December 9, 2022

From absolutely not to everybody already knew that..

39 comments:

RideSpaceMountain said...

In my finest latin, I have this to say to the mainstream media:

Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego

Daniel12 said...

What if twitter didn't throttle conservative tweets, they throttled violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives.

Maybe you don't agree with that premise. But it would produce the same effect.

One good way to sort this out is to see if Musk's shadow bans -- you have free speech not but reach, I think his quote was --produce the same effect. And/or whether he is intervening to adjust the rules to maintain the reach of conservatives.

Daniel12 said...

(oh forgot to mention that of course we don't know how these decisions were distributed across the spectrum, because all Taibbi and Weiss have presented is a few context free examples)

RideSpaceMountain said...

Very closely to related:

-Who cares what we do in our bedroom, we're not going to get gay married!
-Ok we want to get gay married, but we won't teach LGBT history in school.
-We will teach LGBT history in school, but it will be objective and family oriented.
-We'll be sharing dildos and buttplugs with your child, problem bigot?
-Civil servant's lifestyles don't interfere with their ability to do their jobs!
-So what if they steal bags occasionally, we're not coming for your kids. (we're here)
-Ok we're coming for you kids, hand them over we'll call the police.

tim maguire said...

I've noticed the past few years that those few honest liberals in media aren't just criticizing the left, they are becoming almost crusaders against the left.

I wonder if it's related to the phenomenon where there are few things in life more frustrating then seeing a position you support argued badly. They are sick of watching what the mainstream left is doing to their preferred ideology.

Lilly, a dog said...

A rare Kasie Hunt sighting! If I were a billionaire, I would definitely hire Kasie for my harem of pillow fighting girls in babydoll pajamas.

Mr Wibble said...

A variation on the Law of Merited Impossibility: "that will never happen, and when it does you deserved it."

pacwest said...

OK. Nothing new here. We've seen this act before and we'll see it again. Deny, obfuscate, old news. This is just Act III of the Obama administration's "we just now found out about it from the newspaper today". They have tried to hone the act up a bit though. Give them credit for that. Imagine how 'shocked' they will be when the facts about the big guy's 10% comes out. "But since it's old news who cares? We do have some breaking news about Trump though!"

Achilles said...

It isn't Republicans and Democrats anymore.

It is people who value principles of freedom of speech and association and general freedom vs. an amoral ruling class of people who gravitate towards HR and Bureaucracy jobs and their billionaire patrons.

Large numbers of democrat voters hate their warmongering corrupt corporatist leaders and most republican voters support Trump rather than their corrupt GOPe establishment traitors.

You can see support across ideological lines to people like Sinema and Trump and Gabbard.

This realignment is continuing.

Class warfare will be the dividing line soon.

Lurker21 said...

So dissents on COVID or election corruption are hate tweets?

Laughable.

Maynard said...

Let's move on. It's old news.

We have a few new scams and gaslights coming to entertain you.

gilbar said...

Hilary! wrote steps for this, didn't she?
1. deny
2. refuse to cooperate?
3. say: Everyone ALREADY knew about THAT!
4. moveon.org

Original Mike said...

It's like Greenwald is reading today's comments here.

gilbar said...

Daniel21 said...
violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives.

hmmm? Hmmmm?? HMMMMM???
ever hear of something called, the antefa? They were the appetizer dish before fascism
I wonder if THEIR tweets got blocked?

oh! here's a post for you Finally! Twitter Takes Action Against an Antifa Account, but It's Got a Long Way to Go

Original Mike said...

"(oh forgot to mention that of course we don't know how these decisions were distributed across the spectrum, because all Taibbi and Weiss have presented is a few context free examples)"

Prominent conservatives have been squawking about being shadow banned for awhile. They knew what was being done to them, and now everybody knows they were right.

Have there been prominent liberals making the same claim?

Jim at said...

What if twitter didn't throttle conservative tweets, they throttled violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives.

You'd have to be intentionally ignorant and/or dishonest to make this statement as there are thousands and thousands of violent and hateful leftist tweets STILL on Twitter.

Keep defending the indefensible. Payback is going to be a real bitch.

chickelit said...

A whole lot of nothing burgers are starting to taste like a whopper.
But when pressed about Hunter Biden's "Big Guy" the press is going to insist that HB was talking about his penis b/c everybody already knows he has a whopper.

pacwest said...

@tim maguire

Excellent point. I'm pretty sure you are describing Greenwald to a tee.

Original Mike said...

"…violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives."

It's like the summer of 2020 never happened for Daniel.

Friendo said...

Motherfucker

Jupiter said...

Daniel12 said...
"What if twitter didn't throttle conservative tweets, they throttled violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives."

In that case, they wouldn't have "throttled" tweets about covid, now would they, "Daniel12"?

But thanks for checking in with your owner's latest talking points, it's always amusing to see little shits like you popping your heads up on Althouse. Like you just happened by.

pacwest said...

@Achilles
Class warfare will be the dividing line soon.

Define 'class'. I tend to think of class in economic terms, the haves and have nots, but I don't think that is what the dividing line is or will be. Too much evidence to the contrary in voting patterns. Age demographics (indoctrination) + reliance on government (handouts and favorable regulation) seems to be a stronger factor to me.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

the left = lying liars who lie.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Daniel12 said..."(oh forgot to mention that of course we don't know how these decisions were distributed across the spectrum, because all Taibbi and Weiss have presented is a few context free examples)"

Patience, grasshopper.

“Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal,” Musk tweeted.

Drago said...

Daniel12 has decided this is the hill he will die on.

And his tactic will be the tried and true New Soviet Democratical ploy of always stating what you see now isn't the "real" story...the "real" story is what will come out later...always later...

We have lived it for 6 years with Inga/Howard/gadfly/DouglasLevene/Freder/et al re: russia russia russia/hoax dossier/ukraine phone call/etc.

Maynard said...

How can a tweet be violent?

It must be those Kollege Kids who think that questioning their views causes them great emotional harm.

Original Mike said...

I'm still hoping Daniel comes by with a list of the liberals who were throttled. To, you know, provide context.

Daniel12 said...

"Prominent conservatives have been squawking about being shadow banned for awhile. They knew what was being done to them, and now everybody knows they were right.

Have there been prominent liberals making the same claim?"

There are far fewer huge accounts on the left tweeting banable stuff. Far far fewer.

"there are thousands and thousands of violent and hateful leftist tweets STILL on Twitter."

Regular accounts that are irrelevant to the current release of information.

"it's always amusing to see little shits like you popping your heads up on Althouse"

Quiet down youngster

Daniel12 said...

"We have lived it for 6 years with Inga/Howard/gadfly/DouglasLevene/Freder/et al re: russia russia russia/hoax dossier/ukraine phone call/etc."

2020 election, Jan 6 patriots, endless cancel culture, groomers, endless judgement of how people live their lives, hydroxychloroquine, not understanding VERS, COVID is a liberal hoax.

We all get our hangups (though it happens the ones you quote weren't mine).

Original Mike said...

"There are far fewer huge accounts on the left tweeting "banable stuff". Far far fewer." (scare quotes added)

LOL

First you claim Taibbi and Weiss are not reporting on the banning of lefties "(oh forgot to mention that of course we don't know how these decisions were distributed across the spectrum, because all Taibbi and Weiss have presented is a few context free examples)", and now you claim lefties do not post "banable stuff". Which is it?

walter said...

"there are thousands and thousands of violent and hateful leftist tweets STILL on Twitter."
Regular accounts that are irrelevant to the current release of information.
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Explain the methodology here.
In context of being a "platform"?

Meanwhile, many accounts offering contrary interpretations re covid policy are still dead.

walter said...

Original Mike said...
I'm still hoping Daniel comes by with a list of the liberals who were throttled.
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He/him/it prefers non-specific allusions to relevance.

Yancey Ward said...

Daniel12,

You are snivelling clown.

effinayright said...

Daniel12 said...
"Prominent conservatives have been squawking about being shadow banned for awhile. They knew what was being done to them, and now everybody knows they were right.

Have there been prominent liberals making the same claim?"

There are far fewer huge accounts on the left tweeting banable stuff. Far far fewer.

******************

And you know this for a FACT....how?

Do you work for Twitter?

Do you have access to their stats?

SNORT

STAND, and DELIVER, or STFU.

Original Mike said...

Dr. Bhattacharya's professional opinion was "bannable", apparently.

Jamie said...

Blogger Daniel12 said...
What if twitter didn't throttle conservative tweets, they throttled violent and hateful tweets, which disproportionately came from conservatives.

Maybe you don't agree with that premise. But it would produce the same effect.


One good way to confirm this - to take a page from your book - would be to ask which non-conservative tweeters, or whatever they're called, are complaining of limited reach or effective banning.

What? None?

Hmm.

Or are they just excessively polite? This would not gibe with my experience...

Douglas B. Levene said...

I follow Dr. Judith Curry’s blog on climate science. She used to be the head of the earth sciences department at Georgia Tech but got tired of faculty climate politics and left to form her own consulting firm. Anyway, she is a highly credentialed, serious scientist with views about the climate impact of anthropogenic CO2 that are somewhat different than the consensus. Today she wrote that she had just found out she she’d been shadow-banned on Twitter. Now she’s not a Steven Bannon propagandist. She just thinks that equilibrium climate sensitivity is more likely to be near the bottom end of the range accepted by the IPCC. And this is what the nerfs at Twitter were censoring.

Thank heavens Musk is cleaning house.

GrapeApe said...

Of course always conservatives who are “right wing” but democrats are middle of the roaders. I used to run over armadillos in the middle of the road in Louisiana.

Readering said...

https://twitter.com/WillOremus/status/1601022400946405376

Thread on this issue