I got there via the link in this Fox News tweet (which I saw because Caitlin Jenner is trending on Twitter):
ADDED:WHAT A PAIR: @Caitlyn_Jenner blasts NCAA for policies that give advantages to transgender athletes over biological women. https://t.co/upC0NTIsmm pic.twitter.com/UhXF5pIkig
— Fox News (@FoxNews) March 19, 2022
Do not underestimate the amount of justified contempt this creates for the trans movement.
— Blaire White (@MsBlaireWhite) March 18, 2022
I’m trans and this pisses me off- I can only imagine how the rest of the world feels. pic.twitter.com/gjdInZSYMU
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She's not wrong.
If you want to be another sex - whatever. (zzzzzzzzzzzzz)
If you are a biological male, and you compete with women->>> You are a thief.
You are stealing from women.
I thought the left cared about women? Guess not.
Good for Jenner.
Why do we even acknowledge this bullshit and give it any space any longer? This is pure insanity. From multiple pronouns to gender dysphoria going mass and becoming a 'trend' among the young, especially the young women. Pure insanity. And to what end? Does anybody want to view the future of a society that is not even hitting replacement rate in it's own population, yet clouding up the identity of it's young people's gender, offering up made up pronouns to announce your confusion as to your own identity, defunding police, opening up all of our borders, and eliminating our production of energy?
Anybody look ahead to see how this all ends? What is the goal of these movements? Is it clear enough to you now?
And please pay attention to not only the the political party behind all of this- Democrats, but also the media outlets, schools, and importantly, the corporations behind all of this. Backing it. Insisting on it. And removing your ability to work or get loans if you do not abide by it. Such as Disney/ABC/ESPN, JP Morgan Chase, and so many others.
Watch as colleges fill their ranks of "women's" sports with transgendered men.
All that thieving and winning! ( All for the almighty big dollar Biden-Pelosi family-esque payoff. Nothing more important than big bucks and stealing.
Watch. It's coming.
That took balls.
In darker corners of the internet people are calling Thomas 'AquaMa'am'. So rich it's wealthy.
New rule: you can become a woman if you want but you can’t use your new womanhood status to displace other originally born women.
She's running...
Caitlyn looks way less creepy than when she was Bruce. Maybe since she is a conservative Republican, you people might be moved to be a little more comfortable and simpatico with the folks who are blessed with non standard gender dismorphia.
The male brain is fully formed by male hormones well before Bruce Jenner's transition to Caitlyn, and it shows.
Howard said...
She's not wrong.
Your actions and your words do not agree.
You are making all of this men in sports shit happen. You say one thing but do another.
This is a pattern for you.
Who among us is not entertained?
The only persons entertained are those that do not care about this (or maybe any) sport. I am not entertained...
Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...
Watch as colleges fill their ranks of "women's" sports with transgendered men.
All that thieving and winning! ( All for the almighty big dollar Biden-Pelosi family-esque payoff. Nothing more important than big bucks and stealing.
Watch. It's coming.
No it isn't.
You people are missing the forest for the trees.
The point of this is to divide the populace.
And you all are playing right into their hands.
Temujin said...
Anybody look ahead to see how this all ends? What is the goal of these movements? Is it clear enough to you now?
It never ends.
They are pulling the pendulum back as far as they can and provoking an over reaction.
And you all are over reacting.
Right now you people are attacking all transgender people as if they are all a part of this and not individuals with serious problems just like Howard does on the Russia threads.
Most transgender people are not interested in tearing the country apart or completely displacing women. They just want to be left alone like the rest of us.
Caitlyn is much more secure than Bruce ever was, methinks.
And looking healthier.
ESPN is broadcasting the Women's NCAAA basketball tournament. Yesterday, during a live broadcast, the two female announcers held a moment of silence for the victims of Florida's "don't say gay" law.
The man/lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Bruce laid the foundation for this garbage. It's a bit convenient for him to complain now. If Bruce really wanted to do something for women's rights, he would detransition.
ESPN is progressive woke joke.
Democrats are just doing to women sports what they're doing to the country.
Achilles said: "Most transgender people are not interested in tearing the country apart or completely displacing women. They just want to be left alone like the rest of us."
Agreed. Like any person, most would prefer to just live their life and be left alone. But we're not living in normal days. Today nothing goes unactivated. Lia Thomas could have just made her change to a woman, and went on to school, and to her life. But she choose to wipe out the women's side of swimming. This was a conscious decision to put herself front and center and not to just live her own life without trampling on others lives.
I suspect many of us personally know a trans person, or have a trans relative. Those I've known in my life just lived their lives. We're all happy for them, respect them and their courage (and it did take great courage to undergo what they did), and just treat them as the person they've chosen to be. But...they never once shoved it in anyone's face, never used it to their advantage and to lord over others with it.
However much this is a personal and private change for a person, it has been hijacked into a movement. And within the movement there are many who are ready to use it as a club to society's head.
The winner looks like he's on the high school boys' wrestling team.
Second place looks like she's in a bathing beauties' competition.
Third place came dressed for the rodeo.
Was Bruce really suffering in his male body? Or was it just that he had enough time to cultivate an obsession and enough money to make a whim a reality?
I don't hate Caitlyn, and certainly don't disagree with her views on men in women's sports, but she doesn't seem representative of the trans community. The angst and resentment don't appear to be there. Also, not being very athletic, I'm a little ambivalent about sports being ruined.
I think "at a women's swim meet without a dick" should replace "up shit's creek without a paddle."
Browndog -
ESPN progressive hive-minders are really complaining about push-back against allowing over-sexualized and age-inappropriate material pushed on our 1st-3rd graders in public schools by the same leftists who celebrate biological men beating women in sports.
I agree this is a manipulation by the radial progressive left. A divisive one.
I do not hate trans-people. Not at all.
The radical progressive left - hate women. Period.
Jenner, like Dierdre McCloskey another transgender person, made his decision as an adult. McCloskey, an excellent writer and economist, has written about how hard the transition was. He/she continues to write excellent work. Like this.
Follow the Science, leftwingers. Stop denying basic biology. Stop the mindless promotion of mental illness and aberrant behaviors.
Lia Thomas' "record time" would have made her sixtieth among men seeded for the 2022 NCAA 500 freestyle.
https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/timesdocuments/ncaa/22-2-21_pre-selection-entry-list-updated.pdf?sfvrsn=35c25232_20
Bumblebee @9:38… boil it down, you did. Good show!
A possible solution to this conundrum would be to have swimmers (or anybody else) complete by weight class rather than by gender.
She bravely overcame the disadvantage of her dick and balls dragging through the water slowing her down.
That picture says one thing to me: selfish.
Maybe since she is a conservative Republican, you people might be moved to be a little more comfortable and simpatico with the folks who are blessed with non standard gender dismorphia.
Ah, Howard. Always batting at the invisible flies buzzing around your head.
I'm in the big camp of "you feel as if your body doesn't match your insides AND you're an adult, go ahead and do what you can to get comfortable." I do think that body dysphoria is a mental disorder, whether it relates to your sense that your "gender" doesn't match your plumbing or other mismatches less popular in today's media world, like believing you're not thin enough until you can see daylight all the way from thighs to ankles with your feet together, or you're not beautiful enough unless your lips stick out like a duck's bill, your eyes are at a 30-degree angle to the rest of your face, and you can't form a natural expression, or you don't look strong enough unless your biceps are the size of a woman's waist (have you seen those pictures of men, primarily South American men in the ones I've seen, with biceps implants? It's grotesque). I believe the first thing to try - and the only thing to try for kids - in the effort to get comfortable is therapy.
But if you're an adult, and you've tried therapy first - do as you wish. I have relatives and friends with serious anxiety, OCD, and depression; they have also employed therapy and appropriate prescription drugs to treat and help them live with their conditions, and while these things help, they're not "cured." So I and everyone around them make necessary accommodations for them, and they themselves acknowledge that they are dealing with a disordered self- and world-view. They don't demand that the rest of the world treat their (for example) need to enter a house a certain way, following specific steps, as "normal" or as identical to the way I just walk in.
Why are trans people privileged above bulimic and anorectic people or for that matter people in the "thick and juicy" crowd? What makes this one group's shared conviction that the mismatch between their self-perception and reality is more worthy of public accommodation than others'? That this mismatch is, in fact, evidence that it's the rest of the world that has the perception problem, not they?
Death wish,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGb_nQZrvFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUgKUspKisY
I hope Thomas keeps on winning. Then I hope he transitions back to being a man to bring this farce to its natural conclusion.
The expression on the face of the second place woman says volumes. I won, I'm the rightful champion, but they allowed this cheating freak to compete, so I'm going to put the best face on it because there isn't anything I can do about it. And the sport to which I have devoted most of my being is doomed. So will smile wistfully.
Looking at the photo more closely, the swimmer who placed second (aka the real winner) shows grace and class. You can see it in her face. She has the look of someone who is unfazed. She knows who won. Serenity now.
The swimmer who placed third looks pissed. Fortunately she can take it out on a bull at the rodeo.
As for the third place woman...I got nothin'.
selfish
Selfiesh in the modern style.
That said, now that trans/homos have established their niche, trans/bis have been judged and labeled !"=" in social affairss, trans/neos, trans/quasis, and trans/socials are trendy. Throw another baby... fetus on the barbie, it's over? Take a knee, feminists, and female collateral damage.
I don't know any transgendered people. There can't be all that many guys who would choose to go such a route. Well, I thought the same thing about tattoos, but that's become a mass phenomenon.... It's glaringly obvious that those women who have to compete again him/her/them (I'm unsure of pronoun etiquette) are shit out of luck. It's blatantly unjust,but it's woke and thus beyond criticism....Woke justice is to justice as Madonna imitators are to Madonna.... I imagine there are many burdens when you choose to become transgendered. One of those burdens should be that you forgo your chance to compete in women's athletics.
Achilles said...
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"You people are missing the forest for the trees.
The point of this is to divide the populace."
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That, and to eliminate those deplorable sports contests. Participation trophies for everyone. Equity!
Andy said...
I hope Thomas keeps on winning. Then I hope he transitions back to being a man to bring this farce to its natural conclusion.
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is NCAA Monty Pithon ?
Andy said...
I hope Thomas keeps on winning. Then I hope he transitions back to being a man to bring this farce to its natural conclusion.
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NCAA as Monty Pithon ?
"At least I have the balls..."
Hilarious, heard Jenner say that on Hannity.
Sometimes the guests make watching his show tolerable.
Woke is just another manifestation of Marxism/socialism.
It's a way to control those not in the cult.
"ESPN is broadcasting the Women's NCAAA basketball tournament. Yesterday, during a live broadcast, the two female announcers held a moment of silence for the victims of Florida's "don't say gay" law."
They should make it a lifetime vow.
Blogger tcrosse said...
A possible solution to this conundrum would be to have swimmers (or anybody else) complete by weight class rather than by gender.
Still don’t think that would work.....original gender is a big advantage. I have gotten back into competitive powerlifting after a lot of years off. My current bench press at age 62 would put me into the all-time top 50 female lifers in the world in the same weight class regardless of age. Have also seen more participation of women (girls) in high school wrestling. Some girls may be competitive in the lower weight classes but the upper body strength difference in the higher weight classes is very difficult to overcome. Just too many differences in weight/muscle distribution.
Interesting article in WSJ about Disney’s CEO and his travails over the FL law forbidding schools from subjecting 5 to 8 year olds to discussions regarding gender orientation taught by God knows who. The CEO is dancing to a tune called by creatives inside the company. What do the customers think?
I think Disney is flirting with disaster.
I hope Thomas keeps on winning. Then I hope he transitions back to being a man to bring this farce to its natural conclusion.
What happened with those two boys pretending to be girls in high school track? Have they gone on to college yet? As women or men?
It’s lonely at the top.
If you could stop this by changing your vote to Republican would you do it? If your answer is ‘Hell No!’ or ‘No’ this is not worth worrying about…
"don't say gay"
There is no joy, merriment, light-heartedness, and carefree abandon in the transgender spectrum? Sad.
Cancel the pride parade, the lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs.
I didn’t agree with a lot of what Jenner said. I don’t respect Thomas. Because she knows she’s gamed the system, and her accomplishments are meaningless. But she doesn’t care. And she doesn’t care her naked presence in the locker room as a fully intact anatomical male creates discomfort for some of her teammates. It’s everyone else’s problem. She’s selfish and dishonorable, and everyone close to her has allowed that. Jenner claimed you can’t just ban trans athletes. “What about trans males (former females?)” Get real, Caitlyn. That’s not an issue, and you know it.
I can celebrate Amy Schneider’s accomplishment on Jeopardy as an individual winning against other individuals. No dishonor there. Congratulations. I don’t consider it a female accomplishment, but there was no inherent unfair advantage that diminishes her status.
My interest in women’s sports pretty much ends with beach volleyball. However, even in the other sports you’re not watching because they’re great athletes, but because they’re women. It’s like Dr. Johnson’s aphorism about a dog preaching. So as we move into the brave new non-binary world, women’s sports will have to become something like the Paralympics, where there are different classes depending on how disabled you are, or in this case how womanly you are, i.e. how low your testosterone is. Of course, just as in the Paralympics there will be bitter disputes over how the classes are defined. From my observations it will be quite some time before this issue affects beach volleyball, however, so I’m not too concerned.
These true female swimmers that are complaining annonamously need to get brave and get on the record, or they will continue to suffer these indignities. (I really wanted to say 'grow a pair' or 'man up' but all of these have been overdone!)
I suspect many of us personally know a trans person, or have a trans relative.
I suspect very few people know a trans. Let's hear from all those who do know someone like that.
Achilles said...Most transgender people are not interested in tearing the country apart or completely displacing women. They just want to be left alone like the rest of us.
Exactly. The two tweets the prof included in this entry are far more representative of mainstream trans opinion than are the “men really literally are women” activists, who have hijacked the phenomenon to bring meaning to their empty narcissistic lives. And the media and corporate America play right into it. Each for their own cowardly short-sighted reasons.
here's a serious Question:
Do a LOT of Real Women win, at Jeopardy? I wouldn't know, i don't watch.
i DID see, that of 29 "Tournament Of Champions" champions..
It looks like, there have been TWO people with female sounding names..
Rachael Schwartz. The first woman to win the Tournament of Champions back in 1994
and
Celeste DiNucci - 2007 Tournament of Champions winner
So, basically, is it true, that; the reason (The ONLY REASON) why trannies are on Jeopardy, is because Real Women aren't allowed on? Because of misogyny?
'The CEO is dancing to a tune called by creatives inside the company.'
There was a time when the CEO was the boss, answering only to the board of directors.
If the BOD is on his side, he should tell the employees to either shut up or quit.
If the BOD is woke then he has to walk a tightrope...
Leftists hate that they might be thwarted from grooming 1st-3rd graders with their overly sexualized garbage.
A woke CEO w/the majority of the BOD is a f/king tornado to the well oiled machine.
I may be a farmer, but my sister was caught up in the destruction of an institution that wreaked havoc on those who just wanted to do their jobs. The CEO fired or drove away the really conscientious people and was left w/kiss-ass educated dummies.
Eventually (2yrs?) after the damage was done- the state investigated and the CEO was sent packing. Idk if this institution has recovered.
I met a trans woman a couple of times. I think she was beautiful as a man, maybe finer boned- and maybe gay- idk. Guessing. When I met her the 1st time- she was decked out in a tight dress and heels and it was obvious when we exchanged bright hellos that she was trans. It confused the crap out of my about 10 yr old son. She sure could flaunt it!! The 2nd time was a conversation at someone’s home and that time it confused the crap out of me.
Definitely a very likable person trying to live her life.
I think the hormone use hurts and ages the body- when used to fight against it’s natural state.
n.n could say it better: in fetal opposition. One of them won’t make it.
It’s sad- that one might feel always an outward opposition, only to then carry the battle inward upon oneself.
People are trying to find the right words.
It's simple. Biological males - even males on hormone suppressants - are still biological males.
They are cheating when they compete with women. They are stealing from women.
The photo reminds me of one of those charts of the evolution of man from Australopithecus to modern man. I don't know if Lia would be modern man or a Neanderthal or a gorilla.
It also looks like the famous 1960s BBC "Class Sketch" with John Cleese, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett. It's been updated as a "Generations Sketch" and both are available on YouTube.
It's good to know that some transpeople don't support transwomen who went through male puberty participating in women's sports. I doubt most people have a transperson in the family, though.
Blogger Joe Smith said...
'The CEO is dancing to a tune called by creatives inside the company.
Use your favorite search engine on ESG - Environmental, Social, and (Corporate) Governance.
CEO and Board will be driven by institutional investors. Teachers, unions, greens will have massive investment power to force corporate direction. Yet another area in which we are generally screwed.
The guy who claims to be a woman is not the problem. It's the officials who allow him to compete against the girls who are the problem.
I suspect very few people know a trans. Let's hear from all those who do know someone like that.
I worked with one about twenty years ago.
Party of science ... it is to laugh.
Can of Cheese 4Hunter: I agree.
There should be transSports teams.
Even if only of 1.
gilbar said...
here's a serious Question:
Do a LOT of Real Women win, at Jeopardy? I wouldn't know, i don't watch.
I don't watch either but the Bell Curve (the statistics thing, not the book though related) of male intelligence is generally considered to have a wider distribution than the female one, i.e. there are more male geniuses but also more male imbeciles, and if I recall the tails on both ends stretch out farther for men. The probability is that most champions would be men unless the producers jiggered with the number of female contestants, and maybe even then they couldn't make it work out even. IIRC the fairly recently announced new highest winnings 'woman' was trans.
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As Bunky noted, it's not really Will Thomas that's the problem, it's the NCAA. There's little issue with allowing XX chromosome people to compete in XY chromosome sports or divisions since even declaring a sex change to legally ingest hormones is unlikely to confer much of a benefit over people who went through puberty with standard XY hormones, and what issues do come up are not related to relative performance. The problem was the NCAA made their rules based on the desire to virtue signal combined with the mistaken assumption that no XY chromosome person would go through even a fig leaf sex change in order to switch to the XX divisions, completely ignoring everything we've heard about how monomaniacal athletes are at these levels of competition. Anybody willing to shave every hair off their body get a .001 second better lap time isn't going to have a problem tucking their d!ck up their a$$ for a year. The NCAA could put a hard stop to this but chose not to.
To Christopher B:
I agreed with everything you said except the second to last sentence. Shaving is not "changing your body"...it grows back. On the scale of things athletes do to improve, it doesn't even make the top-100 list. Try not to disparage a sport you clearly do not understand or even attempt to try to understand.
@ TJ, my apologies that my example wasn't more clearly directed at the NCAA not giving more consideration that athletes will often do things that are within the rules but potentially harmful.
We have a transgender member in our family. He had a very troubled childhood, and worked very hard to overcome the trauma. He married into our family, is soft spoken and a lovely person. Unfortunately, he still can't quiet his past and has now tried to find peace by changing his gender to a woman.
His children are wonderful, but are definitely stifled and uncertain.
He is still a member of the family, we call him by his new name, and he does not demand we use new pronouns.
It's the athletic equivalent of Stolen Valor.
Easy for me to say, but this won't end until the girls refuse to compete with the fakes. Boycott them. It'll be hard and the girls will be threatened and attacked. It's the only way, though. Walk away.
As a college athlete you have a limited time to compete...that's an awful lot to give up if you put yourself in their position. Add that NCAA Championship isn't some meaningless dual meet in the middle of the season, only 281 swimmers are invited to compete. It is frankly unfair for "refusing to compete at Nationals" to be a requirement for peoples' sympathy (or empathy) for those women. The NCAA should have stood up for them, but it didn't. That is a travesty.
Thomas was a good male swimmer. I don't believe their decision to transition was made to improve their relative standing in a sport that they had 1 year left to compete. Despite that fact, the decision should have precluded them from competitive swimming in a woman's sport. That is not being a hater...we ALL make decisions that precluded us from doing things we may want to do...it's called life.
It's unfortunate that this is going to fall off the front page...
Here is an open letter from a swimmer displaced by Thomas:
www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/reka-gyorgy-virginia-tech-swimmer-bumped-out-of-b-final-in-500-free-writes-critical-letter-to-ncaa/
The trans swimmer should look at this photo and be embarrassed. It’s like an eight grade boy competing with kindergartners!
What a moron!
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