“It’s as if all of the ghosts of all of these people have hired the same PR consultants and are parroting the same PR nonsense,” [said Cooper].... An app that obscures the controversial aspects of historical figures’ pasts or that falsely suggests they were repentant would be dangerous in an educational setting, Cooper told The Post.
Yes, this is very historically accurate and useful and should definitely be used in classrooms. This is my convo with Henry Ford where I try to get him to talk about his very well-documented antisemitism. This thing can’t go anywhere NEAR a classroom. https://t.co/vwy5JsqqTK pic.twitter.com/nkj5mewsK7
— @zgtcooper@mastodon.social (@ZaneGTCooper) January 18, 2023
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The only problem is that it sounds like a contemporary semi-disguised anti-Semite, as compared to an unapologetic one.
This Cooper guy seems to think that's a problem, but the problem generally is to recognize anti-Semitism in whatever form it presents itself.
Wait until they combine AI with deep fakes and holograms.
It's not history, it's historical fiction. I don't see any ethical issues to producing conversations with dead people. How those conversations are used is a different story.
As if we need another demonstration that there's no I in AI.
It has been pre-programmed to follow the apologetic doctrine. The conversation would not be out of place falling out of the mouth of your average, modern day, progressive liberal caught with their pants down.
I get so tired of these totalitarians ALWAYS complaining that someone is saying something they don't like. Or getting upset that some special interest group is "Threatened" by an intellectual discussion.
Fuck the censors. What makes it even worse, is these censors (mostly left) have zero problem with Blasphemy against christianity, pro-communist hate speech, attacks on white people, etc. etc. Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Won't change until people start fighting back. Stand for free speech or for equality of censorship. Going "haha dumb libtards" or making wry comments doesn't work.
Now let's have a Muslim chatbot, or a Palestinian chatbot, or an Abbas or Ilhan Omar chatbot.
Then again, do we need them? And what difference, at this point, would they make?
Is Hitler the only antisemite progs still profess to hate?
Now do Biden.
"Mistakes were made."
Germany was in ruins. Hitler recognized mistakes were made. He didn't perceive himself as a failure though. He thought the German people were not worthy of the grand tasks he given them....Stalin too. At the very end of his life he was planning further purges. Forced collectivization, purges of the officer class of the Red Army, early strategic blunders in the war: he caused the death of millions and did this without at any point reconsidering the sanctity of his goals or his ability to achieve those goals...You'd think a chatbot would be true to their world view. Stalin and Hitler never made excuses of apologies. That's not how it would go down. They would explain how they were a victim of the Jews or the capitalists and how their interlocutor was probably a member of that plot... ..I'd put Henry Ford in a different class. It's true that he gave lessons in anti-semitism to Hitler, but, on balance, his life produced more good than evil. His primary goal was to produce a cheap, reliable car and he succeeded. I can't think of any good achieved by Hitler or Stalin. Hitler has been thoroughly repudiated, but I keep reading justifications for Stalin.
I had ChatGPT write an editorial apologizing for accepting the Pulitzer Prize based on printing lies fed to them by the FBI and CIA.
Here it is in part:
As an editor at The Washington Post, I would like to extend a heartfelt apology to our readers for accepting the Pulitzer Prize based on publishing falsehoods. Our commitment has always been to report the truth with accuracy and integrity, and in this instance, we fell short of that standard.
The Pulitzer Prize is one of the highest honors in journalism, and it is with deep regret that we acknowledge our acceptance of it was based on information that was not entirely truthful. We understand that this undermines the trust that our readers have placed in us and we take full responsibility for our actions.
Who says that AI doesn't have a sense of humor!
The people who fought and killed the real Nazis created feel-good fiction such as The Great Escape, Hogan's Heroes, and The Producers to process it. They often showed swastikas too, but not sympathetically.
What were the ethics of mocking evil? Finding a way to feel superior to the supremacists?
Beatnik Hitler? Weekly interactions with the not-so-bad German Sgt. Schultz and Col. Klink versus really bad Germans?
How would AI respond to Beatnik Hitler? Can AI respond without a nuanced sense of irony, parody, and sarcasm? Interpretation of humor requires (1) awareness of facts, (2) awareness of twisted facts/false reality, and (3) mockery of a target. In other words, humor requires exactly what the lefty Politically Correct censors purged with their earnest Spanish-Inquisition-Woke-Piety.
Democracy/dictatorship, his Choice, diversity (Inequity,Exclusion), redistributive change, Freedom of Access to [Gas] Chamber Entrances (FACE), secular ethical religion, liberal license, personal affirmation through medical, surgical, and/or psychiatric corruption, progress writ large.
"They made a Hitler chatbot. Like, what are the ethics of that? ...It’s as if all of the ghosts of all of these people have hired the same PR consultants and are parroting the same PR nonsense..."
They need a cutesy, euphemistic name, like: Hi Hitler!
Biden fakes are being made. I think this one was created with ElevenLabs AI.
https://vocaroo.com/18XMSC7KZijn
It actually just calls up speeches from Ilhan Omar and nobody can tell the difference...
Jeremy Faust, MD, editor-in-chief of MedPage Today, discussed in a video the impressive but concerning results after using OpenAI to create medical charts and obtain diagnoses for hypothetical patients.
Dr. Faust found the AI diagnosis mostly accurate, but it added on a completely made-up "fact" in its diagnosis of a hypothetical woman with chest pain (that birth control pills are known to contribute to inflammation of the ribcage). When challenged, the AI cited a real study BUT MADE UP THE FINDINGS AND THE NAMES OF THE RESEARCHERS.
"All these people that you mention
Yes, I know them, they’re quite lame
I had to rearrange their faces
And give them all another name"
1) Which is worse: an inaccurate AI that few people really believe and that begins its interactions by presenting a disclaimer about its likely historical inaccuracy or a documentary/docudrama that presents speculation or actual fiction that ends up forming the basis of viewers' understanding of historic figures and events?
2) Conjecture: If anything is likely to lead to people putting down their phones, rejecting the Internet, and re-engaging in face-to-face dialog, it will be ubiquitous, untrustworthy AI.
"BUT MADE UP THE FINDINGS AND THE NAMES OF THE RESEARCHERS."
Yeah, I asked AI chat about Fort Ontario in the French and Indian war, and AI told me that the fort had been captured by the French and held by them until the end of the war, when it was handed over to the British in the Treaty of Paris. In fact, the fort had been destroyed, and the occupants taken to Montreal as prisoners, Montcalm had withdrawn, and the British built a new fort that could be better defended in the same spot.
It was a very plausible fabrication, though.
Re. Hogan's Heroes, The Producers, etc., it's interesting that people today seem more "offended" by many discussions or portrayals of Nazis than people who actually saw combat against or suffered through war with Nazis. Strange time we live in.
BTW, I love that fake ahistorical discussion on Ford. Typical censor-Leftist. Ford has Jewish friends and supported Israel BUT he was an antisemite at one point in his life, so that's that babe. One strike and you're out. The end. Forever.
Do people on the center-right ever get upset at the way the Left has weaponized words like "antisemite" "racist" "white supremist"?
They've bought into the idea that being a "antisemite" "racist" "white supremist" is the WORST THING in the world, so all the Left has to do is keep using those labels and expanding the definitions until everything and everyone the Left doesn't like is an "antisemite" or "racist" or "White supremist". And of course, once its labeled that, it must be censored or destroyed.
And the Center-Right has no real defense, since they've already accepted the premise.
Or… chatbot trigger warning improvisation reviews are in: It’s doing it wrong.
It’s okay, it’s okay. Nobody, including real people, get that right either… like ever.
Some major world historical figures didn't need chabots to defend themselves. They had great poets novelists, Nobel winning economists, and lots of the best and brightest to defend their idiocies. This is particularly true of world historical assholes on the left. Napoleon caused death or disability to thirty percent of the male population of France but his virtues are to this day extolled. It has continued with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Ho Chi Minh. Pol Pot is one of the few leftist madmen who doesn't have a following among bourgeois intellectuals. Various expired caudillos and fascists need their chabots, but not so much the leftists. They'll always have Chomsky, Beatrice Webb, Lord Byron, George Bernard Shaw to tell the world what swell leaders they were.
Hitler's reasons for the war and the final solution would be more interesting, not much understood
Why Hitler Had to Start the War
Takes something that makes no sense and makes sense of it. Also makes available the forgotten lesson that mistakes with things that follow from them are tricky things to deal with, if they're your mistakes.
These chatbot responses read very similar to White House Press Secretary responses.
@rigeldog: I'd be wary of taking Dr. Faust's advice in such matters.
There's that 'hitler' cove again. Not to be confused with the notorious tyrant.
For an informed simulacrum of how Hitler and Stalin would present themselves at the bar of history, you can't do better than Prof. Martin van Creveld's two Kindle books--"Hitler In Hell" and "I, Stalin."
No puling or false tears to please the bourgeois sentimentalists.
Is it speaking in German?
Hey there! Some of my best friends were …
To teach a bot how to quote Hitler, just read it "Mein Kampf". The dirty secret is that Hitler fit far too well with other 30's progressives, who were very comfortable sterilizing the "unfit'. Prejudice against Jews is nothing new. Eugenics was a mark of progressives. There is a reason they like to call themselves "progressive", a tribe with members in both parties.
Prejudice is in everyone. In many ways it can be a useful practice. Walking down MacArthur Blvd in Oakland, or Martin Luther in other cities, prejudice may keep you alive, by keeping you alert to gang members walking toward you. But prejudice, because it is based on emotion, is dangerous. Hitler called physics "Jewish physics", and could not know the truth. Stalin lethally promoted a view of plant genetics that damaged crop yields. This is the danger of Marx or Islam, it chooses ideology over reality.
What is Truth? That must be the question. Let Hitler speak in his own voice. Learn why Japan thought it fit to rule the world, or at least much of Asia in 1933. Learn why Italy kept attacking places like Ethiopia and Albania, and how that defeated Hitler on October 28, 1940, when Italy invaded Greece. To know the mind of your enemy is vital. As Patton is said to have "told" Rommel. "I read your book."
William,
"Napoleon caused death or disability to thirty percent of the male population of France but his virtues are to this day extolled."
By whom??? Certainly not by me; I hate Napoleon at least as much as the fictional Dr. Maturin did.
I'd put Henry Ford in a different class. It's true that he gave lessons in anti-semitism to Hitler, but, on balance, his life produced more good than evil. His primary goal was to produce a cheap, reliable car and he succeeded. I can't think of any good achieved by Hitler or Stalin.
Well, the Führer *did* build the Autobahnen, and called attention to the health hazards of tobacco and of artificial chemicals in our food. And come to think of it, he also had a goal of producing a cheap, reliable car. Unfortunately, he never got to see his People's Car mass-produced, because its factories instead had to churn out military vehicles to fight the war the Führer had foolishly launched.
These chatbots can be unpredictable. Consider Meta's AI chatbot which claimed that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. The Meta chatbot was also a little racist.
Also, I think, it will be more useful to reconstruct Joseph Goebbels because he left a diary (spoiler - he enjoyed what he was doing).
They need a cutesy, euphemistic name, like: Hi Hitler!
Or iHitler to honor labor arbitrage, environmentalism, diversity, and slavery.
But not to be outdone, we'll always have Mao, his Great leaps, his wicked solutions, his rabid diversity, in progress.
I just want everyone to know that I hate Nazis. Especially Illinois Nazis.
Please, hold your applause.
For Americans, November 11th is Veterans day. But every day in Hitler Rememberance day.
Take that, Boney!
Victor Klemperer, a man as educated, experienced, and cultured as any commenter here, (as well as a Jew in Nazi Germany and no friend of tyrants) mused that Napoleon, for all his faults, represented and advanced positive developments in the world; Hitler represented only negation and destruction, and would have no admirers among his enemies and their descendants. (The German Jewish linguist and literary scholar coming to the same conclusion as such modern Brits as Chandler and Roberts, to name only two.)
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