October 28, 2021

"At a retail business based in New York, managers were distressed to encounter young employees who wanted paid time off when coping with anxiety or period cramps."

"At a supplement company, a Gen Z worker questioned why she would be expected to clock in for a standard eight-hour day when she might get through her to-do list by the afternoon. At a biotech venture, entry-level staff members delegated tasks to the founder. And spanning sectors and start-ups, the youngest members of the work force have demanded what they see as a long overdue shift away from corporate neutrality toward a more open expression of values, whether through executives displaying their pronouns on Slack or putting out statements in support of the protests for Black Lives Matter.... At many businesses, Gen Z employees are given increasing leeway to drive internal culture, too. Emily Fletcher, 42, who runs Ziva Meditation, noticed that at her company retreat the junior people were the ones who were most comfortable stretching the bounds of what is considered professional conversation.... 'They celebrate human emotion, instead of having an outdated framework of what corporate should be,' Ms. Fletcher said. Her company culture has relaxed even more, she added, since the departure of her oldest employee, who was 48. 'Now everyone feels safe to be a little more weird.'"

From "The 37-Year-Olds Are Afraid of the 23-Year-Olds Who Work for Them/Twenty-somethings rolling their eyes at the habits of their elders is a longstanding trend, but many employers said there’s a new boldness in the way Gen Z dictates taste" by Emma Goldberg (NYT)

40 comments:

Michael K said...

This might explain it.

What's emanating from your penumbra said...

Pew Study: White Liberals Disproportionately Suffer From Mental Illness.

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/mock-n-rob/pew-study-white-liberals-disproportionately-suffer-from-mental-illness/

Balfegor said...

As a partner in a law firm, I worry about young attorneys with this kind of attitude deciding to breach confidentiality because they personally disapprove of one of our clients. I am sure the vast majority would never seriously consider betraying client confidences, but my impression is that the risk on the margins is shooting way up.

PM said...

Well, my generation bugged the crap out of WWII and Korean vets.
We blew 'em off, grew long hair and lit a joint.
I'd recommend option C to Gen Ys.

Lurker21 said...

“I myself must also say I believe it is true that in the end humanitarianism will triumph; only I fear that at the same time the world will be one big hospital and each person will be the other person's humane keeper.”

― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Italian Journey

Temujin said...

Yes. That boldness is encouraged by the lack of accountability through most of their lives. While standards and respect have been set aside, an anything is fine sort of mentality has prevailed. Thus, you get kids running the universities, kids running our media, kids in political office, and now, finally- kids running the corporations.

What could go wrong?

Except that kids want to defund the police, allow homeless encampments, offer heroin shooting sites, allow men to play women so that they can go in women's bathrooms and/or compete in women's athletics. Kids demand higher than market worth wages, end the use of fossil fuels and enter a world driven by wind power (see you in the dark and cold in Europe this winter). Kids demand a removal of any reminder of our history or culture as a nation. An end to the meritocracy and a entry into a color/gender checklist for everything from getting into college to being employed, or getting selected Homecoming Queen. Wrong color or gender? Wrong attitude? Too bad. So sorry.

Kids know nothing. So I'm not angry with the kids. It's the adults I have questions about. Are there any adults left? "Hey...it's my business. You want to work here. This is how we work. We take care of our people, but we have standards. We did not drag you out of your bed in the dark of night to work here. You came to us. Your choice. You looked at our company and decided you wanted to work here. Well...to work here, you follow our standards. And if that doesn't work for you. No sweat. Have a good life and please shut the door on your way out."

Just sayin...

Kai Akker said...

So much affluence has given unusual degrees of freedom, while lowering the expectations for actual work. The 20somethings will do their bit to make the economy weaken and chase away that annoying prosperity.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

"At a supplement company, a Gen Z worker questioned why she would be expected to clock in for a standard eight-hour day when she might get through her to-do list by the afternoon."

Well, if she's clocking in then she's getting paid hourly, so if she can get done early let her clock out early. But she won't be happy when she doesn't get paid for the full eight hours.

Ice Nine said...

>>Gabe Kennedy, 30, founder of the herbal supplement brand Plant People, noticed as he recruited Gen Z employees that some had no interest in the rigid work habits that felt natural to his mostly millennial 10-person team. <<

"Rigid work habits" of Millennials? Is this guy doing a stand-up comedy routine (as anyone who works with Millennials can only suspect)? When your Millennials are the work role model for your noobs and your noobs think that's excessive, you have a major problem, Mr. Kennedy.

gilbar said...

Let's Play Let's Assume!
Let's assume that we raise a herd of little babies, where EACH of them is told
"You're SPECIAL!!!"
and we give them all a trophy for waking up in the morning
(and then, we let Them decide what they're having for breakfast)

If they get bad grades (like an A minus), we call their teachers and complain*.
THEN!
The little babies try to get jobs, where they act the way they were raised....
AND! the little babies are Surprised that their jobs are moved overseas; where Chinese and Korean people are MORE THAN HAPPY to do the jobs.
Does This surprise YOU???


call their teachers and complain* Serious Question, Why is it Okay, for parents to call their teachers and complain about Johnie's grades; but, it's NOT okay for them to ask about course material

gspencer said...

"'Now everyone feels safe to be a little more weird.'"

Great. Is the company a making a profit?

Begonia said...

This may be true at some companies, but it's not at mine. I'm a 43 year old lady who laughs easily. The 20-somethings who report to me on various projects are pretty deferential.

I'm in Madison, but we have staff all over the US. I've worked with 20-somethings from Portland, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Spartanburg...I can't think of a single one who acts like this. They are all eager to please and prove themselves.

Ice Nine said...

>>“‘We can actually do whatever we want and be just as successful.’<<

As goes this manifestly naive attitude, so goes productivity. As goes productivity, so goes the economy. As goes the economy, so go your chances of being "just as successful" as your predecessors...you idiots.

Lucien said...

When the older employees start filing age, and race (white) discrimination and harassment suits, under statutes with one-sided attorney fee provisions, management will figure out that keeping politics out of the office ain’t such a bad thing.

as if.... said...


No that's real good Johny, real good. It's good what you done ....real good,, really good. He was a bad man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTMbIxEj-E

Omaha1 said...

So don't hire college graduates, voila, problem solved.

Owen said...

Inmates, asylum, some assembly required.

Paddy O said...

People are always attentive to what gives them advantages. A small percentage of people are true believers in causes and a small percentage of people are true opponents to those causes. Most everyone else will do whatever gives them an advantage in their situation. That's why so many Germans supported the Nazis, including many clergy and academics. Once the advantage tips a certain direction, the bandwagon fills up. People who used to be vehement Fundamentalists or Prohibitionists 100 years ago, are woke now.

The young employees aren't any different than any other generation, they just know that Woke politics will get them advantages and notice. They are not committed to the companies, but the companies aren't committed to them either, so even if they get fired, they become martyrs for the cause and have better job prospect. Lots of kids in colleges become activists not because they inherently care but because they're building their credentials for woke attentive hiring managers.

The truth is that if most of these same people saw social advantage in joining the KKK, they'd do that. They'd never admit it, but that's the amazing thing about the human mind, i is amazing at rationalizing as moral what is really a survival and advancement strategy.

The older managers are scared because they know that they can't position themselves as "authentically" woke now because they weren't in the past and that their own bosses and boards support the posturing of the young employees.

Kevin said...

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck.”


― Robert Heinlein

Kid Charlemagne said...

I'd be wary of this type of stuff. It makes sense for employers - especially in retail - to use the old divide and conquer tactic by painting the current crop of young workers as "unreasonable". This especially as we are seeing the Great Resignation over low paying, exploitative working conditions. It's an old play from an old playbook.

Seamus said...

"'They celebrate human emotion, instead of having an outdated framework of what corporate should be,' Ms. Fletcher said. Her company culture has relaxed even more, she added, since the departure of her oldest employee, who was 48. 'Now everyone feels safe to be a little more weird.'"

And those of us who don't want to be weird, who would prefer not to share our pronouns, and who don't believe that every institution in this country is thoroughly corrupted by institutional racism feel unsafe and keep our heads down.

Bruce Hayden said...

“As a partner in a law firm, I worry about young attorneys with this kind of attitude deciding to breach confidentiality because they personally disapprove of one of our clients. I am sure the vast majority would never seriously consider betraying client confidences, but my impression is that the risk on the margins is shooting way up.”

Agree. They are playing with fire. May need some, maybe a lot, of education there. When I was in a moderately large firm (300 attys now), if we had ethical issues, we ran them through our ethics counsel, and unless you were an equity partner, you were out the door, if you didn’t go through them, and it went south. As you no doubt know, they are typically a moderate to large sized law firm’s interface with their malpractice carriers. At first, I was worried about working with them, but they were fast and understanding.

I don’t know about your practice, but client confidentiality was of huge importance in mine, practicing patent law. Breaching or losing confidentiality, or losing the attorney/client privilege, can easily lose patent rights, and that could conceivably cost millions, if not billions. Of course, it isn’t just patent law - I know an attorney who hid an affair through a generous settlement and an NDA. The soon to therefore be ex wife found out about another affair, and it cost the client hundreds of millions of dollars in the divorce. Luckily for this attorney, and his malpractice carrier, it wasn’t the affair(s?) that he had hushed up.

I can definitely see how this can keep you up at night worrying. It would me, if I weren’t retired.

Mark said...

Standards and ethics are white privilege.

Stop perpetuating and imposing your racist and sexist systems on people.

wild chicken said...

That's rich. Isn't it the older reporters at NYT who are afraid of the youngsters in the newsroom?

She feels this.

CJinPA said...

We can grumble and mock, but you have to be in awe of the Left. Within our lifetimes, they have seized total control of our culture - the workplace, the schools, the playing fields, the arts...everything.

And we have no effective response and their is no hope of a reversal. None.

Have a great day!

chuck said...

There is nothing new about slacking off. Heck, I was instructed in the art by an Italian working in the fields of Germany.

Eric said...

This may contain more than a little projection from the NYT's HQ, with its history of stuff like what's described, most specifically the "senior" staff's apparent fear of and acquiescence to the "junior" staff.

M said...

We have boundaries for a reason. The next couple generations will finish destroying those boundaries as their great grandparents the Boomers started and the resulting chaos will cause their own grandchildren to build them back to Victorian standards. Young people think everyone in history was up tight. They have no idea. The Victorian prudery was a reaction to the Georgian excesses. These social morality swings used to happen more quickly but we have had the wealth and relative safety brought on by the industrial revolution and western mores to shield us from the worst of our own failings. That can’t go on forever. Especially when we teach the lower classes that nothing is their fault and they deserve everything for no work.

Wince said...

The Biden crash is going to be interesting, when all of a sudden shit gets real.

Penguins loose said...

This reminds me of one of Phil Dick’s wackiest and best novels: Clans of the Alphane Moon.Here a former hospital colony for psychotics was abandoned; but the patients remained. The former patients gathered themselves into like-groups, or clans. Each clan had its own rules, own leader. A former CIA agent takes refuge in the only place he can: the Alphane Moon. Wackiness ensues.

Will we have corporations run by like-kind psychotics – excuse me, enlightened Gen Z employees – competing with other corporations also run by Gen Z employees enlightened by a different form of psychosis? If so, this will provide significant opportunities for enterprises that may only be barely competent, but on the better side of sane. And just think of what their mentally balanced and competent competitors will accomplish! ( I know that exclamation marks are a little gauche, but in this case I believe warranted. )

Excessive wokeness will find its own end - or bad luck, as previously mentioned.

Unknown said...

Wow... I'm sure some Chinese political and military leaders are reading this and thinking, "Why stop at Taiwan?"

cfs said...

You could make a tag for this called, "How to start your company on the road to ruin".

With everyone only coming to work when they feel like it, and only doing the work needed when the mood strikes them, how is the actual work going to get done in a timely manner? I just don't see this working as a long-term plan. Before I retired, the place I worked had deadlines that needed to be met and there were penalties for the failure to meet those deadlines.

Amadeus 48 said...

I heard from someone who works at The Atlantic that the 50 year-olds are scared of the 25 year-olds. They have 20 years in on the job, they have college tuitions to pay, they have 15 years max to retirement--and one bad joke, one insensitive wisecrack, one half-heard wry observation can put them into HR hell and on the conveyor belt out of the company.

John Kass is a legendary Chicago Tribune columnist. He wrote a column about how George Soros funded the execrable Kim Foxx's campaigns for Cook County State's Attorney. The young folks in the news room said that mentioning the creepy Soros's role as a moneyman was anti-Semitic. Kass took a buyout from the Tribune rather than continue to work with such people.

Joe Smith said...

Personally, I wouldn't hire anyone younger than 30 unless I knew that weren't a SJW freak.

Yancey Ward said...

You want my pronouns, Gen Z? Here is my pronoun- Fuck you.

cassandra lite said...

It was a great ride, America.

Boomers claimed we shouldn't trust anyone over 30, but we didn't really believe that shit because it was absolute nonsense. And now here we are. The participation-trophy generation makes the rules for its elders.

Come to think of it, they have a point. If I'd been handed all those trophies for showing up, I'd have contempt for the people who handed them to me.

gilbar said...

gspencer said...
"'Now everyone feels safe to be a little more weird.'"
Great. Is the company a making a profit?


That's like, So Totally Bogus Dude! What is with all this Racist 'profit' sh*t?
Like, shouldn't Everybody like enjoy the same equity?
places that are lame, and worry more about making loot, instead of concentrating on DEI
Should be taxed to DEATH, man! Profits are Not Cool!!
celebrating weirdness and queerness is what a business is FOR, man!

wendybar said...

Snowflakes. And these little snowflakes are going to run this country some day?? Scary and sad. It's all down hill from here.

mikee said...

Back when I was young, the oldsters at my first place of employment weren't happy about me either. I wanted to computerize tasks and data acquisition that took up most of my time, which had been manually logged and manually charted forever. Against a lot of resistance to change, eventually we all had a lot less busywork to do.

The current issues in the workplace seem a bit different. If I'm to be involved in politics or social issues, I better be getting paid to do so. Otherwise I'm being used and abused and I won't do it.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

From "The 37-Year-Olds Are Afraid of the 23-Year-Olds Who Work for Them"

The 37 year olds are pathetic losers. you inform the newbe that they can STFU, or find another job.

Then you make it stick