November 18, 2022
"And for the gender fluid, she offers 'non-flat' surgery, leaving enough breast tissue so that on some days patients can have a 'perky breast' with cleavage and on other days they can bind their breasts."
Just a snippet of "A gender imbalance emerges among trans teens seeking treatment" (Reuters).
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Moloch approved.
This is really grotesque. So typical of the left to make this a cause.
The election is safely over and we're back to "Trans Story of the Day." Funny, isn't it?
The main subject of that article is now a trans man who is gay........WTF?!?!?!
non-flat surgery?
i guess (by which, i mean; I KNOW) that the IMPORTANT THING, is that doctors perform SOME type of surgery.
After all if the surgeon don't cut.. He don't get paid. And the ENTIRE point of mutilation, is MONEY
What the heck is a gender imbalance?
Let's not talk about the subject of trans people in general.
The post raises a very specific topic. I didn't post to say let's talk about trans again but to say here's something you may not have seen before. It's a new topic: flexible, gender-fluid breasts (achieved through surgery). This is more like the breast-reduction surgery women get not because of gender dysphoria but just because they have breasts that they consider too large. There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!
"There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!"
There's a lot to be said for all breasts. All breasts matter.
Lem wrote: "What the heck is a gender imbalance?"
Means that more persons of one gender assigned-at-birth are choosing whatever it is we're discussing than are persons of the other (or 'main contrasting choice') gender assigned-at-birth. Clear?
“ What the heck is a gender imbalance?”
It’s _sex_ imbalance of course but we’re of course pedantic if we point it out.
Taking advantage of insane people for fun and profit.
Glad we're all having fun here.
When his mother learned of his transgender identity, she was supportive and enrolled him in therapy.
..his mother, who gave consent for her son’s surgery and paid $10,000 out of pocket for it. ..“What was I going to do, let her go by herself?” Bourgeois-Mosley said.
Sounds like, the REAL SOLUTION is to get rid of these mothers?
MOMS? are you Afraid? That your ugly daughter is going to become an ugly woman? (like YOU?)
Follow OUR ADVICE, and your ugly daughter will become.... Your UGLY SON!!!
That's a HUGE Advantage! {somehow}
My middle sister had breast reduction surgery when she turned 18.
She was a very attractive, slim young woman who became hugely endowed as a teenager. As such, all kinds of guys were hitting on her and she was tired of it. 40+ years later, she has few regrets, but having that "flexibility" option might have appealed to her.
It's funny how so many women have issues with their breasts because it is something that men pay a lot of attention to.
When I was divorced and dating in my mid-50s, I dated three women with breast enlargement. I asked one if they were real and she responded "Yes. They are real expensive".
There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!
Yeah, like: "No thanks, let me have the family size."
flexible, gender-fluid breasts (achieved through surgery)
...to make a gender-fluod person feel... what?
Can we all just admit that this is fashion and not emotional health?
This whole topic is too depressing for me to even read the post.
"Scout" in To Kill a Mockingbird was a tomboy, in Go Set a Watchman, she was simply gay. What would Scout be today? I hope I didn't misgender them!
>Mosley socially transitioned, adopting a male name and pronouns and coming out to her mother with a PowerPoint presentation.<
That sentence very nicely sums up the faddish madness of this transitioning-on-whim epidemic.
So then, what's left after a transgender PowerPoint presentation? I've got it! - flexible, gender-fluid breasts!
Look for the camel-toe/moose-knuckle, like Wittgenstein's duck/rabbit.
And we used to worry when teen girls were cutting themselves.
Now it's the 'do-no-harm' doctors.
"There's a lot to be said for all breasts. All breasts matter."
I second that emotion.
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I think the real issue here is that this type of breast surgery should not be allowed for teenagers. I'm trying to get a law passed here in Nebraska to stop these medical experiments on children. We are not Nazi Germany. At least not yet.
There's going to be hell to pay for all of this. Maybe literally.
It's a new topic: flexible, gender-fluid breasts (achieved through surgery).
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Next up: a prehensile penis!
" It's a new topic: flexible, gender-fluid breasts (achieved through surgery)."
So it's a human swiss army knife or a convertible VW Bug? One can pretend to be a different sex on any given day.
adopting a male name and pronouns and coming out to her mother
Whoa, whoa, WHOA did the writer just use the wrong pronoun?
Even Abigail Schrier was careful to get that "right."
The main subject of that article is now a trans man who is gay........WTF?!?!?!
Homosexual orientation with physical divergence. Transgender spectrum.
That said, abort the "B".
Can we all just admit that this is fashion and not emotional health?
First, they deprecated women, then mothers... Once you adopt the Pro-Choice ethical religion, it's a progressive path and grade. #HateLovesAbortion
Hedge your bets as a hermaphrodite. You too can be a utility player, competent in all positions.
Everything is converging. From gene splicing and cloning, robotics and prosthetics and AI down to tattooing and piercings. In the future people will be redesigning their bodies to express their individuality, and at some point, they may not even be people anymore, but some kind of human-machine hybrid. Better living as a chimera. But if modern industrial civilization really is unsustainable, how long can this consumer body-sculpting go on?
I never had the problem, but my mother had large breasts that developed early. She was short, too, a cute little redhead. Men were always ogling and trying to grope her. Ugh.
She flaunted them later on though, because a gal had to use what she had.
Anyway, lurking on the trans/detrans subreddits, I learned that you actually change your sex if you're not happy with the way you were born.
Who knew?
There is a great deal to be said about vultures taking advantage of emotionally unstable children.
the entire trans industry disgusts me.
Next up, inflatable backsides?
Most teen girls are somewhat uncomfortable about their boobs. Boys look. They need a bra. It can be uncomfortable. etc. They are not aware that their boobs will change as the mature, are important for nursing a baby (precluded if you chop them), and will change with weight. Are we to do boob jobs on every teen girl who is uncomfortable about them?
Seems like a shrewd approach to both cash in on "dysphoria" while mitigating liability.
I'm old enough to remember when the left decried female mutilation in other cultures (cutting off the clitoris), but now they are 100% fully on board with female mutilation.
"The main subject of that article is now a trans man who is gay........WTF?!?!?!"
Yeah, girls who trans F to M but like men consider themselves gay men. Lol! Then complain when the gay men won't date them.
There seems to be plenty of curious creeps on dating platforms who want to check out a "man" with a bonus hole.
Tim: Harper Lee was very negative towards females in the book version of To Kill a Mockingbird. Adult females are presented as crude caricatures, and Atticus doesn't believe women have the mentality be permitted on juries. From an early age, Lee was immersed in ugly stereotypes about women: nobody, including the character she based on herself, seems to feel that the repeated incest-rape of Mayella Ewell by Ewell's father is a matter that should be addressed by the justice system, nor that his extralegal murder (rather than prosecution) is problematic -- in a book dedicated to opposing extralegal murders. Hollywood cut out these incoherencies and some key characters in order to make Atticus a pure hero.
After following Truman Capote to NYC, Lee returned to Monroeville and lived out her life with her sister, who was a respected attorney when few women were permitted to practice. Lee was likely gay but very private -- as was her prerogative. Was she groomed to reject femininity and motherhood just as modern young women are being groomed now?
I don't see sliding scale breast reduction being anything more than the latest comeuppance in the radical race up Victimization Mountain. Next they'll be calling full transgenders cis-transgender, just as transgenders call gays and lesbians cis-sexuals, just at gays and lesbians call heterosexuals cis-sexuals. Boy, are the gays and lesbians I know quietly seething now that they're on the receiving end of slurs they cast on others. Revolutions never stop bloodletting until all the corpses are drained.
Breast reductions for health reasons are a different kettle of fish. I have two friends who could finally play sports and live without knee and back pain after having them. Do over-endowed men have similar problems?
I take that as an indication they haven't really thought it through yet and if they think they want to switch back and forth, maybe surgery is not called for.
Thirty-three comments as I write (maybe more by the time I'm approved) and not one of them quotes "Just a snippet" and adds ISWYDT ('I see what you did there')? It's like I don't even know you people. Or maybe I forgot I wasn't at Ace of Spades, where it would have been caught in the first ten comments.
Temujin said...
"There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!"
There's a lot to be said for all breasts. All breasts matter.
Carol said...
She flaunted them later on though, because a gal had to use what she had.
REMEMBER! you go to war, with the breasts you Have.. NOT the breasts you Wish you had
I don't know how to respond, because apparently this discussion is about some main topic that didn't come to my mind on reading the post. What I don't understand is performing life altering elective surgery on someone, who is unsure of what they want from the procedure. That's ethical?
Ann: This is more like the breast-reduction surgery women get not because of gender dysphoria but just because they have breasts that they consider too large. There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!
My 18-year-old niece just underwent breast reduction surgery. Her breasts were so big that they were already causing back problems. So her surgery was medically necessary.
This is not that.
And it's ridiculous to conflate them.
At least one of these girls is suing. Chloe Cole is suing Kaiser Permanente for all the trans support she got as a teen, including top surgery. Good luck with that! Child and parent sign all sorts of waivers.
I have a theory that kids 14 and over are responsible in fact if not in law. But legally they're in this grey area where they can blame everyone else, even as they know - they know! - that they wanted this, moved heaven and earth and threatened suicide if they didn't get their way.
Autonomy, good and hard.
No, it does not make it any better. The problem is there a factual basis of sex, as it serves the most important function of the human race: reproduction. This surgery is irrelevant to that fact. All it does is mutilate a confused person in order to fit the person's self-selected gender stereotypes. Typically, stereotypes are overgeneralizations and often subject to change, if not simply concocted or outright false. Surgery to match stereotypes is insane.
Surgery to reduce breast size when the breasts are causing physical problems is a completely different matter. You cannot fix something that is not broken.
This reminds of the music video by P!nk where she wears an inflatable bra, so in a situation where her boyfriend's attention is wandering toward another woman, she can pull the emergency tab and make her breasts bigger.
Men were always ogling and trying to grope her. Ugh.
Masculinists or male chauvinists. Men will generally notice gender but not obsess, let alone intrude on a woman without her consent.
If it's true, that "Men Did Greater Things When It Was Harder To See Boobs" maybe this is a good thing then.
"Make Men do Greater Things Again" by... making it fashionable to hide boobs again.
The brain is not fully developed until age 27. It's science.
Lem Former Twitter Aficionado said...
What the heck is a gender imbalance?
Most Romance languages.
Back when they were evolving from the local dialects of Vulgar Latin into the early forms of Spanish/Italian/Portuguese/etc, the locals stopped using the different case endings. The forms of the masculine and neuter were close enough that the two (mostly) merged into a new, larger masculine gender. That's why Romance languages tend to have more masculine than feminine nouns.
Seems to me whether they are lopping off breasts with a full mastectomy or cutting them off only partially that they are actually removing the gender fluid. One of the problems is that this is if fact completely irreversible. They can later put in breast implants, as if all they are good for is to be fun bags. But the actual purpose of the breasts - to produce milk for babies - is either severely damaged or destroyed.
And that's a problem.
Profit through Corruption. Transgender normalization through political congruence ("="). This is how they convinced women to adopt bigotry with prejudice, men to seek "benefits" in lieu of relationships, boys to take a knee to groomers, and girls to fuck and sequester the "burden" of evidence in darkness. New breasts, new penis, one less "burden", a new identity in a forward-looking backward world. Nice.
“yeet the teets” and “Come to Miami to see me and the rest of the De Titty Committee,” is this Doctor's advertising.
This leads me to believe this doctor has no real interest in his patients. It's a money mill. For those who really aren't sure about it the Doc is willing to do a half and half. Either way it's a dollar in his pocket.
The article does make one good point. It used to be majority males going transgender, but it is majority female now. One of the reasons was to avoid "early sexualization" of young girls. I can see how that is a frightening thing to a young female, and it's not just the groomers in the school system. It's widespread in our culture. Music, film, advertising, fashion, it's ubiquitous. The solution this Doc is promoting is to cut off your tits so you don't get raped.
I've known two women who've had breast reduction and both said what a relief it was. The surgery may be similar but it ain't the same thing.
In the future people will be redesigning their bodies to express their individuality
This is exactly where this gender-fluid utili-breasts thing will lead. And exactly what I meant when I asked if we can just admit it's not emotional health but fashion.
But we won't be allowed to. We will have to acknowledge the deep pain that not having a magic expando/deflato-bosom is causing the poor young person, and the poor young person will have a legal right to have said utili-breasts installed on the insurance company's dime, and the poor young person will be granted special identity-group victim status because of the historical oppression of the unchanging-breasted. None will dare call it fashion - it must be trumpeted that the poor young person will suffer terribly (and illegally, under the Civil Rights Act or something) without Swiss Army surgery to correct the young person's mismatch between the breast needs of the moment and the sad, inflexible mammillary reality.
In the Long Ago Time, before Democratic Party Lords of the Flies took over the medical industry, breast reduction was indeed covered by medical insurance. Many women experience back pain and mobility issues from 'very large' breasts. Specifically, breasts the size of those huge silicone p0rn boobs worn by the 2022 biologically male transgendered school teacher. In the Long Ago Time breast enlargement always was elective and cosmetic.
So in the end, this is a story about a genuine medical procedure and a not controversial one. It's just that transgender politics have muddied the waters.
"Hard cases make for bad law." -- Indulging in the sexual identity wishes of mentally unstable people is plainly bad law.
“At least one of these girls is suing. Chloe Cole is suing Kaiser Permanente for all the trans support she got as a teen, including top surgery. Good luck with that! Child and parent sign all sorts of waivers.”
Still, I wouldn’t want to be in Kaiser’s shoes. Did try full disclose that a side effect of the surgery is not just possible, but likely, or even certain (like gender reassignment surgery resulting in sterility). Children signing waivers is pretty pointless - they mostly can’t be held to contracts signed before they are 18.
Most plastic surgeons are ghouls. They've made money for so long by selling bigger breasts, now they realize there's also an income stream by completely cutting them off or maybe just making them Gweneth Paltrow sized.
They only care about how it looks, not sensation a woman might lose. Ghouls.
"There's a lot to be said for smaller breasts!"
“There's a lot to be said for all breasts. All breasts matter.”
Just saw 2 of 3 sisters I have known for better than a half century now. Hope to see the 3rd soon. Haven’t talked to the middle one since she was trying to get me to save her friend, who was unsuccessfully trying to raise a teenaged son as a single mom. Told her that I liked her, and to check back in 4 years, when he was 18. This friend carried her grudge against me for 20 years, but now everything is forgiven. BTW - asked her about this friend, and she apparently turned into an alcoholic (not surprising in a very successful Realtor), and they had drifted apart.
In any case, all three are breast size impaired, as is their mother. Funny thing is that none of them ever seemed bothered by their flattish chests. All are still very feminine (not so much their 101 year old mother). I have never understood the apparent need by so many women for large breasts, esp after their youngest is beyond the nursing stage. Why not just cut them off at that point. I ask my 34DD partner about this, esp given her back issues, and she replies that it would be losing a part of herself. I respond that if I had liposuction, I wouldn’t miss the fat deposits removed, despite them being part of me. Still, if I were a woman, I think that I would prefer smaller tits. Maybe somewhere between A and B cups, so that they can be accentuated or underplayed, as desired right then. Very much I think like talked about here.
"they mostly can’t be held to contracts signed before they are 18."
Of course. That's why the parent involvement. Seems like you'd have to sue your parent too. What a mess. But it's going to be interesting. We'll see how medicine's big CYA holds up.
Maybe it's my age, but the worst thing to me is the destruction of families. If thy toxic parent offends thee, cast them out of your life forever if they opposed transition or supported it, either way.
"The brain is not fully developed until age 27. It's science."
Next up, brain reduction surgery!
At least one of these girls is suing. Chloe Cole is suing Kaiser Permanente for all the trans support she got as a teen, including top surgery. Good luck with that! Child and parent sign all sorts of waivers.
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Ugh! I think people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, short of infringing on the rights of others. But the caveat is this: if you make a CHOICE within the context of all the freedom you have to do so, and you change your mind later...
OWN your regret and don't blame anybody else for your choice. I know this is expecting too much of our species, of course.
Good grief. Tits/no tits/some tits. Penis/vagina/both/neither. Your new penis can be reconstructed from your forearm (American average) or your thigh (swingin’ to your knees). Medically approved mutilation for extremity amputations, surgical blindness and similar will be advocated by the claque afflicted with body dysmorphic disorder. Health insurance companies are marshalling their arguments. By current metrics they’re gonna lose this one too.
OWN your regret and don't blame anybody else for your choice.
That would assume informed consent. Misrepresentation of sex (i.e. genetic) and gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes) is fraud. Feeding on confused states that are common in underage boys and girls is wicked. There is a reason why choice is legally contentious in that age cohort, and why civilized society generally discourages Choice to mitigate forward-looking individual, societal, and human sacrifice.
"The brain is not fully developed until age 27. It's science."
Next up, brain reduction surgery!
A process of divergence through surgical, medical, or psychiatric corruption to reach a state of political congruence ("=") with social progress.
How about they just cut off one. Then you can present a 2/ profile, looking over your shoulder and be whichever gender you wish by changing the direction you face.
/sarc
So the kids undergo pretty serious surgery to be neither fish nor fowl....
One would think if you were CONVINCED you are misgendered you go all the way. If you are unsure.... don't get surgery. That's a bunch different than breast reduction surgury for heath reasons.
Vive la difference was our motto. Post Christianity is moving life expectancy back to late thirties. That is gonna bankrupt the life insurance business. But maybe that is for the best. By chemical and surgical suiciding of the educated young people’s fertility they are going to need to die by 40. No children means no generation of families to care for them.
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