only be used under circumstances involving armed and dangerous threats to police and the public...
At the time, existing police department guidelines stated that tear gas should "only be used when absolutely necessary in violent situations — if and only if lesser methods did not stop the violent behavior." The same document also states that tear gas is not to be used on nonviolent individuals or to disperse crowds.
in the future, it will not surprise me in the least, to hear that the police in the big Dem cities are being accused of disproportionate non-enforcement in protecting minority businesses. I would only be surprised to hear that BLM-CRT and Co. took any responsibility for the fact. But disproportionate non-enforcement in specific areas is the inevitable outcome of settlements such as this and their historical/intellectual background in the policies from the wokies at BLM-CRT.
Basically, this settlement leaves the Philadelphia police with no means to control looting crowds. There were two priorities to balance: prevent looting /allow civil protest. Civil protests after George Floyd's death were frequently followed that night by mob looting and arson. The historical fact is that police action against the looters/ arsonists was called action against protestors by city mayors, police chiefs and activists and the media accepted the description. Over a few months, the police began to pull back from defending areas against looting and arson. These were usually but not always areas filled with minority-owned businesses - the story mentions that this was the case in Philadelphia - and this trend has continued to this day. Disproportionate non-enforcement IS unfair but it is also the outcome of BLM-CRT policies. These policies CALLED FOR disproportionate non-enforcement of the law in black community areas. Now non-enforcement in those areas is a reality. The murder rate in black community areas is soaring and it's static elsewhere. It's hell on earth for those trapped in there but the left aka BLM-CRT never admits it's been wrong.
Expect no change from them.
So.
It would be the height of hypocrisy for BLM-CRT to bring a case accusing the police of racism for following BLM-CRT de-policing policies. Expect such a case within ten years.
Well at least the protestors were not thrown in jail for two years without bail, shot dead and beaten to death by the cops. Then had thousands of hours of exculpatory evidence withheld. So there's that.
The problem here is the use of tear gas.
As Hunter S. Thompson put it. "Tear gas just slaps at the problem. Nerve gas solves it."
Not sure what "community-led programming" is, but I don't like the sound of it.
I won’t to Philadelphia anymore any way, so haha. Tear the whole damned place down.
They couldn't breathe? I don't remember reading news about a protest with a massive number of deaths. How did I miss that?
NYC also did this: Story
Something I had forgotten when I submitted my previous comment. The Philly riots came after the New York riots where Molotov cocktails were thrown at police cars. The Philly police would have known about that incident, and not been in any mood to take crap from the BLM rioters.
Those Philly protesters are underachieving. Assuming this was associated with the BLM riots, they should have connected the riots to reparations for slavery like the con artists in SF. Big money for not having ever suffered through slavery from fellow citizens who never owned slaves. A few million from police who cracked a few heads is chump change in the current grievance industry.
I had a co-worker who told me of being ridden down by mounted police and hit with a baton in in Union Square, NYC during a union event in the 30's. He complained to his mother and she slapped him for being an idiot for not leaving when the police showed up.
Were there any Democrat "heroes", any Planned Protesterhood? That said, the regime's Capitol is for establishment sympathetic leverage. The People's communities, businesses, neighborhoods, homes are for establishment sympathetic causes (e.g. KKK, Antifa, SS BLM, Occupy).
"Some demonstrators said the response still haunts them, physically and psychologically."
The police warned the crowd several times that they were about to deploy tear gas to disperse the riot. The crowd didn't disperse and subsequently got gassed. They got EXACTLY what they deserved! (None of that was mentioned in the linked article.)
If the Capitol Police had told the J6 defendants that they had 10 minutes to vacate the Capitol, or they would be charged with the equivalent of felony trespassing, then I am just fine with that penalty falling - on every one of those that stayed.
"Don't commit a crime if you can't handle the consequences" used to be sage advice. Now we shovel taxpayer money on criminals that didn't follow the advice that a moderately bright 5 y.o. understands.
Leora: What! Your co-worker is well in excess of 100 years old?
Blogger Achilles said...
Are the peaceful J6 protesters going to be treated differently than these violent and larcenous and murderous shitheads?
Shame on you for not recognizing that these rioters were Democrats and BIPOCs. They are in a Democrat city. The J6 people were deplorables in a Democrat city. Very different situation.
They are really not going to like the things that will be done routinely, in coming years. Like, setting up machineguns and Claymore mines as crowd-control techniques.
Observe, and avoid crowds in the future. It will happen, because they make such things necessary.
What amuses me the most? The people doing it to them will be the ones they imagine to be "their own kind", their loving Democratic Party leadership. The ones who will be scared spitless of their own mobs, who start getting all uppity and expecting things from them. Like, the ones they were promised by the Democratic Party demagogues.
It'd be almost funny, were it not so tragic.
An interstate highway seems like a poor choice for a protest site, accepting dubitante the contention that it was a "mostly peaceful" protest and not a riot. Lucky for them Philly is run by politicos who don't seem to care about spending taxpayer money let alone the rights of citizens who just want to get where they're going.
Rules for all or rules for none. Leftists want rules for some.
That's how you get rules for none.
Can I be compensated if I say I, was there?
Out of court settlement? Hush money? Is it a deductible expense... for the taxpayers?
If the Capitol Police had told the J6 defendants that they had 10 minutes to vacate the Capitol
Leave - and - we will assault you, abort you, perhaps.
Or... An exculpating cause... another one for the majority of men and women denied civil rights over a multi-trimester period for Pelosi's... political cause.
Rules for all or rules for none. Leftists want rules for some.
They subscribe to the Pro-Choice ethical religion (e.g. DIEversity).
That's how you get rules for none.
The left-right nexus is leftist. A Capitol fire is in their wheelhouse.
Trained bullshit.
Manuals available at Cop Watch and Ruckus.
It just struck me that the best scam these days --the most lucrative and the one with the lowest risk of being discredited-- is to "counsel the traumatized." Think about it: most EVERYbody can be (and wants to be) called "traumatized." You're a victim, you are going to get --you deserve to get-- all that warm wet validation and support!
So on the demand side, plenty of vigorous input. And you're not asking questions or charging admission.
And on they come: and you give them a soothing, self-pleasing narrative and a chance at future claims.
And then you submit your bill, for having cooed over a pack of hysterical grifters for a few minutes or hours, at a very reasonable hourly rate.
It's like the California Gold Rush: the real money was made by the infrastructure operators, not the miners themselves.
I wonder the amount of pay-out Victoria White is owed for her false arrest, pain and suffering? Oh, that's right. She is not one of the favored political class.
Never mind!
"‘I should be dead’: Minnesota J6 defendant responds to new bodycam video "
https://alphanews.org/i-should-be-dead-minnesota-j6-defendant-responds-to-new-bodycam-video/
Apparently, the left is now fine with the prosecution's withholding of exculpatory evidence.
From the article:
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"The video from inside the lower west terrace tunnel at the U.S. Capitol is difficult to watch. It shows White being struck dozens of times by police with a collapsible metal baton over the course of four minutes. She was also punched in the head and sprayed with mace.
“This video was not turned over to myself and my attorney with our discovery so we can prepare for our case, which is actually illegal,” White said."
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Even the majority of law professors are now on-board with such behavior. For only one or two are speaking out against such egregious violations of Brady.
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