Writes Jonathan Turley, in "Oberlin’s Revenge Mania: College Finally Runs Out of Appeals in Campaign Against Family-Owned Bakery."
August 31, 2022
"[O]ver $40 million somehow became little more than the price of vanity of a college to refuse to admit its original error and to apologize for its conduct."
"It was a complete failure of leadership by the president, the board, and the college. No one seemed willing to take the responsibility to say 'enough' and stop the burning of added costs year after year. So the college continued to gush money as it racked up losses in court.
They have frittered away the assets and reputation of a school with a wonderful history and stellar academic reputation ... all to pursue a small grocery like Captain Ahab and his whale. Indeed, the final filing should just quote Melville to capture the blind rage needed to sustain this ill-conceived effort: 'From hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.'"
Writes Jonathan Turley, in "Oberlin’s Revenge Mania: College Finally Runs Out of Appeals in Campaign Against Family-Owned Bakery."
Writes Jonathan Turley, in "Oberlin’s Revenge Mania: College Finally Runs Out of Appeals in Campaign Against Family-Owned Bakery."
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"[O]ver $40 million somehow became little more than the price of vanity of a college to refuse to admit its original error and to apologize for its conduct."
I get what he's saying, but no: it's the price of prog faith. Oberlin refused to admit error because they did not think they had done anything wrong. They had nothing to apologize for. They stood up for racial justice against a bunch of deplorable racist hicks.
"They have frittered away the assets and reputation of a school with a wonderful history and stellar academic reputation"
Slightly overstated. Oberlin had already become a woke joke. But they thought the fight would enhance their reputation among the prog faithful, i.e., all of higher ed.
" ... all to pursue a small grocery like Captain Ahab and his whale"
Progs never run out of whales.
Oberlin has about $1 billion in endowments. $40 million is chump change.
I lived on Gibson's glazed donuts in the early 60s. Oberlin went crazy sometime later. Michelle Malkin graduated there in the 90s; Thylias Moss still wrote unwoke poetry.
I put it down to trustees elected by recent graduates, which makes it go more and more left in successive years.
It is interesting to note that the Leftists who have taken over almost all the major institutions of our culture are completely indifferent to the welfare or even the survival of those institutions. Hopefully, this will be the end of Oberlin.
I predict they still refuse to pay up.
The whale was white. That’s all Oberlin cared about.
Exactly. What's other people's money when your self imagined reputation is on the line.
Vanity, spite and reputation are the currency of academics. Dollars (other than their own grants and salaries) not so much. This was the case four decades ago when I left academia. Now that dissenting opinion has been purged, we see how much more toxic it is today when this same petty visciousness is carried over into the real world by their indoctrinated graduates.
I'm guessing no insurance since would think an insurer would have put a stop to all this.
4-3 vote at Ohio Suoreme Court gives me pause.
Yancy Ward: judgment debtors with easily reached assets tend to pay up.
There is a good chance that Oberlin will file an appeal with the Supreme Court. Why? Because they are vindictive and they and their fellow travelers believe they are entitled to immunity for what they view as their enlightened conduct. Besides, the owners of Gibson's are peasants who don't know enough to accept their lowly station in life.
Turley clearly describes why higher education is a bubble about to pop. Even when admins are wrong and know they are wrong they use the institution to fight for lost causes. That coupled with bloated admin ranks, underpaid teachers/grad students who do the bulk of actual work, and deans of equity loosed upon the land to eat out its sustenance and cause despair among the students and faculty. Well it all adds up to market correction coming soon. At the rate they are bleeding enrollment numbers, it won't be long until the big bill comes due, just like at Oberlin. Every college is miserable in its own way.
Oh yeah, and now their graduates will get a partial refund from Uncle Joe Stalbiden.
Refusing to pay is not an option. Oberlin had to post a bond to stay enforcement of the judgment pending appeal. The bonding company will pay and go after Oberlin if Oberlin doesn't pony up. Oberlin could delay the inevitable by filing an appeal with the Supreme Court, but I can't imagine the current Supreme Court would vote to hear the appeal -- unless they wanted to revisit New York Times v. Sullivan. My guess is that the MSM will quietly tell Oberlin that this case has already caused enough damage and it is time to move on.
Not profound I realize: liberal pricks!
Nobody at Oberlin will lose their job. Oberlin wont really pay a cent.
This is just 40 million dollars of student loan debt that taxpayers will have to cover.
Oberlin College: A second or third tier college that attracts insecure people who couldn't get into Ivy League or brand name colleges. Insecurity was presented as wokeness and retribution, but everyone there is acting like failures. Students, professors, administrators.
"I'm not gonna let those stupid bakers take my money. I'm smarter than those people."
Several interesting discussions about Oberlin next steps in the comments the Legal Insurrection post on the OHSC decision.
My understanding is that at some point in the appeal process Oberlin had to post a bond for the settlement. Some folks suggested they will appeal to Federal Courts and maybe even to the USSC though the consensus seems to be that would only delay the inevitable for a little while (but keeps with Oberlin's foot-dragging through the whole process) since they would be unlikely to get a stay or be granted cert due to lack of Federal or Constitutional issues in the case. I do see that some folks are now saying that Oberlin could choose to file Chapter 11 bankruptcy which would probably delay the payment even if it ultimately didn't discharge the settlement.
'Indeed, the final filing should just quote Melville to capture the blind rage needed to sustain this ill-conceived effort: 'From hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.'"'
Turley is illiterate...this quote is from 'Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan.'
Montalban was awesome.
Turley needs to get out more...
That history, that reputation? Tossed on the trash heap of history by the present-day student body, academic staff, and administration. Oberlin is an expensive joke school now.
The system works.
Whenever I see situations like this and to a much greater extent the stupid banning decisions made by companies like Twitter, I often wonder about the boards. What is it like to sit on a board at an institution and see self destructive decisions made almost on a daily basis by the same people day after day and year after year?
Isn't the exact function of a board to provide oversight to executive decisions? I've never been on a business board but have been on non-profit boards, some with multi million dollar budgets, and if this crap happened serious questions would have been asked and either heads would role or there would be mass resignations from the board.
is this another example of "Where is the adult in the room?"
I'm guessing all along (and they may still be right) they were betting they'd never have to pay it. FWIW, I'd be surprised if any money ever changes hands.
This isn't new. There was a case at the University of Florida when I was there in the late 80's. The person suing had a clear cut case, but the university's lawyers dragged it out for years with hopeless appeals, wracking up legal fees several times the size of the judgment.
When it was finally over, the local paper criticized them for resisting so obstinately. Their response was that it is school policy to pursue all possible appeals regardless of the merits of the case.
Used to be a good college, but all things change. Colleges change slowly and lose reputation even slower. But all those who chime in with "Oberlin was a great college back in the '60s" are dying off. Takes about 40 years to retire out the old professors and let the "Woke" ones run the college. Oberlin is 20 years past that point.
"It is interesting to note that the Leftists who have taken over almost all the major institutions of our culture are completely indifferent to the welfare or even the survival of those institutions."
You just described the "Spirit of Vatican II".
Yah I don't know Oberlin's economics but the damage is likely no more than a parking ticket for them. I'm sure some chunk of the Federal government's reckless spending bills will slosh their way, one way or another...
I suspect the arrogant administration believed their partners in government would support their efforts and the school would eventually prevail. Given a 4-3 decision ended them, they really weren't wrong.
Have been following this for some time and have read Oberlin's appeal briefs. One tack Oberlin has taken is that the Gibson Bakery was a public figure and therefore, under Time v. Sullivan, the bakery needed to prove actula malice, yet the jury was instructed that they could find Oberlin liable on the basis of negligence, a far lower legal standard. Oberlin can file a cert petition with the US Supreme Court on the basis that its First Amendment rights, as construed in Time v. Sullivan, were violated. Two justices (Thomas and one other) have written in dissents or concurrences that they think Times v. Sullivan was wrongly decided. In addition, the Court of Appeals judge for whom Amy Coney Barrett clerked has written a lengthy dissent critical of Time v. Sullivan. So it is possible that four of the 9 judges would vote to grant cert and then use the Oberlin case to overrule or limit Times v. Sullivan. The case would be a perfect vehicle for doing so, as you have a rich powerful college taking the position that the First Amendment means it can falsely state that a small business has a history of racial profiling and face no consequences whatsoever.
the thing about being a leftist is that being correct is never the standard against which you are measured. How could it be given their track record? Having leftwing intentions are the measuring stick, which is why they're never wrong even when all of reality says they are.
I live near Oberlin, and have stopped at Gibson's a number of times while on or around campus. Gibson's didn't ask for any of this, but they weren't about to accept being labeled as racists. Oberlin couldn't pass up a chance to stand up against racists, but since there weren't any, they took the closest thing they could find. It's a shame that no one at Oberlin ever acted like a responsible adult.
Did any executives get fired for this expensive campaign? I wish the settlement could have bankrupted Oberlin. They are not contributing anything positive to society at this point. They are generating racist malcontents.
And I resent paying off loans for them.
What is puzzling about that incident is that it doesn't sound real. Either Richardson heard wrong or made it up. It simply isn't plausible that nobody with a phone shot video of repeated racist shouts.
Comedian Bill Burr touches on this when talking about racist tropes on movies.
Bill Burr on racism
Legal Insurrection has done a terrific job on this story, which has been ignored by the corporate media.
This article made me so totally unexpectedly happy.
Of course they will appeal to the US SCOTUS. That's the whole point, to refuse to pay up. No one at Olberlin will be punished for this. For all we know, their left-wing Alumni are happy over not paying those Goddamn "little people" for over 3 years.
And if Olberlin has a $1,000 million endowment, how are they going to go into Bankruptcy? Further, Joe Biden can just call Schumer or nancy, and poof they'll be a $37 million "earmarked" for Olberlin College to cover the cost.
My problem with Turley, is he can't see ideology. Its like a athiest writing about religion. They just don't get it. He's like, "well they learned their lesson now, $37 million wasted" and the lefties at Olberlin just consider it a small back step in the endless fight to push Leftist values.
Oberlin used to (50s) admit one in ten applying and one in three didn't academically survive the freshman year. It also has a partly separate Conservatory of music that was world class (you could cross-take courses for credit). Stravinsky conducted there in 1963. They seem to have gone the African music route now.
The the supreme soviet of american leftism always leaves out of thi documenyss story t out of this story the fact that not only did Oberlin refuse to control it's violent rioting mob of students, but in fact incited them. Oberlin should count its blessings that they are only being sued and not criminally prosecuted as they should be.
"I figured as much... Hey, Moose! Rocko! Help Oberlin find their checkbook!"
Couple of points: It's been said the bulk of Oberlin's endowment is restricted. Only a small portion is loose cash. So the money paid out came from that, restricting the flexibility of further expenditures until it's rebuilt which might be soon, or not for some time.
It's in a bond held by, iirc, Zurich American, which will pay as ordered and any extra needed will be sought by them from Oberlin. Speaking of fines for delays or some such.
The settlement amount is about a third of the annual tuition, so not small.
Part of the atmosphere:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/student-journalist-shoplifting-at-gibsons-bakery-was-part-of-oberlin-colleges-culture-of-theft/
Likely part of the student enthusiasm for punishing he bakery.
Couple of points: It's been said the bulk of Oberlin's endowment is restricted. Only a small portion is loose cash. So the money paid out came from that, restricting the flexibility of further expenditures until it's rebuilt which might be soon, or not for some time.
It's in a bond held by, iirc, Zurich American, which will pay as ordered and any extra needed will be sought by them from Oberlin. Speaking of fines for delays or some such.
The settlement amount is about a third of the annual tuition, so not small.
Part of the atmosphere:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/student-journalist-shoplifting-at-gibsons-bakery-was-part-of-oberlin-colleges-culture-of-theft/
Likely part of the student enthusiasm for punishing he bakery.
“ Of course they will appeal to the US SCOTUS.”
On what ground and with what hope of winning? Or are you just saying they can tack on one more delay? Interest accrues.
Progs never run out of whales.
Transgenderism being the newest one they have discovered.
Oberlin's endowment is well over a billion dollars. They can pay this judgement, set a billion dollars on fire, and have money left over for sandwiches. Or they could pursue similar actions against another twenty-six and a half local businesses.
For those cheering the victory, this is chump change. Oberlin will change nothing, because they don't have to. They're billionaires.
Re: the appeal to US SCOTUS, Ann Althouse asks "on what ground and with what hopes of winning."
The ground is that the jury was instructed that it could find Oberlin liable based on negligence. Oberlin will argue that the jury should have been instructed that absent a finding of actual malice, it needed to return a verdict in favor of Oberlin. This implicates the First Amendment, so the Supreme Court could take the case.
As for hopes of winning, before this Supreme Court, Oberlin would have little hope of winning. Not sure that would be the deciding factor, however. By not going to the S.Ct., Oberlin might be seens as conceding that the Bakery was right. To date, Oberlin has not been willing t concede an inch. Indeed, when the jury first returned a verdict for the bakery, there was a brief break in the trial, with the plan that the jury would then come back to decide whether Oberlin's conduct was so outrageous as to justify punitve damages. During that break, Oberlin releaed a statement to the effect that they were disappointed that the jury did not understand the evidence that had been presented. The judge precluded the bakery from putting that statement before the jury during the punitive damage phase, but the bakery lawyers were able to aks Oberlin administrators some questions that likely suggested to the jury that such a statement had been made. The point being that Oberlin is pretty convinced of its own righteousness, and given that mindset,, might go full speed ahead to the S.Ct.
I see continued increases in Oberlin's tuition for at least the next 10 years. Even if parents start looking elsewhere to waste their money.
Curious George, technically they could pay out of the endowment, but the reality is the endowment is a creature unto itself, to not be touched by the unclean professors and administrators, much less the peasants who pay tuition. Many colleges and universities are more investment funds than institutions of higher learning these days. I have read the testimony of witnesses who tried to get money from the endowment for all sorts of things, and the endowment is not interested in the concerns of the puny mortals.
Is anyone here an alumnus of Oberlin? I wonder how this is being framed for those who attended way back when this place tried to teach young people how to think, rather than what to think. Who would want to send a promising teenager to such a nihilistic and bigoted school?
Know a current student. Apart from pandemic, sounds like same educational experience as my generation.
Ann Althouse said...
On what ground and with what hope of winning?
Not a lawyer, so I do not know if this would mean anything; but I have heard that the bakery is in rocky financial shape since they are no longer supplying baked goods to the college, Oberlin students are shunning the place and telling incoming freshmen to stay away, and their business suffered during the lockdown. On top of that; the father and son who were the principal owners of the company have both died since the original trial. I'm guessing they're hoping the place will go out of business and they will be able to argue that they don't owe anyone anything.
The Gibson family is smart enough to know that they should't count on anything until the check clears, and maybe not even then.
Has anyone, anyone in charge at Oberlin been relieved of their duties, pay, benefits or pension due to this disaster? It appears not.
I'm guessing they're hoping the place will go out of business and they will be able to argue that they don't owe anyone anything.
I'm not a lawyer either, but I don't think that is how this sort of thing works. But if it did work that way, the family could just sell bonds based on the fact that they could be getting 30 - 40 million dollars and use the bond revenue to finance keeping the store open. Or do an IPO. Hell, the could just do an online please fund me campaign.
If they have a 1/100 chance, why not take it? They've already sunk $36 million. But yes, tack on more delay just to spite the Gibson's. What after all, has all this been about for the last 3 years?
Even if it takes a extra six months, at 6 percent interest per year, that's 3 percent of 36 million. About an extra 1 $million. Compared to their $1,000 million endowment.
From Oberlin College Investment Office ...
Assets Under Management
Total endowed funds as of June 30, 2020 were $937.0 million, as compared to $925.0 million the previous year, an increase of $12.0 million. In comparison, total endowed funds increased by $37.6 million in the fiscal year ended June 30, 2019, from $887.4 million at June 30, 2018.
Like most private liberal arts schools, the endowment is the financial cornerstone of the College. Nearly all of Oberlin’s 1,700 endowed funds are invested within the General Investment Pool.
Investment Assets
Appeal to waste time and hope the deli goes bankrupt. This was never rational, in a business sense. It's not about money.
4. Did the Oberlin College administration fail to act as the adult in the room and instead succumb to the threat of students throwing nursery-school like temper tantrums in the school dining halls?
Chief of Staff Protzman, in response to questions by Gibsons’ Attorney Lee Plakas, testified that one of the reasons orders were canceled with Gibson’s Bakery was because the college was afraid that students would throw the food on the floor and stomp on it:
FAQ
My doctoral advisor was an Oberlin grad in the mid-60's. He was considered moderate because he identified as a liberal. However, he was squeamish (his words) about capitalism.
The same person was part of the Chicago academic community (with Dohrn and Ayers) in promoting a failed local politician named Barack Obama.
He was actually a very nice guy, tolerant of other points of view, but absolutely certain in the morality of his political views. He adored Oberlin and what he learned there.
OMG. They are still perusing that.
It's cult like behavior... isn't it?
ussmidway,
My great-grandfather taught at Oberlin and my grandmother and mother attended it. The first American born Nobel winner in Physics (Millikan) was educated there. Oberlin is the last Ohio school to beat The Ohio State in football. Great history.
Also the first co-ed college (perhaps) and the first "white"college to admit Blacks. Founded by progressives of the day. Hope springs eternal. Maybe they apologize and renew Gibson's contract. Until some student sets up another pseudo hate crime.
North of the 101.
This judgment will be collected. The heirs of the owners will get the money; net of attorney's fees.
Super easy to collect this judgment. An appeal bond was certainly posted. Oberlin will pay or its bonding company will.
As Ann knows, SCOTUS will never accept this case on appeal. No federal issue.
Retail lawyer.
I think some dean or assistant dean who was instrumental in organizing the protest and boycott moved to another college after the trial and her testimony was secured.
Every single trustee at Oberlin is an alum. Of course, nearly all of them are rich. A number of lawyers and one University of GA law professor.
A complete failure of judgment by liberals. No surprise there.
At most college websites, the President is prominently featured. Not at Oberlin.
It does look to me as if the in-house lawyer at Oberlin when this happened is no longer there.
A proud Oberlin tradition: Drag Ball. Nothing like this at Creighton. That I can tell you.
"Activists within Oberlin’s Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Questioning (LGBTQ) communities began Drag Ball to celebrate non-normative gender presentation and the art of drag. Initially, the celebration was the final event of Oberlin’s first Transgender Awareness Week in the late 1980s, but has since become its own entity.
Drag Ball transforms the Student Union into a massive gender-bending nightclub, complete with three dance floors, a main stage runway competition, and professional performers and DJs celebrating the many possibilities of their gender presentation. The college-sponsored, student-organized event requires year-round preparation. Attendees and participants actively and playfully resist gender norms, which speaks directly to the legacy of activism at Oberlin."
The President of Oberlin is a Black female lawyer who earned a JD at Columbia. A lawyer! Who worked in for NYC. She was hired shortly after the incident at Gibson's. She should be fired. It never should have come to this.
My oldest daughter is an alum of Carleton College in Northfield, MN. It has an endowment of $1.2 billion. Creighton's is only $295 million.
Here's the latest hire at Carleton College.
Carleton College has announced Marcy Averill as its inaugural Indigenous communities liaison. Part of the Center for Community and Civic Engagement (CCCE), the Indigenous communities liaison will strengthen the college’s ability to enact its land acknowledgement commitments, partner with tribal governments and Native organizations, and promote the well-being of Native members of the campus community. Such efforts will include, among others, building better relations with Native nations and improving how Carleton engages Native people and Native-related issues on campus.
Ann Althouse said...
“ Of course they will appeal to the US SCOTUS.”
On what ground and with what hope of winning? Or are you just saying they can tack on one more delay? Interest accrues.
If they were worried about interest accruing, they never would have appealed in the 1st place, because their case was utter trash.
Heck, they had to lie about what happened in the case (they claimed they were being held responsible for student speech, when they were being held responsible for the actions of University officials) in their appeal. But they pushed the appeal, because they wanted to drag things out.
Will they apply to SCOTUS? Yes
Will SCOTUS take their appeal? No
Yancey Ward said...
I predict they still refuse to pay up.
They had to file an Appeals bond. Gibson is going to get paid.
All Oberlin can do is try to fight with the company that provided the Bond. That will not go well for Oberlin
Goldenpause said...
Oberlin could delay the inevitable by filing an appeal with the Supreme Court
Well, no, Oberlin can TRY to delay the inevitable. They failed to file a stay of the payment of the judgement in a timely manner after the appeals court ruled against them. If the courts run correctly, they will be forced to pay up even if they do file an appear with SCOTUS
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/05/oberlin-college-appeals-to-ohio-supreme-court-in-gibsons-bakery-case/
Of all the documents I’ve seen in this case, Oberlin College’s Memorandum In Support of Jurisdiction may be the most tendentious, bordering on mendacious.
The Statement of the Case section (at p. 5), asserts facts outside the trial record, particularly what appear to be characterizations of private Facebook records of the store clerk that were the subject of separate litigation, what are called in the Memorandum “incidents in the summary judgment record.” What the papers do not tell the Supreme Court is that those records were not offered at trial and do not form any part of the trial record. This is grossly improper, you can’t expand the record on appeal, particularly not at this level of appeal, and if you are going to do that, tell the court what you are doing.
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The trial court as affirmed by the appeals court, found the Gibsons were private parties. That matters a great deal to the standard of proof for defamation, and particularly the issue of actual malice. The facts outside the trial record brought up by Oberlin College go directly to the standard by which the Supreme Court will decide whether to take the case, without telling the court that the facts and records, while part of the summary judgment record, were not even offered at trial. This outside-the-trial record evidence in the filing in and of itself should be ground for the Ohio Supreme Court not to take the case.
At first read the legal arguments also are more of the same mischaracterizations Oberlin College has been making since the start of the case, including that it was held liable for the opinions of students and this is a First Amendment case about campus speech. The appeals court dispatched with that argument as follows, in part:
{¶3} This Court recognizes that this case has garnered significant local and national media attention. The primary focus of the media coverage, and the several amicus briefs filed in this case, has been on an individual’s First Amendment right to protest and voice opinions in opposition to events occurring around them locally, nationally, and globally. This Court must emphasize, however, that the sole focus of this appeal is on the separate conduct of Oberlin and Raimondo that allegedly caused damage to the Gibsons, not on the First Amendment rights of individuals to voice opinions or protest
There's lots more there. but to sum up: . Oberlin has never approached this case in an honest manner. So there's no reason to believe they'll start now
As our hostess said the Supreme Court won't take this case. That said, would it be possible for the Gibson's to sue Oberlin again for malicious prosecution for filing frivolous litigation if they try going the federal route just to delay the inevitable?
As our hostess said the Supreme Court won't take this case. That said, would it be possible for the Gibson's to sue Oberlin again for malicious prosecution for filing frivolous litigation if they try going the federal route just to delay the inevitable?
Dave Begley said...
The President of Oberlin is a Black female lawyer who earned a JD at Columbia. A lawyer! Who worked in for NYC. She was hired shortly after the incident at Gibson's. She should be fired. It never should have come to this.
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My alma mater, GWU law school, is circling the bowl for the same reason. Its dean is a woke black female who is out to get Clarence Thomas black-balled as a lecturer.
GW keeps asking me to leave them money in my will.
The fuck I will.
Enigma said...
Oberlin College: A second or third tier college that attracts insecure people who couldn't get into Ivy League or brand name colleges. Insecurity was presented as wokeness and retribution, but everyone there is acting like failures. Students, professors, administrators.
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It hasn't been true for about 30 years that the "best and brightest" go to the Ivies.
As for those who attended Oberlin being "insecure"....you're quite a mind-reader, and in any case:
WHY THE SNOT??
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...
Ann Althouse said...
On what ground and with what hope of winning?
. I'm guessing they're hoping the place will go out of business and they will be able to argue that they don't owe anyone anything.
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If I die, and I owe you a million dollars, my estate still owes you a million dollars.
The legal entity that sued Oberlin survives its owners' deaths or bankruptcy.
Readering: "Know a current student. Apart from pandemic, sounds like same educational experience as my generation."'
So you guys didn't know what a woman was either?
Melville? A book no idiot from that pathetic excuse for a liberal arts college will ever read.
I had a friend who went there after flunking out of New College of Florida, for Christ's sake. Which is practically impossible.
He finally grew up and got a computing degree from a no-nonsense state school. But those other schools should be salted to the earth, including my alma mater.
Joe Smith said...
'Indeed, the final filing should just quote Melville to capture the blind rage needed to sustain this ill-conceived effort: 'From hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.'"'
Turley is illiterate...this quote is from 'Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan.'
The quote is from Moby Dick. The illiterate is the person who doesn't know that the movie was referencing Moby Dick.
From the comments over there:
Chieftain says: August 31, 2022 at 7:35 PM
Lena Dunham U.
Anonymous says: August 31, 2022 at 8:01 PM
Exactly. She is a metaphor to what happened
'The quote is from Moby Dick. The illiterate is the person who doesn't know that the movie was referencing Moby Dick.'
Joke
Your head...
“The quote is from Moby Dick. The illiterate is the person who doesn't know that the movie was referencing Moby Dick.”
It was quite obviously a joke. And now it’s given me the pleasure of two laughs for two very different reasons. Fake buffoonery often flushes out real buffoons.
the quote is from Moby Dick. The illiterate is the person who doesn't know that the movie was referencing Moby Dick.
I think the author was attempting humor.
Joe Smith said..."Turley is illiterate...this quote is from 'Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan.'"
Joe, your knowledge of Hollywood sequels is impressive. Your knowledge of American Literature, not so much.
As for Oberlin's administrators, Board of Trustees, faculty, and the even the students who initially created and incited this purulent mess, please study this episode to learn a valuable, pithy, real-life lesson: Get woke, go broke.
IMHO, couldn't happen to a more deserving "hive of scum and villainy." (This last phrase is for you, Joe, even if it's not from the same Sci-Fi universe...)
Oberlin, Ohio is a strangely located college town with no college sports teams rubbing shoulders with the union-laden industries snuggled against Lake Erie in Metro Lorain just a few miles drive north up OH 58. This remains true despite Lorain's loss of giant employers like Ford's huge assembly plant and the U.S Steel mills near downtown.
Like the disintegrating mills to the north, Oberlin College's buildings remain relatively unchanged since I lived in Lorain County in the late '70s. For that matter, Gibson's hasn't changed its look much either. But Oberlin alumni pump great sums into the college to keep it alive.
They're much smarter than the rest of us, you know.
Bill Buckley must be laughing his @$$ off now.
Diversity [dogma] breeds adversity for-profit.
Oberlin learns a lesson in dabbling in diversity [dogma].
'Joe, your knowledge of Hollywood sequels is impressive. Your knowledge of American Literature, not so much.'
I read it in elementary school, after reading everything Asimov, Bradbury, Heinlein, and Clarke, et al had written : )
Refer to my comment at 8:01.
'I think the author was attempting humor.'
Attempting? I fucking nailed it : )
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