Blogs Glenn Reynolds (at Instapundit).
October 26, 2021
"A friend messages: 'Jake Tapper thinks Alec Baldwin deserves "basic decency" from Republicans. Hahahahahahahahahaha.'"
"These guys can dish out the very nastiest stuff, but they can’t take it, because up to now they’ve been shielded by what Ann Althouse calls 'civility bullshit.' The only trouble is, people have realized it’s bullshit. You want civility and decency? Try displaying some."
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The circle of life.
Althouse and Reynolds are right, of course, but they don't go far enough.
The Baldwins of the world aren't shielded by the BS a such but by the power of the progressive establishment. As long as they are useful members in good standing, they they will get protection. Their faults and foibles turn into opportunities to bask righties--look at those Republicans being "indecent" toward poor Alec, etc. Right up until the moment when a Baldwin, or a Weinstein, becomes a liability to the cause and gets dumped right quick.
Democrats are just people who crave power over others hiding behind a facade of viciousness, violence, and hypocrisy.
When we give back to them what they give to us, they cry. Ask Chuck.
You show basic decency because it affects you, not because it will be reciprocated.
Ann Althouse has added a phrase to the lexicon: civility bullshit. Kind of like the late Tom Wolfe.
Whether Baldwin deserves civility, he does deserve the same treatment and standards everyone deserves, even if Baldwin would deny it to his opponents. There is a fair amount of not letting a crisis go to waste coming from right-wing comment sections.
"Civility bullshit" ranks right up there with "the right stuff" and "the me decade."
Personally, I love the phrase: "the Masters of the Universe."
You and Reynolds are correct. Gaslighting and dishing out disrespect has been THE behavioral pattern employed by the left for many years. Accompanied by whining/calls for civility when it is employed against them and their ridiculous bullshit.
Alec “Schweddy Balls” Baldwin… your poultry is coming home… to roost.
I read this morning that Baldwin is on the board of a gun control organization. Amuses me.
Andrew Branca (Legal Insurrection) has a terrific write-up on Baldwin's exposure. His opinion is the Trump impersonator in the hook for involuntary manslaughter.
Yeah, that's true.
Wish he would have thrown in a sentence describing what Civility Bullshit means. Most of his readers will think it means 'civility is bullshit,' rather than 'most calls for civility are bullshit.'
The systemic anti-Republican racism displayed by news readers is despicable and so is their code word white. As Carville made clear in his forty emails for McCaulife the Democrats are full of hate: hate for Youngkin, hate for Trump, hate for Trump voters, hate towards their own who don’t vote 100% for their new-deal fascism, hate for parents, hate for the unvaccinated. Look at Psaki! That’s the face of someone who hates questions and hates anyone opposing grampa gropes and his crazy schemes. They even want to teach little children to hate each other based on skin color!
I think Alex Baldwin deserves decency and compassion from us because we are decent and compassionate people. It is grotesque to me that anyone would use this tragedy as a way to get back at Alec Baldwin, just because he can be an asshole. Everyone acknowledges that this was a devastating accident. It is terrible for the lady that was killed, it is terrible for her family, and it is terrible for Baldwin. I think we can acknowledge how tragic this was and feel compassion for the people involved, even while we acknowledge the need for accountability. Once the facts are known, people need to be held to account, including Alec Baldwin. But we shouldn't try to use justice and accountability as a bludgeon against him, just for being a loudmouthed jerk.
I think Alex Baldwin deserves decency and compassion from us because we are decent and compassionate people. It is grotesque to me that anyone would use this tragedy as a way to get back at Alec Baldwin, just because he can be an asshole. Everyone acknowledges that this was a devastating accident. It is terrible for the lady that was killed, it is terrible for her family, and it is terrible for Baldwin. I think we can acknowledge how tragic this was and feel compassion for the people involved, even while we acknowledge the need for accountability. Once the facts are known, people need to be held to account, including Alec Baldwin. But we shouldn't try to use justice and accountability as a bludgeon against him, just for being a loudmouthed jerk.
I think Jim Treacher best captured the mood of Republicans:
"I believe Alec Baldwin when he says he didn’t know the gun was loaded. And, also, in addition to that, he pointed it directly at Halyna Hutchins and now she’s dead. The Republicans didn’t make him do that. The Republicans didn’t hire the crew members who were supposed to prevent it from happening. The Republicans didn’t tell Baldwin to point a gun, even a gun he thought was unloaded, at another human being and pull the trigger.
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Alec Baldwin is innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn’t oblige me to have any sympathy for him. Or for his enablers in the media."
To which people who have the slightest familiarity with handguns add — you were told that the gun was unloaded? It’s trivially easy to check it. Assuming it’s a replica of a 19th century single action revolver, you point theme gun in a safe direction, you put the hammer on half cock, you open the loading gate, and you spin the cylinder. Why. Didn’t. You. Check. It?
Moreover, Alec Baldwin is not just the lead actor. He is also the Executive Producer. He is responsible for trying to save a buck or two hiring an inexperienced armorer. He is responsible for the casual attitude towards safety on the set. Like far too many lefties in my experience, he wanted the authority, but not the responsibility.
Glenn's not wrong.
Civility bullshit makes the rounds.
Alex Baldwin has proven himself to be such a loathsome human being for so many years in so many different situations (including to his own daughter) that I'm not sure he's earned any sort of grace cushion. The most civil thing I could say about Alec Baldwin would be to say nothing. If I have to say something, it won't be nice. He's earned that from everybody.
Big Mike said...Moreover, Alec Baldwin is not just the lead actor. He is also the Executive Producer
Ironic. Despite the fact that Baldwin is the person who actually pointed the gun and pulled the trigger, his most serious legal exposure may come from his role as producer of the film set where it happened.
I a poetic sense, one deserves the treatment one gives:
Baldwin dunked-on Dick Cheney over his shooting incident, so Baldwin deserves to be dunked-on.
In a legal sense, Baldwin deserves to be considered innocent unless proven guilty by a court of law.
So, it's fine to tease him but it's not fine to deny him due process.
"He did it first" says the eight year old. That's in a way it own form of situational civility bullshit. That said, Baldwin is a cunt and his cuntly pride was likely contributory to the poor woman's death. Did you see the former model rookie armorer with the bulbus cleavage and blowjob mouth? Makes you wonder why she was hired.
It's not different from lefty libtards making fun of morbid obesity Trumper antivaxers who die of Covid except someone else's ox is being gored.
Tapper failed to even make the prima facie case of what he typified as a violation of "basic decency."
Regardless of political persuasion I think all Americans agree the other party is the uncivil party.
Whether Baldwin deserves civility, he does deserve the same treatment and standards everyone deserves, even if Baldwin would deny it to his opponents. There is a fair amount of not letting a crisis go to waste coming from right-wing comment sections.
In days gone by I would have agreed with you.
No longer. We are at war for our existence.
I no longer care about anything in politics but crushing the Left. The more that individual leftists are made to suffer for their foolishness, the better I like it.
Alinsky showed us the way: Individuals hurt sooner than institutions. Let’s hurt them and hurt them bad.
Aside from the legal obligations, I am curious how Alec Baldwin will behave in the future. Less belligerence? More empathy? Less of a hothead? More peaceful? Assuming he’s not in jail, will he use this horrible event to advocate for anything constructive?
Alec Baldwin was at minimum negligent.
If he ran someone over with a car while paying attention and doing his best or close to it that is one thing.
If Alec Baldwin gets drunk and runs someone over that is negligent.
What Baldwin did with that gun is so far over the negligent line he belongs in jail for whatever negligent homicide earns you.
The fact that he has always been a piece of shit that wants to take away freedom from responsible people who are better than him just piles on.
Put the handgun down!
Handguns are for closers only.
Alec Baldwin deserves, as we all do, JUSTICE. In fact, that is pretty much the definition of justice -- giving one what he deserves.
That is also the decent thing to do. Certainly, not seeking justice would be indecent.
No, what Tapper wants for Baldwin is mercy and pardon.
"Andrew Branca (Legal Insurrection) has a terrific write-up on Baldwin's exposure. His opinion is the Trump impersonator in the hook for involuntary manslaughter."
I didn't read Branca, but I have a hard time believing anyone would convict Baldwin on that (or any criminal) charge. How could he have been reckless if was told the gun was cold and he was merely doing what actors do at their jobs all the time? If he was driving a stunt car shooting a scene, lost control and swerved in a way that killed another crew member would Branca be saying the same thing? I doubt it. Sometimes tragic accidents happen. Baldwin sucks, but let's not overreach here.
Baldwin is on a torturous path right now, but should I feel sorry for him? No.
I grew up with guns and hunting. I feel it in my gut every single time I see a person point a gun at another human being by accident- it is a visceral reaction. I am not sure I could work on a movie set where weapons are routinely pointed at other people, actors or staff- it would freak me out. I know were you to put me in Baldwin's shoes that day, there is simply no way I would not have checked and double checked that the gun was unloaded before pointing it at anything other than the ground, much less pull the trigger.
Alec Baldwin is a murderer. That the anti-gun collective left would give him a pass = of course.
guns don't fire themselves.
Alex Baldwin is a narcissistic putz of little moral character.Nevertheless he deserves his day in court.That is if the NM prosecutors are not in the bag.But a negligent discharge is still a negligent discharge.And he is the money bags "executive producer". Titles hopefully actually still come with responsibility.Not sure that is actually true with Democrats however.
what is the difference between "accident" and "unintended consequence" other than perpetrator shirking reponsibility
>>he does deserve the same treatment and standards everyone deserves
I don't think Alec Baldwin agrees with you.
David Begley @ 8:23 and 8:25: Well said about Prof. A’s coinage. It is an inspired term and describes perfectly an important pathology. The juxtaposition of two opposed values, demanding civility from those to whom one never extends it, is IMHO very like the “motte and bailey” tactic where one attacks viciously and, when the injured party retaliates, one retreats to a defensive posture and paints the opponent as the aggressor.
I wish I didn’t spend time thinking about such crap, but these morons asked for it. Thank goodness for the Althousian dissections.
How many workplace accidents result in criminal charges against a worker unless drugs or alcohol involved? Employer liability a different matter.
Interesting that New Mexico's criminal statute for negligent homicide exempts law enforcement officers. Held to lower standard than actors.
I didn't read Branca, but I have a hard time believing anyone would convict Baldwin on that (or any criminal) charge. How could he have been reckless if was told the gun was cold and he was merely doing what actors do at their jobs all the time?
@Jake, go read my comment from 8:43.
“Andrew Branca (Legal Insurrection) has a terrific write-up on Baldwin's exposure. His opinion is the Trump impersonator in the hook for involuntary manslaughter.”
Legal Analysis: Alec Baldwin Situation Beginning to Look a Lot Like Manslaughte
Branca came to fame with his in depth, gavel to gavel, coverage of the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. For many of us, he is our go-to guy for self defense and other related issues of use of force. He is a lawyer and long time gun owner and concealed carrier of such, and the author of the “Law of Self Defense” book and blog. I strongly recommend his book for any serious gun owner, and esp if you ever carry a loaded handgun out the front door, openly or concealed. I bought an earlier paperback version, read it, then gave it to a friend, after I bought a later edition on Kindle, which Is easily available in all of my iPads (with the recovery of my older iPad Pro that I accidentally left in Phoenix in June, I am up to 3 active iPads, including this 12.9” version that I use overnights). He has an overarching structure, and then provides a state by state breakdown of the specifics. In any case, whenever he opines on Use of Force, Self Defense, etc, I always read what he says.
His analysis here is persuasive, even if he didn’t take into account that Baldwin shot his Vic with a single action revolver, which requires both cocking and a trigger pull to work, which makes an actual accidental discharge more difficult that if he were carrying a striker fired semiautomatic handgun with one round in the chamber, as I carry. Esp note his discussion of unusually dangerous activities, where near strict liability attaches. That said, the comments are worrisome, suggesting that the DA was Soros funded, and they believe, from her past actions, highly unlikely to Prosecute Baldwin with any vigor.
“ That is also the decent thing to do. Certainly, not seeking justice would be indecent.”
Expect some indecency then. The comments from the Branca article suggest that the DA is unlikely to prosecute anyone not caught red handed wearing a MAGA hat, and esp not one of the Anointed.
I don’t think Alec Baldwin deserves compassion, because he’s a dreadful person. My question is whether decent people should demonstrate compassion to protect their own souls.
And even there, I’m not sure. There is a class war going on (that’s the entire context of NeverTrumperism), and showing unwarranted decency could be costly.
Not smart, Alec.
How could he have been reckless if was told the gun was cold and he was merely doing what actors do at their jobs all the time?
From the Branca article.
“All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it, whether drunk, drinking or sober, without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.” (my emphasis added)
State v. Gilliam, 288 P.2d 675 (NM Sup. Ct. 1955)
My emphasis added. That's the law in NM. You know that will be in the jury instructions. It would seem the case would hinge on whether being told "cold gun" is all that is required for a reasonable man to exercise "due caution and circumspection".
Not sure that is going to be an easy argument to make. At best you could say that this is the "standard" for movie sets, but I expect that the more you talk about how they do it on movie sets is going to end up being a double edged sword. Especially compared with other safety protocols in other environments (police ranges, NRA ranges, etc).
Yancey: I feel it in my gut every single time I see a person point a gun at another human being by accident- it is a visceral reaction
In other words, pointing a gun at another person (loaded or unloaded) is "reckless", one of the requirements for manslaughter.
Unsafe gun handling causes a physical reaction in me as well.
The AP writers put it this way:
"The camera was not rolling when the gun went off and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins..."
You see, 'the gun went off.'
Ann Althouse, the siren for incivility.
I think that the "right" has been giving Alec Baldwin a pretty good amount of grace for an investigation into who is at fault. I have seen discussions on what his culpability is with some speculation on the facts as known.
If this had been Adam Baldwin (a right leaning actor not related to Alec) consider what you believe the left and the media though I repeat myself would be responding.
Howard at 9:20..YOU are a pig. Everything in your little message is a lot worse than ANYTHING Trump has ever said. You must miss him a lot. You can't comment without mentioning him. Boy Crush??
@Owenthe “motte and bailey” tactic where one attacks viciously and, when the injured party retaliates, one retreats to a defensive posture and paints the opponent as the aggressor.
That's not "motte and bailey". "Motte and bailey" is when you advocate for an extreme position, and when attacked, retreat to a moderate position and accuse your interlocutor of being against the moderate position. It has nothing to do with the viciousness of the argument.
Blogger tim maguire said...
"Whether Baldwin deserves civility, he does deserve the same treatment and standards everyone deserves, even if Baldwin would deny it to his opponents."
Oh, come on. This makes sense only in a world where plumbers are given as much respect in society as are celebrities. But that's not the world we live in.
Unless you mean that Baldwin should be treated just like any other pampered snob who treats people like shit. There are consequences for the way people treat others. Something about glass houses and stones.
CJinPA said...
Wish he would have thrown in a sentence describing what Civility Bullshit means. Most of his readers will think it means 'civility is bullshit,' rather than 'most calls for civility are bullshit.'
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This was my reaction when I went to the link. The phrase "civility bullshit", while insightful as AA uses it, requires a definition or explanation for those unfamiliar with it.
Legal analysis from an actual lawyer looking at the actual NM law. Legal Insurrection.
This appears to have been the definition of involuntary manslaughter.
Negligent Discharge is what it's called. It's a crime. There's a death involved- that's a crime, too.
What odds do I get on a bet Baldwin goes free? We're going to hear the word 'accident' a lot.
...that's the problem. Civility's got nothing to do with it...
...meanwhile Ann will be holding them all accountable for their grammar. It's what she does...
Readering said...
Interesting that New Mexico's criminal statute for negligent homicide exempts law enforcement officers. Held to lower standard than actors.
Law enforcement officers are doing a socially necessary job and putting themselves in danger to do it.
They are not some asshole millionaire fucking around on a completely safe set.
Comparing these two situations and ignoring the obvious contextual differences in the way you did says something about you.
"...there is simply no way I would not have checked and double checked that the gun was unloaded..."
You mean, shown some common sense? Settin' the bar a little high here, aren't you?
Readering: "How many workplace accidents result in criminal charges against a worker unless drugs or alcohol involved?"
How many coworkers callously and nrgligently violate all established safety protocols and regulations and are the direct proximste cause for the incident?
But hey, we get it. Liberal, so, "reasons" for not holding him to account.
Now imagine that Don Trump Jr were a visitor on the set, handed the weapon by a staff member, and did the same thing.
What would readering be saying then, one wonders........not.
"How could he have been reckless if was told the gun was cold and he was merely doing what actors do at their jobs all the time?"
Basic gun safety dictates that he not take someone else's word for whether the gun is loaded or not. All guns are loaded until you check because people make mistakes. He was in possession of the gun, it was his responsibility to check. That doesn't change just because he was playing pretend for a living at the time.
Readering, of course, wants to defund the police. It's OK. Florida and Indiana are hiring.
Hey Jake, Alec…what goes around, comes around. Big mouth Alec Baldwin in now curled up like a baby and can’t take the criticism. Alec should have thought of that when he was “shooting” off his mouth about people he didn’t like. Payback is a bitch. Don’t know if he was negligent or not but a young woman is dead and someone is responsible.
I can easily see Baldwin not serving criminal time here. Should the family of the woman killed want to sue him/his Production company into next week, I think they have a great case to win money from him (or his insurers, or both).
Baldwin took possession of the firearm, he failed to check the gun, he pointed the gun at another person, and he pulled the trigger. His actions caused the death the other person. He was negligent, at minimum.
If Alec Baldwin gets drunk and runs someone over that is negligent.
I am not a lawyer, but that seems to define recklessness rather than negligence. The latter makes him subject to civil penalty. The former makes him subject to criminal penalty.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
The bullshit from the left won't stop until they get tired of being bludgeoned by their own rules.
Until then? Good and hard.
rhhardin said...
You show basic decency because it affects you, not because it will be reciprocated.
When you show "basic human decency" to those who show none, you cheapen it, and you make it much more likely that other people will join them in showing no basic human decency to the actual decent people in society.
When actions don't have consequences, the world goes to hell.
Baldwin picked the rules. So did Tapper. Now they're getting them good and hard. That's what happens in a proper society.
You treat "generic others" with "basic decency" so that you can expect to get it in return.
When you create a world where people get it while not giving it, it quickly disappears, for everyone.
Don't be evil.
tim maguire said...
Whether Baldwin deserves civility, he does deserve the same treatment and standards everyone deserves, even if Baldwin would deny it to his opponents.
No. Wrong. 1000x wrong.
You never, ever, ever are entitled to better than you give to a generic, innocent "other".
That is why it's right to arrest and imprison kidnappers, why it's right to arrest and fine thieves.
It is the basis of the entire concept of "precedent". Alex set the precedent on how people should be treated when they have an "accidental discharge" of a firearm.
To have an even remotely just, decent, and worthwhile society he must be the recipient of the precedent he previously set
Wondering what the point is of telling an actor on the set that a prop is a cold gun when handing it to her. Surely only proper to say, "this is a gun; make sure, per the safety training, it is unloaded"? To me, that wrong assurance about a cold gun, if it was made by an authorized crew member, is Baldwin's best defense against a criminal charge in a workplace context.
Jake said...
"Andrew Branca (Legal Insurrection) has a terrific write-up on Baldwin's exposure. His opinion is the Trump impersonator in the hook for involuntary manslaughter."
I didn't read Branca, but I have a hard time believing anyone would convict Baldwin on that (or any criminal) charge. How could he have been reckless if was told the gun was cold
Rule #1 of gun safety: the gun is always loaded
He was handed a revolver. The absolute first thing he should ahve done was popped it open and checked that all teh holes were empty.
if they weren't supposed to be empty, because they were supposed to have blanks, then he shoudl not have been "practicing his draw" of hte gun.
Rule #3: Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
He was supposedly practicing his "cross draw", not actually in a scene where he was supposed to be pulling the trigger. How did his finger get on the trigger to pull it in the first place?
He acted with reckless disregard for safety, and someone died.
That's pretty much canonical "invlountary manslaughter".
Here's a car example: you're given a car to drive in a stunt where you're supposed to drive really fast towards a bunch of people, then slam on the brakes and skid to avoid hitting them.
The appropriate person gives you a car and says "the tires are great!" The tires are in fact bald.
A sane person would take a quick look at the tires, see they're bald, and speak up.
Baldwin climbed into the car, and then decided to test out his skid, driving towards a group of people, then slamming on the brakes and running them over because the tires are bald.
Yes, he is at fault
Responding to Readering’s point about a double standard with police, carrying and utilizing guns in NM is classified as an inherently dangerous activity. Same with most, if not all, states, and esp likely in states with widespread gun ownership. This is the same class that working with high explosives, like dynamite, falls into. In Tort class, in LS, these were the original cases that were subject to strict liability - if you are working with dynamite, and blow someone up, it is your fault, without considering negligence and the like. No comparative negligence and the like for you. You were working with dynamite, and that person is dead. End of story.
Baldwin’s defenders sound very much like they are making a negligence defense for his actions, by pointing fingers in every other direction than at him. No surprise there. I would be doing the same if I were in his shoes. But Bianca’s point is that that isn’t the way it works with guns and dynamite when people are injured or killed by themStrict liability applies. Again, res ipsa loquitur. You may shooting at someone trying to kill you, and your bullet goes through the wall, and kills the pregnant woman next door. You can probably claim self defense if you kill the guy trying to kill you, but you just committed an illegal homicide on the mother and fetus. Same thing if you shoot up a vehicle that you checked out earlier, and there was someone hiding there. Someone died, and you are legally responsible, because you were engaging in an inherently dangerous activity.
Why would NM exempt police from this strict liability for engaging in this type of inherently dangerous activity? Because police are required to carry and use firearms as a condition of their employment. No one would rationally work as a police officer if every time they drew their service weapon, they risked prison for using it in a manner most here would believe was perfectly justified. Society has determined that they are willing to forgo strict liability for the use of the firearms that police are required to carry, in trade for the security that provides to the public. And, yes, these days you can see what happens when Soros funded DAs prosecute the police, instead of armed criminals. Most of us here have lists of cities that we would never live in, if we could avoid it, because of that: downtown Chicago, Minneapolis, Portland, Atlanta, St Louis, etc.
There's a video on Youtube of Will Smith and some other actors choosing guns from a table full of them to use in Bad Boys. Smith's reaction when another actor violates gun safety is exactly the right one. Actors are taught gun safety even when using prop guns.
Everything I've read about this case screams cutting corners and irresponsibility. The criminal fall guy will end up being a woman, the one in charge of the weapon. From what I've read Baldwin is going to end up being taken to the cleaners in a civil case as a producer.
There’s no involuntary manslaughter “freebie” for actors. If they kill someone recklessly, they are as guilty of involuntary manslaughter as is the fellow down the street who drunkenly runs over the nun in the crosswalk. There’s no special “actor” court.
I'm taking the under on this...
Anyone have Alec Baldwin's reaction when Dick Cheney peppered that guy at the quail shoot? Oh yeah. I found this on Yahoo.com:
"Another tweet Baldwin wrote about Dick Cheney's hunting accident has resurfaced. In 2006, the then-vice president accidentally shot and injured someone while hunting.
"Back in 2015, the actor tweeted to someone, 'You hook your friends with that line? Shoot em in the face? Cheney style?'"
Well, anyone who chooses to model his or her behavior on Alec Baldwin has a lot of hurt coming their way. I feel bad for the man, but I feel worse for Halyna Hutchins and her family.
What does the Lord require of thee but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Any actor who uses a firearm (even a "prop" firearm, whatever that means) in the course of playing his or her role should be required to take and pass a basic firearm safety course. If you were an actor playing a role that required horseback riding but didn't know how to ride a horse, would you jump on the horse without taking a lesson first?
You need to know the risks that come with whatever it is that you're doing -- this is part of being an adult. In horseback riding, the risks are probably limited to your own physical well-being. In Baldwin's case, the risks include whatever moral guilt and legal jeopardy come with killing someone.
"The criminal fall guy will end up being a woman, the one in charge of the weapon."
The one in charge of the weapon is the person in who's hand it was when it was fired. Yes, the armorer was negligent and should never be allowed to work in the industry again. No, she wasn't responsible for Baldwin not checking the gun and then pulling the trigger.
I'm discussing criminal negligence because there is a NM criminal negligence statute that applies to gun deaths. No criminal strict liability. The negligence statute provides that the statute does not exempt police from civil negligence exposure.
Interesting aspect of the 1955 NM involuntary manslaughter case. A defense that the gun just went off when handed from one tipsy partier to another. Recipient charged. But defense undermined by admitted evidence, and jury didn't go for it. Case mostly about the admissibility issues.
The NM criminal negligence statute expressly deals with drinking.
Hunter S. Thompson never would have made this mistake, but William S. Burroughs might have.
MadisonMan: "I can easily see Baldwin not serving criminal time here"
Thats a given.
The only remaining question is how will they pin this on Trump?
Howard has already declared the NRA culpable.
Just to clarify for everyone--Executive Producer on a film is not top man. It's the Producer. It's the reverse for TV shows.
Just to clarify for everyone--Executive Producer on a film is not top man. It's the Producer. It's the reverse for TV shows.
Just to clarify for everyone--Executive Producer on a film is not top man. It's the Producer. It's the reverse for TV shows.
Just to clarify for everyone--Executive Producer on a film is not top man. It's the Producer. It's the reverse for TV shows.
Speaking of a Trump…
'Guns don't kill people Alec Baldwin kills people': Don Jr. is slammed for selling $27.99 Tees mocking actor for accidentally shooting dead cinematographer on Rust set
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10131651/Donald-Trump-Jr-slammed-selling-27-99-T-shirts-mocking-Alec-Baldwin-gun-tragedy.html
I am surprised at the Comments, basically Baldwin set the standard, and it’s funny, but crass, and true.
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