Within 10 minutes of police saying that the suspect was transgender, the hashtag #TransTerrorism trended on Twitter.
I added the link and scanned some of what is on Twitter. I can see that there are some people trying to put together a pattern that would show that trans people have a propensity toward violence or a plan, as a group, to seek vengeance for perceived wrongs.
Around the same time, Republican lawmakers — including Sen. JD Vance, R-Ohio, and conservative firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga. — insinuated in social media posts that the shooter’s gender identity played a role in the shooting. And by Tuesday morning, the cover of the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post read: “Transgender killer targets Christian school.”
“We are terrified for the LGBTQ community here,” Kim Spoon, a trans activist based in Knoxville, Tennessee, said. “More blood’s going to be shed, and it’s not going to be shed in a school.”....
Denise Sadler, a drag performer who is transgender, said... “You don’t know if [the shooter’s gender identity] is going to trigger a community of people who already hated us to come and try to shoot us to prove a point,” Sadler said. “At the end of the day, there’s a lot of hurt going on, there’s a lot of anger going on, there’s a lot of confusion going on.”...
It sounds as though everyone is afraid of violence. Some people are afraid that random transgender people are going to become murderers, and some transgender people are afraid some of those fearful people are going to go on the offensive and randomly murder transgender people. This is an amorphous but specific fear of violence. Both groups are afraid of each other.
So far this year, Tennessee lawmakers passed two bills targeting LGBTQ people: A first-of-its-kind law that will criminalize some drag performances takes effect Saturday, and another that will ban gender-affirming care for the state’s minors becomes effective July 1. Nathan Higdon, the chief financial officer of Knoxville Pride Center, is helping organize protests against the new drag law in Nashville and Knoxville this upcoming weekend.
Higdon said that while he and other organizers are “scared sh–less” that the conservative backlash over the shooter’s suspected gender identity will prompt violence, they’re going forward with the events as planned. “The people who hate us are always going to hate us,” Higdon said. “We can’t not do these things. We just can’t not show up.”
Are the protesters of the new laws in danger because of the school shooting? I'd like to think that human beings can think straight and would not hold the acts of an individual murderer against the group that murderer belongs to (or may belong to), but passion and irrationality are high, and protests are not exemplars of rationality and impassivity.
Not usually.
They can be.
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I believe this is what Sailer calls "frontlash."
I feel like I'm not getting the real story here......how can the state ban drag shows? Or is it just shows for children?
Mentally unstable people might do violent, mentally unstable things? Gosh, who could have thought that might be a risk?!
The mentally unwell have always been drawn towards radical activism. If you don't fit into society, it's easy to think that your life will be better if society changes, no you. For others, it's a chance to feel important, or powerful, or simply to let out their id.
As per expected.
I don't know anyone who "hates" transgenders. Most people I know think they are either weird or mentally ill, except for the liberals who think they are wonderful.
Of course, the optimal position to be in today is that of the "victim".
Couldn’t someone just SAY they are trans and commit terror?
To be a terrorist you have to commit terrorism.
To be trans, you just have to say so.
Kim Spoon, a trans activist based in Knoxville, Tennessee, said. “More blood’s going to be shed, and it’s not going to be shed in a school.”....
That sounds like a threat. The blood already shed was shed by a transgender individual and that blood was shed in a school. Spoon's words, even in the limited context given, might be seen as a threat that the transgender community will act preemptively, not limiting the violence to a Christian school.
It seems that if your world view is not reality based then you have high levels of paranoia along with your victim mindset.
Being told one is a victim is, apparently, quite effective. Once a person internalizes that, a good many things once thought beyond the pale become thinkable.
Still, most of the folks in the dance know better. The "victims" pretend they're about to collapse in piles of angsty glop and the adults pretend to believe them. The latter must protect the former by...cancelling speakers, shutting down previously inoffensive language, various other offenses against personal liberty.
Then both parties wink at each other.
Still, there are the believers.
Oh brother.
Left wing activists have been predicting right wing terror for awhile now. Where is it?
The leader of the Dems in NE on the bill to stop genital mutilation of minors is Sen. Machaela Cavanaugh. I used to live up the street from her parents in Omaha.
She tweeted something to the effect that "attacks on the trans community must stop." The more accurate statement would be, "the trans community must stop attacking innocents."
And it is not "gender affirming care." It is "gender altering care."
When we adopt the Orwellian language of the Left, we lose. And it is dishonest.
You wouldn't think Trannies and Muslims would have something in common but "fearing backlash, X hardest hit" appears to be the common ground between the two.
It's all so tiresome.
Same thing has happened with looking at Islam as a significant factor in the actions of some Muslims. Or looking at the culture of parts of black society as a factor in the lack of progress they are seeing. We're not allowed to think along those lines.
People need to know that testosterone is a powerful, powerful drug. Think roid rage.
I could see where that drug would drive a mentally ill person over the edge.
Let's be honest here. Science!
While it’s not fair to target groups based on the action of one individual ( try that on conservatives ) the fact that crazy town left a “manifesto” and the trans folks HAVE been very vocal versus violence against so called TERFs ( see day of rage on April 1), coupled with the fact that the trans community ( as a group) has astronomical suicide rates compared with the general population, it’s not unreasonable to have a sliver of concern - for both sides.
Trans is very rapidly coming to divorce with the LG part of the community. This isn’t helping.
The accusation en miroir. Ok this isn't strictly Goebbels claiming the Jews were going to wipe out the Germans first. But yes, when someone from your group does something, immediately accuse the other side of doing it, doing it first, or preparing to do it on a massive scale.
So, sort of like "Muslims brace for backlash for tomorrow's terrorist attack".
This is what can happen when a people are not allowed to call or describe things as what they are. In this case, mental illness. Don’t cheer it on, treat it!
It's the same for every Designated Victim group. Mass death is nothing compared to hurt feelings.
Instead of clobbering a groomer, suppose we clobber PBS instead.
This reminds me of the "backlash against Muslims" press narrative pushed after Islamist terrorist attacks.
The Liar MSM left(D) don't care about victims of terrorism.... No no no. They care about the non-existent "backlash".
Why? because the leftists who run our ridiculous lie-filled hack-D press are assholes.
SIX innocent people including 3 children - are dead. And these non-feeling heartless leftists only care about the The Party narrative. Trans people are encouraged and prodded to feel RAGE and openly act on that rage on behalf of the corrupt democrat party elite. The corrupt democrat party elite thrive off of the division.
Somehow, the "Trans Day of Vengeance" that was trending on Twitter for a week before the shooting escaped mention in the NBC article. Nothing to see (or fear) there.
NBC is hot white left rotting garbage.
"Fear pervades the trans community..."
"Fear pervades the gay community..."
"Fear pervades the Muslim community..."
"Fear pervades the Jewish community..."
"Fear pervades the black community..."
But never, "Fear pervades the Christian community," or "the white community," or "the hetero community," etc. Wonder why that is?
I see a pattern: Shooter is white, not a member of an "out" group. Therefore we must hate all white "normies" and give all sympathy to the victims. As long as they aren't part of the power structure, either.
Shooter is a member of minority group of some kind. Therefore we must sympathize with that minority group so that there isn't further violence and bloodshed and we protect that outgroup even more. No sympathy for the victims, especially if they are Christian.
I'm sick of it. This was a sick individual who murdered some sweet little kids, some incredibly brave adults, and has terrorized a community. She deserved what she got.
"Left-wing activists have been predicting right-wing terror for a while now. Where is it?"
Oh, the same place fascism has not been predicted to descend every year since Woody Guthrie painted graffiti on his guitar, I reckon.
This current period of mass anarchy will continue as long as the left (1) refuses to acknowledge that personal responsibility and achievement have any role in differential outcomes -- over and above race, gender, and other identities, and (2) refuses to acknowledge that criminal mental illness affects some people in all groups -- even those facing discrimination and other life challenges.
We now have elderly Asian shooters and transgender shooters...and extremely serious and widespread mental health problems. Young women have experienced skyrocketing mental illness with the rise of smartphones and social media (see Jonathan Haidt).
Anarchy ends only when lefty centrists stand up and take control, or when the anarchists appoint another Stalin or Mao to exterminate all the sane and the functional people in society. After that the bully crazies will starve as happened in the 20th century USSR and China, and a degree of sanity will return among those still living.
See Kunstler (https://kunstler.com/writings/clusterfuck-nation/) for left-of-center biweekly rants against the anarchistic "Party of Chaos."
I'd like to second Dave Begley's point about language. Let us be honest and factual, and replace "gender-affirming care" with the more accurate "sterilization/mutilation."
Salman Rushdie says 'Hey'
When someone says 'Words are Violence' and that is allowed to stand, then violence becomes the order of the day, in response, sooner or later.
The way you refer to something matters. It can be neutral and scientific, or moral--implicitly pointing out what is good and what is bad. "Gender-affirming" is fairly explicitly good. "Gender-denying" would be equally explicitly bad. That fact that media use the former shows the mindset of the people working there. Of course, neither term is necessary. The old "sex change" was both accurate and neutral.
This is some ghoulish misdirection by the DNC-Media Complex. It is disgusting to see them ignore actual victims of violence just because the perp is another crazy transactivist. Several recent mass shooters have been crazy trannies. And the obvious fact that self-mutilation has always been a hallmark of mental illness will not be easily waved away by telling us how fearful other people with mental challenges are. The story Althouse highlights here is not even the most egregious of the Hive Media reactions, most of which blamed prominent Nashville conservatives for fomenting hate along with Christians and the State of Tennessee. Why is the national media hyping this angle and encouraging more hatred by fueling the upcoming trans day of rage?
Marjorie Taylor Greene raised the question of whether the shooter was taking testosterone. We may never know, but given how people who knew her are saying this was totally out of character for her, it's something people are going to wonder about.
Obviously one cannot blame all of the law-abiding members of the trans community for this one person's crimes, but somehow that point gets lost when discussing law-abiding gun owners.
Charlie: The previous state law (like most states on this topic) banned adult cabaret shows (defined to include strip clubs and shows with male/female impersonators) near schools and parks and whatnot. The new law extends the ban to anywhere kids might be present, but it also limits the definition to male/female impersonators that appeal to the prurient interests.
Ironically, under the old law, an actually PG-rated drag show in a park would be forbidden, but it would be allowed under the new law. I’m not sure that was the intent. But if you’re certain the show doesn’t “appeal to the prurient interests” (obviously a subjective standard, but not a new one), the act does not ban drag shows, even if for those odd people who have suddenly decided performing drag for children is vitally important. It’s a tempest in a teapot.
"we are to prioritize empathy for members of x because they are experiencing fear"
Taking a page from the islamophobia playbook.
“Fear pervades Tennessee Christian community amid refusal to hold trans murderers accountable. “
The left is always, always loudly in favor of "sensible gun control" (whatever that means). Since people who premise their existence on a fundamental rejection of biology cannot be entirely rational, and since it is a fundamental tenet of leftism that irrational persons have no right to keep and bear arms (so goes the classic spiel established after the JKF assassination if not long before), it follows that it is in the general interest... nah, the Nooyawk Times will never go there.
The purpose of this kind of story is what's called "harm reduction."
Harm reduction is the primary purpose of journalism today. It's the rationale and justification for censorship, for deplatforming, for correct narratives and even for election fortification.
Oppressed peoples must be protected from their oppressors. There are good people and bad people. Good people are woke, bad people are not woke. People who aren't woke do harm to oppressed people.Woke people must use whatever power they have, great or small to reduce the harm non-woke people do.
This is not about transgender (e.g. homosexual) people, but rather psychiatric dysphoria (e.g. genderfication, class-disordered ideologies), Levine's follies targeting underage boys and girl through medical, surgical, and psychiatric corruption. The three children and three adults are collateral damage of social progress. RIP #HateLovesAbortion
I just looked at the hashtag. It appears that it might have been repurposed for the Nashville shooter, but was originally started because of the Terf woman being assaulted in New Zealand by a large crowd.
Not so much fear as reporting. And on Twitter.
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What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?
11:53 PM · Dec 15, 2016
"amid focus on Nashville shooter's gender identity."
Uncanny how often you read a headline and think "welcome to the club."
Is there anything that's inconsistent with the notion that a smallish group of people is trying to manipulate us to keep at each other's throats always?
The entire Trans activist narrative is fraught with false claims that opposition to their anti-scientific assertions about gender and sex is literally committing "trans genocide". Trans activists routinely use emotional blackmail threats of suicide if trans people aren't affirmed and celebrated unconditionally. The people who disagree with them are intolerant transphobes and "fascists". They are using ANTIFA tactics and openly aligning themselves with ANTIFA to assault women and shut down rallies by feminists who dare to say out loud that trans women aren't women.
Nevermind the fact that the transies are celebrated in the broad progressive popular culture, in the Universities, the current Federal Government and corporate world without question. They are victims of "oppression" and thus their radicalism and extremism is justified in their minds. They claim to be "afraid" simply to garner smypathy. They are quite comfortable banding together in mobs to attack dissenters.
Transies and their sex weirdo allies are now being denied access to other peoples children in schools via the political process and it is driving them into new heights of rage. We should expect more violence from their community.
The three innocent kids and three innocent adults had it coming, or so the shamelessly moronic leftwing MSM would have Americans believe. Damn them to Hell.
I am sick of it and sick of this poor excuse for journalism.
And it is not "gender affirming care." It is "gender altering care."a
Gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes) can be simulated, even influenced, but, unlike trans/homosexuals et al, trans/neos suffer from a progressive condition that is not mitigated, and, in fact, may be unpredictably accelerated, through permanent and often fatal gender corruption. The three children and three adults are victims of Levine's personal affirmation, Progressive Liberal sects, the State-established Pro-Choice ethical religion, and diversity (i.e. class-disordered ideologies).
Because of our ugly divided politics we cannot correctly analyze these mass shootings whether it is a lonely incel, or in this case a transgender person.
Born or conditioned, these people are mentally ill. Beyond suicidal. They want to take some innocent people with them as some form of revenge for the unhappiness they struggled with their entire lives. I don't believe that is Democrat or Republican.
Instead fingers are pointed, and we will never address the real root cause, nor find a solution. It's heartbreaking all around.
I can't help but think about the young people who may not go to the mass shooter extreme, but live much the same existence.
"'Kim Spoon, a trans activist based in Knoxville, Tennessee, said. “More blood’s going to be shed, and it’s not going to be shed in a school.”....'
"That sounds like a threat. The blood already shed was shed by a transgender individual and that blood was shed in a school. Spoon's words, even in the limited context given, might be seen as a threat that the transgender community will act preemptively, not limiting the violence to a Christian school."
I read it exactly the opposite. Spoon is expressing fear that all members of the trans community will be targeted for violence as a consequence of the school shootings by one person from that community. After all, in the wake of COVID, many Asian-Americans were singled out for verbal and physical abuse. Stupid people will always do the stupid thing.
A handmade tale, another one. Fortunately, most people, men and women, do not subscribe to an ethical religion, and will not progress to exercise liberal license to indulge diversity (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry).
The media will keep stirring us up for views - for their profit - as long as we keep allowing ourselves to be stirred up, but this or any other divisive issue.
Suppose They Gave a [Trans Day of Vengeance] and No One Came?
She tweeted something to the effect that "attacks on the trans community must stop." The more accurate statement would be, "the trans community must stop attacking innocents."
In a similar vein, most of the victims in the trans/homosexual community were targets of other trans/homosexuals, and their own disordered choice(s). The same process was followed in the "war" on women, where babies, specifically, judged and labeled as "burdens", were sacrificed... planned for social progress, medical progress, domestic gross product, political leverage, and fair weather causes.
The Nebraska Jacobins have filed 700 amendments against existing bills for consideration.
That's their Trans Weeks of Vengeance.
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
Perhaps people undergoing gender transformation should be denied the right to purchase guns.
Yea or nay?
the "Trans Day of Vengeance" that was trending on Twitter for a week before the shooting escaped mention in the NBC article. Nothing to see (or fear) there.
The same thing happened with medically-induced mass shootings in schools, psychiatric incompetence or tolerance of preexisting/known conditions, the trans/homosexual male serial rapist, the minority gang rape... rape-rape of a trans/homosexual female, class-disordered criminal activity, etc. #SomeSelectBlackLivesMatter
>Tennessee lawmakers passed two bills targeting LGBTQ people: A first-of-its-kind law that will criminalize some drag performances takes effect Saturday,<
No they didn't target LGBTQ people. Shoddy journalism from NBC, of course.
The first law, targets no one in particular. It simply prohibits performances involving "nudity, sexual excitement, sexual conduct, excess violence, or sadomasochistic abuse" being done in the presence of children.
>and another that will ban gender-affirming care for the state’s minors<
Yeah, well, good - in so far as it, at most, targets the surgical or hormonal alteration of incipient, minor Ts. It has no effect whatsoever on Ls or Gs or Bs or Qs.
LOL! I hadn't read Althouse's last comment before putting up my own.
To reply to Althouse's comment- how do you suppose the Left would answer that question?
I will point out that a diagnosed mental illness is already a basis for denying a gun purchase.
Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
Reasonable gun control? A minority report? No. This particular girl was already under surveillance, as were other mass abortionists (e.g. at schools), was provided a pass for the sake of sustaining a handmade tale and social progress.
If someone who can in any way be tied to the right commits an act of violence, the right is roundly condemned AND is expected to denounce the person and the ideology of the violent person.
It someone who is part of the left, no matter how inarguably, commits an act of violence, the real danger is the right, the real villains are the people who might be angry about it. Not one person on the left needs to denounce the original act of violence because the person who committed it is just another victim of right-wing hate.
No wonder so many people of weak character are on the left. It's so much easier over there. So little is expected and no one is held to account.
Heads they win, tails we lose.
Won't somebody please think of the Revolutionaries?
Ann Althouse said...Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness:
If it were a mental illness that tended towards violence, then yes. You know who could help us get a better grip on the situation? The trans community. If they cared, if they weren't so narcissistic.
I can't remember the last time anything pervaded anything.
>Ann Althouse said...
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?<
Notwithstanding the fact that your question is sophistic, I am sure that there are few here who do not support laws that deny the mentally ill the right to bear arms.
The deaths associated with trans/neo progress are typically self-abortive. This woman may have been conditioned by social progress and religious sanction to target other people ("burdens") as a palliative treatment.
The claim that trans fear violence is simply cry-bullying. The only violence they experience is suicide, and violence due to being involved in drugs and prostitution. We simply are not allowed to question a favored group.
Dave Begley said, "People need to know that testosterone is a powerful, powerful drug. Think roid rage."
Dave, just for your own knowledge, it's actually not testosterone that creates 'roid rage' and emotional instability.
It's creation of excess estrogen in particular, which is a byproduct of injecting or adding testosterone to the body, that leads to emotional instability. Part of the test converts to estrogen. Everyone is different, and higher levels of body fat lead to higher levels of conversion to estrogen.
Additionally, controlling that conversion is very difficult. The drugs used as well to control conversion and test/estrogen balance is imprecise. Which leads to further emotional control issues.
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Lastly, there is a VAST difference between Testosterone therapy in a man with depressed testosterone and raising it to normal levels, compared to taking a woman and suddenly increasing her test levels dramatically. Or alternatively, taking a man and suppressing levels dramatically.
I'm aware we can do it. I'm not actually aware of longitudinal studies on the psychological impacts of it.
If you were to define transgenderism as mental illness, then wouldn't current laws prohibit gun ownership? Doesn't seem so unreasonable to me. Though I am leery of assigning the label of "mental illness" too readily. These days, nearly everyone seems to have some personality quirk that might be described as mental illness. Obviously, believing that you are intrinsically not the sex you were born as and are as defined by your DNA is a sign of serious mental imbalance. It's a good question. I suppose I would support much easier access to firearms than currently exists for everyone coupled with much harsher penalties for misuse.
"Mental illness" is a metaphor that includes far too many things (neuroticism, depression, schizophrenia, solipsism, social panic, cultural hysteria, etc.) to make it a useful touchstone for legal categorization.
Anyone who believes, and acts upon, the notion that hormone treatment and surgery actually causes a man to be a woman, or vice versa, is thinking poorly and has to be treated carefully. It doesn't help that the medical, psychiatric, and LGTB communities are on board with this weird Lysenkoist movement.
I watched ABC News last night. They did not mention that the shooter was transgendered. They used the she pronoun without any qualifications and mentioned that she was undergoing treatment for mental problems. They didn't define her mental problems....I would guess that's there's more mental illness among the trans community than among the vegetarian community. I don't think this has to do with how they're treated by the world at large. It would help their image if they'd turn down some of their rhetoric.
I object to the language in the NBC article that describes the laws as “targeting” trans people. They are both laws that protect children; one from inappropriate sexualization and the other from medical harm. It’s like the liquor industry saying drinking age laws target bar owners.
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
No.
Perhaps people undergoing gender transformation should be denied the right to purchase guns.
The problem is not gender simulation (e.g. carving a vagina, attaching a penis) per se, but rather the underlying psychosis that is often, unpredictably, a progressive condition, and typically self-abortive, accelerated through superficial but permanent treatment.
There is no such thing as a “transgender” person. The word is itself a malicious lie.
We shouldn’t punish the mentally ill. We are not required to pretend that their delusions are reality.
@Althouse: Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?:
SOME transgendered people are mentally ill. SOME bible-thumping suit-wearing white guys are mentally ill. SOME Black people are mentally ill. SOME gay people are mentally ill. SOME women are mentally ill. SOME priests are mentally ill.
Case by case.
Individual denials of gun rights in the USA follow from being a demonstrated threat to others -- criminal history or mentally ill. This has no link to independent traits or inherent identities. Early gun control laws were used to block Black people's access to guns -- see the SC Bruen decision as written by Clarence Thomas. Many recent anti-gun rules seek to deny rights for things that are otherwise welcomed on the left (e.g., drugs and marijuana) -- if only to limit gun ownership to the maximum extent possible. These efforts are often disingenuous, as their authors seek to put the camel's nose under the tent (quoting Senator Charles Schumer upon passage of anti-gun laws in 1993-1994).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-843
I support laws that block access only a court-determined explicit and elevated "danger to others" finding, but nothing to advance ulterior goals. The young and first offenders must be given the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, many receive so little parental/community attention that the first offense of someone with latent violent mental illness is now often a mass shooting.
Media and political messaging about guns and coverage of these events needs to change, as what we've been doing after Columbine is clearly ineffective.
Nebraska state Senator Megan Hunt said on the floor of the Unicameral that it would cost $7,000 per month to convert her daughter into her son.
$7,000 per month is $84,000 per year. That's a big number. And big profits for Big Pharma and the ghouls at Nebraska Medicine.
Think how much testosterone that would buy. Enough to drive someone crazy.
“Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?”
Yes.
This happened, and is still happening, after every Islamist act of terror. NYT always led/leads the way with something like: "Muslim community on edge, fearing retribution from rednecks, after one of their own, who just happened to be Muslim, slaughtered 45 people in a nightclub."
A LOT of people stepped on their dicks yesterday when commenting upon this.
Their hot takes were victim-blaming, and they seemed to be more worried about the trans community than the victims.
People are very sick, and this current trans 'phase' (it's overblown media hype and social contagion) will tear apart the country if unchecked.
But I think that's the point...
'Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?'
If they are taking drugs like testosterone/estrogen/whatever other cocktail is used?
Yes.
If they're just dressing/looking like the other sex.
No. Of course not.
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
Meaning that if you declare yourself to be transgender, you're automatically precluded from owning a gun? No. I think if you have a diagnosed mental illness you already can't own a gun. A regulation that categorically bans transgender gun ownership would be rife for abuse, sort of like the "TikTok ban" which seems to be, in part, an effort to shut down blog comments. Hey, that would be one way to solve the moderation problem...
Would you support a law that denied [trans/neos et al, trans/homos?] the right to bear arms?
Not even scalpels. It is her Choice after all, but I would discourage the rite as a matter of human rights and interest.
Ann Althouse said...
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
yes, Absolutely.. They are Certifiably INSANE
Of course i have NO IDEA what our Professor means, by "transgenderism".. i only know what i mean
And that is: people that want to mutilate the bodies and those of others (particularly little kids)
The Nebraska Jacobins are now filibustering a routine bill about the Liquor Control Commission.
Dave Begley said...
Nebraska state Senator Megan Hunt said on the floor of the Unicameral that it would cost $7,000 per month to convert her daughter into her son.
Who is supposed to foot this bill? I'm More and more glad, that iowa is protected from nebraska and wisconsin by our rivers
ps. You can have Carter Lake, that's all yours
It’s my understanding that “gender dysphoria disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders due to it being “stigmatizing”. Checkmate.
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
Listening to Chris Plante on WMAL, we can go one step further and deny guns to all Democrats. That would greatly reduce mass shootings.
Robert Cook: "After all, in the wake of COVID, many Asian-Americans were singled out for verbal and physical abuse."
How wonderfully, Cook-ily vague and non-specific
Asians were "singled out" for abuse where? By whom?
As with the legacy corrupt media, the lack of specificity makes it very clear who the perpetrators were.
Which is why the #StopAsianHate hashtag receded quickly after being used by dems and LLR-democraticals to shield the ChiComs/Fauci/Daszak from their gain of function culpability for the COVID outbreak.
A group called “Trans Radical Activist Network” not only has called for a “Trans Day of Vengeance,” including a demonstration in front of the Supreme Court this coming Saturday. In a demonstration of awe-inspiring political tone-deafness, they have announced that they intend to go forward with it.
What do we know and what don’t we know at this point? As of when I last checked this morning the shooter’s manifesto has not been released by the police, claiming that there is an ongoing investigation. Since the shooter is known and is dead, the thought that they still have much left to investigate seems pretty dubious to those of us outside the law enforcement community, and this has led to online speculation that is at the least unhealthy.
OTOH, some of the shooter’s texts to a friend have been published and consequently we know that the shooter expected to die. I was right yesterday when I wrote about suicide by cop being part of the plan. We also know that the shooter was living with her parents while under a doctor’s care for what has been described as emotional disturbance. Her parents were concerned enough to make her sell the firearm they knew she owned, but behind their backs she “legally” purchased seven firearms from five different gun stores and hid them. The report I read says she hid them in the parents’ house, which is plausible. As an aside, I use scare quotes because if she had correctly answered the question about her mental issues the purchases would have been denied. As a second aside, I don’t understand why that many gun purchases from that many gun stores didn’t trigger something in the FBI’s NCIS database because it has the hallmarks of a straw purchaser.
We also know that the members of the LGBTQ community are vehement in their hatred of ordinary, church-going Christians. As an aside, I’m an atheist myself but I respect Christians for their moral values (including those who fail to meet all those values but who at least try to meet them). Nevertheless we now know that the shooter targeted that particular school not because it was Christian but because (1) she had formerly attended that school and knew her way around inside, (2) she knew of side doors with large glass panels that could be shattered by gunfire and allow a sufficiently thin person (like herself) access to the building, and (3) because of Tennessee law she would not have to face armed security.
And one last thought. Apologists for the cowardly cops of Uvalde have tried to make the case that an AR-15 is so scary that the police were justifiably afraid to engage that shooter. The Nashville police showed the Uvalde police what manhood is all about.
There have been half a dozen mass shootings by ttans/queer/non-binary folk over the past 5 years.
I have not seen the math but I wonder if the number shot by these folks exceeds the number of trannies shot by others.
I did see a Stat the other night that showed trannies getting murdered at about halh the rate of the general population. And about 10%the rate of blacks.
John Henry
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
Not me. I consider transgender to be exactly the same thing as anorexia and bulimia. I wouldn't prevent them from owning guns either, even though they are clearly mentally ill. (Have we reached the point where we are supposed to allow people to starve themselves to death yet?)
This is a classic propaganda technique. The heroes and villains are predetermined. All news reporting is based upon making the heroes look heroic and the villains look villainous. If a hero does something objectively horrible, assuming the story cannot be buried then it is the villains' fault. This is just the latest edition. It is so blatant and unfair that it borders on evil. It is detestable.
This is also one of the pitfalls of intersectionality. If you force everyone to be part of a group and then assign group blame, then the preferred groups must be protected at all costs. Hence, the 9-year-olds had it coming, and the real victims are the preferred group, especially those that encouraged violence.
I am not sure why people think civil war is still impossible. This is exactly the sort of behavior that causes civil wars.
"Spoon is expressing fear that all members of the trans community will be targeted for violence as a consequence of the school shootings by one person from that community."
I'd say we're way past that point, since I was assured that simply purchasing the latest Harry Potter video game was literally perpetrating genocide against trans people.
The MSM reporting on these mass shootings or terrorist acts is so fucking tiresome. They all march in lockstop. And they always use the following tropes:
1) If shooter/terrorist is someone they dislike aka a Christian, white person, conservative, etc. then the focus is on how horrible these people are. And how Trump or some Republican/Conservative is responsible too. Y'see the Republicans/Trump/etc. "created an atmosphere of Hate". Not to mention the constant American "racism" or "antisemtism" or "Gay hate".
2) If the shooter/terorist is someone the MSM likes aka a trans/gay, a leftist, a person color. Then the focus is on the "The backlash". How will this affect the "community" that is already "Under siege from hate". Perhaps the famous case was after 911, when the MSM, thought the worst thing about 911 wasn't thousands of dead Americans, but the POSSIBLE backlash directed at Muslims. BTW, based on his 9-11-2021 speech, that included George Bush too!
3) Assuming a gun is involved, the MSM will start screeching about how the NRA and all the republicans that support the NRA, are to blame for the shooting. Guns are to blame. Never will anything the D's or leftists did be blamed.
As far as I know the MSM never strays from the this playbook. We not getting news, we're getting propaganda.
The aborted Christians supported protecting minor boys and girls, babies... fetal-babies, and leaving choices of purely individual impact to adult men and women. The Progressive Liberal sects have reached an alternative conclusion with forward-looking collateral damage.
"Suppose They Gave a [Trans Day of Vengeance] and No One Came?"
It appears that at least one person who would have shown up on Saturday decided to get a head start.
It’s my understanding that “gender dysphoria disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders due to it being “stigmatizing”.
Replaced by psychiatric -- as in professional -- dysphoria.... never. Such is the state of gnosis in the modern model of science.
'It’s my understanding that “gender dysphoria disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders due to it being “stigmatizing”. Checkmate.'
A lot of things were dropped once the American Psychiatric Association went full woke.
These days, nearly everyone seems to have some personality quirk that might be described as mental illness.
True, and at this point wanting to be another sex may just be seen as a consumer choice. In the past, personality quirks could get someone involuntarily committed, and I don't think we want those days back again.
As I understand it, it's illegal to sell a gun to someone who has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution. But how many people have been involuntarily committed nowadays? Don't we try to deal with troubled people without such measures? Do we want to put everyone who has ever sought psychiatric help on a data base?
Had Audrey Hale ever been committed? Could she have been? A responsible gun shop owner should have refused to sell to her if there were signs of derangement, but were there obvious signs that went beyond normal human eccentricity?
Andrew said:
"Fear pervades the Muslim community..."
"Fear pervades the Jewish community..."
I don't think these are parallel statements.
14 minutes from 911 to arrival. Never fast enough, but exemplary.
My one and only close observation of a trans person going through it was of my best friend, right after college. He became mentally ill beforehand - observable in many other ways - and so I now associate this condition generally with mental illness. Although he showed no violent temperament, still his crazy statements made me fear for the safety of my young family, so I did not maintain ties with him.
@Althouse, go read question 11(f) on the standard questionnaire for a firearms purchase.
“We are terrified for the LGBTQ community here,” Kim Spoon, a trans activist based in Knoxville, Tennessee, said. “More blood’s going to be shed, and it’s not going to be shed in a school.”....
I bet she would have said last week that blood was not going to be shed in a school - that would have turned out to be wrong.
"Big Mike's" comment above said what I think.
This person was mentally ill, but not psychotic, as far as I can tell. The nonsense level is reaching higher as time passes. Her parents did not "reject" her because they are devout Christians, as some media said, because she was living with them. If they tried to keep her from guns they were being good parents. The tranny thing has gotten out of control. The scenes from New Zealand the other day were horrific. The trannies seem to have become adopted by the Marxist left. Violence is here.
On whether being trans should be enough to deny someoone their right to own a gun -
I think the broadest definition of trans (the belief you were born into the wrong body) is a sign of mental unwellness, but not something that by itself would cross into dangerously unwell. But once that belief crosses into a need for validation of that belief from others it certainly could. The unusally high suicide attempt rates in trans individuals is often diagnosed by trans activists as a lack of external validation, which in my opinion does cross into dangerously unwell territory, even if that danger is to themselves most often.
Genuine question : isn't open suicidal idealation already something that would (in a perfectly working system) get your guns removed if reported to the proper authorities?
Every individual is unique.
Gender dysphoria is a mental condition, which may be harmless...or may be combined with other mental conditions to render the person who suffers from it a danger to him/herself and others...just like other human beings. The question is, how should it be treated?
Gender-affirming care is a form of denial--a denial of biology. At one level, who cares? Live and let live. The problem is that gender-affirming care may cause or deflect attention from or cover up a host of other mental problems. And there is a real question as to whether or not it works. The perp here was 28 years old.
As to Althouse's teaser about second amendment rights, we have lots of disturbed people who own guns. Thank heavens for those Nashville police officers, who also own guns. I would be equally grateful for civilians with guns who might have taken down the shooter. Note the stories that say that the shooter did not attack another school because it was too well defended. Are they true? That should tell us something.
"Suppose They Gave a [Trans Day of Vengeance] and No One Came?", says Meade.
This event has been postponed until they can get AZ Gov. Katie Hobbs as the keynote speaker. Then they'll start gunning 'em down.
Interesting chart recently seen in which 70+% of “trans” people were actually cross dressers. 6% had surgery less than 20 % on hormones. So. We are dealing with people really and truly not that committed other than establishing membership in the “community.” But they are fearful. The new men are scared? Men? It is confusing.
Instead, we're expected to look away because trans people feel fear of what you might think if you think about it.
The same thing happens with Black crime, especially Black on White crime.
Protect the Trans. Confiscate the guns. Forget the dead. Ignore the hate crime.
Lefty morality, priorities, hypocrisy on display!
Perhaps this was just a person that latched onto the Trans-identity out of mental desperateness. Trans is the "cool" thing these days. And the Trans-activists rush to declare if you've ever had a thought or dressed or acted in a non-bio gender way, you are definitely Trans. Well, now they want nuance. Sorry, this is what happens to movements. Hard declarations that leave you open to the acts of criminals, sadists and the mentally ill who join, and are often the most zealous.
I was watching a video on the history of the KKK [Forgotten History channel]. He remarked on the collapse of the 2nd rising of the Klan in the 1910/20s happened because of the acts of the more sadistic and criminal caused loss of support in media, etc. Same happens to most movements. The media worked hard to suppress coverage of the murders by Antifa "members".
For 70+ years, the German professors taught their students the basic premise of what became known as Nazism. But after a few ruthless sociopaths gained influence and took up the violent tactics of the Third International communists, well, we know what happened. But the German college-credentialed were well steeped in the cult to the point they couldn't/wouldn't challenge the murderous culture it created.
Ann Althouse said...
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
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I don't know if it's surgically possible..yet. It would seem to make operating a gun damn near impossible.
PETA may have a problem with it.
Hey, how're we doing with the release of her/his manifesto?
Ann Althouse said...
"Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
According to federal law if you are mentally ill you're already barred from owning firearms let alone bearing them. It's on form 4473.
I will point out that a diagnosed mental illness is already a basis for denying a gun purchase.
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do background checks reveal such information?
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
This also begs he question, should women with and without penises be allowed to bear arms during 'that time of the month'.
"Trans Day of Vengeance" is merely a borrow from "The best defense is a good offense".
Sometimes this includes those who are gun curious.
Hey, how are we doing with the Tox screen? S/He was under care of a doctor for "emotional issues".
Ironically, the murderer's mother took the time to demand more gun control, but she didn't lift a finger to enforce existing gun laws against her own daughter. The mother knew the daughter was being treated for a mental disorder but let her keep a gun in her house and did not, as existing laws require, report this to the police. Now she's saying she thought the daughter sold it and claims to not know about the other weapons stored in her house. I think she's a liar.
And yes, April 1 and 2 are being announced internationally as Trans Violence Against TERFs Days. Some sites recommend punching TERFs in the face. And yes, people who speak out against medically mutilating children (not to mention the government forcing the rest of us to pay for it with our federal taxes, which fund posh insurance for government employees), have been brutally attacked already and need security and home protection. At the risk of meandering into feminist stereotype, that's not funny. This is clear incitement to political violence.
Arizona Governor(D) Katie Hobbs' press secretary, who tweeted she wanted to "shoot transphobes" just hours after the school massacre, is one who should be charged.
But because this violence is being directed against biologically born women, it's not hate crime, because we don't count. Only men who say they're women, or women who say they're men, count.
@Nancy,
"I don't think these are parallel statements."
Why not? Genuinely curious.
Andy Ngo told Tucker Carlson that as much as 20% of those arrested for violence by ANTIFA identify as "trans." The violence seems to be a part of it already. That scene in New Zealand was horrifying.
so what is transgenderism ? profession or ideology or condition or support for some such ?
Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6eee1062-6e0f-4bf9-b88a-333201cdcad1
Those of us who "think transgenderism is a mental illness" are just recalling a few short years ago that psychiatry considered it a mental illness before it was downgraded to "gender dysphoria" which is now downgraded "needs 'affirming' care." Note that my comment above specifically cited "self-mutilation" as one sign of mental illness. I stand by that, and further, it falls into certain actions and decisions that adults might be entitled to make (like tattooing their eyeballs) that we do not allow children to make unimpeded, not when it is a life-altering decicison.
Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms? If "them" suffers from the illusion they are in the wrong body they should be diagnosed as mentally ill and denied a gun unless and until a psych signs off on an eval saying they do not intent to harm themselves or others. Certainly the young lady who murdered people this week was ill and if people back so-called red flag laws, and a lot of people do, it is on them to explain why one would not have applied in this case.
It’s my understanding that “gender dysphoria disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders due to it being “stigmatizing”.
i.e. "harm reduction"
Speaking of using "clearer language" I'd like to point out that the word fetish has waned as useful descriptor of sexual preferences, being more commonly employed in political arguments now (i.e. "the right has a gun fetish"). However it is a useful word to distinguish between one's preferences (like being a swinger or bisexual person) and one having a "lifestyle choice" where you choose the sexual preference or sexual expression as your dominant ontological definition: "I am now a man" or "I am LGBT and proud!." This is a long way to approach my point here, which is that in my opinion people who self-identify using sexual expression as their descriptor tend to be less happy, less well-adjusted, less stable, and less employable by most objective measures. There is something to the old phrase about a man "thinking with the wrong head" that applies here equally to both sexes and the genders they express.
Transgenders with stable or unstable conditions should feel threatened by this government-sanctioned activism to target underage boys and girls through medical, surgical, or psychiatric corruption.
I'm in the gun industry in a support role. I don't support red flag laws for myriad reasons; but if a state has red flag laws, thinking that you need to cut off body parts in order to be your true self should qualify. Equal application of the laws isn't optional.
"14 minutes from 911 to arrival. Never fast enough, but exemplary."
Not the police's fault- 14 minutes is pretty quick, but it again highlights the more basic problem- when seconds count, the police are minutes away. An armed teacher could have prevented some of those six deaths, or could have at least tried to do so.
Is assigning two LGBTQ+ writers to this story good journalistic practice?
A quick review of their work shows a distinct lack of objectivity, particularly on the part of Yurcaba.
If the shooter/terorist is someone the MSM likes aka a trans/gay, a leftist, a person color.
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is that like y'know >> shooter/terorist affirming coverage!
Althouse: "Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
Lefty logic? Are all people who are mentally ill denied the right to bear arms? No.
So, no.
The Decades of Evidence That Antidepressants Cause Mass Shootings.
There is something about the liberal / Democrat concentration and promotion of transgenderism that isn't about equality or equal rights, nor it is about bringing transgender people into the mainstream.
It is about CHANGING the mainstream for some sinister purpose. They obviously see it as something that gives them an advantage with their base. A new group of oppressed people. Another brick in the intersectionality wall.
They're really not doing anything to help the transgender community by making it fashionable and increasing the community's number with those that experiment in cross dressing.
A majority of trans in social media have made it clear they put their own desires to be “seen and heard” by little kids over the well being of even toddlers. I used to find drag shows minimally amusing. I had no problem with them, like I had no problem with burlesque, as an adult entertainment kept within adult spaces. But the trannies are showing themselves to be just as invested in grooming other peoples children as any of the other LGBs are. More so it seems.
So now I do not like them, do not find them amusing and do not care if someone shoots up a drag show full of hard core activists who want to push homosexuality and gender confusion on children. YES I would rather see adults suffer who are choosing to do demonstrably damaging things to children than to see children suffer. Keep your kink to yourself.
Bring back the demarcation of public spaces and adult spaces. Keep drag in adult spaces. Keep homosexuality and anything sexual that would confuse small kids in adult spaces. The only thing elementary school kids need to know about sex is where people shouldn’t touch them and for older kids like 5th graders where babies come from. It is weird and sick that adults want to talk to other peoples little kids about their private lives.
Old trick practiced by the Muzzies, helped along by the Democrat MSM. A Muslim, following the instructions of his Allah as written down by Big Mo, kills a bunch of people, infidels in his mind and for that reason worthy of death. The MSM instantly puts up the headlines, "Local Muslims Fear Backlash."
A backlash which btw never comes.
Althouse: "Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
I would bet my house that 99.9% of transgender people* are weak-minded individuals** who have become victims of media hype and mass hysteria.
Prove me wrong...
*Those that have true dysphoria have a tough row to hoe. God bless them.
**Which is why it is wrong to be teaching/espousing this in any school up until college. Even then, the minds of 18 year-olds are suspect...
The reason the Left will not denounce members of their own group who commit crimes or even mass murder is that they firmly believe (or claim to believe) that these crimes are directly and completely caused by oppression. They have no explanation for crime in places devoid of whites.
They're hysterical that the legislatures are halting their efforts to brainwash, drug, and mutilate vulnerable children.
That left them with no other choice: Can't groom 'em? Shoot 'em.
Wait a minute. Isn't NBC News one of the outlets that, just two weeks ago, foretold of the imminent Trump indictment and arrest?
And don't they also put out a similar article after each shooting in which a Muslim person is the murderer? (Muslims fearful of attacks)?
For the record, isn't NBC News the network that gave Al Sharpton a show?
'Nuff said. They are out to create a narrative. In this case, a 'pervasive fear'. Don't allow them that. The Trans community is already ridiculously paranoid and talking about something called a 'trans genocide'. (wait, what? Are there Trans people being murdered by the bucketloads around the country?) And to prop themselves up, the Trans Community had planned a 'Trans Day of Vengeance' and in preparation, have been posing and posting photos of themselves heavily armed, sent in from all over the country. Maybe NBC News sees a good opportunity to fan the flames of irrationality and violence. This, more than the news, seems to be their raison d'être these days.
There was a meme from the war on terror:
"Muslims fear backlash from tomorrow's bombing"
That can be adapted:
"Trans activists fear backlash from tomorrow's violence"
they firmly believe (or claim to believe) that these crimes are directly and completely caused by oppression.
Ostensibly, yes. Critical Oppressors' Theory (COT) complements Critical Racists' Theory (CRT).
#BabyLivesMatter(BLM) #SexFromConception #DiversityIndividualsMinorityOne
136 comments and not one mention of Reefer Madness as an obvious factor.
Refreshing.
What is "transgenderism," anyway? Is it the mere desire to change sexes or does it actually require taking measures that are intended to change sexes? This woman in Nashville may have identified as transgender, but I couldn't really tell what, if anything, she was doing, apart from CALLING herself transgender, that actually made her transgender.
There's obviously a strong association between transgenderism and mental illness. For one thing, the so-called experts keep telling us that people who want to change sexes but can't tend to be, or become, suicidal. Suicidal tendencies are a pretty big red flag for mental illness.
I can't imagine there is any significant segment of the "trans" population that has not been diagnosed with a mental disorder, is not treating for a psychological affliction, and is in fact fundamentally happy and well-adjusted. There seems to be an awful lot of anger from that "community," evidenced in part by the high percentage of antifa that are reportedly of the trans persuasion. Clearly these people are suffering psychologically and emotionally even before they embrace the notion of changing sexes, and I see no evidence that that "solution" is doing much to alleviate their miseries.
Social progress: two men and a womb, carve a vagina, off with her breasts, reproductive sterility, persistent dysfunction and disfigurement, self-abortive therapeutic enhancements, Levine's personal affirmation. You should probably wait until after the age of confusion, well past the age of majority, and only then with unambiguous medical disclosure.
"I'd like to think that human beings can think straight and would not hold the acts of an individual murderer against the group that murderer belongs to (or may belong to), but passion and irrationality are high, and protests are not exemplars of rationality and impassivity."
A good example would be Emmet Till, If some crazy white people killed him for no reason at all, then the rest of the white people should be blameless, and that should be the end of it.
Hey, whatever became of the Vegas shooter investigation?
Triggered by Country music?
Yancey Ward: Not the police's fault- 14 minutes is pretty quick, but it again highlights the more basic problem- when seconds count, the police are minutes away. An armed teacher could have prevented some of those six deaths, or could have at least tried to do so.
Perhaps a school analog to the Federal Flight Deck Officer program?
There is something about the liberal / Democrat concentration and promotion of transgenderism that isn't about equality or equal rights, nor it is about bringing transgender people into the mainstream.
It is about CHANGING the mainstream for some sinister purpose. They obviously see it as something that gives them an advantage with their base. A new group of oppressed people. Another brick in the intersectionality wall.
It's about power, and social positioning. The more you can be cancelled on a whim by someone whose pronouns change daily, the more you'll try to curry favor with that person. On the other side, claims of transgenderism, alternative sexual orientations, etc., are a quick way to gain credibility and influence on the left. In essence, it's a form of social credentialism.
here's some Thought Questions..
Should people on anti-psychotic drugs be banned from owning firearms? If so, Why? If Not, Why Not?
Should SSRI's be considered anti-psychotic drugs?
Of the school Shootings in the last 20 years.. How many were committed by people on these types of drugs?
How many OTHER types of shooting are committed by people on these mood modifying chemicals?
BONUS ROUND..
Are there ANY people in the country, that are gender dysphoric, that are NOT on these meds?
Are there ANY people in the country, that are NOT on these meds?
Maybe already said it in a different thread: See the Slenderman Stabbings. Couple of twelve-year-olds concluded that, to get right with Slenderman (some net cartoon weirdness), they needed to murder a friend. Turns out the nineteen stab wounds did not add up to fatal. Hate when all that work goes to waste.
If it's that bad, it's got to be worse. Picture a bell curve. These two were at the extreme end. Extreme extreme, far as we know. But if we had a way of defining "half as bad", how many? And how bad would half as bad be? Ditto a quarter as bad.
For normal people, Slenderman is a yawn. But how many vulnerable young people are there? How can a member of H. Sap--we spent a million years coming up the hard way and now our young can be turned inside out by a freaking cartoon?
So, such vulnerable people are now exposed to transing as the greatest thing since sliced bread and, in addition, you get to feel edgy and brave.
WTF?
I wasn't afraid of transgendered people until this nutjob shot up a school and killed people.
I'm not going to be a part of your make believe lifestyle choice.
"The claim that trans fear violence is simply cry-bullying. The only violence they experience is suicide, and violence due to being involved in drugs and prostitution."
And you know this...how?
"Robert Cook: 'After all, in the wake of COVID, many Asian-Americans were singled out for verbal and physical abuse.'
"How wonderfully, Cook-ily vague and non-specific"
"Asians were 'singled out' for abuse where? By whom?"
All you have
to do is
conduct a cursory web search
to see scads of reports and information about post-Covid increases in anti-Asian hostility in America.
You come and their kill children and you worry there 'might' be a backlash????
You say the mass murder was a martyr??? Oh what were the children? Collateral damage? No biggie.
Reap what you sow.
You pushed trans stuff in everyone's faces and forced them to 'accept' you ... AND THEN KILLED THEIR CHILDREN.
And now worry about 'backlash'....
Duh!
Tennessee's trans community
Three pretty nice folks, I hear.
Just in case you were wondering, yes, people who call themselves "transgender" are significantly more likely than the rest of us to get killed. That is mostly because so many of the black ones go around pretending to be female prostitutes.
I would support a law that denied guns to convicted felons and those mentally ill. I thought most states aleady had those laws.
And yes, April 1 and 2 are being announced internationally as Trans Violence Against TERFs Days.
If they had any decency and a sense of humor, they'll tone it down to Trans Working Against Terfs Days.
"After all, in the wake of COVID, many Asian-Americans were singled out for verbal and physical abuse. Stupid people will always do the stupid thing."
Now, Cookie. Are you perhaps being just a trace disingenous today? Would you like to tell us exactly who "singled out many Asian-Americans"? And not just for verbal and physical abuse, but also for quite a bit of robbery and murder? Hint; it was not white Christians.
136 comments and not one mention of Reefer Madness as an obvious factor.
Reaver madness: abortion, cannibalism, and sadism, but rather than sequester the carbon of their victims, they would string the bodies in parades to intimidate the next wave.
"Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
No. I think most people on the left are insane, in many cases dangerously so, but that doesn't mean that they should be at each others mercy, any more than I should. It might serve them right, but that's not really a sound basis for public policy.
"You know who could help us get a better grip on the situation? The trans community. If they cared, if they weren't so narcissistic."
Oh, please. A bunch of twisted, self-sterilized perverts on disability welfare who fortunately seldom have children are a "community"? Give it a rest. A long, long rest.
"Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
The way this question is phrased steps around the actual issue: Who determines what mental illness is?
If you're going to define it as something that rational people look at and go "Yeah, that dude/dudette is a violent nutter...", then I'd say that preemptively disarming them and barring them from weapons possession is a damn fine idea.
If you're going to say that "mental illness" is whatever the current regime decides to term mental illness, which will likely be "holds opposing political views to the regime" before very long, well... No.
The sad fact is this: If you're so fundamentally disturbed about something as cut-and-dried as your sexual identity, which is basic to anyone's mental health? You probably should be under some sort of supervision, and should not be afforded the same rights as everyone else. How many of these people in Antifa are "transgender"? How many of them fantasize and ideate about hurting other people?
There's a whole complex of negative behaviors that cluster around this sort of mental problem. I have run into vanishingly few of the LGBTWTFBBQ types that I'd put my name down on as being fit for what the government calls a "position of trust", and that includes a lot of people whose sexual proclivities I was unaware of before making that decision.
I'm sorry, but when you can't figure out that you're a boy when you've got boy parts? Or, vice-versa? There's something fundamentally off in your mental framework, and that isn't something minor. Most of these people have persecution complexes, even when there isn't anything there to justify it. Many of them are so insecure that they imagine that people are "out to get them" when the reality is far from it.
Witnessed a young woman with these issues a couple of summers ago: She was obviously female, but dressed as a very butch lesbian, almost stereotypically so. She was ahead of me in the line at the register, and she obviously presented a quandary for the poor bastard that was cashier at that position. You could see him trying to calculate which it was, in his head... And, of course, he picked wrong. The response he got from her was impolite, savagely so, as she corrected him for addressing her as "Ma'am". Delivered in an obviously feminine voice, BTW... Quite crazy; I got the distinct impression that he likely could do no right in that case.
A lot of these people are just mad at the world, and entirely delusional. I'd say that most of them have no business being armed, with anything in any capacity. If you spend some time out on the fringes of the internet where Andy Ngo scouts things, you'll find a hell of a lot of stuff that should just disturb the hell out of you.
i finally found this again, sorry it took me so long.
https://twitter.com/EITC_Official/status/1620176656295137281
Dr. Mihalopoulos at @UofUHealth
explained that testosterone increases the rate of suicidal ideation and self harm in young girls. She didn’t want lawmakers to stop her, but today Utah banned these destructive practices on minors.
if you listen to this Dr, things will make MUCH more sense.
According to Dr. Mihalopoulos:
testoserone can make people feel 'agitated', more irritable, sometimes causes impulsive reactions..
We decided to start with MUCH lower doses Now, to reduced that agitation and irritability; because when we went back through over 100 of our trans boy charts, and looked at mental heath..
Their rates, of suicidal ideations and self harm and depression screening scores were MUCH higher, than the trans girls taking estrogen.. I don't know, if we need to address any other mental health stuff...
But, DON'T WORRY! she STILL wants to be able to prescribe hormones to kids...
It's NOT like she's Not asking herself... "What if we're Wrong"..
It's that she's Realized that They are Wrong.. But! Wants to continue, Anyway
38 transgenders killed in 2021:
20 perps were reported to be black
3 perps were Hispanic
Zero perps are known to be white
No suspects yet in 10 cases
2 killed by police, 1 in jail, 1 by a juvenile, 1 by another trans of unstated race.
It isn't white Christians the trannies should be fearing.
How did she learn to operate and shoot those weapons? How could you live with your parents and go in and out with weapons and ammo to a range without anyone noticing?
A first-of-its-kind law that will criminalize some drag performances takes effect Saturday
So stupid to go after free speech and ideas. So idiotic to attempt to outlaw clothing. Dumb as shit. You're attempting to punish people for ideas and symbolic speech. Dumb as shit, Tennessee. Bad call. I might be wrong, I'm too lazy to look up the statute, but I would apply strict scrutiny to government attempts to outlaw drag performances.
Protecting children is important, obviously, but the First Amendment is a thing and Tennessee should know better.
gender-affirming care
This is so fucking Orwellian it drives me up the wall. You're talking about castrating 6-year-old boys, and giving steroids to 9-year-old girls.
You are sanctioning child abuse.
The same way the left sanctions the homicides of unwanted babies.
Through massive lies, monopoly control of the media, and a conspiracy to hide the truth.
Loving your child does not mean allowing them to take dangerous drugs that will fuck up their bodies for life.
Physical abuse and violence committed on a child is a horrific thing, even if the child "consents" to it.
That's why statutory rape is a thing.
Going after "drag queens" is a pathetic bully move.
Going after rich doctors -- and rich hospitals -- for committing atrocities on children, is a lot harder and tougher to do. But that's the fight and that's where our focus should be. Outlaw the horrific violence and let the drag queens go. Forget the symbolic shit and focus on the actual atrocities the media is hiding.
Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?
No.
"Would you support a law that denied (transgenders) the right to bear arms?"
That's a question for the gun controllers. Ask them.
I love it when Cook links to NBC News to justify his lofty lefty bullshit.
According to his linked report, Black Americans still remain the "most targeted" racial minority in Amerikkka despite a near 400% "reported" rise in anti-Asian hate crimes.
Must be all those Proud Boys MAGA extremists and Bugaboo Boys.
Is everyone in NYC that delusional?
A first-of-its-kind law that will criminalize some drag performances takes effect Saturday
In fact, nothing new. It's the same law that prohibits sexually-oriented public exhibitions.
Trans/neogenderism is a mental disorder. The Johns Hopkins study concluded that the majority received no benefit, and, in fact, are harmed, by so-called gender affirming care. They further concluded that the majority could not be predicted. The trans/neogender community should be afraid, very afraid of Levine et al's dreams of personal affirmation.
Every liberal I know hates personal safety - they're against police, prosecuting criminals and firearms ownership.
Takirks @ 7:08: This long thread is packed with common sense remarks and some real wisdom. But your comment stands out IMHO for making the right argument comprehensively and convincingly. Thanks.
rcocean said...
"I would support a law that denied guns to convicted felons and those mentally ill. I thought most states aleady had those laws."
Federal law is that way now.. and virtually all states.
But... you have to be INSTITUTIONALIZED to be considered mentally ill.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
Any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution” is prohibited under Federal law from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing any firearm or ammunition. Violation of this Federal offense is punishable by a fine of $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to ten years.
See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(4) and
924(a)(2). The terms enumerated below are located in 27 C.F.R. § 478.11
ALSO...notice what defines ... “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution”:
https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download
rcocean said...
"I would support a law that denied guns to convicted felons and those mentally ill. I thought most states aleady had those laws."
Federal law is that way now.. and virtually all states.
But... you have to be INSTITUTIONALIZED to be considered mentally ill.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
Any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution” is prohibited under Federal law from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing any firearm or ammunition. Violation of this Federal offense is punishable by a fine of $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to ten years.
See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(4) and
924(a)(2). The terms enumerated below are located in 27 C.F.R. § 478.11
ALSO...notice what defines ... “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution”:
https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download
"According to his linked report, Black Americans still remain the 'most targeted' racial minority in Amerikkka despite a near 400% 'reported' rise in anti-Asian hate crimes."
And?
That does not conflict with my point, which pertained to the increase in hostility expressed in word and deed to Asians following COVID, (as a possible predictor of increases in similar hostility to members of the trans community following the recent school shooting). It goes without saying among rational people--which excludes many commenters here--that black Americans remain regularly subject to discrimination and hostility in our society.
@Saint Croix (8:32), the “some drag shows” banned by the legislation are the “overtly sexual Ed” ones targeting children. The legislation, which takes effect day after tomorrow, bans “adult cabaret entertainment” on public property or in locations where it can be viewed by minors. Such entertainment, according to the measure, includes “topless dancers, go-go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, male or female impersonators, or similar entertainers.”
Do you still object to the law? And do you feel bad about falling for the lefty newsmedia’s mis-characterization of the law?
"Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
No, even if “transgenderism” whatever that actually means is defined as a mental illness. Being diagnosed with a mental illness, contrary to the beliefs of some commenters here, does not prohibit an individual from legally possessing a firearm under federal law. Question 21(h) on the ATF Form 4473 Revised Dec 2022 does not ask the applicant if they have or ever had a mental disorder it asks, “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”. The instructions and definitions go into considerable detail about what these terms mean. To simplify, the condition must result in a danger to self or others or the lack of mental ability to handle one’s affairs and there must be due process. Simply being diagnosed with a mental disorder, no matter what it is, or even having been placed on an involuntary 72-hour hold for observation, clearly does not meet the definition. Interestingly question 21(g) seems to indicate that use of marijuana, even if legalized by a state for medicinal purposes, does prohibit possession of a firearm.
Those who want to ban possession of a firearm on the grounds that someone is “transgender” might want to consider other cases. Should a “domestic terrorist” be denied the right to possess a firearm? Take into consideration that it has been suggested by some on the left that parents who raise certain questions at school board meetings should be considered domestic terrorists, to take just one example.
"Those of you who think transgenderism is a mental illness: Would you support a law that denied them the right to bear arms?"
No, even if “transgenderism” whatever that actually means is defined as a mental illness. Being diagnosed with a mental illness, contrary to the beliefs of some commenters here, does not prohibit an individual from legally possessing a firearm under federal law. Question 21(h) on the ATF Form 4473 Revised Dec 2022 does not ask the applicant if they have or ever had a mental disorder it asks, “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”. The instructions and definitions go into considerable detail about what these terms mean. To simplify, the condition must result in a danger to self or others or the lack of mental ability to handle one’s affairs and there must be due process. Simply being diagnosed with a mental disorder, no matter what it is, or even having been placed on an involuntary 72-hour hold for observation, clearly does not meet the definition. Interestingly question 21(g) seems to indicate that use of marijuana, even if legalized by a state for medicinal purposes, does prohibit possession of a firearm.
Those who want to ban possession of a firearm on the grounds that someone is “transgender” might want to consider other cases. Should a “domestic terrorist” be denied the right to possess a firearm? Take into consideration that it has been suggested by some on the left that parents who raise certain questions at school board meetings should be considered domestic terrorists, to take just one example.
I apologize if this is double posted, I received an error message.
Robert Cook: "All you have
to do is
conduct a cursory web search
to see scads of reports and information about post-Covid increases in anti-Asian hostility in America."
LOL
Robert Cook knows perfectly well just which "groups" were most responsible for asian hate crimes so he made sure to pretend a different question was asked.
This tactic is the favorite amongst faux marxist revolutionaries hanging out in NY coffee shops as well as 13 year olds on middle school playgrounds.
“This is not about transgender (e.g. homosexual) people, but rather psychiatric dysphoria (e.g. genderfication, class-disordered ideologies), Levine's follies targeting underage boys and girl through medical, surgical, and psychiatric corruption. The three children and three adults are collateral damage of social progress. RIP #HateLovesAbortion”
Reminds me of a Closer episode, where the former partner of the crotchety older detective is called back from retirement to deal with a retrial of a case he was instrumental in. Turns out, he had surgically transitioned, and hilarity ensued for the rest of the episode. He was asked, at one point, whether he now preferred guys. No! He/she said. He/she was now a lesbian.
My point here, is that it is not the least bit clear to me that transpeople are homosexuals, merely from their act of transitioning. Males appear to have their sexual orientation, which sex they are attracted to, wired into their brains in utero. Later, you can tell physiologically, by wiring their gonads (while they still have them, in the case of those who have surgically transitioned), which way they are oriented, by showing them pictures of, say, nude males and females. Or, you can use brain waves. In either case, it very much appears that born male brains almost always are wired one way or the other, or, on rare occasions, both ways, before birth. So, if “homosexual” means innate sexual preference, then changing sexual presentation or otherwise transitioning would often not change that, making them homosexuals. Which is to say that a trans lesbian is probably still best considered heterosexual, and thus not homosexual. Similarly trans gays - many are still male preferring, due to their in utero brain wiring.
This may be part of why there are apparently issues now within the LGBTQ (etc) community between Gays and Lesbians on one hand, and Transpeople on the other. The problem seems to me to be that homosexuals gained societal acceptance based on this brain wiring. If sexual orientation (hetero, homo, or bi) is wired before birth, then it cannot be changed through therapy, religion, etc. Orientation is not then a choice, rather the only choice is what do you do about it. Nature versus nurture. Esp with kids, going trans is almost always a choice, and something that many of them outgrow. Puberty and early adolescence are difficult for many, and it shouldn’t surprise many that some adolescents have problems dealing with their newly forming sexual identities. Many, if not most, grow out of this when they become more accustomed to their sexually adult sexual identification.
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