Said the Madison judge, the Wisconsin State Journal reports.
Circuit Judge Ellen Berz said the sentence [8 years] for Treveon Thurman was the first time outside a homicide or child sexual assault case that she had ever sentenced someone to prison for their first adult convictions....
Thurman, 20, pleaded guilty... to charges in eight of the 26 felony cases... four counts of operating a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent, two counts of taking and driving a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent and two counts of second-degree reckless endangerment....
Thurman would sometimes broadcast live video of himself while speeding around the Madison area in stolen cars, sometimes showing the speedometer at speeds over 100 mph. In one instance he broadcast himself going about 140 mph in a stolen car.
The audacity of that live broadcasting — at 140 miles per hour! — says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order. This person ought to have been stopped much sooner. We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger.
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This same judge let him out on bail before.
He was a danger then, too.
The judge should resign.
“But Berz said that wasn’t enough, and said, in essence, that Thurman had burned her trust in him after she had reduced his bail earlier, when the jail population was being reduced as a countermeasure to COVID-19 spread.
Within hours of his release, Thurman had broken Berz’s order that he remain at home at all times and was committing new crimes involving stolen cars.”
What a fine upstanding young man. You should have included his mug shot so we could all enjoy the full experience.
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Well, start holding Back the Blue rallies, offer your expertise to the local Sheriff, find some good judicial candidates, and vote Republican -- not Democrat, not anti police libertarian.
You can become a volunteer deputy too.
AA: "We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Let me fix that for you:
"We, as leftists who equate our utopian fantasies to reality, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
"We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Nope, people who call themselves liberals have nurtured this. For decades.
Cannonball Run...
Neutrality is indeed cruel sometimes.
And so they nollo proseced the other 18 cases. If you or I did this once, we'd rot in prison.
Here's a chance to relive the civil right era: equal law for everyone.
The audacity of that live broadcasting — at 140 miles per hour! — says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order. This person ought to have been stopped much sooner. We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger.
There are very good reasons why you don't want to initiate a chase against someone driving so recklessly. Every police car you add to the chase increases the chance that the police will accidentally crash into an innocent bystander.
They caught him and sentenced him to 8 years in jail. What else do you want?
Judge Berz gives one free rape? Apparently only if it is an adult victim
Seems like Madison has to look at more than their passive attitude toward felonious driving.
A construction company project manager who was staying in Madison for work at Veterans Hospital, was struck in his vehicle at 55 mph by Thurman, who had been going 85 mph in a stolen car on Mineral Point Road at Glenway Street. A veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, he was never injured while in the Air Force but because of the crash he now has a metal rod in one of his legs and a lifelong disability.
“I fully believe he should spend the next few years thinking it over in prison,” the man said. “Maybe use the time to become a productive member of society.”
Good luck with that. I'd guess this guy will never be rehabilitated. He will end up killing someone or worse after he's let out on parole. He will also likely impregnate several women - causing them to abort or have another fatherless child born into poverty. (or worse - born with the side-effects of drug use)
I'm not saying this because he happens to be black - I'm saying this because this is the culture we allow. Yes -this is the culture we asked for and nurtured. **Get angry and take what doesn't belong to you. It's the democratic way.
Hunter leads the way.
"The audacity of that live broadcasting — at 140 miles per hour! — says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order."
Certainly. But it also says something about the perpetrator. What could it be?
"This person ought to have been stopped much sooner."
But he wasn't. And not just because Madison placed a low value on keeping order.
"We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Ah, "we." Sure. But somehow the outrageous danger seems to have been nurtured most in a particular segment of the community.
The nice women of America have yet to face up to facts that are not so nice. As long as they don't, "we, as a community" won't change, and those facts will keep mugging them.
Thurman's only mistake was in making the videos. If you let everything else be equal in this story, but eliminate that one factor-the video making, and the judge gives him probation 100% guaranteed. In short, Thurman made it impossible for the judge to let him go free.
I for one welcome the new tough-on-crime era, if I haven’t been to Madison in years.
Speaking to the “very heart of his identity” I have relatives in WV. That branch of the family were some of the first British people that far West at that time. WV has never been a fully Dem state, in fact as all school children used to be taught it was CREATED as a Rep state. In the forty elections WV has participated in since its split from Virginia, West Virginia is evenly divided between Rep and Dem. They have voted Rep in the last six presidential elections.
I find it amusing that Mr.Osnos would try to call into question a West Virginian’s credibility of connection when Osnos is not even an American, let alone from WV. WV shifted left because of Unions. West Virginia has woken up to the Dems abandoning the working man.
He's the first one she ever sent to prison? Looks like Madison needs sentencing guidelines. My Americans worship Judges I have no idea. Anyway, going 140 MPH on a Freeway, can be dangerous or not. Depends on Time of Day, Traffic, Etc. I've gone 120 MPH, but that was on a deserted 2 lane Highway in the Mojave Desert. With zero traffic.
I'm in Madison, but not part of the "we". Not a single decision-maker in place has had my vote. The "real Madison" we needs to take note.
He's going to jail but will still pass go and collect $200, right?
"We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Well, that'll get you kicked out of Progressive Dane.
If the civil government can't keep order, the citizenry will. But a lot of people won't like that, so get the civil government back to keeping order.
All of the crimes occurred in 2019 and 2020, starting when he was 17.
Thurman would sometimes broadcast live video of himself while speeding around the Madison area in stolen cars ...
madison.com
Why did it take so long to catch the guy?
maybe, if they'd arrested and convicted him... For the 1st felony....
There wouldn't have BEEN the other 25 felonies ?
Maybe Then, he Wouldn't have had to go to prison?
"We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Well, the people who support the progressive politicians who enable it, anyway. No doubt, there are those who are opposed to "this outrageous danger", whose thoughts about how to curtail it would be rejected as racist and so, have been ignored.
We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger.
It’s who you are. Own it.
Please define "we".
>"four counts of operating a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent, two counts of taking and driving a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent"<
Did these people never learn the words "car" and "theft," or what?
"The audacity of that live broadcasting — at 140 miles per hour! — says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order.
Maybe. But mostly it says he's a goddamned idiot.
I agree with the view taken in the last paragraph of this post, but I am distracted by another issue. We are told that this criminal pleaded guilty to “four counts of operating a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent, two counts of taking and driving a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent”. So apparently there is some distinction in law between operating a motor vehicle and driving a motor vehicle. I don’t know what that could be, and this seems to a non-lawyer to be just the kind of quibbling distinction that everywhere brings lawyers into disrepute. However that may be in this case, I do think it is a matter of fundamental justice that in criminal prosecutions, identical or nearly identical actions should be charged the same way. Writing indictments should not be a creative writing exercise. The very wide latitude the government seems to have, to charge the same actions differently, sometimes very differently, and also to charge the same action multiple times under different labels, even when an action is clearly one particular type of crime, is destructive to justice and respect for the law.
"The audacity of that live broadcasting — at 140 miles per hour! — says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order."
Lots of slow learners in that university town, it seems. To borrow from NYC's earlier bout of slow learning, the only way for the lesson to sink in is to mug them again, and again and again. Eventually, the bulb will go off, the light will shine and the exceedingly slow learners who constitute the powers-that-be in that lefty utopia will see what's staring them in the face. Or not, in which case, get used to the mugging.
Yet, the same Madison / Dane County “community” (and in San Fran, LA, Philly, Chicago, Milwaukee, et. al.) has lectured the rest of us who prefer law and order, safe communities, and back law enforcement officers that too many people, particularly minorities, are being sent to prison. Hmmm, maybe the “woke” who live in Madison / Dane County are actually finally waking up to the reality that these repeat offenders need to be taken off the street for the safety of the greater community since they keep reoffending without meaningful consequences. The people in prison are there for being serious dangers to the community, not for being serial jaywalkers.
I bet this is the part of the story that AA liked best: "Berz structured a complex sentence that will keep Thurman in prison for eight years". Imagine structuring words into a complex sentence that imprisons the listener for 8 years.
As his first victim in this spree that started in June 2019, I completely agree with your sentiments. I stated something similar in my victim impact statements. More could have and should have been done, while he was technically 'monitored', after he broke into our home and stole my purse and SUV. Monitoring was so ineffective and more families suffered because of it. More needs to be done at the policy level. I appreciate seeing this on your blog. Thank you.
he could seek pardon/commutation from Governor?!
will your Governor have suitable words in response?
Joyriding in the 70's. Did he kill or hurt anyone?
“... says something about the low value Madison has placed on keeping order.”
Actually, all that needs to be said is that Madison is run by Democrats.
We know Bill Clinton raped three Democrat women, but he hasn't heard these words. We know Hillary Clinton - for five years - made the entire world think our President, and existence itself, was other than how it was, but (while only a few connected to her Russia Hoax have) she still hasn't heard these words. These are American ethics.
A stolen car joyrider - he gets the book, as an example of justice.
We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger.
Amen.
was the first time outside a homicide or child sexual assault case that she had ever sentenced someone to prison for their first adult convictions....
Here is one of the problems - nothing save homicide or child sexual assault gets any prison time? Not rape, not armed robbery, arson, assault and battery, drug dealing, etc.? What lesson do those so (un)sentenced learn from this judge?
A paragraph from near the end of the article, that should have been included in the very first paragraph:
"A construction company project manager who was staying in Madison for work at Veterans Hospital was struck in his vehicle at 55 mph by Thurman, who had been going 85 mph in a stolen car on Mineral Point Road at Glenway Street. A veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, he was never injured while in the Air Force but BECAUSE OF THE CRASH HE NOW HAS A METAL ROD IN ONE OF HIS LEGS AND A LIFELONG DISABILITY." (emphasis added)
The fact that the defendant CRASHED CARS INTO PEOPLE is no doubt the main reason he went to jail for as long of a term as he did. The headline and bulk of the article lead people to believe that he got eight years in prison for recklessly joyriding and speeding. He hurt people!
So typical of a Madistan judge to have to continually relearn basic lessons. Such as a reduction of bail causes more crime.
Look both ways twice before you cross a street in Madistan, Ms. Althouse. Statistically speaking, there are many more unrepentant felons driving the roads, if this judge is typical of the Dane county judiciary.
Darrell Brooks could not be reached for comment,
We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
Yes indeed. Voting Left, especially hard Left today results in this kind of lawless behavior. I don't know of any city that has a Republican DA along with the city council and mayorship with these kind of problems.
The posted quotes from the article leave out the fact that Thurman hit a guy at 55 mph and crippled him. There is also information in the full article about Thurman skipping bail.
Embedded in the article is a video titled "This is Why Car Theft Is Soaring And How To Prevent It". The reasons for increase car theft in recent years given in the video are as follow:
Scarcity of New/Used cars
Unemployment rate
Shutdown of many outreach programs
Frustration and anger with society
So, basically saying that increased car theft is due to greater society, not principally due to the thief's personal motivations. Nothing about lax or missing support for law enforcement (no pursuit orders, etc.) or setting bail too low. Thurman was 17 years old when his spree began - I wonder which of the above reasons from the video this 17 year-old identified with the most... unemployment? Scarcity of cars in the salesrooms? I'm sure it had nothing to do with how easy it is to get away with this behavior in today's law enforcement environment!
Sure, but first, he's got to go to the prom ...
Peter Spieker said...
We are told that this criminal pleaded guilty to “four counts of operating a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent,
two counts of taking and driving a motor vehicle without the owner’s consent”.
apparently there is some distinction in law between operating a motor vehicle and driving a motor vehicle
the first two are "operating" the others are "TAKING and driving
neither are Grand Theft Auto.
I happen to know for a fact; If you leave your keys in the car, it's not GTA
I'm assuming that none of these were GTA.
Maybe one had the keys in it and another the keys were on the table at the crack house?
OR, he HAD a set of keys, but Wasn't 'supposed' to be driving it THEN
“ There are very good reasons why you don't want to initiate a chase against someone driving so recklessly.”
That’s the only method you can think of and after that, you give up? Pathetic!
1464A TAKING AND DRIVING A (VEHICLE) (COMMERCIAL MOTOR
VEHICLE) WITHOUT THE OWNER’S CONSENT: DRIVING OR
OPERATING WITHOUT THE OWNER’S CONSENT AS A LESSER
INCLUDED OFFENSE – § 943.23(2), (2g) AND (3)
If you are satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that all three elements of this offense have
been proved, you should find the defendant guilty of the charged crime.
If you are not so satisfied, you must find the defendant not guilty of taking and driving a
vehicle without the owner’s consent, and you should consider whether the defendant is guilty of
driving or operating a vehicle without the owner’s consent in violation of § 943.23 (3) of the
Criminal Code of Wisconsin, which is a lesser included offense of the charged crime
And, then there is 943.23 Operating vehicle without owner's consent.
To sustain a conviction for operating a car without the owner's consent, it is not necessary that the driver be the person who actually took the car. Edwards v. State, 46 Wis. 2d 249, 174 N.W.2d 269 (1970).
I just want to Thank YOU, Professor Althouse!
You (and your blog) make me think about the LEGAL side of issues
I used to always just leave That to my lawyers :)
We, as a community, have nurtured this outrageous danger."
One punchline is- "What do you mean we, paleface?"
Ann, you know nothing about his prior juvenile record. Nor do I.
I do know this: for such a tough sentence (which used to be a normal sentence), I'd bet my last dime he has a violent recidivist juvenile sentece.
So what is really pathetic is that the public does not get to see his entire criminal record.
You jog and your husband bikes. If one of you were killed by this thug, how would your mariage survivor feel finding out he'd been sprung multiple times for similar crimes?
Real question. You do him the opposite of a favor for advocating for him.
Nothing works but consequences.
Are you sure it was 'we, the community' that nurtured this lawlessness, Judge? Did you try Trump or climate change or white privilege to ameliorate 'our' guilt?
The Melanin Privilege.
Holding minorities to lower standards than others is a form of racism.
Agreeing that the answer to too many minorities in jail is to not send them to jail is a form of self-hatred, or an expression of revolutionary Marxism.
Setting rules and then not enforcing them is entrapment of those who would choose against a crime but choose crime on the basis of a cost-benefit analysis. It robs people of good reasons to abide laws.
Just as in raising children, experience shows the best course of action is to set limits and enforce them.
Turns out you can get arrested in Philadelphia if you carjack a Democrat Congresswoman's car.
So he also hit and crippled a man? And committed at least one home invasion? Why no aggravated charges for that? As usual, the cops caught him, but the moron of a judge, who releases sex offenders for Christ's sake if they're under 17, cut him loose previously and now didn't sentence him for almost killing a man. He should be charged with home invasion and attempted murder, enhanced for recidivism, juvenile record should be exposed, and receive no less than 30 years.
That nasty piece of work judge should be disbarred. The only people responsible here are the criminal, the possibly underperforming prosecutors, the judge, and every single person who voted for her. And never think someone starts committing crimes at 17. That's just when we gain the right to see them.
Dingbat liberals have enabled this behavior. People pretending to be "intellectuals" who are real navel-gazing narcissists enabled this.
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