Writes John McWhorter (who is African American) in "The N-word as slur vs. the N-word as a sequence of sounds/What makes the New York Times so comfortable making black people look dim?" (Substack).
We talked about the ousting of McNeil a couple days ago, here. I commented on the loss of the old "use/mention" distinction. McWhorter is adding something important: Those who have rejected the distinction are perpetuating — and maybe even relying on — a racist stereotype. I hasten to add that McWhorter doesn't say "racist," "racism," or "stereotype." He says that those who've made it taboo to say the n-word — even just to refer to it — are making it "look like" they think black people are too dumb to understand the distinction.
Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism? Surely, their meaning well isn't enough. McWhorter is pointing out a background belief that is reflected in the ban on merely saying the "sequence of sounds" that is the n-word. If that isn't a call to do more "work" understanding systemic racism, then the game of critical race theory is rigged.
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That's a comment that explains why other commenters ask you exasperated questions that offend you.
They don't mean well. How could anyone imagine that "racist" McCarthyism is being performed out of good intentions?
If a person is promoted to a newspaper's executive editor just because of his race, then smart reporters might be fired because of stupid complaints from stupid staff members.
Sounds like McWhorter is taking the long route to saying the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Horse left that stable long ago. I remember Bush officials being canceled for using words that just sounded the same.
N@gger rhymes with Tr@gger.
We all get called bad names at some time in our lives, so I've never understood why blacks should receive such special treatment concerning the n-word. When people are angry or want to hurt someone, they choose the worst word that causes the most pain.
I don't know why everyone gets their knickers in a knot over the discussion of a word, historical usage or a sequence of sounds.
There is nothing wrong with the word knickers.
That's just it. If you think people are so fragile they can't even hear a word referred to, what are you really saying about them? You either see them as children or you see them as dangerous. You don't see them as equals.
"They don't mean well. How could anyone imagine that "racist" McCarthyism is being performed out of good intentions?"
It is their defense: They are the good people who are doing the right thing.
If your approach is to say they are insincere and they know they're doing the wrong thing, you have a proof problem, and you will be sidetracked into that. Take that route if you like, but I don't accept the criticism of me for choosing not to go there in my discussion this time.
They may know they are wrong and just lie asserting that they are good (and other people are bad) but it's likely they are to some degree self-deceiving, shallow, or just afraid to open the door and examine whether they are wrong. They may be smugly complacent or just young and uneducated. And some of *them* are lacking intellectual gifts. At this point, I'll give them credit for being intimidated by the system they are part of. They're doing what they have been told is good and they can see the risk in doing anything other than accepting that system.
The great irony is that they purport to understand what is systemic.
Anyway, what I am saying doesn't depend on establishing that they have bad intentions. I can say to them: You might mean well, but you are perpetuating a racist stereotype, and you shouldn't want to do that. I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people.
"Pride and Racism" by Jane Austen.
THEOLDMAN
"Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism? Surely, their meaning well isn't enough."
Because it is about power, not meaning well.
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
Sorry. It's hilarious when a liberal NYTs reporter gets screwed by his own double standards. Good. Who cares? This shit is going to go on forever. One of the few things left in the press to enjoy.
As the instructions above the composition window say: "Comments may be deleted after publication — not for viewpoint, but for infractions such as extra spaces, stupid back-and-forth, the "n-word," or a personal threat."
I don't care what you have written or whether you're on the right side of the use/mention distinction, I'm going to delete you if you write out the n-word. I will protect this blog.
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
Does it make you wonder what they thought about you?
I always thought they were very nice people.
I worked in the midst of very nice leftist people for 45 years.
It would have been better if they’d ripped off their clothing, pulled out knives and fought it out in a mud pit.
Critical race theory is Hate Whitey. It is nothing else. Yes, I’ve been forced at various times by very nice people to sit thru this Hate Whitey shit.
I should have punched the SOBs in the face and walked out, but I needed a job.
wonder whether the idea that black people are less intellectually gifted is true.
As a group, of course it's true.
Which reminds me, Murray's new book:
"Two known facts, long since documented beyond reasonable doubt, need to be brought into the open and incorporated into the way we think about public policy: American whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians have different violent crime rates and different means and distributions of cognitive ability."
The question is how does the n-word hysteria keep blacks from seeing the opportunity in good character. Well, right off, it keeps them acting badly.
McWhorter is going the hypocrisy exposure route though, but ought not to depend on average IQs being equal. They're quite different. That's another rhetorical problem, to present that as not mattering, not as untrue.
Translation of black – English–Spanish dictionary
Someone who is black has the dark skin typical of people from Africa.
negro
black Americans
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I am actually more concerned about USA readiness to accept First Hispanic President(a)
when she addresses nation in Spanish
As I asked the other day, if everybody knows "the n-word" is a place holder for that very word, why is it any better for people to hear "the n-word"? It should stir up the exact same emotions. (not talking about this blog. I understand why the substitution is mad on this blog)
If my husband said to me, "You are a real c-word" or if he said to me "you are a real c*nt", I would be equally hurt and alarmed at both statements. If you really really want to protect people, you must remove all references to the word.
Systemic racism is phlogiston, the cause of fire. It has to exist because there are fires. So it's what prevents blacks from doing as well as whites, and obviously exists because they don't.
Althouse said: If your approach is to say they are insincere and they know they're doing the wrong thing, you have a proof problem, and you will be sidetracked into that.
There is no proof problem. The massive, grifted student debt is evidence enough. Students at universities and their families, and taxpayers (and the Chi-Coms) finance departments that don’t produce shit. And they have “dumbed down” the graduates for two decades. It isn’t about peace and equality. It’s about revenge. Even nice people can get caught up its desire.
Ann said: "They're doing what they have been told is good and they can see the risk in doing anything other than accepting that system."
That is a design point in indoctrination.
It's just what Hannah Arendt said, only about the Nazis. Virtue that goes public turns into the worst sort of evil.
It's a social dynamic.
Nice people are killing off the heretics.
Not only will AA delete you for using the N word, lefties will track you down and cancel you from life, for life. You will have a scarlet R tattooed on on your forehead. You will be forever identified as a racist pig*, no matter your other attributes.
* Unless of course you are a POC, then you are cool. Also, the one drop of blood theory does not apply in this instance. Caucasian lefties who identify as a POC, will be given additional consideration.
"You might mean well, but you are perpetuating a racist stereotype, and you shouldn't want to do that. I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people."
This. It is banal to state than even Hitler thought he was saving the world, but that doesn't make it any less true. Most of these folks pass through this world and seem just as nice as you or me. Nicer than me, to be honest. It's not like any argument you will make will have an effect on their goals. It's like the "are we the baddies?" clip you may be familiar with from some Brit comedy show.
Understand, however, that if you stand between them and their goals you will be cancelled as soon as they have the power to do so. It wouldn't be ubiquitous as it is if you had to dump each cancelled body in a ditch, pour gasoline on it and set it afire, but that bridge doesn't have to be crossed in today's virtual world. We don't know as much about where this goes as we will know in the upcoming months. Most of America is really still as unaware of this as the expat Brits in Singapore were of their peril in 1940.
Pay attention and keep a bag packed.
Like Glenn Reynolds says about the climate change social goers, "I'll believe it's a crisis when those telling us it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis."
I look at use of the word n______ in the same light. I'll believe it's a bad word when the Black community quits using it in daily talk and especially in lyrics of popular music.
It's particularly mind-numbing when everyone gets pissed off if they hear someone speak along with that music, using their own lyrics.
It's insane and a no-win for anyone to teach young people who are Black, that they should keep referring to themselves as 'n___', but anyone else who uses that word is a racist. It's mind-numbing. And it's self-deprecating in the worst possible way. No other ethnic group does that to themselves. No other derogatory word for any other people is used by those people to describe themselves, while then turning around and flailing others for using that same word they continue to propagate and make culturally 'cool'.
So much insanity as we 'progress' as humans.
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
How would you react if I said, "I have known and worked with some of the prominent KKK people. I always thought they were very nice people".
Does them being nice make what they are doing more palatable?
Ann said: "Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism? Surely, their meaning well isn't enough."
They have learned the art of virtue signaling. If signaling your virtue by driving a Prius works, why wouldn't signaling your virtue about racism work? Results don't matter in virtue signaling.
He says that those who've made it taboo to say the n-word — even just to refer to it — are making it "look like" they think black people are too dumb to understand the distinction.
I don't agree. It is [I don't want to say] racism sort of. It is perfectly OK for "people of color" to use that word all they want and in whatever context they want. Casual conversation, term of endearment, in music, etc. To a point I get that. Take that word and own it. Remove the stigma from it. But you can't do that while at the same time "ending" any non-person-of-color that uses it even when it is simply quoting a rap song.
I have to admit to seeing a bit of poetic justice in NYT propagandists being ended by the cancel culture that they helped to cultivate a perpetuate.
"Does it make you wonder what they thought about you?"
Not any more than for other people I've worked with.
As George W Bush explained, this is "the soft bigotry of low expectations."
"I don't care what you have written or whether you're on the right side of the use/mention distinction, I'm going to delete you if you write out the n-word. I will protect this blog."
My reflex question is, of course, protect this blog from who or what? And on what other fronts might it need similar protecting, and why?
But my more extensive thought is this: aren't we already caught up in a rather silly infinite regression?
Once "the n-word" has become the universal stand in for the word it stands in for, won't we then need a word or phrase to stand in for "the n-word"? And then, in turn, a subsequent stand in for the word or phrase we have chosen to stand in for "the n-word", which stands in for the word it stands in for?
Can I be cancelled by hypothetically taunting John McWhorter, "N-word! N-word!"? What would he think? Having read quite a bit of McWhorter I imagine his first reaction to be trying to damp down an imminent stitch in his sides from laughing at me.
As the kids say, it's all so tiresome.
If I can dictate what you say - if I can cancel you because you say "black" or "Blacks" or "Black person" or "African-American" or even "n-word" instead of the latest, most topical and most pretentious "person of color" - I own you.
Which then begs the question of whether one still has enough autonomous agency remaining to protect anything from anything.
Speaking of the proof problem of needing to know what's inside somebody else's head, I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out in the impeachment trial. Did Trump intend to cause an insurrection?
The key thing in critical X theory is whether you like the system you're analyzing (sociologist Erving Goffman, philosopher Jacques Derrida) or hate it (academics).
The former leads to insights, the latter to nonsense.
Ann…when is the last time you took a ride through Milwaukee to see its rapid deterioration?
Load up your nice critical race friends and take a ride. Rent a van. There you could see the real effect of Madison’s evil hypocrisy on the poor of the inner city. The surrounding areas used to help by going there and spending money. They don’t anymore. But you’re and hour and twenty minutes away. Far enough to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Therefore... when it comes to race, words matter not lives. When your nice critical race theory friends start speaking out against the Teachers Unions locking these kids in their homes...or the drugs, prostitution, and violence...maybe.
If ANY of the efforts of all the liberals in Madison had SOME positive effect on the inner city of Milwaukee, maybe some credence could be given.
Until then, they are full of shit hypocrites.
When Jesus said "turn the other cheek" he didn't mean look away from the destruction you are creating.
"Not only will AA delete you for using the N word, lefties will track you down and cancel you from life, for life."
I have to do it because I could myself be cancelled — Google could delete this blog. I
The unwarranted interest in the trivia of racist words, rocks, makeup, dead peoples' names, etc, surely indicates that there is no actual racism worth mentioning, much less fighting.
Intention doesn't exist in itself. It's a token in a retroactive account. So it's really a question of whether your narrative is a good reading of Trump or not, which is sort of literary in its tests.
You're justified in feeling contempt for bad readings which are lazy.
Frankly, the illogic in this approach to the N-word is so obvious to anyone who does make distinctions that the only question is why people would not look on and guiltily wonder whether the idea that black people are less intellectually gifted is true.
No way people would ever wonder this. Not with all the other existing evidence to the contrary.
TCM broadcast "Blazing Saddles" two evenings ago in its featured Saturday time slot using the original uncensored dialog. We wondered how that was possible today, and what feedback TCM has received since then.
"Google could delete this blog."
Says it all, doesn't it? The master's tools will never demolish the master's house.
Maybe @ 7:29: “That's just it. If you think people are so fragile they can't even hear a word referred to, what are you really saying about them? You either see them as children or you see them as dangerous. You don't see them as equals.”
Thread winner.
Matt Sablan said...
"Sounds like McWhorter is taking the long route to saying the soft bigotry of low expectations."
Low expectations, to keep certain people on the plantations.
---what I am saying doesn't depend on establishing that they have bad intentions. I can say to them: You might mean well, but you are perpetuating a racist stereotype, and you shouldn't want to do that. I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people. [AA]
Yes, you're right, it should be more persuasive.
But why do you think they are open to persuasion? As though this is just a logical error on their parts?
Maybe, maybe there could have been a few cases such as you are imagining two generations ago, when we and this gimmick we were all much younger. But we as a society have turned this cheap, revolting ploy into a winning move. It leads to career success, especially for those who would not obtain such success without the race card. Gabriela San Francisco, perhaps? Kamala Harris? It leads to political power for those who could never win it on their own. It is a repugnant, backstabbing strategy and no one who uses it is doing so for any good intention whatsoever.
So they will listen politely to your polite point and then cancel the next one standing as quickly as they can. Let's hope that never reaches you.
"I have to do it because I could myself be cancelled — Google could delete this blog."
Of course I understand your apprehension, Ms. Althouse. What you don't seem to have grasped yet is that Google can already delete your blog, for any reason it wants, anytime it wants, and you are powerless to stop it. To Google, you are nothing more than a wholly owned commodity.
And if and when it does so, you will have no recourse, and all that will remain of your life's blogging will be the memories of your readers.
AA: "I have to do it because I could myself be cancelled — Google could delete this blog."
You are one of my true heroes Ann. You give us wide latitude with our comments. Right or left. Unfortunately, at some point fairly soon, they will bag you.
"He says that those who've made it taboo to say the n-word — even just to refer to it — are making it "look like" they think black people are too dumb to understand the distinction."
Or, it's just about power. "Watch: I can say X but you cant say X." "Watch: the leftists at Google will delete your blog but not mine for the exact same word." Power. That is all.
The solution is to issue a federal license permitting references to the N-word to qualified applicants.
If James Bond can be licensed to kill, surely our humble word nerds could be licensed to discuss.
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
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on Critical Race Theory ? or other matters - subjects? in legal field or other areas?
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
2/8/21, 7:32 AM
To use a common trope, I am sure there were some very nice Nazis too.
Critical Race Theory is the newest club to beat people up with. It is built on fear. Fear of being singled out and canceled for pointing out what a steaming pile of crap it is. The "scholarship" behind it makes Doctor [not physician] Biden's work look like Stephen Hawking's in comparison.
It isn't a game, this use of illogical critical race theory to gain power.
It is a means to gain power.
That is all it is.
If the participants thought they could obtain more power versus CRT by becoming world famous tiddlywinks players, there would be tiddlywinks chapmionships being played nationwide in schools universities and newsrooms.
CRT is a power grab, nothing more, nothing less, and should be disdained and ridiculed as such.
Meanwhile, in other news:
"Question: When is the very act of winning a Super Bowl “racist”? – Answer: When you’re Tom Brady and it’s Black History Month. At least, according to hundreds of BLM twitter nitwits, who took to the social media platform to air their protests of pasty-white Tom Brady securing his 7th Super Bowl victory."
"What you don't seem to have grasped yet is..."
Give me a fucking break.
I was suspicious of white people claiming to act in the interest of black people 60 years ago. It was as if blacks had no agency. Things haven't improved since then.
"Speaking of the proof problem of needing to know what's inside somebody else's head, I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out in the impeachment trial. Did Trump intend to cause an insurrection?"
I don't think anyone believes that, not even the Democrats. It's just being cynically used by the corrupt Democrats to achieve their goal, which is to eliminate Trump as a future threat of ever getting elected president again.
"Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism?"
Because then they'd have to question their own moral authority. Once you've pushed those frightening questions down you're conscience is free to point fingers at everyone else and have that warm, smug, holier than thou feelings.
Tommy Duncan said:
Meanwhile, in other news:
"Question: When is the very act of winning a Super Bowl “racist”? – Answer: When you’re Tom Brady and it’s Black History Month. At least, according to hundreds of BLM twitter nitwits, who took to the social media platform to air their protests of pasty-white Tom Brady securing his 7th Super Bowl victory."
Brady did play well, and the QB position is obviously the most important single position in major team sports.
But the Bucs defense, consisting entirely of black players (at least the starters), was awesome as well. They equally won the game for the Bucs. The complainers could focus on that if they cared to elevate rather than bitch all the time.
Victor Frankenstein was a helluva nice guy.
Tommy Duncan said:
Meanwhile, in other news:
"Question: When is the very act of winning a Super Bowl “racist”? – Answer: When you’re Tom Brady and it’s Black History Month. At least, according to hundreds of BLM twitter nitwits, who took to the social media platform to air their protests of pasty-white Tom Brady securing his 7th Super Bowl victory."
Brady did play well, and the QB position is obviously the most important single position in major team sports.
But the Bucs defense, consisting entirely of black players (at least the starters), was awesome as well. They equally won the game for the Bucs. The complainers could focus on that if they cared to elevate rather than bitch all the time.
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
One suspects, however, that the students they have trained might not be.
Ann Althouse said...
"I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people."
Yes indeed. And they always thought you were a disgusting racist bitch.
And if asked, would say so.
MayBee said...
As I asked the other day, if everybody knows "the n-word" is a place holder for that very word, why is it any better for people to hear "the n-word"? It should stir up the exact same emotions. (not talking about this blog. I understand why the substitution is mad on this blog)
which raises a Serious Question (or, a Fun New Pool!)
HOW LONG WILL IT BE, before using "the n-word" is banned?
Since, everybody knows "the n-word" is a place holder for some word (what word?)
WHY is IT okay to use?
idi*t was a placeholder for stupid, until idi*t got banned
m*ron was a placeholder for idi*t, until m*ron got banned
mentally ret*rded was a placeholder for m*ron, until ret*rded got banned
intellectual disabled IS a placeholder for ret*rded
One thing's for sure;
i do NOT want our Professor to get in trouble with Owners of this blog
So,
i will make SURE i won't Ever use "the n-word" again.... If someone just tells me What it is?
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
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iow ---- there are nice people on both sides!!! says Professora Emerita [Trémula?]
That the blog could be cancelled tells me that power over others is the intention.
Soon every identity group will want their own forbidden slur that only they can say.
Every white person over the age of six knows it is not appropriate to say that word. Period. And I have no doubt that the commentators who thought this post was a good opportunity to write that word, anonymously of course, is a proud racist.
There's no shortage of other objectionable words for Persons of Color besides the n-word. I'm sure any one of them could get you cancelled.
"Do you lose public funding if you offend blacks, but get extra money if you talk vulgarly and turn white Christians off?"
It's not about "offending blacks". McWhorter is starting to figure that out, bless him. He's starting to realize that the list of those who will be eaten last is long enough to include Negroes.
But yes, for Althouse, it's about the fact that publication of -- that word! -- will get her blog demonetized. Or whatever. If they told Althouse that the word "sesquipedalian" occurring on her blog's comments would get her blog demonetized, what should she do? Give it up? Her choice is to be one of the people who runs a blog the way Jeff Bezos and whoever the Hell is in charge at Google want their blogs run, or to be one of the people who don't run one of those blogs. They still let us talk about Soros. That's a plus.
Ann Althouse said...
If your approach is to say they are insincere and they know they're doing the wrong thing, you have a proof problem, and you will be sidetracked into that. Take that route if you like, but I don't accept the criticism of me for choosing not to go there in my discussion this time.
This is the essence of debate reality. You assert what you think is true based on how your assertions play out in a debate rather than what is actually true.
Ann Althouse said...
"What you don't seem to have grasped yet is..."
Give me a fucking break.
That there made Tank laugh out loud.
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Unless you're hiding it, Tank is surprised you have not been canceled or threatened with cancelation because of the various comments and commenters engaging in crimetalk and crimethink.
Critical race theory isn't rigged. Critical Race Theory looks at the world through the racist's eyes, not to criticize the racist, but to justify the racism and to demonize anyone that would criticize the racist.
Critical Race Theory is embodied racism. It can only make sense to a person that is so deeply and profoundly racist that can't even identify what racism is.
There's no shortage of other objectionable words for Persons of Color besides the n-word.
And there never will be, thanks to foresight and tireless efforts of the good people who operate and maintain our National Objectionable Word Reserves.
" I will protect this blog."
Precisely! Your free speech ends at the sole of the fascist's boot. It's important to realize that. It's also necessary to point out how nice the CRT people are because CRT folks are even scarier given that you never know when the little commies will discover the underlying racism in something that was here-to-fore innocuous.
Sometimes it is just best to stick with the tried and true denigration of the Jews because they are always out of favor with both the communists and the fascists, and why should the Gestapo care what someone calls a Kike? Didn't they already kill six million of them?
Supercalifragilisticespaladocious.
there is no actual racism worth mentioning, much less fighting.
Shame on me for forgetting about the ubiquitous, systemic and systematic racism known as "affirmative action".
"I will protect this blog."
Needing to worry about it is a sign the repressive times we live in. That sword hangs over all of us.
Sigh. Not even a manifestation of the Crack Emcee can save this thread now. But I will offer the idea that as a white man, I am invested with the super-power that there is no single word for my phenotype that can reduce me to a quivering mass of jelly or fill me with a murderous rage. I offer the fountain of opprobrium from my three ex-wives as evidence. It would have been much better for people of color to choose to laugh off the so-called "n-word" than to have built a temple around it. "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me" is, I suppose, the ultimate marker of white male privilege. The rest of you, off-hued or vaginate, can only aspire to it. Rage on.
I believe Althouse wants to protect her blog from reprisal by the woke crowd, but I think the main reason for her prohibition of the-word-that-shall-not-be-uttered is that she is disgusted by it, and disgusted by people that use it.
I like John McWhorter and have liked him for a long time, but I think the way Romanian TVee ridicules this in New York Times Science Reporter Donald McNeil gets cancelled is the more effective criticism as it manages to be both humorous and dead-on accurate at the same time.
The basis of the firing(s) is that a group of people can claim they were insulted and hurt by something someone said and regardless of the context or situation around what was said....the sheer claim is enough to warrant firing.
Let's repeat that: the sheer CLAIM of something hurtful being said is enough to warrant firing.
As seen at the "newspaper of record"
N@gger rhymes with Tr@gger.
How long until we move to rhyming slang to get around bans on words?
My trigger! What's up, my bigger givers?
The left will go nuts banning additional words and playing the "I can read your mind" game.
"Brady did play well, and the QB position is obviously the most important single position in major team sports."
I think an argument could be made for the pitcher in baseball or the goaltender in hockey.
Is there another word that is subject to these restrictions? I can't think of one off the top of my head. If not that fact would support McWhorter's point.
It’s kind of like how the lines “That little f*ggot’s got his own jet airplane, that little f*ggot’s a millionaire” said ironically and admiringly in the voice of a jealous moving guy got the song banned from the airwaves in Canada, and how often does it come up on “eighties” playlists on Spotify?
Those playlists seem to emphasize message songs that resonate with people who would never listen to the music from those eras, message songs like Lola, Take a Walk on the Wild Side, Big Yellow Taxi. Those get played to death, and a song like Money for Nothing, which is a great song with great musicianship kind of fades away, another victim of the Fahrenheit 451 “fire department."
“If that isn't a call to do more ‘work’ understanding systemic racism, then the game of critical race theory is rigged.”
Well, of COURSE the game of critical race theory is rigged. That’s the whole point.
We’ve gone from Orange Man Bad to White People Bad, from TDS to WDS, and all it took was one Reichstag fire.
John McWhorter (who is African American)
Is the stuff in parenthesis part of his name now?
This is McNeil's word against the students'. He could be absolutely right. But it's hard to go out on a limb for him. Because he's elitist or White or old or male or progressive or from the Times (take your pick), but mostly because we don't know what happened. Or I don't anyway.
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What we see of people in day to day interaction with them doesn't necessarily reflect what's in their published work or what's in their heads. And what's in their published work or in their heads may not correspond to the media image of them or of the groups they belong to.
Context or scene or milieu matters a lot, and we have different reactions to people depending on the circumstances in which we encounter them and their work. I smiled and waved at Cornel West once and he smiled and waved back. I saw Kathleen Cleaver, formerly of the Panthers, and she didn't have two heads, claws or fangs. It might be different if we were up on a podium together having a debate.
The next question is to what degree personal interactions should matter in political disagreements (and to what degree political disagreements should matter in personal interactions). For a long time, Washington politicians were criticized for having such friendly dealings with people in the other party, to the point of feeling real affection for them. But when we see how people from outside politics react on the internet to those who they disagree with (and how Washington politicians feel about those on the other side nowadays) the way they were doesn't look so terrible.
It’s kind of like how the lines “That little f-word’s got his own jet airplane, that little f-word’s a millionaire” said ironically and admiringly in the voice of a jealous moving guy got the song banned from the airwaves in Canada, and how often does it come up on “eighties” playlists on Spotify?
Those playlists seem to emphasize message songs that resonate with people who would never listen to the music from those eras, message songs like Lola, Take a Walk on the Wild Side, Big Yellow Taxi. Those get played to death, and a song like Money for Nothing, which is a great song with great musicianship kind of fades away, another victim of the Fahrenheit 451 “fire department,” the same “fire department” that is no doubt chomping at the bit to do away with this blog.
Apparently I was not allowed to publish a comment that contained a quote of some lyrics of the song “Money for Nothing” that got the song banned in Canada and basically de-emphasized on Spotify so that you have to go looking for it.
Althouse is wise to not want a visit from the woke “fire department.” She doesn’t want to get disappeared.
Moderation. I don’t blame you, sorry. I should have guessed.
NYTimes is entirely populated by racists.
Does anybody remember the SNL sketch many, many years ago when Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor played the word-association game? Autres temps, autres moeurs.
I'm currently reading American Tabloid on someone's recent recommendation.
Written in 1995 takes place in 1959 or so
Several characters in the book use the n word extensively in their dialog. I think, but am not certain, it is used outside of dialog. I'll do a word search later.
In all cases, it is used in a derogatory sense. In all cases, it fits the dialog for the period.
Should McElroy be canceled for this?
Will future editions remove the word?
Btw:I am enjoying the book a lot. Thanks to whoever recommended it.
John Henry
QB position is important, for sure, but given the way the game is played, 11 on 11 in close contact, I agree with I'm Not Sure; QB is third behind baseball pitcher and hockey goaltender in importance & relevance to winning or losing.
Back to this post though: intentions matter very much to the question of whether Trump is guilty of incitement, and as to whether a reporter or teacher or anyone else should be cancelled for referencing the offending word.
It would seem that "n-word" will soon be banned, replaced by a phrase, something like "the word that may not be used". That won't change the fact that the offending word will sound in our heads, in all its ignominy.
I use "Uyghur" now as my safe word for the condition of being a Non-Person you can do anything to because of the Group they were born to. As in "We're all Uyghurs now."
Interesting that the use of it to describe myself -- or anyone who voted or spoke against the malicious police state of Obama Nation IV -- has become a more accurate synonym for [word I will not say] every single day.
G-dspeed, America.
"it makes black people look dumb"
Not at all. Black people have nothing to do with it. The n-whatever is strictly another prog tool, used to assert and amass prog power, win the culture war, and scorch the earth.
Of course, lots of black people cheer: serves those racists right. Payback, symbolic reparations. Other black people standing by on the sideline are not dumb, but strategic: many think they can benefit. One less McNeil, one more URM.
Like “anti-fascism” it is crystal clear that “anti-racism” is exactly the thing it purports to be against. Progressivism has a sordid 125+ years of being fashionably correct yet horribly evilly very wrong in actual execution.
I'm sure McWhorter is aware of the studies that consistently show that white self-identified Liberals are the only group of whites that consistently talks to all blacks as if they are children.
There are two groups that we seem to assume are too immature to handle bad words: children and Blacks.
Who are the racist, the ones treating all Blacks like children, or the rest of us who want to treat them as equals, able to handle words and even slurs like adults?
Can someone identify a charge coming from the Left at the Right that is not mostly just projection?
I don’t think about the word. I don’t want to use it. I don’t even think about it…
The left obsesses about the word. Working stiffs don’t even care.
I'm currently reading American Tabloid on someone's recent recommendation.
Written in 1995 takes place in 1959 or so
Several characters in the book use the n word extensively in their dialog. I think, but am not certain, it is used outside of dialog. I'll do a word search later.
In all cases, it is used in a derogatory sense. In all cases, it fits the dialog for the period.
Should McElroy be canceled for this?
Will future editions remove the word?
Btw:I am enjoying the book a lot. Thanks to whoever recommended it.
John Henry
Some progressive needs to whitesplain to McWhorter why they know better than black folks what is good for black folks.
Well, of COURSE the game of critical race theory is rigged
Hey, you can't use the word 'rigged', can you? Isn't that pretty close to ....
I don’t believe Paul Beatty’s book The Sellout would be very popular at your average read-aloud book club.
Black people use it casually and conversationally with each other. Progressives like different “rules” for different “races” because they are the party of “science.” Except when science doesn’t recognize the specialness of the groups progressive pander to. Is DNA “racist” too? Is DNA anti-trans? After all, Nature creates so few “transgender” creatures, it screams implied racism!
The "N-word" is now the WORD THAT SHALL NOT BE SPOKEN, or REFERRED TO, and "N-word" itself ist now VERBOTEN!!!!!! Unter sentence off DEATH!!!!
...and disgusted by people that use it.
I don't think she is disgusted by the people of high melanin content who use it in rap music* and in casual greetings to others of high melanin count.
Ann Althouse said:"Speaking of the proof problem of needing to know what's inside somebody else's head, I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out in the impeachment trial. Did Trump intend to cause an insurrection?"
Doesn't this imply that there was an insurrection? I would argue that's an inaccurate, deliberately inflammatory description of what happened at the capitol. And I'd argue it is only used to give the Democrats a plausible excuse for their kangaroo court. Yes, that has the same proof problem, but the circumstantial evidence for that is much stronger for that explanation than it is for anything Donald Trump may have said or done.
He says that those who've made it taboo to say the n-word — even just to refer to it — are making it "look like" they think black people are too dumb to understand the distinction.
Undoubtedly true, but McWhorter is wasting his time. The Progs have largely driven the word out of usage and now have to resort to going after any and all references to it to be able to take scalps. Once we've censored the works of Mark Twain and Joseph Conrad so no one references that word any more you can look forward to a push to cancel people for mentioning raccoons and jigsaw puzzles.
Sheesh, black people don’t object to this hypocritical application of the n-word because it gets them jobs, money and power. They will never stop taking advantage of it, no matter how much damage it does to their culture.
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
Some of my best friends are n-words.
Unless every song with this word in it is banned and not to be shown, then this is so ludricrous. The context doesn't matter? Ok then, ban the word and anything associated with it. Ban the songs, and ban the singers who sung them, and the shops that produced them, and the songwriters who thought them up.
Ban. Ban. Fire. Censor. Ban.
When you see the leadership of the NYTimes struggling to operate or understand what it means to have principles, you can see how far our culture has fallen.
"We had to destroy the village to save it."
The leftists tyrants will force you to do just that with this blog. Both you and they realize they can force that on you at anytime with little effort or cost to them.
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Blogger Doug said...
...and disgusted by people that use it.
I don't think she is disgusted by the people of high melanin content who use it in rap music* and in casual greetings to others of high melanin count.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that she has explicitly stated that ALL uses of this work repel her and offend her. Maybe you should pay closer attention before attributing attitudes to other people.
I was at a bar last night with friends, and the Super bowl was on at halftime. The lyrics being sung were closed captioned on the screen. I wondered out loud what would it look like if any of a hundred different pop songs of the Hip Hop genre were being sung, and how that would work being broadcast to the world. Songs likely very popular among both players and fans of the game.
---I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people. [AA]
Although persuasion, rather than condemnation, is not the way they play the game, is it? "Bad people" is totally the way they play the game.
Does that not take care of some of the "proof problem" that you raised?
Persuasion and reason are never among the tools that are utilized in these episodes. Condemnation, cancellation -- and taking everything that once belonged to he who got canceled -- those are the characteristics of most of these episodes.
What was once the blunt instrument of an Al Sharpton has become the more upscale toolkit of a Nikole Hannah-Jones. Such progress is made possible by all those who, via bamboozlement, intimidation, or fatigue, rolled over at one time or another for the viciously agenda-driven.
Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism? Surely, their meaning well isn't enough.
1: Because they know that they ARE racist pigs
2: They "fight racism" to gain absolution for their own racism (rather than you know, trying to stop being racist)
3: Their "meaning well" is the only thing that "matters", so far as they are concerned
The safe first order assumption is that all "anti-racists" are in fact racist pigs
"I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people."
JFC...and Hitler loved animals and children.
It's not about being 'very nice people.'
It's about their batshit crazy policies and what those policies will do to shred the fabric of society.
I worked with a teacher at a high school once who was the nicest person around, but I would NEVER want her making any kind of public policy, because her ideas about race, sex, and politics were insane.
Mandrewa, thank you for the RomanianTeeVee link. He's right, very right.
"Did Trump intend to cause an insurrection?"
In what way was it an insurrection?
Did any of the people in the capitol building really intend to take and hold power, becoming the new leaders of the United States government?
Of course not. They were a bunch of misguided, pissed-off protesters...no different than the BLM or Antifa people who burned down America over the summer.
Were they portrayed as insurrectionists? Of course not.
You are smarter than to fall for the 'insurrection' trope being force-fed down our throats by the mainstream media...
You may live in WI, but your world-view is shaped entirely by Manhattan.
"...then the game of critical race theory is rigged."
You can say that again.
If black people want to use the word, so what? When comedians use it, isn’t it a form of taking the sting out of the word by using it as self-deprecating? Who cares? I just watched a Netfilx Richard Pryor stand up show from 1979. He used it 100 times. It was still hilarious.
then the game of critical race theory is rigged.
The only way to win is not to play.
"Non-black people are thinking it nationwide and keeping it to themselves."
Obviously, we need to strap people into examination chairs and scan their brains while showing them certain images. It is the only way we will ever root out white racism.
"I just watched a Netfilx Richard Pryor stand up show from 1979. He used it 100 times. It was still hilarious."
Context...imagine that.
But the point is, if it truly is the most evil word to have ever existed, then it shouldn't be said at all. By anyone.
Being a free-speech advocate, I think it should printed in 100pt. bold type on the front page of the 'New York Times' and maybe folks will get over it.
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
But a bunch of egghead Libertarians talking about states' rights drove you to tears...
"I believe Althouse wants to protect her blog from reprisal by the woke crowd, but I think the main reason for her prohibition of the-word-that-shall-not-be-uttered is that she is disgusted by it, and disgusted by people that use it."
I think once you've been informed that something makes some other people feel bad, you need a good reason to keep doing it.
I learned the n-word was bad when I was a little child doing the "eeny meeny miney moe" rhyme, which in the early 1950s in Delaware had the n-word. As far as I knew, it was just another one of the nonsense words, like "miney" and "moe." Another child informed me that she had been taught that it makes "colored people" feel bad. I had no idea why this was so, no idea what it meant, but that was enough for me. I didn't want to make anybody feel bad. If there was a special group with a special sensitivity about the word, I just felt bad that I didn't know about it before, and I would never use it again. That's the kind of ethics I learned as a child.
"I just watched a Netfilx Richard Pryor stand up show from 1979. He used it 100 times. It was still hilarious."
To be fair, at the end of his performing career, Richard did a routine about how he was wrong to use the word, and would never call another Black man the n word again.
AA:"Anyway, what I am saying doesn't depend on establishing that they have bad intentions. I can say to them: You might mean well, but you are perpetuating a racist stereotype, and you shouldn't want to do that. I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people."
Exactly right. No one is doing this word-shaming while believing that they are bad people. They think they are standing up for an admirable position. But they have fetishized the n-word so that it destroys careers and livelihoods when spoken or written by people with the wrong skin-tone, and they have reduced the sin to making certain sounds. Anyone want to bandy about the word that means not generous or stingy?
Question: Does Rachel Dolezal get to say the n-word?
It's not about "disgust" for the people who use the word. It's about consideration for people who could be hurt.
For me, that's one answer to McWhorter. Some sensitive people feel hurt, and that's enough to give up the word. I don't think it's enough to fire somebody who mentioned (but did not use) the word. It's about kindness. Not disgust.
I know you're saying "disgust" because you think you can disqualify me as an elitist.
If there was a special group with a special sensitivity about the word, I just felt bad that I didn't know about it before, and I would never use it again. That's the kind of ethics I learned as a child.
And yet the precise purpose of CRT as used by those nice people you know, is to make people feel bad about, and guilty for, things they have no reason to.
I wonder if the Bitter Clingers or Deplorables have similar sensibilities?
"...then the game of critical race theory is rigged."
You say that like it's a bad thing.
For me, that's one answer to McWhorter. Some sensitive people feel hurt, and that's enough to give up the word.
Look up heckler's veto.
Lots of people felt hurt when Kathy Griffin held up the severed head of Trump, you apparently thought that was a laugh riot.
"I can say to them: You might mean well, but you are perpetuating a racist stereotype, and you shouldn't want to do that. I think that's more persuasive than demanding that they see themselves as bad people."
Argued Althouse as they closed the oven door on her.
"I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people."
And have you worked with any of them in the last 5 years? Have you asked them what they think of you, especially if they have read your blog during that time?
Maybee beat me to it.
Context again. If McNeil brought up the word himself and was lecturing teenagers on why it's wrong to use the word "N____r" one might well wonder why he was doing so and why he was saying the word. If there was some reasonable explanation for it, that would be different. The story and the incident are a little strange. More like an episode of The Office than anything else.
McWhorter's view on the rappers and the n-word is pretty complicated and nuanced. He's conflicted and his view doesn't translate well into ideological soundbites.
Althouse's recollection of "eeny, meeny, miney, moe" pretty much tracks mine, except when I reached the age of reason, my mother told me that the word was vulgar and wasn't used by educated people, so that was that. We substituted "tiger".
Heh.
The n-word is ruled forbidden for use by non-negros. Trump deplorables hardest hit, unexpectedly.
I don't know what planet you people live on, but on earth, human beings have all sorts of unwritten rules that are different for everybody. It's part of the deal.
Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
"So, i will make SURE i won't Ever use "the n-word" again....
If someone just tells me What it is?"
"Sleep, soft smiling, draws me unto her: and those receive me, who quietly treat me, as one familiar and well-beloved in that home: but will not, oh, will not, not now, not ever; but will not ever tell me who I am."
James Agee: Knoxville, Summer of 1915
"Once "the n-word" has become the universal stand in for the word it stands in for, won't we then need a word or phrase to stand in for "the n-word"?"
The next level will be "the [letter after M and before O]-word".
Babying black people with word-protection, lower academic thresholds and sad emojis re American history has to be embarrassing to individual blacks who rely on their strength, smarts and initiative to be successful. Who wants to bust his or her ass only to be considered successful because, you know...you are...well, you know.
McWhorter’s ruminations on whether the individuals in the Times mob are mean or not is naive. The Times staffers are self-consciously utopian revolutionaries in the same way as the young people in the Red Guard. Were there some Red Guard members who were sadistic and mean? Surely, but not most, and that doesn’t explain the casual meanness of Red Guards as a whole.
The Red Guard , of course, came into existence and was allowed to rampage for as long as they did only because they were supported by powerful factions in the Party and the People’s Liberation Army. Similarly, I would ask her, who are the people encouraging and protecting the Times mob and the similar revolutionary mobs at the tech companies and universities?
McWhorter and a few others who represent the vanguard of sensibility on matters like race are advancing the term neoracist to describe Kendi, DiAngelo and their legions of imitators and followers. These priests of antiracism deserve the neoracist label far more than anyone deserves the labels these SJWs apply.
"But I will offer the idea that as a white man, I am invested with the super-power that there is no single word for my phenotype that can reduce me to a quivering mass of jelly or fill me with a murderous rage. I offer the fountain of opprobrium from my three ex-wives as evidence."
Thread winner!!
Mandrewa,
Thanks for the Romanian TVEE link. First time seeing it, already bookmarked, but Youtube usually deletes things I bookmark, so it is living on borrowed time now.
Ann Althouse said...
It's not about "disgust" for the people who use the word. It's about consideration for people who could be hurt.
For me, that's one answer to McWhorter. Some sensitive people feel hurt, and that's enough to give up the word.
2/8/21, 10:50 AM
Good rule, so that should mean that no one will ever have to hear: "teabagger", "Trumpers", "deplorables", "hick", or "Trumpets" (to name just a few) ever again, right?
Sorta like girls, good girls anyway, should just give up sports.
I think once you've been informed that something makes some other people feel bad, you need a good reason to keep doing it.
Tough love.
For Christ’s sake, Howard quotes an actual book.
A weenie like Emerson to boot.
There goes the Biggus Dickus act.
I think once you've been informed that something makes some other people feel bad, you need a good reason to keep doing it.
That's weak therapy. Therapy that exposes you to what makes you feel bad until it doesn't anymore tends to work better.
Is this the feelings vs structure thing yet again? Feelings are a household ruler. Structure is a national rules.
Neither works well in the domain of the other. Women seem to think that feelings should rule everywhere, regardless.
One of the structure things is free speech. Most people know enough not to use it in the home, meaning men do too. But you can't have a larger application of that rule of politeness, or society collapses.
For me, that's one answer to McWhorter. Some sensitive people feel hurt, and that's enough to give up the word.
That's a very virtuous answer. I am willing to grant that it is perfectly sincere. Do Deplorable, Teabagger and Bitter Clinger count? How about Honky? Can an all Asian band call themselves the Slants?
I don't think it's enough to fire somebody who mentioned (but did not use) the word.
You are unclear here. A first reading seems to suggest that you expect more punishment on top of firing, but reading it again, you could be trying to say that you don't think the offense of mentioning the word is bad enough to demand they be fired.
It's about kindness. Not disgust.
There is nothing kind at all about CRT and cancel culture.
'It's not about "disgust" for the people who use the word. It's about consideration for people who could be hurt.'
These considerations are about good manners more than anything else. The classic formulation is that people with good manners consider the feelings of others in their actions and discourse.
But there is another important consideration, namely, that to function in a robust society, we need to be impervious to mere name-calling ("Sticks and stones, etc."). To create a taboo around any verbal formulation is self-defeating.
What are the next forbidden words? Or ideas?
For me, that's one answer to McWhorter. Some sensitive people feel hurt, and that's enough to give up the word.
Should Black people stop using the word?
It’s a pretty clear-headed review of the McNeil thing…..although, I instinctively disagree with his view that the mob actions to hunt down targets of opportunity to get them fired isn’t animated by mean people. I think that they are, in fact, mean, and they truly celebrate their exercise of power. High fives all around.
In general, lefties are nasty little shits.
- Krumhorn
You wanna remove the pain of the word? Everybody use it constantly. Take the previously important word FUCK.
Used to be important. Was generally reserved for special emphasis. Now, every Tom, Dick and Mary use it constantly.
Just like tattoos. Used to be military, bikers, criminals. Now, any cunt faced cocksucking pissant gonna color up.
And earrings on a (biological) man, reserved for pirates and sissies, now grade school stuff.
Anyway, every tweet, every tv program, every news broadcast, every facebook post,every internet blog and the comments should contain the magic word. Will lose it's pseudo importance quickly.
Who will defend this house? Prof will defend this house!
When I was coming up, The N-Word was about 50% of some peoples' vocabulary--and they were for the most part very nice people otherwise. Even towards Negroes/Afro-Americans/African-Americans/B/blacks depending on the context.
My parent's generation (WWII) went from living in open racism and bigotry to working with and often for POC, and in most cases were pretty mellow and tolerant and disapproving of The N-Word by the time they died.
Narr
My Opa was a wigger
Ann,
I learned the n-word was bad when I was a little child doing the "eeny meeny miney moe" rhyme, which in the early 1950s in Delaware had the n-word.
I learned the "tiger" version from the get-go, and first heard of the [bleep][censored] one only a few years ago. But, then, I'm quite a bit younger than you. Not that we were innocent of everything, either; I distinctly remember eating once or twice at a "Sambo's" in the early 70s. And now that I've announced it here (under my own name, yet!) it'll probably come back and bite me in the *ss. Or is "ass" OK?
Speaking of [censored], isn't the obvious next step wrt the FORBIDDEN WORDS that words like "censored" take their place, as curses and the like? Someone in SF has a society in which that is true. It ought to be Heinlein, but I think possibly it was Larry Niven.
mandrewa, let me join others in praise for RomanianTVee. Awesome!
HaHa! Perfect!
Ann Althouse said...
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people.
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Blogger FullMoon said...
You wanna remove the pain of the word? Everybody use it constantly.
That was the premise Dick Gregory advanced in his autobiography.
"Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism? Surely, their meaning well isn't enough."
How does one keep from being fascist, even (especially) when one believes oneself to be a revolutionary militant? How do we rid our speech and our acts, our hearts and our pleasures, of fascism? How do we ferret out the fascism that is ingrained in our behavior? The Christian moralists sought out the traces of the flesh lodged deep within the soul. Deleuze and Guattari, for their part, pursue the slightest traces of fascism in the body... Paying a modest tribute to Saint Francis de Sales, one might say that Anti-Oedipus is an Introduction to the Non-Fascist Life.
Michel Foucault --- Preface to Anti-Oedipus by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari
Watch The Original Kings of Comedy,see how soon constant repetition creates boredom
What's the over/under for how soon the Progs tell us that the words "liberty" and "freedom" are dog whistles for "fascism"?
serious question
IF person wanted to write a book about LBJ (or, maybe teach a book about LBJ)
How would you do this without using "the [letter after M and before O]-word" ??
would you (Could you) just say:
"Lyndon referred to People of Color, using words that weren't very nice"?
or
"Lyndon referred to People of Color, using words that were very, Very naughty"?
i can see how that might work, for This Week; but in a month and a half; are people going to have Any Idea what LBJ called People of Color?
Did he call them C*lored Pe*ple? Ind*ntured s*rvants? Afr*-Americ*ns? N*gr*s?
Sometimes, to get the full effect of people's wickedness.. You Have to call a Sp*de a Sp*de
If your approach is to say they are insincere and they know they're doing the wrong thing, you have a proof problem, and you will be sidetracked into that.
We generally agree that what people do...particularly a pattern of what people do...is how we determine whether they are 'good' or 'bad' people. Hitler did not look in the mirror and see a bad person looking back at him. He is the very personification of the banality of evil even if he did unspeakably evil things.
As an example, let's look at what Maxine Waters said at a rally in 2018, "If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” She continued by exhorting her crowd saying, “They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store,” she told the crowd. “The people are going to turn on them, they’re going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them.”
I'm sure that Maxine looks in the mirror and sees a perfectly lovely person looking back at her.
That lefties are nasty little shits requires no more proof than to recite the rather lengthy list of the mean things that the nasty little shits do.
- Krumhorn
Women seem to think that feelings should rule everywhere, regardless.
Yeah, saw unsportsmanlike conduct called yesterday because Buccaneer somehow hurt an opponents(usta be Chief prior to crybaby influence) feelings by flashing the two finger victory sign. Women in the house agreed with the cocksucking NFL pussies that the insult carried same weight as ripping off a helmet and punching the enemy in the face.
As an example, let's look at what Maxine Waters said ...
Plenty more where that came from..
5 Times Obama Has Encouraged Violence Against Republicans
serious question
IF person wanted to write a book about LBJ (or, maybe teach a book about LBJ)
How would you do this without using "the [letter after M and before O]-word" ??
Simple, convert it just like they do it in subtitles-nigga
I'm Not Sure said...
"Brady did play well, and the QB position is obviously the most important single position in major team sports."
I think an argument could be made for the pitcher in baseball or the goaltender in hockey."
Interesting take. Pitcher comes close, but there are a dozen or so pitchers on every team. Also, they are trying to fool the opposing batter, and only minimally react to what they see/how they go about competing based on who is in the box or what the situation on the bases is. Plus, the pitcher has none of the time pressure of a QB and nobody is coming to knock him down if he holds the ball too long. QB has to react to create for his own team based on the defense he sees, on whether his receivers are open or likely to be open when the ball arrives, down and distance, time left on the clock, timeouts, etc. To me, QB is far more cerebral than pitching, and I think an elite QB has to do more than an elite pitcher to have success.
Goaltending in hockey, to me, is reacting with virtually no creativity or responsibility for scoring or generating offense. A one-trick defensive pony. They are extremely skilled at the pro level, but any player could fill in and defend the net, though not very well against pro players. Of course the goalie has pads that cover half of the goal. A soccer goalie arguably is more like a QB and more important than a hockey goalie because of his unique (in soccer) ability to use his hands, and soccer goalies actually do create offense by distributing the ball quickly with throws or with long clearances that can spring counterattacks. Also, other than gloves, soccer goalies do not get special gear to block the goal. So hockey goalie might be the single most important position on the ice as far as winning or losing a game is concerned (same with soccer goalie), neither come close to being more critical to success than the QB in football, IMO, simply because they don't have the time pressure, don't have to create scoring, and there are more people who can do the goalie job relatively well.
Those of you who haven't, really should watch Mandrewa's link to Romainian TVEE. He of course mocks all of this, but he makes a good point about McNeil's behavior as described in McNeil's written apology- even if you grant everything McNeil wrote as true, it still makes him look very, very bad because his first reaction wasn't to answer, "Of course not, she is just 12 years old- I don't care what context she used the word." It does make me have far less sympathy for him (not that I had much anyway given all the other things he as written over the years).
Althouse said...
"It's about consideration for people who could be hurt."
But the argument isn't about a word being polite or considerate; CRT is demanding conformity to a speech code enforced and punishable by the state. Who will save Althouse if she's accused of hate speech and faces jail time or censorship? I would hate to lose my favorite blogger and the wit and insight of the many commenters who lurk here.
--What are the next forbidden words? Or ideas?
Part of the point is that we never know. That way many more can be found guilty.
Let's not forget this whole episode is within NYT. It has no direct bearing on any reality outside NYT -- except perhaps for Mrs. McNeil. So it is the definition of GIGO.
But it does show us where we're headed if people keep taking this stuff and its source seriously. There are only a few left who do. Somehow or other, I got brainwashed into writing three prior comments on the subject. Or maybe I was seduced by our hostess. That sounds better! I apologize to all my comrades, my enemies, and my utterly-indifferents for having let them down in this way. It is deeply serious and a terrible misjudgment that I hope will not damage the institution of the Althouse Blog and, in the larger sense, the Internet. For I love that institution and would not see it hurt by any discussion of anything at any time. And I know all others who committed any comments will say something similar in their souls. If they have souls, any kind of souls! Does anybody remember laughter?? Now stop, Kai Akker, that was enough.
"I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people."
Were any of them Black?
Systemic racism is phlogiston, the cause of fire. It has to exist because there are fires. So it's what prevents blacks from doing as well as whites, and obviously exists because they don't.
Outstanding!
- Krumhorn
I use the upper case when referring to Blacks in print. It's this year's preferred usage and no skin off my nose to use it. That said, I wonder how long before militants start calling out "black" instead of "Black" as a microagression. Maybe even get some people cancelled because they used the "lower case word".
The problem is that white, pearl-clutching, virtue signalling, idiots can distinguish the difference, but choose not to because there is such sparse evidence of systemic racism that they grasp at every straw.
I believe most black people are somewhat desensitized to the word because it's used so often within their community. Others saying it as a reference is not really a problem for them in my experience and most would prefer the discussion of the N-word just go away.
AA “ I don't care what you have written or whether you're on the right side of the use/mention distinction, I'm going to delete you if you write out the n-word. I will protect this blog.”
The point is folks AA understands that GOOGLE does not respect the use/mention distinction.
"[Hitler] is the very personification of the banality of evil even if he did unspeakably evil things."
This is totally off-topic, but I don't think Hitler is even remotely the personification of the banality of evil. He was not a normal person in any significant sense. It was some of his followers that were the personification of the banality of evil.
But if you dig into Hitler's life he left an astonishing trail of destruction behind him. He seems to have betrayed everyone that believed in him. Throughout his life, simply knowing Hitler had a way of ending up very badly for a lot of people.
But at the same time he seemed to have a magnetic appeal. I can't understand why because there seems to be nothing about the man that seems appealing. But self-evidently he did have a hold on people.
Ann Althouse said...
Speaking of the proof problem of needing to know what's inside somebody else's head, I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out in the impeachment trial. Did Trump intend to cause an insurrection?
That doesn't matter. "Sentence first! Verdict afterwards."
New forbidden words are changing the locks on being in the in-group. You really have to be current not to be killed as a heretic. Old membership isn't enough.
Some slurs die a natural death. Nobody is calling for Shakespeare to be censored for using the term blackamoor....If you referred to a Jew as a ragpicker, he'd be puzzled more than insulted. At the time of the Erie Canal, Irish considered the term ditchdigger an insult....Me, personally, I can't think of any ethnic or class insults that would wither my soul, but I've, nevertheless, received some insults that made me want to curl up in the corner and die.....I guess Black people now have the power to destroy the career of someone who publicly vocalizes that word, but, depend upon it, there are some who will find a time and place to use that word to harmful effect....And, depend upon it, some Black teenagers will find a time and a place to inflict such harm as will keep the word alive and vibrant.
FullMoon said...
Women seem to think that feelings should rule everywhere, regardless.
Yeah, saw unsportsmanlike conduct called yesterday because Buccaneer somehow hurt an opponents(usta be Chief prior to crybaby influence) feelings by flashing the two finger victory sign. Women in the house agreed with the cocksucking NFL pussies that the insult carried same weight as ripping off a helmet and punching the enemy in the face.
2/8/21, 12:29 PM
Apparently these days we hold our professional athletes to a higher standard while they are doing their job than we do politicians while they do their job.
A little bit of racism should be ok. Think of it as a vaccine.
Racism:
1. Old Fart racism is defined as being bigoted towards a culture based on skin color.
2. NKOB racism is in in the air. It's everywhere. If you white you blight.
Progressives talk version 2 about Conservatives who interpret it as version 1.
Apples and Oranges. The same social framework that conspired against Trump is working overtime now against millions of people. The real pandemic virus here is this framework trying to fool you.
"Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism?"
Why, oh, why? It's a mystery! I can't believe it! Why aren't they better? Why?
Then again, we are dealing with progs, and progs don't do introspection a la Althouse. Actually, they don't give a damn about what nice women think. The right is racist, the left is not, period. Racism accusations go from left to right, to advance the cause, not in the other direction, period.
At some point, you'd think, even the nice liberal women figure it out. When Althouse truly gives up on the pointless why-don't-they nonsense, we'll know.
I stopped paying attention to this type of thing 20 years ago when we were all supposed to be super-duper double-plus offended by the word "niggardly."
From colored people (i.e. low information attribute) to people of color (i.e. blocs, identity defined by skin color), diversity [dogma] is indeed a progressive condition. Rescind your liberal license, lose your Pro-Choice quasi-religion, discover principles of individual dignity, individual conscience, intrinsic value, and inordinate worth.
Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism?
It's lovely that our host gives the "systemic racism" crowd as a whole the benefit of the doubt like this. But after so many years, and after so much "work's" having been done by that crowd (the "work" consisting of the painless, public self-flagellation of declaring oneself an irredeemable racist without any consequences), doesn't Occam's Razor suggest instead that they believe they're doing everything necessary by carrying out that painless, public self-flagellation and by denouncing everyone who doesn't follow their lead?
But the Bucs defense, consisting entirely of black players (at least the starters), was awesome as well.
The defense was indeed awesome and a major reason for their Super Bowl run, but one of their starters is Tongan.
"Why don't those who believe racism is pervasive feel compelled to analyze the racism in their own efforts to fight racism?"
Diversity [dogma] is merely asymptotically a wicked solution (e.g. selective-child), and the latter has been normalized by a large minority, perhaps majority, of our population. So, denying individual dignity, individual conscience, intrinsic value, normalizing color blocs (e.g. people of color), color quotas, and affirmative discrimination is still, and will likely remain, politically congruent policy until they either discover principles or empathy afflicts them close to home and becomes personal.
This who can and can't say n****** was placed into the minds of Americans over 20 years ago on Saturday Night Live.
Three guys were sitting around watching sports in the living room. Two were black one was white. During the sketch, the black folks, in reference to some athlete said, "He's my n*****!" But when the white gyu said, "Michael Jordan, he's my n*****, the audience fell silent and we learned right then and there that the word n***** was wholly owned by n*****s.
Living in a world full of imperfect people, I don't feel the need to tell blacks that they should tolerate that word coming from my mouth; I realize that there are arguments otherwise, but I am willing to consider it simple politeness and not an impediment on my usable vocabulary.
As for its usage in the black community: I find it jarring, but pretty much will just shrug my white shoulders.
And as for the perceived silliness of the 'n-word' as the substitute: I would rather it be called the 'n-slur' than the 'n-word' though -- it is more precise as to why the word is not mentioned, and less childish to my ears.
My niggardly two cents.
I am Laslo.
The Onion once mocked the n-word hysteria. Making a porn video, black guy is going at it with a white babe, the white babe in ecstasy shouts "go, n-word!"
Action stops, woman gets horrified and dirty looks, is ejected in shame.
I doubt the video is still at the Onion, lest it be cancelled for several more modern reasons.
I have known and worked with some of the prominent Critical Race Theory people. I always thought they were very nice people
I heard Josef Mengele was very nice people. He used to hand out candy.
You've got to mention the n-word to mock the left. It hardly has any other use.
I will protect this blog.
Which begs the question: From?
The Nazis sold themselves on common decencies, love of country and family. They were nice people, but dealt with heretics as the nice left does today.
That's a universal result of virtue that goes public.
It's in the category of cheap grace, is its appeal.
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