Althouse: "Wisconsin law requires the DNR to hold a hunting season between November and February whenever the wolf is not listed as endangered, but this winter’s hunt was put on hold...."

February 12, 2022

"Wisconsin law requires the DNR to hold a hunting season between November and February whenever the wolf is not listed as endangered, but this winter’s hunt was put on hold...."

"U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White in Oakland, California, said the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service had failed to show wolf populations could be sustained in the Midwest and portions of the West without protection under the Endangered Species Act, so he reinstated them as an endangered species.... Permits that allowed land owners to kill wolves when experiencing conflicts with the animals are no longer valid, the [Wisconsin] DNR said.... Training dogs to track and trail wolves is also no longer allowed, the DNR said. The DNR said it 'remains committed' to helping people who have conflicts with wolves."

Madison.com reports.

43 comments:

Yancey Ward said...: A US district judge from California.; 2/12/22, 9:18 AM
rhhardin said...: You can buy bottles of animal scents to train your dog to track, whether to follow it or to ignore it as a distraction when it's a crossing track. Bitch in heat is an option for male dogs (to train to not track).

As a freedom of speech issue I'd suppose wolf scent is protected. You might be training to ignore, after all.; 2/12/22, 9:18 AM
gilbar said...: i'm Sure that Judge Jeffrey White in Oakland, California knows A Lot about wolves in Wisconsin!

I wonder how many wolves there are Now,
compared to when they went on the list (or off the list for that matter)
https://www.fws.gov/midwest/wolf/population/mi_wi_nos.html

Year of Survey*_______Minnesota______Wisconsin_______Michigan
2017-2018_______________2,655___________905_____________662
1988-1989_______________1,500____________31_______________3; 2/12/22, 9:25 AM
Jamie said...: The DNR said it 'remains committed' to helping people who have conflicts with wolves.

Apparently the way I "remain committed" to learning to snowboard - I regretfully acknowledge that at this point I'm never going to get around to it, even though, gosh, I sure wish I could do it!; 2/12/22, 9:34 AM
Moondawggie said...: Sounds like it's about time to reintroduce a few federally-protected wolf packs into the Oakland Hills and Golden Gate Park in order to sustain an endangered species.

The fallout from that action might provide a little up-close, personal education for Bay Area jurists about the consequences of their decisions.; 2/12/22, 9:45 AM
Roger Sweeny said...: And what does it matter is wolf populations aren't sustained in the Midwest, even if they're doing fine elsewhere? It matters because the Endangered Species Act doesn't protect species. It protects sub-species and populations. Most people don't want species to go extinct, but they don't care about particular sub-groups in limited areas. If Republicans actually cared about doing something, they would pledge to amend the Endangered Species Act to bring it into compliance with its name.; 2/12/22, 9:49 AM
gspencer said...: Just assume the wolf was identifying as a non-endangered animal and you'll be clear.

At least according to the lights of the left.

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."; 2/12/22, 9:53 AM
iowan2 said...: common sense informs us that there is no reason to protect wolves in populated areas. It is very simple to limit protection zones to counties that fall below a defined population density. Maybe township lines (roughly 6 miles x 6 miles=36 sections)

I suppose there are wolves in Iowa, but I don't think I could tell them apart from coyote. Which in Iowa there is no season, meaning you can hunt at will. Not sure about Wisconsin, but here we shoot coyote from 1/2 mile or better. Gives the farmers a chance to use there high power rifles and big optics. But it would be easy to claim you were shooting coyote and killed a wolf.; 2/12/22, 10:04 AM
David Begley said...: Will the DNR pay money damages when cows, sheep or other farm animals get eaten by wolves?; 2/12/22, 10:14 AM
traditionalguy said...: Wolves win. Humans lose. Forget it Jake. It’s Wisconsin town.; 2/12/22, 10:19 AM
Big Mike said...: According to what I’ve read online, US District Judge Jeffrey White is on senior status. Who is this senile nitwit to decide that it is perfectly okay for farmers to lose valuable livestock, for families to lose pets, and perhaps even lose children playing too close to the tree line?

On one of my trips to Alaska I watched a TV interview with three women who had been jogging together and found themselves surrounded by a pack of wolves. It was obviously very traumatic for them, though it being Alaska I wondered why they didn’t carry guns or bear spray. I don’t recall how they escaped; perhaps someone else came along and the wolves retreated. There are other animals in the Alaskan bush that are triggered to pursue by the sight of a running prey animal, which humans are to bears, wolves, and mountain lions.

So how about it, Althouse? Are you prepared to be surrounded by wolves while you’re out on your morning jog?; 2/12/22, 10:20 AM
Mr. T. said...: Pardon the legal ignorance, but how does a far left coast fistrict judge have any subject matter jurisdiction over Wisconsin????; 2/12/22, 10:27 AM
Skeptical Voter said...: There's no shortage of predators in Oakland California. It's just that most of them have two legs. Oakland was the birthplace of the Black Panthers in the mid 60s, and things haven't gotten better since then.; 2/12/22, 10:49 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: The Three S solution remains.; 2/12/22, 11:11 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: "Fuck The Noise" duly noted.; 2/12/22, 11:12 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: The good citizens of Oregon banned the use of dogs in hunting cougars. Hunting cougar without dogs is an exercise in frustration. Cougars are too elusive without a dog to catch a cougar's scent. The population of cougars has skyrocketed. They take one elk/deer/etc. a week to feed.

Of course, it was the citizens of the cities, like Portland, that passed the initiative-petition. The rural folks know the score, the city dwellers know nothing about hunting.; 2/12/22, 11:13 AM
Readering said...: Black Panthers the reason Reagan Republicans back then were big on gun control.; 2/12/22, 11:20 AM
walter said...: "The DNR said it 'remains committed' to helping people who have conflicts with wolves"
Team Clipboard's duties expanding.
We need to have the conversation.; 2/12/22, 11:31 AM
Critter said...: Release several hungry wolves in the judge’s yard when he goes out for his nail. Problem solved.; 2/12/22, 11:32 AM
jim5301 said...: I think it's time for another Freedom Caravan. How dare the government tell me what I can and cannot kill. Next they'll tell me I can't drive drunk. Where does it end? Maybe shut down the interstate between Milwaukee and Chicago. Then they'll know who is in charge.; 2/12/22, 11:35 AM
loudogblog said...: It's odd that the judge's jurisdiction is in Northern California but he decided a case about what is happening in Wisconsin.

I wonder if this was a case of judge shopping to increase the odds of getting a judge that would be more favorable to them.; 2/12/22, 11:54 AM
Ignorance is Bliss said...: iowan2 said...
But it would be easy to claim you were shooting coyote and killed a wolf.

It's also easy to claim that the girl looked 18. And both claims are equally relevant when it comes to your legal defense.

As BUMBLE BEE said, the Three S solution remains.

(For the wolf, not the girl)
(Thought I better clarify, knowing some of the commenters around here.); 2/12/22, 12:54 PM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: "U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White in Oakland, California, said the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service had failed to show wolf populations could be sustained in the Midwest and portions of the West without protection under the Endangered Species Act, so he reinstated them as an endangered species

Any leftist who doesn't oppose this order has permanently forfeited any right to complain about Texas or Florida District Court judges completely shutting down the Biden Admin.

WTF is a judge in Oakland, California doing ruling on what's happening in the Midwest?; 2/12/22, 1:06 PM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: Readering said...
Black Panthers the reason Reagan Republicans back then were big on gun control.

Gee, Readering's full of shit, again.

Care to provide a link to support your claim of "Reagan Republicans" being "big on gun control"?

Not lying leftists claiming we were, but documents from "Reagan Republicans" supporting "gun control"?

I'm sure you wouldn't make such a claim without having dozens of such documents, right?; 2/12/22, 1:08 PM
Ignorance is Bliss said...: Readering said...

Black Panthers the reason Reagan Republicans back then were big on gun control.

Crime was the reason Reagan Republicans back then were big on gun control for criminals. For non-criminals they reduced restrictions.; 2/12/22, 1:10 PM
n.n said...: Planned predatorhood is an inhumane protocol in the third and fourth trimesters, but not in the first and second where rites are liberally restricted. That said, throw another baby... cub on the barbie.; 2/12/22, 1:12 PM
Mark said...: 'Training' dogs as they do during wolf pup season generally leads to lots of claims for injured dogs. Time for our tax dollars to stop paying for people's poor safety decisions with their hobby dogs.; 2/12/22, 1:46 PM
Big Mike said...: @Readering, I was a Reagan Republican, in fact I was a (very) minor official in the 1984 re-election campaign. I have no recollection of any Republican gun control efforts during the Reagan years (January 1981 - January 1989). You wouldn’t happen to have a link or two to substantiate your absurd claim, would you? Or is this another one of your made-up “facts”?; 2/12/22, 1:54 PM
Narayanan said...: how did case/dispute about wolf in WI end up in CA judge court?

teach me some civil procedure please, some more please, again please; 2/12/22, 3:22 PM
Assistant Village Idiot said...: The DNR means that they remain committed to helping wolves who have conflicts with people, not the other way around. It is amazing how many bureaucratic statements can be better understood by simply exchanging the cart for the horse in the sentence.; 2/12/22, 3:50 PM
Freder Frederson said...: There are other animals in the Alaskan bush that are triggered to pursue by the sight of a running prey animal, which humans are to bears, wolves, and mountain lions.

This statement is pure bullshit. Predation of humans by bears, wolves and mountain lions is extremely rare. A grand total of one person has been killed this century in the u.s (and another in Canada) by wolves. The last person killed in the US in the 20th century was way back in 1943 (and that was a case of rabies from a wolf bite).; 2/12/22, 4:19 PM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: jim5301 said...
I think it's time for another Freedom Caravan.

Poor Jim. his positions are so pathetic that he has to claim he can't see any difference between a government saying "you must inject this in your body or we will destroy your life", and one saying "we won't let you kill this thing".

Now, both times teh government is wrong

But you have to be a moral retard of immense proportions to fail to understand the differences between the two; 2/12/22, 4:19 PM
gilbar said...: omg, i can't believe that i'm doing this..
but; Reading is Right
BUT he's talking about back when Reagan was GOVERNOR of Cali, not President
California put in gun control laws Because of Black Panthers walking around carrying guns

The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.

Also, the Oakland Judge DIDN'T rule on Wolves in Wisconsin... He ruled on ALL WOLVES in the Country; 2/12/22, 4:51 PM
Ignorance is Bliss said...: For those asking for a link to Reagan Republicans gun control, Google the Firearms Owners' Protection Act from 1986.

TL;DR Greater gun control of convicted criminals, less gun control for law abiding citizens; 2/12/22, 5:07 PM
Big Mike said...: Predation of humans by bears, wolves and mountain lions is extremely rare.

@Freder, pay attention. “Rare” does not equal zero.; 2/12/22, 5:19 PM
Big Mike said...: The last person killed in the US in the 20th century was way back in 1943

Alaska isn’t part of the US?; 2/12/22, 5:27 PM
Joe Smith said...: I'm sure the egghead judge in California is the best person to decide about what happens in WI...

Same judge: "Babies in the womb? Kill them all...'; 2/12/22, 5:42 PM
Richard Dillman said...: Wolves are now a protected species in Minnesota as of Feb. 10th, 2022, I think by the same judicial decree. We have about 2,655 wolves roaming around Northern Minnesota. I’ve never seen one and never heard of a human being attacked. However, they do attack livestock, making them a problem for farmers. I’ve seen cougars, coyotes, bobcats, and many bears, but no wolves.; 2/12/22, 11:06 PM
tolkein said...: David Begley asked

Will the DNR pay money damages when cows, sheep or other farm animals get eaten by wolves?

No.; 2/13/22, 6:02 AM
stlcdr said...: California/Wisconsin: I suppose a district judge can rule on federal lands, but I don’t see them having authority on state or private lands, in this case.; 2/13/22, 8:48 AM
gilbar said...: stlcdr said...
California/Wisconsin: I suppose a district judge can rule on federal lands, but I don’t see them having authority on state or private lands, in this case.

They are Federal Wolves. Sometimes, the people here surprise me.
stlcdr, Do YOU think, that if a Bald Eagle (or Grizzly Bear (or Snail Darter) is on 'state or private lands', that the feds won't hang you if you hurt them? Please wake up
thanx!; 2/13/22, 9:01 AM
Gojuplyr831@gmail.com said...: Will the DNR pay money damages when cows, sheep or other farm animals get eaten by wolves?

The DNR does pay for some livestock damage caused by wolves. This includes payment for hunting dogs killed by wolves. The kicker is that to receive damages for livestock, the landowner has to jump through some hoops and open his land to hunting by the general public.; 2/13/22, 10:35 AM
Greg The Class Traitor said...: From Wikipedia:

The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.[2][3] They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[4][5][self-published source?][6]

Two notes:
1: "public carrying" means "open carry". It did not prevent concealed carry
2: Let's repeat that last sentence: They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill

Jan 6: unarmed Republicans go to the Capitol to protest against a fraudulent and stolen election
1967: Openly armed Democrats and other such leftist trash go to the State Capitol to protest against a law prohibiting the open carrying of firearms

Which one of these is "insurrection"?; 2/13/22, 12:48 PM