1. Goodbye to Estelle Harris — George Costanza's mom. Some excellent clips.
2. An aging woman in her LSD shirt.
3. A comic interpretation of how they fire you in L.A. versus how they fire you in NYC.
4. The woman who has overheard how men talk about woman.
5. "Are we supposed to know what we're doing? No?! Great! Just checking."
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Equal and complementary. Pass it on.
This is probably in the wrong thread, but I don't care. I always had the impression Estelle Harris had many friends in real life, but, that being said, it is sad that her entire corpus of work as an actress was reduced, by the powers of Hollywood and TV, to being a horrible caricature on a show run by people who liked to make horrible caricatures out of people.
Seinfeld was funny but this world would be a better place if he was just some middle class dude, without the cold fame he earned, instead of a guy who inflicted that cold humor on the TV watchers of the country year after year.
Interesting. I have played thousands of rounds of golf. I have never - not once, ever - heard a fellow golfer talk to or in front of the bevgal about wives, girlfriends, female acquaintances. Occasionally a man will try to hit on the bevgal, but everyone knows it ain't gonna work. They've heard it all before, they know how to handle it, laugh, smile, outta there. Either made-up or from a different planet than the one on which I play golf.
Men don't talk about women. She's delusional.
2. An aging woman in her LSD shirt.
I'm Pretty sure i knew her in Ames. She went to Dugan's before it closed..
Now she just sits in a stool at Thumbs
Has that woman heard the way some women talk about men when they're not around?
That woman who thinks she knows how men talk about women is quite a piece of work.
4. The woman who has overheard how men talk about woman.
Okay, SERIOUS Question.. Has This woman EVER overheard how women talk about men??
i mean, SERIOUSLY.. Like, EVER???
I mean, golfers that play at courses with 18 year-old drink cart girls... I'm not sure what else you'd expect their behavior to be.
Also, I'm not sure how nice you'd expect their wives to be...
Is today's theme.....the threnody of women??
“Men don't talk about women….”
A joke from the man who never stops talking about women.
rhhardin must golf daily…
"“Men don't talk about women….” A joke from the man who never stops talking about women."
A joke? Hardin?
It's mostly true, though: beyond reporting on the well-being of female relatives when asked, in many thousands of conversations, I don't recall any men "talking about women," not during games, not in locker rooms, not when drinking, not at work, not after work, not at parties. Never played golf, so maybe that's different. But it's like blacks thinking (not sure if they actually do!) that whites must be saying terrible things about them, when the dirty secret is that in whitey white conversation it just doesn't come up, again with the exception of reporting on actual relatives or close friends. Which I don't say as a point of pride or male chauvinism: I think it would be better for men to have real conversations about women.
Set and setting, definitely. But I haven't been on a golf course in about 50 years and didn't know 'bevgirls' existed, so I'll just take her word for it. Why not?
And like others, I doubt that girltalk about hubbies is any more elevated in the main.
That's the only one I watched.
I worked in a jewelry store years ago, and every week or so the Advertising Manager for the town newspaper, a very dapper guy in his 50's, would come in to collect new ad slugs for placement in the paper.
And every week, one of the women in the store would call out:
"Ed! Good to see you! How's the wife?"
The reply, after a pause:
"Oh...better than nothing, I guess."
To much laughter.
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This poor harpy would have a stroke if she ever heard Rodney Dangerfield. Or Henny Youngman. ("Take my wife...please".)
Does she really think guys want to spend an afternoon of golf bitching and complaining about their wives?
I worked under nursing and then social work for 40+ years. The culture and power were largely female dominated. There were exceptions. Those women did not approach what this TikTok woman is describing about men's comments. There were some nice comments about the men they loved. But it was generally pretty ugly, and within the hospital I knew of no departments where there was an equivalent permission for men to speak badly about women. You might be reprimanded, and then fired if repeated.
Is there a difference when it is a social rather than work situation, and are men enacting some ritual of resentment that they may not fully feel for each other's benefit? Maybe. I have also spent those 40+ years going to evangelical churches, and have heard now comments like those she describes, though I have heard some I would call sexist.
I am not sure she has interpreted her data correctly.
As an avid golfer who spends a great deal of time on the links, I can honestly say that the bevgirl who reported about how men speak about women is full of shit. Not once, not ever, have I heard guys disparage their wives in front of the guys in the way she claims. If they did they would be thought of as assholes and someone to be avoided at all costs. The tell was when she added the comment about them being "particularly straight men", (do the gay ones have wives?). Have an ax to grind do we? I also question the comment about the guys having conversations as if she wasn't there...If she was 19 and as pretty as she is no man didn't know she was there and converse accordingly.
I think some men are afraid of seeming excessively attached to their wives — uxorious — and, displaying *additional* weakness, participate in group denial of this fear.
A better approach is to participate in sports, and these golfers are trying to do that, but then it's a drinking activity, and the tongue is loosened.
I have a feeling that bevgal is just projecting about what she thinks men are saying about her when she’s not around.
She’s probably right.
Ok- I’m shaken by the made up broads at the table.
I don’t even yell at my cows like that.
I have played thousands of rounds of golf in the last 30 years, mainly at private clubs (where presumably the worst of the worst hang out) but also at conventions with many guys away from home for a week or so, and never, ever, have I heard the kind of remarks that the bevgirl allegedly overheard. Men basically don't talk about anything but the current shot, the last shot and whether the next shot is likely to work out, and even limited to these topics, not much chit chat at all. Sometimes other sports are mentioned, but not a lot. Men playing golf are basically all-in on focusing on their game while on the course, and even after the round, which is the only time most of the golfers I know might have a beer, there is basically no discussion of wives or girlfriends at all, unless a wife or girlfriend is ill or injured, in which case guys are interested in how she's doing. My wife is consistently disappointed that I don't ever return from the course with any gossip at all, because there isn't any. I don't pretend to know what women say about men when men aren't around, and I DON'T CARE. Fine with me if they bitch to their girlfriends about their boyfriends and husbands, and fine with me if they embellish all of their faults. I think "bevgirl" is full of it, and is just choosing to deliver a new form of feminist lecture. Women who don't play golf and whose man doesn't play golf, and I assume this includes our hostess, assume things like Althouse does, when she talks about golf as an excuse to drink; there are certainly a few people like that, but the vast majority don't drink on the course because golf is hard enough sober. This is another area where women's uninformed feelings trump the facts.
The only topic that excited comment was Bevgirl's Complaint. It was the only one I watched, too. Am I an outlier?
I'll speak for all the other great indoorsmen to say that talk about wives and/or girlfriends is minimal in our gatherings, and generally polite.
Now, at titty bars . . .
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