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"And though there were pockets of sympathy for the protesters’ frustration with pandemic rules, the bulk of Canadians resented their tactics and wanted them to go home..."

"... surveys show. In Ottawa, residents were angry that the authorities took so long to act. 'This thing was a truly fringe movement that got lucky, in my view, in terms of failures of policing,' [said Wesley Wark, a senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation, a Canadian public policy group]. 'I think this has been an extraordinary moment and flash in the pan.' There were elements of right wing extremism tied to the protests around the country, where Confederate, QAnon and Trump flags had cropped up. Conspiracy theorists could be found milling about Parliament, too: people who believed big Pharma created the coronavirus in order to make money on vaccines or that QR codes allow the government to police our thoughts. But the protests drew in thousands of people on some weekends, many of them just frustrated Canadians who didn’t want to be forced to get a vaccine or were just fed up with the pandemic and its restrictions.... In interviews, trucker after trucker said this was his or her first protest...."

From "After Trucker Protest, Canada Grapples With a Question: Was It a Blip, or Something Bigger?/The demonstrators were passionate, organized and supported financially, but such spontaneous movements often have a tough time converting their energy into real change" (NYT).

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Kay म्हणाले...

I can’t remember the last time a mass protest led to any significant policy change in the United States. I don’t think it’s ever happened within my lifetime. But maybe Canada will be different.

tcrosse म्हणाले...

Jordan Peterson files a minority report:
Canadian Catastrophe

Butkus51 म्हणाले...

Notice the huge amount of covid fatalities in the 3 weeks of the protest? They were dropping like flies.

I wonder if Canadians know what scurvy is?

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

I don't believe this story from NYT.

The tip-off is the reference to Nazi and Confederate symbolism. This is signaling that a certain base context--which may well be propaganda--will be trotted out uncritically without ever having been closely examined. Were these symbols put forward by provocateurs? If there were swastikas, what were they intended to symbolize--that the Trudeau government was fascist?

I smell a rat.

Achilles म्हणाले...

The Regime and the Regime Media close ranks.

Anyone who supports this crackdown and the seizure of property by the state is on the same moral level as the Nazi supporters in Germany.

If there is a majority of people in a country that are this evil then that country is evil.

I want to see the communications between the Biden Regime and the Fascist Regime in Canada.

typingtalker म्हणाले...

"... surveys show."

Well, that's enough for me! But there may be many thoughtful people who would like a little more information about those surveys.

Achilles म्हणाले...

The reason the borders are open is so the Laptop class can replace the working class with poor uneducated slaves.

The democrat party has always been about setting up a two tier economy with wealthy and poor.

gspencer म्हणाले...

Naomi Wolf weighs in. Quite thoughtfully,

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/02/no_author/the-fall-of-canada-the-danger-in-the-us/

Narayanan म्हणाले...

going by what Trudeau has wreaked on them Convoy is not small potatoes

wendybar म्हणाले...

You could say the same about Seattle, Portland and every other city that was burned down by Antifa and BLM, but they got to remain there in the CHOP or CHAZ settings because the left refused to let our President send in the National Guard to stop their violence.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Althouse believes the CYA articles she reads in the New York Times. Isn’t that just precious?

What's emanating from your penumbra म्हणाले...

Oh good. I was wondering what the NYT thought about the truckers. After careful analysis and weighing of both sides, they tentatively come down on the side opposing the truckers. I must say, I'm surprised.

What's emanating from your penumbra म्हणाले...

You must be a fucking idiot if you think the NYT has a journalistic mission.

Yeah Right Sure म्हणाले...

Cool. Surveys are the standard for acceptable/ unacceptable protests. Must have meant those in Minneapolis and Kenosha were fine with their towns being torched.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Why did they not interview the Ottawa police chief that resigned?

The one that refused to unleash the police on peaceful protestors?

Curious George म्हणाले...

"I can’t remember the last time a mass protest led to any significant policy change in the United States."

Vietnam War?

narciso म्हणाले...

They cheered the destruction of a 100 cities, vs bouncy house shirley

Also they support the deplatformimg like burundi and azerbaijan

JK Brown म्हणाले...

"a senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation, a Canadian public policy group"

Because such a person wouldn't be a shill for globalists, would they.

The story is looking for the truckers having found favor with the government. But the government's, and the media's, response to the protest has already seeded a change, not only in Canada, but in the US and elsewhere. You have to be deep in the media bubble to not see what happened.

Enigma म्हणाले...

Conservatives polling up 10% despite massive hostile propaganda:

https://thepostmillennial.com/conservatives-up-10-points-in-new-poll-amid-trudeaus-anti-freedom-fiasco

Howard म्हणाले...

Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest. The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.

Lance म्हणाले...

"In Ottawa, residents were angry that the authorities took so long to act."

I'm not myself old enough to remember, but isn't that how the squares felt about the anti-war protests in 1965?

NCMoss म्हणाले...

Don't many of the major media outlets in Canada receive govt funding (like NPR) and wouldn't it be in their best interest to take sides with the govt and against the protesters?

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

Leave it to the NYT to cover for their globalist bosses.

Remember boys and girls, freedom is always bad unless we say it isn't.

Ray - SoCal म्हणाले...

Protests are not over, and growing.

Freezing of bank accounts for anyone that contributed, or attended, is huge.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/02/if-you-have-assets-at-canadian-financial-institutions-youre-nuts/

Wilbur म्हणाले...

Anecdotally, the last couple of weeks I've overheard several snowbird Canadiens talking about this situation. To an individual, they were bad-mouthing the truckers, saying that their tactics were just causing those who might support them to not do so.

John henry म्हणाले...

Trudeau handed out $61mm Canadian to news outlets before his last election. About 1500 organizations

List here you have to scroll down

https://www.rebelnews.com/exclusive_news_media_who_secretly_took_trudeaus_61m_pre-election_pay-off

I wonder if this center for govt whatever got any payoff from this or something else.

John LGBTQBNY Henry

John henry म्हणाले...

A single mom in Alberta gave $40 to the give send go fund when it was perfectly legal to do so.

She has had credit cards and bank account frozen.

If I were Canadian and asked if I supported the protest I would be scared shirtless to say so.

Even to an "independent" (ie funded by govt) organization.

Life is hard enough without being stupid too.

John LGBTQBNY Henry

hombre म्हणाले...

More elitist BS from NYT and their collaborators. The Canadian Liberals are not a majority party. Are they a fringe element?

It may well be that the fascist putdown of the truckers will defeat the movement just as Obama’s IRS assault on the Tea Party defeated it. Most Canadians, like most Americans are sheeple in the face of government oppression. The fascisti know this. They restrain the police in the face of riots by their consorts, BLM and Antifa, and release them against peaceful protests that actually oppose government abuses.

The unsavory elements upon which NYT mediaswine dwell were virtually nonexistent among the truckers. WEF toady wasn’t afraid of them physically, only politically. Note that leftist pundits are now observing that “freedom” is merely a rallying cry for right wing extremists, not a desirable goal.

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

'The tip-off is the reference to Nazi and Confederate symbolism.'

First off, the Nazi flag (as I read it) was a statement that Trudeau was acting like a Nazi, not that anyone believed in Nazi ideology.

Second, if I were to bring a swastika flag or a confederate flag to a largely liberal rally, would it ever, in a billion years, get reported?

Of course not.

The Borg protects their own...

Michael K म्हणाले...

My wife has two sons who live with their father in Canada even though they are both about 50. One of them told his American brother (who is conservative) that all the truckers should be arrested. This is what a compliant population sounds like. Germans were similar in 1938.

MadTownGuy म्हणाले...

From the article:

"There were elements of right wing extremism tied to the protests around the country, where Confederate, QAnon and Trump flags had cropped up."

The NYT perpetuates the false flag ops as if they were gospel. Shame!

Critter म्हणाले...

The Left cannot control the narrative at the time of events like the trucker protest. But, as true believers in Marxist techniques, they know that they can spin the event later and convince many that they cannot believe their own lying eyes. NYT is a propaganda tool.

rcocean म्हणाले...

I doubt the "polls", since you can get any opinion you want if you phrase the question the right way.

But i don't doubt the thrust of the article. Canadians are even bigger loser/cucks than Americans are. They literally won't do anything until some Mountie shows up a their door and escorts them to the Gulag.

Most of them are perfectly happy following orders, voting for trudeau and the NDP, and wearing masks/showing their vaccine passports. Even if that accomplishes nothing.

Tank म्हणाले...

The New York Times is not a legitimate news organization. What reason is there to believe anything in this article?

Andrew म्हणाले...

How many false flags and fake hate crimes have to happen before the knee-jerk reaction to "far-right" tropes no longer occurs?

WWMartin म्हणाले...

I wonder what the public view will be if truckers all leave and simply stop going to Ottawa for any reason at all. How long will the city hold out under siege?

Humperdink म्हणाले...

Steamrolling an elderly woman on a mobility scooter with 1500# horses was a nice touch. Kudos to Prime Minister #BlackfaceHitlerCastro. For a guy who is 4'10" tall and 95# he just exudes toughness. And the poor lady was an indigenous citizen to boot.

Owen म्हणाले...

NYT is just echoing Canadian Government line here: it's no big deal, everybody can go back to sleep. I don't think it's quite that simple. As the pictures circulate of mounted police trampling an 80-year-old Indigenous grandmother, Canadians who pride themselves on their decency and moderation may start to think again. As stories circulate of ordinary people having their financial lives destroyed without so much as a by-your-leave from their banks and credit unions who (immunized by Trudeau's emergency orders) expose and seize their assets, Canadians who have become quite smug about their financial security and privacy may start to think again.

Trudeau couldn't wait to break the glass and pull the lever on that Emergencies Act. Now he is as tweaked on power as an addict on meth, and it's all out in the open. Pass the popcorn.

Check out David Solway.

Kevin म्हणाले...

NYT Challenge: Write an article on right-wing politics without mentioning Trump, Fascism, QAnon, racism, the Confederacy, weapons, January 6h, Putin, or individuals and groups who would like to overthrow the government.

Hint: Pretend these people are average citizens with valid complaints.

Kevin म्हणाले...

"... surveys show."

"Some say..."

Flat Tire म्हणाले...

It's "something bigger" now thanks to the government reaction with banking, etc.

Biff म्हणाले...

"Wesley Wark, a senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation"

...a fellow who certainly represents the views of the Canadian hoi polloi.

J Severs म्हणाले...

I smiled at "a senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation, a Canadian public policy group" being presented as typical member of Canadian public.

Mike Sylwester म्हणाले...

This comment of mine might be off topic, but I still want to remark that Trudeau supported similar protests in India.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Mike Sylwester said...

This comment of mine might be off topic, but I still want to remark that Trudeau supported similar protests in India.

And he supported the violent BLM protests.

Temujin म्हणाले...

Trump flags? That's what passes for 'extremist' these days?

I'll take "Leaders who freeze and confiscate my bank account" for $1000, Alex.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Mike Sylwester said...
This comment of mine might be off topic, but I still want to remark that Trudeau supported similar protests in India.
==========
I believe Trudeau was appealing to his Sikh base who are fighting for separation from India

like Russians in eastern Ukraine

Freder Frederson म्हणाले...

Why did they not interview the Ottawa police chief that resigned?

The one that refused to unleash the police on peaceful protestors?


This statement is a bit of a stretch. Seems like he was forced to resign because he fucked up the response.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

Expect your bank account to be frozen or confiscated if you blank_____ the government.

Nice going NYT.

MadisonMan म्हणाले...

"surveys show" Ah yes. I'm convinced, totally convinced!

John henry म्हणाले...

At some point the queen Elizabeths Canadian military will be needed.

Since she has to personally and physically sign any orders for their use (Canada and the Canadian govt us not in the chain of command) it will be interesting to see how she jumps.

Hey, Liz! Here's a flaming 10# bag of shit on your doorstep to help you celebrate!

Enjoy your 75th anniversary!

John LGBTQBNY Henry

n.n म्हणाले...

The protesters' frustration was borne from the government threat to force an experimental medical treatment. Not exactly equal or politically congruent ("=") to the cause and effect of socially progressive parades that are well tolerated by the same liberated sects.

Browndog म्हणाले...

Most of the city was untouched by the protest. Street interviews showed residents were close to 50/50 split.

To the Ottawans that 'wanted their city back', you're going to get it. Good and hard. The barricades, fences, 100+ check points, and having to show papers to walk a block to get coffee aren't going away so long as Trudeau stays in power.

Owen म्हणाले...

Mike Sylwester @ 11:53: I think your comment is on topic (file in the bulging folder "Trudeau Double Standards") but it is not exactly new.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

That's a story about the NYT business model, not about the truckers.

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

'The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.'

So you're saying that they're FBI agents and Antifa/BLM?

wendybar म्हणाले...


Mike Sylwester said...

This comment of mine might be off topic, but I still want to remark that Trudeau supported similar protests in India.

He also is condemning CUBA for doing in 2021 exactly what HE is doing today to his own people. He is more like his Daddy than everyone thinks
Dictators usually stick together!!!

....https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article258453658.html

Maynard म्हणाले...

Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest. The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.

Does this troll ever wonder who drove all those trucks?

tim maguire म्हणाले...

It’s pretty meaningful that most Canadians support the trucker’s issues, yet most Canadians oppose the truckers. The tactic of shutting down roads and making people’s lives even more difficult will not draw in a lot of new supporters.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Tank said...

The New York Times is not a legitimate news organization. What reason is there to believe anything in this article?

The only thing this article provides is a window into what the Oligarch who owns the Times wants his peons to think.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

In my estimation it is correct that the majority of Canadians are against the truckers. The average Canadian; not including Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, care little for freedom. They just want to be cool, like the EU.

heyboom म्हणाले...

I'd bet anything that a large portion of the Canadian population haven't gotten the real story of what is actually going on. They're probably buying the false notion of extreme violence occurring. The media is doing an effective job of lying about and vilifying the protestors.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

@Michael K. (11:14), your wife's son's rhetoric stirred a recollection in my mind, but it took me a while to recollect the antecedent.

Edmund Pettus Bridge, Selma, Alabama. March 7, 1965, almost precisely 57 years ago. How dare these riff raff colored people, oops, I meant truckers, bring their complaints and grievances out into the open and thereby inconvenience the good people of Alabama, I mean Ottawa, with their complaints?

Yup, the analogies go right down to police officers clubbing the protestors. I've seen it all before.

retail lawyer म्हणाले...

If you live in the capital city of a democracy, don't you expect disruptions and inconvenience? You know . . . vibrancy, urbanity, all that stuff, as civilization and policy works itself out.

M म्हणाले...

So to give an example of the average Canadian citizen’s opinion on this matter they quoted a “senior fellow at the Center for International Governance Innovation, a Canadian public policy group“. Lol. Ok. Are Canucks dumb enough to fall for that absurd level of propaganda and bubble thinking? How sad.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

@Althouse, just in case you want to read different takes on the same topic, here are a few things that might challenge your preconceptions:

A thoughtful Canadian journalist looks at the end of the protest with both satisfaction but also trepidation. "But while there is relief at the apparent end of the protest, there is no jubilation. Rather, there is a feeling of profound sadness and trepidation for the future." Later he writes "These protesters are not our enemies; they are our neighbours and even family members. They have been made to feel they do not belong in our society and that has to change if we are not to see more dangerous and determined resistance in future."

Victor Davis Hanson says that "Canada is now governed by absurdism."

And Bari Weiss has a guest article by David Sacks noting that Canada has now unilaterally, and without debate or discussion implemented a social credit system that has created a caste of economic untouchables.

Just in case you are interested in a variety of viewpoints.

bobby म्हणाले...

Canada is one of the most woke, progressive, masked-up Karenish countries in the world. They overwhelmingly support vax mandates.

50%+ of all Canadians live clustered along the US border over our Northeast corridor. They are more like US big-city liberals than anything else.

This demonstration has been very unpopular with most of Canada.

We can allude to some simmering undercurrent of support for the truckers' cause, but it ain't there.

Canada is lost.

Jim at म्हणाले...

Did it ever occur to these people that all Trudeau had to do was talk to the truckers and see what came of it?

अनामित म्हणाले...

"Second, if I were to bring a swastika flag or a confederate flag to a largely liberal rally, would it ever, in a billion years, get reported?"

Search back to the Scott Walker protests. Nazi flag got reported by right-leaning outlets then, as well as photoed and discussed here multiple times.

Howard म्हणाले...

The vast majority of Canadian truckers don't support these crazy conspiracy nutters because it detracts from the real bread and butter issues they face like long hours, low wages, working conditions etc. The vaccine bullshit is just a bunch of crybabies who want attention and has nothing to do with the Trucking industry. You people are pathetic enablers.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

"And though there were pockets of sympathy for the protesters’ frustration with pandemic rules, the bulk of Canadians resented their tactics and wanted them to go home surveys show. In Ottawa, residents were angry that the authorities took so long to act."

So, a bunch of gov't sucks in Ottawa wanted them to go. BFD

Beyond that? "Surveys"? By who? What were the questions they asked?

How many wanted the gov't to go the Trudeau tyranny route?

And how many, in a country where the fascists in Ottawa were threatening to destroy the lives of anyone who disagreed with them, were going to tell some random caller that "I'm opposed to teh gov't,a nd would like you to destroy my life, too"?

Owen म्हणाले...

tim mcguire @ 12:55: "It’s pretty meaningful that most Canadians support the trucker’s issues, yet most Canadians oppose the truckers. The tactic of shutting down roads and making people’s lives even more difficult will not draw in a lot of new supporters."

My guess is, this was Round 1. Truckers playing nice and minimizing the disruption to other travelers and even to Ottawa residents. Round 2 will see truckers taking time off: their rig needs work, they have daycare duty, maybe they have a touch of *cough* Trudeau Flu *cough*. Nothing illegal going on; just a failure to go the extra mile or take the extra shift. The roads won't be blocked but they won't be much traveled by trucks, either.

And if people complain about shortages --every city is just nine meals from anarchy-- the truckers may well answer them with the slogan made famous by the authorities when Covid first hit: "we're all in this together."

Pass the popcorn.

Static Ping म्हणाले...

"There were elements of right wing extremism tied to the protests around the country, where Confederate, QAnon and Trump flags had cropped up."

And the story loses 100% of its credibility at this point.

It is the NYT so there was not much credibility to be had, but nonetheless.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Howard said...
Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest. The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.

It's time for another round of "Stupid, or Dishonest?"

1: None of the Canadian truckers liked the paperwork Trudeau was forcing on them
2: Even the one who've gotten teh shots have to worry about the moving goalposts. When do they have to get a "booster"? How many "boosters" will they have to get over the next year in order to stay in business?
3: We can tell how unpopular the truckers were, by all the massive counter-protests they faced.

Oh, wait, there weren't ANY counter-protests of any size, because it's the opponents of the truckers who are finger nutters

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Freder Frederson said...
> Why did they not interview the Ottawa police chief that resigned?
> The one that refused to unleash the police on peaceful protestors?

This statement is a bit of a stretch. Seems like he was forced to resign because he fucked up the response.


Why yes, he refused to send the police out to harass people who were engaging in their rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights, and were doing it in a way that Trudeau was applauding just last year.

Yes, when you're on the left, respecting the law and opposing gov't hypocrisy are pretty much the definition of "fucking up"

Do you ever get tired of the slime you bathe in?

Bilwick म्हणाले...

I wouldn't be surprised. I used to be managing editor of a magazine, and the letters we got from Canadians were almost laughable in their servility and their astonishment at what they probably saw as our Yank "anarchism," Their attitude seemed to be, "If our betters don't expressly allow it, it should be forbidden." I used to think, "No wonder they didn't join us in rebelling against George III."

Jupiter म्हणाले...

Althouse, haven't you gathered enough data on the situation at NYT and WaPo? I understand your notion, that these organizations are large and influential, and therefore worthy of study. Besides, you already wasted the money on subscriptions, you might as well get some blogposts out of it (sunk costs fallacy?). But how many times do you need to demonstrate that lying liars who always lie are lying? That's tautological. Aren't there other publications worthy of scrutiny? If you insist on continuing to flog the rotting corpses of these two once-plausible publications, at least offer some new insight. Who are these liars? What lies do they tell? When do they tell them? I guess we know where they lie, and how they lie - like a rug. Extra credit; Why do they lie?

Mark म्हणाले...

Embargo Canada.

Mike Petrik म्हणाले...

I agree with the Canadians who are sympathetic to the truckers' grievances but are unsympathetic with their tactics. Civil disobedience should be limited to disobeying unjust laws. Disobeying just laws in order to achieve justice is oxymoronic. Occupy type movements are almost always resented by ordinary people who are on the receiving end of inconvenience.

Lazarus म्हणाले...

Canada's equivalent of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" or "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" is "Peace, Order, and Good Government." There's a longing up there for a quiet, orderly, uneventful life. The recent turn of liberalism in the US towards valuing security and obedience over freedom is something that has a longer history in Canada. The Prairie Provinces are different, but even there, government was a stronger presence than in the US and settlers recognized that they couldn't get away from it, so they became more psychologically dependent on the government.

But a polls taken about two weeks ago reported that almost half of Canadians were in sympathy with the truckers. Has propaganda changed minds so fast? Did people just get tired of the ruckus and want it to end? Were the polls -- or the Times reporting -- faulty?

Gospace म्हणाले...

Wow! The first link to lewrockwell I’ve seen in well over a year from any blog I frequent. Wasn’t even aware it was still around. And Naomi Wolf? I was vaguely aware of her and one of the first few Bing search results pretty much referred to her as a former feminist icon to conspiracy nutter. No place to comment on the lewrockwell site or I’d have commented that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees nothing, no rights, no freedoms, nothing. When the opening paragraph states that the “guaranteed” rights and freedoms are subject only to such reasonable limits as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society it’s saying nothing is guaranteed. A democratic society-50% plus one can negate the rights of everyone else. As can a parliamentary decision, or apparently even a prime minister’s edict as he assumes his role as Dictator extraordinaire.

Gospace म्हणाले...

Forgot to add, Naomi Wolf has a substack: naomiwolf.substack.com

Jon Burack म्हणाले...

Someone else commented on this and mentioned Vietnam.

"I can’t remember the last time a mass protest led to any significant policy change in the United States."

No need to go back to Vietnam. The summer of 2020 riots massively shifted policing policy in many US cities, to the destruction of hundreds (maybe thousands) of more lives in street crime than would otherwise have been the case, plus fueling an enormous diversion of attention from actual issues facing the nation to the bogus issue of systemic racism -- to the detriment especially of poor and minority urban populations, but all of us as well.

Dagwood म्हणाले...

"Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest."

In other words, they're clueless sheeple. Just like Howard.

n.n म्हणाले...

"Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest."

So, assuming a correlation between vaccinated and immune, they reached and exceeded community immunity, then why does the government mandate by force the progress of an experimental medical treatment? Roe, Roe, Roe your baby... self down the river Styx.

n.n म्हणाले...

"Peace, Order, and Good Government."

Take a knee, beg, good boy, girl, whatever.

n.n म्हणाले...

They should hold a protester parade, and include a pride of lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Howard said...

The vast majority of Canadian truckers don't support these crazy conspiracy nutters because it detracts from the real bread and butter issues they face like long hours, low wages, working conditions etc. The vaccine bullshit is just a bunch of crybabies who want attention and has nothing to do with the Trucking industry. You people are pathetic enablers

The fascist piece of shit sticks his head up to tell us the government is right to beat people and steal their bank accounts if he disagrees with them.

Don't touch his actually violent BLM allies though. The founders of BLM need a few more mansions.

And his Pfizer/Moderna Lords need a few more billion dollars.

Michael K म्हणाले...

Howard said...
Canadian truckers are aboot 90% vaccinated and opposed this protest. The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.


Howard thinks there are "January 6 type tourists." This is a real conspiracy theory. Do you think that any American who was arrested would not be displayed like a champion size fish ? January 6, or rather Nancy Pelosi's script for Jan 6 was Trudeau's model. He tried very hard to provoke the truckers into violence that would justify his stormtrooper response. He was unsuccessful and so unleashed his storm troopers anyway.

Howard is going to explain why didn't see anybody opposing the truckers. They were secretly disapproving but too lazy to go out in that cold weather.

Your team, that is BLM and ANTIFA, prefer summer for demonstrations and looting and arson. No risk of frostbite.

Kay म्हणाले...

Jon Burack said...
Someone else commented on this and mentioned Vietnam.

"I can’t remember the last time a mass protest led to any significant policy change in the United States."

No need to go back to Vietnam. The summer of 2020 riots massively shifted policing policy in many US cities, to the destruction of hundreds (maybe thousands) of more lives in street crime than would otherwise have been the case, plus fueling an enormous diversion of attention from actual issues facing the nation to the bogus issue of systemic racism -- to the detriment especially of poor and minority urban populations, but all of us as well.

2/21/22, 3:58 PM


Ending the war in Vietnam was a major policy change, but it happened a long time before I was born. The other example doesn’t seem like a very big shift in policy considering the size of the protests/riots/etc.

Dude1394 म्हणाले...

It is the NYTimes, it’s cherry picked bull****.

Howard म्हणाले...

Blogger Achilles said...
The fascist piece of shit sticks his head up to tell us the government is right to beat people and steal their bank accounts if he disagrees with them.

Don't touch his actually violent BLM allies though. The founders of BLM need a few more mansions.

And his Pfizer/Moderna Lords need a few more billion dollars.


More lies like the horse trampling story implanted in your lizard brain by Putin. You are a traitor and in five years when faced with your crimes you will blubber regret like every single stinking entitled lower upper middle class January Sixer busted for insurrection.

I'm just kidding 🤣. In five years you will deny ever being a QTrumper. That's assuming the Democrats approve ketamine treatment. Whatever you do, Alex, don't watch Clockwork Orange.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"the bulk of Canadians resented their tactics and wanted them to go home..."

I don't have my finger on the Canadian pulse, but I assumed this throughout.

Trudeau is just refining the tyranny of the majority, and the majority likes it.

It also exposes the flaw in right-wing reporting on the issue, which displayed wishful thinking. The working class rising up! That'll teach them! Trudeau is losing it! etc. etc.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Howard said...
The vast majority of Canadian truckers don't support these crazy conspiracy nutters because it detracts from the real bread and butter issues they face like long hours, low wages, working conditions etc. The vaccine bullshit is just a bunch of crybabies who want attention and has nothing to do with the Trucking industry. You people are pathetic enablers.

Yeah, when I want to know what Canadian truckers are feeling, Howard is definitely the place I go to get the straight dope.

After all, he is a Canadian trucker, right?

Howard म्हणाले...

Do any of you geniuses even know how to tie a truckers hitch?

Kai Akker म्हणाले...

NYT gets its story: "Yawohl, we WANT to be Nazied!"

effinayright म्हणाले...

Mike Petrik said...
I agree with the Canadians who are sympathetic to the truckers' grievances but are unsympathetic with their tactics. Civil disobedience should be limited to disobeying unjust laws. Disobeying just laws in order to achieve justice is oxymoronic. Occupy type movements are almost always resented by ordinary people who are on the receiving end of inconvenience.
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.what "just law" are you referring to?

and....is taking away the money, property and livelihood of peaceful protesters also the result of "just laws"?

Mason G म्हणाले...

"The democrat party has always been about setting up a two tier economy with wealthy and poor."

See: California

Michael K म्हणाले...

Canada's Parliament has just voted to extend Trudeau's tyranny. n So much for freedom.

Paul म्हणाले...

The Truckers can go home... and come to the USA under visa regulations (green card.)

Just don't drive goods to Canada anymore. Let Prime Minister #BlackfaceHitlerCastro, I mean Trudeau, and his RCMP goons drive them.

Paul म्हणाले...

Boycott Canada!! Don't buy a damn thing from them.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Paul said...
The Truckers can go home... and come to the USA under visa regulations (green card.)
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I believe there is a question about arrests in the application

better to do it as refugee from persecution >>> though Biden may send them to wait in Mexico!

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-liberal-mp-mused-voting-against-emergencies-act-1.5790250

So, Trudeau has made teh vote on his invocation of teh "Emergencies Act" a "confidence vote.

Which means that if it fails, the government falls, and they have new elections.

Which means Trudeau is worried that enough people from his own Party are appalled by what he did to vote it down, unless it was made a confidence vote,

One example of the reason why he did that:
Since the convoy blockading Ottawa streets had been broken up, Erskine-Smith said he didn’t think the measures were still necessary, but he ultimately sided with the government to avoid a non-confidence vote.

“I’m skeptical that the strict legal test was met for the act’s invocation and I’m not convinced that the Emergencies Act measures should exist beyond today,” Erskine-Smith said.

“I would vote accordingly but for the fact that it is now a confidence vote. The disagreement I’ve expressed does not amount to non-confidence, and I have no interest in an election at this time,” he said.

Erskine-Smith was among many MPs that expressed doubt or opposed the invocation of the Emergencies Act in debate on Monday, but it was a rare observation from a member of the governing party. A required vote on whether to keep the act in place is set for Monday night.


Trudeau needs votes from other Parties, because his Party doesn't have the 170 votes needed.

As Trudeau hasn't formed a coalition government, the only thing binding MPs to vote for him is fi they're concerned that they'd lose in a new election.

So the current media BS pushing "oh, the voters hate the truckers" is an attempt to threaten any of those who are planning on voting against him, that if they win they'll have to go to a hostile electorate

Sadly, his gamble paid off

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Mike Petrik said...
I agree with the Canadians who are sympathetic to the truckers' grievances but are unsympathetic with their tactics. Civil disobedience should be limited to disobeying unjust laws.

1: It's not even a law, because it was never passed by Parliament
2: It's entirely unjust. There is absolutely no public health / scientific justification for Covid "vaccine" mandates of any sort. It's been true since at least September of 21 that there is NO correlation between a location's "Covid vaccination rate" and the Covid case rate.

Since the shots don't prevent people from spreading Covid, and mass "vaccination" doesn't slow the spread of teh disease, the only reason to issue such demands is because you're an authoritarian thug.

That's the Platonic ideal of an "unjust law"

Jesse म्हणाले...

Well. I think that Justin and the Liberals and NDP have nothing but the best interests of our country at heart. The passing of the Emergency Measures Act and it possible enforcement on bank accounts of dissenters has nothing to do with my support.

wildswan म्हणाले...

The Liberals led by Trudeau are the left and the NDP are the more left. The Liberals were kept in power in this vote by their NDP allies. Now understand that the NDP was formed as an alliance between labor and the left. So this was the left and the farther left crushing the workers. The idea Canadian leftys have is that a socialist government can do no wrong. A socialist government must not be brought down. And you can see the American socialist supporters on the blog leaping to defend their fellow socialists up in Canada. "Oh, these "truckers" weren't really truckers, not really workers, not really Canadians, probably Americans who crossed the border which is wrong." Meanwhile, the Conservatives who supported the truckers gained 10 points in the polls.
Every Easter half of Canada flies down to Florida to get some sun. If Canadians sincerely support the vaccine and mask mandates and the Emergency Powers Act to force on those mandates they won't go to Florida this year because Florida is unmasked with no vaccine mandates. But I think we'll see three-quarters of Canada on its way down there this year. I think they'll be notorious party people. Among them will be Justin - fleeing his cold hell like all the rest. He'll hide out on a private beach. He'll make the help mask but he won't mask. He'll swim, enjoy himself, laugh as he thinks about how the left is back there in Ottawa, shoveling lies like snow to make him look good.

Crazy World म्हणाले...

Rip oh Canada 🇨🇦

cyrus83 म्हणाले...

The de-banking power grab may be more than Trudeau bargains for. Now there has to be a decision on whether to leave corporate funds in Canada and risk that there might be a freeze on them at inconvenient times, or get those funds out of Canada.

Did some employee donate to the truckers or criticize the government? Will the government punish the employer unless they fire such employees? Did a vendor or a client donate and will that be taken out on the other party doing business with them?

I was already having serious doubts about the Canadian banking system when wires started getting held up months ago for "suspicious" activity that were regular and ongoing payments to vendors with which we had a history of paying. At this point I think it would be foolish for any business to place any trust in the Canadian banking system or keep any funds there beyond what they need for payroll and operating overhead.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

cyrus83 said...
The de-banking power grab may be more than Trudeau bargains for.
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to force this issue : what if donors self-doxx? hang it out all? instead of trying to be anonymous?

farmgirl म्हणाले...

“The majority of the protesters are not even actual truckers, just conspiracy nutters and January 6th type tourists.”

All those miles of rigs?
Tony’s toys.

Howard. You are seriously on the wrong side of history. When will you ever decide to add support to the working man?
Nah- never mind. You’re all mind games and unlinkable bull.

cyrus83 म्हणाले...

@Narayanan

Why self-doxx when the system can be collapsed with a bank run? Due to fractional reserve banking, banks cannot pay out in cash more than a small fraction of the deposits they hold. The system only survives so long as a near-unanimous majority of the public trusts the banks as a safe store of their money. If this goes as badly as I think, currency controls and withdrawal/transaction limits are probably coming soon.

On a sidenote, this is why governments want to do away with cash - an all-digital model takes away the ability to break free of a bank. Couple that with the ability to freeze accounts if you aren't an obedient citizen and other restrictions on what people can do with their money and you have a bureaucrat's wet dream.

ccscientist म्हणाले...

The NYT wants to smear the truckers with the claim that there were some Trump and confederate flags but never mention all the communist flags at Antifa riots. Of course these two symbols of badness make no sense in Canada--confederate flags? Really? They were waving canada flags--show me an Antifa riot waving american flags.
But even if you did not like the views of the convoy, freezing bank accounts for giving them coffee or giving $40? Way way over the top repression. This can ruin people. Can't pay rent or buy groceries. Can't even cash a check if you get one.

Rusty म्हणाले...

Re; The nazi and confederate flags in Ottawa.
The interwebs are forever. Funny thing. This is probably the most live streamed protest in history. Anybody with a Youtube channel in Canada was live streaming this protest at all hours of the day. The individual with the flags. Two flags two different times same guy with a full face covering. Lo! The photographer filming the flag," incedents" was a member of Trudeaus staff.
Now just for fun. Watch the parliamentary debate on the emergency act and insert 'Jew" for protester. It scans perfectly.
Fun times.

farmgirl म्हणाले...

I have to have a kid of mine disable spellcheck. It ruins everything.
I had said Tonka toys.

Honestly.