March 28, 2022

"The Kibbe system relies on Old Hollywood archetypes and a balance between what he calls 'yin' (softness, curve) and 'yang' (sharp angles, edges)."

"If you’re all yang — tall and lean with sharp shoulders, like Katharine Hepburn — you could be a dramatic. If you’re all yin, with soft curves like Marilyn Monroe, you’re probably a romantic. Naturals (yang-dominant but 'blunt' rather than sharp, often with broad shoulders, like a ’90s supermodel), classics (think Grace Kelly) and gamines (petite and high-contrast) are somewhere in the middle. The types are modified using adjectives like 'soft' (Sophia Loren is a soft dramatic, for instance) or 'flamboyant' (Audrey Hepburn, a flamboyant gamine). For each one, there is a set of guidelines on how to dress to look one’s best.... The Kibbe system, like the Myers-Briggs test, also has a social component: Finding out that a celebrity shares your type may help you 'feel a connection to another person, a very glamorous and visible and beautiful kind of person,' Professor Emre said.... One entry from Mr. Kibbe’s 1987 book states that romantics, defined by a curvy figure, 'possess extraordinary human empathy' and that logic is secondary to their 'innate experience of a situation.' Gamines might have a 'bubbly energy,' Mr. Kibbe said, and a soft dramatic, with her blend of yang and yin, is both 'bold' and 'receptively accommodating' according to his book. 'The key is the integration of the inner and outer,' Mr. Kibbe said. Some may take issue with the essentialism of such logic. While Mr. Kibbe sees it as analogous to astrology, the system nonetheless suggests that something true and inherent about a person can be gleaned from their bone structure."

From "What’s Your Kibbe Type? David Kibbe, an image consultant who got his start in the 1980s, has watched his body-typing system take off with a new, digitally native audience" (NYT).

Something true and inherent about a person can be gleaned from their bone structure? That's most analogous not to astrology but phrenology.

This craze is out of synch with the current interest in transgenderism. It assumes your mind fits your body.

22 comments:

gilbar said...

what If, you were assigned as natural at birth; but You KNOW, that you are Really a gamine?
Will O'Bama Care pay for your transition; like they do for males assigned as females?
Might be expensive! Good thing that 57% of americans don't pay income tax 'cause we'd hate to be paying for all this

Lurker21 said...

Hollywood is about illusions. Maybe the point isn't to figure out who you really are, but which type you resemble and how to make the most use of it in other people's perceptions. One supposes that Audrey and Marilyn were each not quite who they appeared to be on screen, but both played and cultivated the role that nature may have suggested, and of course, physiognomy (Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello) only provides the base. How a performer builds on that is up to him/her.

tommyesq said...

There probably is something to it - that "something true and inherent about a person can be gleaned from their bone structure." Your bone structure (and other things that shape your physical appearance) will affect the way that others react to you, which in turn will shape your own personality and your way of interacting with others. Further, over time, your outward appearance will be shaped by your personality and way of interacting with the world - think smile lines or frown lines that become a permanent facial feature. I doubt it is the defining thing that determines your personality, but I would not scoff at it having an impact.

Lurker21 said...

Marilyn was physically curvy but emotionally brittle. Other actresses with the same physical type had very different personalities. They could be tougher or crasser or more raucous. Like May West. Audrey Hepburn and Katharine Hepburn may both have been sharp-edged types, but where Kate was hard-edged, Audrey was kittenish and playful (or at least had to play characters like that). Differences in physical appearance have long been a cornerstone of comedy, but lately, instead of a fat guy and a thin guy or a tall guy and a short guy it's a black woman and a white woman. Other variations: neat and sloppy, hip and square, Jewish and gentile.

Lurker21 said...

I see that Kibbe does distinguish between the two Hepburns.

Note to self: read more than just the teaser before commenting.

And use fewer colons.

madAsHell said...

Phrenology.

It gives women something "quantitative" to buttress their claims about the an actresses abilities while reading "People" magazine at the Beauty Parlor.

Is Mr. Kibbe a hairdresser?

Enigma said...

And so this reveals that old pre-woke Hollywood wasn't woke. It was a cold, calculating, and manipulative of emotions. Cue the tear-jerker dying scene. It's called frisson, or goosebumps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson

Not news, but perhaps some were suckers for not knowing this.

Tom T. said...

Sophia Loren is soft, and Audrey Hepburn is flamboyant? This classification system does not seem terribly accurate.

Achilles said...

There is a lot of good research going on about body composition and personality type.

This of course is not it.

This looks just like typical NYT's drool.

rehajm said...

Sophia Loren is soft, and Audrey Hepburn is flamboyant? This classification system does not seem terribly accurate.

That’s what I was thinking, though I do recall something about the old timers vs newer actors where the elders all had strong angular features because their faces wouldn’t wash out in black & white. With the evolution of color and high def actors with softer features are more preferred. I never saw her in person but perhaps Audrey did fit the category?

tim maguire said...

There's a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. A person's looks will encourage certain reactions from others. Those reactions will encourage certain responses from the person, making certain personality traits more or less common for certain body types. Ergo, certain looks indicate certain personality traits.

gilbar said...

i Am curious how they would describe Ann Marget?
i (of course) Know her correct description: Dreamboat

n.n said...

Out of sync, mind and body. They offer surgical, medical, psychiatric, or political therapies to treat deplorable deniers. Mengele, we will, unfortunately, never forget you. One step forward, two steps backward.

Ted said...

This exact contrast is illustrated on the just-released season of Netflix's Regency-era romance drama, "Bridgerton." A Viscount gets engaged to sweet, pretty, eligible young lady from India, because he believes she'll make a proper wife. But then he starts falling for her stern, protective older sister (who's considered a spinster at 26), because she challenges him. (The elder sister is named "Kate," a clear reference both to Katharine Hepburn and "Taming of the Shrew.") The actresses are both stunning -- but the younger sister is an obvious yin (soft, curvy and usually smiling), while the older sister is an obvious yang (tall, lean, athletic, and regal-looking).

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Part of being post-modern is a certain freedom from evidence. How else can you be truly free? How can your will be free? P.T. Barnum deserves to be remembered as a sober and cautious entrepreneur, who kept his deceptions of the public within fairly strict limits.

rhhardin said...

Endomorph, mesomorph and ectomorph.

tim in vermont said...

"Something true and inherent about a person can be gleaned from their bone structure?"

True and inherent about a character. John Wane was not really a cowboy, and we all know about Rock Hudson.

Howard said...

People look up to you when you are tall.

M Jordan said...

Anyone remember Sheldon’s body types? Endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph? The Phd.’s back in my day thought so much of his pseudo-science they let Yale and other Ivys photograph incoming freshmen naked including the likes of George W Bush and Hillary Rodham. Thousands and thousands of young boomers submitted to this madness.

Anyone who believes anything from the “science” of psychology needs to have their head examined.

mikee said...

So over the past decades I have varied from gamine to romantic, back again, and then through to romantic once more, as my external body shape has changed? That explains everything! And here I thought I just needed to stop eating so many fries and pizzas and desserts and burgers and lasagna....

Does this apply to pregnant women, as well?

tim in vermont said...

Some serious point missing here.

SDaly said...

Reality is also out of synch with the current interest in transgenderism.