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216 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»more delays in vaccinations.
Just let Walgreens and CVS distribute it already.
A lot of people in politics, and I emphatically include Twitter censors, seem to be trying to whip things up.
I absolutely support sending in the national guard to quell the riot. I always support stopping riots. But it is important also to notice the double standard. Ordinary people are threatened in the street all summer and not much happens. Politicians are threatened once and they use live rounds and the armed response is quick.
An unarmed innocent young woman was shot to death while participating in a peaceful protest today.
One day, there will be statues of her in many cities, her pictures will be on stamps.
Today, creeps on the internet are saying she deserved it.
Please, if your first instinct was to think she deserved, while being unarmed, to be shot to death by a cowardly individual with a gun: if that was something you thought, please please please be a better person tomorrow than you are today, because, frankly speaking, if you thought that, you are a monster.
Martin Luther King trespassed a lot, God bless him: but no cop shot him.
It sure seems folks are being hoist with petards, but having trouble deciding exactly who's been hoist with whose petard.
they have locked down this country for eight ten months, destroyed dozens of city centers, torn down monuments, demanded that signs of tribute to be posted over their spoils of war,
a senator was attacked in the middle of dc, a whole crew of congressman were targeted by an bernie bro, one was nearly killed, but that's water off our backs,
The woman who was shot became an instant martyr. "Merit" is a strange idea in this context. She earned that status by her unwilled and inadvertent sacrifice. My heart goes out to her soul and to her family and friends as they try, impossibly, to patch the hole in the world where she once stood.
Now she will be used and abused by the politicians, for and against. A symbol for something. Also, alas, an accelerant in future "confrontations." Her name will be invoked to justify who knows what.
These are the crazy years.
Stay safe, people. Try to get some perspective.
And pray for the lost.
Things aren’t gonna calm down. War motherfuckers.
Things are never going to settle down.
You don't get to disenfranchise 75 million people and have things settle down.
It doesn't work that way.
The only thing that will bring peace is for Biden and Trump to both step down and hold a new election using the laws we all agreed to.
But we all know that will never happen.
So 2021 is going to make 2020 look tame.
That would seriously fucking suck.
The inevitable tax revolt is going to open a lot of eyes.
I would hate to be dependent on a government fixed retirement package right now.
The people bidding up crypto would seem to agree.
I am also quite sure that the police everywhere are going to get a lot of funding from the establishment.
I find it interesting that the National Guard is being brought up.
Just who do people think the National Guard is?
Achilles
Losing is not disenfranchisement. That is what I have been telling Democrats for 4 years. I guess now I need to tell Republicans. Sometimes you lose. It’s allowed. I lose most of the time in Canada.
I agree that American elections suck, are not transparent, and are not secure enough. America is bad at running elections. Trumpkins tell me to fuck off every time I point it out. But even if there is cheating you can still lose. You have to accept that sometimes you lose. It’s allowed.
Ken B, if it were only the election we were losing, we could deal with that. But our Republic is at stake.
That video was pretty graphic. Rest in Peace, lady AF veteran. I have nothing to add here. Many of the commenters on the previous post have said what I would have.
THEOLDMAN
The DC National Guard is prolly a few hundred metrosexuals and fudgepackers, but the Guard most everywhere else is largely conservative small-town and suburban young people that consider service to our country a way of life.
en B said...
Achilles
Losing is not disenfranchisement. That is what I have been telling Democrats for 4 years. I guess now I need to tell Republicans. Sometimes you lose. It’s allowed. I lose most of the time in Canada.
I agree that American elections suck, are not transparent, and are not secure enough. America is bad at running elections. Trumpkins tell me to fuck off every time I point it out. But even if there is cheating you can still lose. You have to accept that sometimes you lose. It’s allowed.
We all had a process. That process was abrogated.
The election was non-transparent by force.
Once you kick republican poll observers out the election is fraudulent by definition. They broke the the election laws we all agreed to. The election process was not followed.
We were all disenfranchised.
Period.
Now people will not accept the result. That is the natural result of breaking a previously held agreement.
Sensible approach. I'm giving it 48 hours for the fog to clear and the rime to dissipate.
Even though I'm 70 and have light COPD (which I can control with a regular Albuterol inhaler) I want to be the last in line to get the vaccine. I want to see what the long term effects are first. I've been able to dodge the Chinese lung crud by maintaining social distancing at stores and the gym. I disinfect every surface I'm going to touch both before and after touching and use hand sanitizers liberally. Because I have COPD I had to cut the inner 2 layers out of my mask so that I could breathe thru it. Otherwise It's like putting a pillow over my face. I've read enough that I don't believe they can stop virus particles but wear it where it's required. In the gym I wear the mask when lifting but not when on the treadmill or bike and they're cool with that. Love Princeton Club Express.
We now know who was killed By the Capital Hill Police. A woman who was a 12 year AF veteran, a high=level security officer, and a true patriot. Her family is left grief stricken. And her crime? Just standing there, when the Capital Hill Police decided to shoot into a crowd of protestors.
As far as I know, not ONE antifa was killed by the DC or Capital Hill police no matter how much damage they caused, or who they attacked. However, Trump supporters are killed without mercy. I hope the killer is brought to justice, and the family sues their asses off.
Amount of Outrage by the Never-Trumpers, democrats, and News Media? Zero.
Until then, Stephen Cooper @7:38 PM.
Put, what, roughly 2/3 or 3/4 of the country under house arrest.
Destroy their businesses
Burn down the cities. Nary a person arrested. and the few that are/were are right back out.
yes, it's telling that few people got exuberant on our protected political class and the cops are using live rounds.
Maybe a bit more sacrifice needs to be shared with the politicians.
It's a crying shame the noose at the capitol remains unused
Crazy Lynn Cheney -another Democrat in Republican clothes - and accused Trump of "Forming a mob and Inciting a mob". A complete lie. Why do all these Establishment R's now sound like Pelosi and Schumer? Its like the end of Animal Farm, where you can't tell the Republican Pigs from the Democrat Pigs.
Even though I'm 70 and have light COPD (which I can control with a regular Albuterol inhaler) I want to be the last in line to get the vaccine.
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That's fine.
The problem is that slave states like California and NY are just sitting on it, for no reason except that they love the lockdowns and want to maintain them forever.
“Now she will be used and abused by the politicians, for and against. A symbol for something. Also, alas, an accelerant in future "confrontations." Her name will be invoked to justify who knows what.”
Yes, and no. I’m guessing politicians of any stripe will be very reluctant to mention her name, or even allude to her. But there’s undoubtedly a lot of people out there who will take her death to heart. Unknown people now, but, I fear, very well known once their anger and frustration leads them to do whatever it is that they’re moved to do.
I’ve watched the last couple of months with fascination. A classic example of postwar Americans thinking they’re exempt from history.
Clearly an unperson, ce
1) 100,000 Trump supporters at DC, and about 200 people decided to break into the Capital Building. I'm not aware of ANY violence against anyone, the violence all came when the Capital Hill police decided to start shooting.
2) We have no idea how many of these Capital Hill protesters were Actual Trump supporters and how many were anarchists or Antifa running a false flag operation.
3) This is now being used to derail and distract from any discussion of the coup run against Trump and the certification of fraudulent electors. Biden immediately made a speech after the Capital Hill trespassing, which indicates this may have all been pre-planned.
Mockturtle
Playing the Democrats' game by their rules you lose. Insist on fair, transparent elections, before it’s too late.
On this blog I have laid out a clear strategy you can use against Democrats because it is designed to appeal to Democrat voters rhetorically.
In medicine and a boatload of other ways the Democrats point to Canada as the example. They are often wrong but this time they are right. Our elections have none of the crap you guys have. It’s simple to argue for, and it’s simple to do. But just look at the reactions here. The Trumpkins would rather “lose the republic” than even consider it. And THAT is the real reason while you might indeed lose the republic: because those who claim to fight for it are too bull headed and fuckwitted to actually do so. Petulant children like Achilles who'd rather see it burn.
rcocean - it apparently was a DC city police officer.
Big difference. Not a Capitol police officer - those guys are well trained and are the best of the best.
Reading comments and listening to talk radio just shows why the Center-Right always loses. In fact, I think the WANT to lose. Here's the shiny ball folks, go chase the shiny ball. Levin spent almost his whole program attacking Trump supporters for breaking into the Capital Building when he didn't even know who they were. Or that 499 out of 500 Trump supporters were NOT breaking into the building. OR that no one was killed or injured by the trespassers.
But Levin had to spend his whole program making sure EVERYONE knew he was a "Reasonable Conservative" and didn't support violence. Pathetic.
“Now people will not accept the result. That is the natural result of breaking a previously held agreement”
The agreement breakers are DJT cult members that make up imaginary fraud rather than accepting that America has decided to kick DJT to the curb. You are bad people. Embarrassments for our country..
Best case is that something isn’t working upstairs. Malfunction or lack of function. You are incapable of better. OTOH maybe you are knowingly a POS.
I dunno.
DC city police officer? what the hell are they doing in the Capital Building.
And who cares anyway. They were under the control of the Capital Hill Police since the shooting was in the Capital Hill area.
"I’m waiting for things to settle down."
Not anytime soon Miss Cruel Neutrality.
They stole the election, not once but twice, including yesterday. The same national guard which was silent in a dozen cities including dc this summer sprung to action today.
William50 @ 8:17: Best luck with the COPD. I love your attitude, man.
Folks: I believe the name of the murdered woman is Ashli Babbett: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/protester-killed-in-capitol-was-air-force-vet-from-california/. Peace be upon her.
And for the cowards who did this or endorse this? Fire.
Anyway, That's all I have to say. I'm not interested in debating any left-wing liar who wants to win by vote fraud and will say black is white and up is down if it will get the D's power. Fuck that noise.
Adios.
And Fuck Mitt Romney.
rcocean said...
We now know who was killed By the Capital Hill Police. A woman who was a 12 year AF veteran, a high=level security officer, and a true patriot. Her family is left grief stricken. And her crime? Just standing there, when the Capital Hill Police decided to shoot into a crowd of protestors
She was not just standing there. She was climbing through a broken window, attempting to breach her third defensive perimeter of the day. ( The others being the capital grounds and the capital building.)
And the shooter was not shooting into the crowd, they were shooting her. With her position in the window, if the shot missed or went through her, it would go over the heads of anyone behind her.
It was ok for BLM riots to loot and burn small businesses but we should be outraged because some of the townsfolk took pitchforks and torches to Swamp Central?
“I'm not interested in debating any left-wing liar who wants to win by vote fraud and will say black is white and up is down if it will get the D's power.”
Does your brain know that Elected Rs and R judges have told you you’ve got it backwards?
That’s right, you and DJT are the only ones that can be shown to be guilty re trying to override America’s will and the constitution.
Can you process facts and reality?
Flamethrowers which in most places don’t require permits would make it even hotter in here. And they’re great in winter for snow removal. They must be really scary and unpleasant to use or I figure we’d have seen more of them. Is it some kind of gentleman’s agreement? A norm that prevents us from it, and if so how many norms always from today’s broken norms?
I recall being told, "This is what democracy looks like." I wonder if that sentiment still holds.
I recalled that, it seems to have had a comeback this spring, without much pushback.
“We now know who was killed By the Capital Hill Police. A woman who was a 12 year AF veteran, a high=level security officer, and a true patriot. Her family is left grief stricken.”
If this is true, this woman should’ve known what she was doing was illegal and she was acting as an insurrectionist. She was no patriot.
I’m sorry she has made her family go through this hell.
Ultimately that combination of lawfare and direct action took down walker and replaced him with the cadaver.
Ken B: I must say that one of my bêtes noires is Canadians who tell us how to run our country. I've met lots of them because, prior to this year, many spend winters here in AZ. While some are sympathetic with our situation, just as many are contemptuous of everything American. Almost as if Canada was a country that matters.
Everybody seems to be virtue signalling. Virtue that goes public turns into the worst sort of evil, as Hannah Arendt said. Look at Romney.
For instance blocking Trump's tweets. That seems more alarming than any invasion of the capitol.
Cabinet members debating 25th amendment to remove Trump, whoever is running that story is another example.
Nothing good will happen until the media lose their audience, which means soap opera women have to tune out, finally, in disgust.
“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” - Barack Obama
“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” - Maxine Waters
“Please don’t just come here today and then go home. Go to the Hill today. Get up and, please, get up in the face of some congresspeople.” - Cory Booker
Inga spreading some love.
Inga @ 8:43: I appreciate that you need your virtue-signaling and judgmental sanctimony to maintain your ego. But here, have just a taste of the real world. Watch Ashli dying. https://banned.video/watch?id=5ff63502f23a18318ceb28a7
The worst things that happen in the capitol are the crap that they pull there, not the invasions. Remember every controversy in the last four years?
Hard to think of any reason to respect the place except it's part of a once-functioning system. It won't function again unless something surrounding elections is cleaned up, including audience priming.
Chuck said...
Achilles said...
Things are never going to settle down.
You don't get to disenfranchise 75 million people and have things settle down.
Gosh, the only thing I can think of, worse than the imaginary "disenfranchisement" of 75 million people, would be the actual disenfranchisement of the 81,283,098 people who voted for the winner of the election.
You know there is no where near that many actual people that voted for Joe Biden. More like 60 million +/-3 mill.
Nobody believes it.
Not even you.
The only thing you do by posting something like that is show everyone what a lying soulless loser you are.
And stupid too.
Ken B: I must say that one of my bêtes noires is Canadians who tell us how to run our country. I've met lots of them because, prior to this year, many spend winters here in AZ. While some are sympathetic with our situation, just as many are contemptuous of everything American. Almost as if Canada was a country that matters.
I love you, Mock.
Has anybody remarked how much Limbaugh's show sucks now, excepting Mark Steyn usually.
Rush lost the love of pranks a few years ago and that was that. Steyn still sees humor in things, the other hosts don't.
Don't forget the typsetter's registration mark leading the the shooting of whoever the lady was, blamed on Sarah Palin. The birth of the current variety of pearl clutching.
Flamethrowers which in most places don’t require permits would make it even hotter in here. And they’re great in winter for snow removal. They must be really scary and unpleasant to use or I figure we’d have seen more of them. Is it some kind of gentleman’s agreement? A norm that prevents us from it, and if so how many norms always from today’s broken norms?
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Flamethrower operators in WWII were treated poorly if captured.
Rush occassional muses but most of his satires have come true.
I'm sure it's an interesting story, but who fired the shot? Seems like a bystander thing at worst. Blacks do that every day and nobody cares.
Ashli Babbitt, RIP
Shorter Inga: Ashli asked for it and deserved it
The swamp's idea is to preserve pretending. Nothing is dysfunctional, we're just doing our jobs. Trump's idea was do away with pretending.
Just think. If we had the limited government our founders intended, it wouldn't matter what band of thieves were currently in power.
“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” Trump, a Republican, tweeted on Dec. 20. “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”
“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and Congressmen and women,” Trump told the crowd, standing with the White House as a backdrop.
Speaking at what could be his last rally as the sitting president, Trump exhorted his supporters “to fight.”
“We will never give up, we will never concede,” Trump said, delighting the crowd by calling Democratic victories the product of what he called “explosions of bullshit.””
Reuters
The sergeant at arms in the Canadian parliament managed to repel an invasion without shooting anybody.
That's a good line, of Trump's.
Inga, someone's child was murdered today, and you are heaping coals on the grieving family.
Be better than that -- YOU TOO ARE A HUMAN BEING!
No she isnt, she pretends better than the chuckbot but not by much.
Inga said...
Ashli wasn’t a child. She knew what she was doing (Or was she a mindless cult victim?) She was no patriot.
Her blood is on your hands too.
You are an enemy of freedom. She defended freedom all her life.
She was a better person than you. That much is obvious.
I've had a super busy (well-timed) day at work. Not yet over. Good day to ignore DC.
"Cops Shoot Unarmed Black Guy" Headline repeated over and over again. Did I say over and over again? Why, yes I did. Riots ensue, cities burn.
Cop Shoots Unarmed Protester. "Serves her right" ... from our resident philosopher.
stephen cooper said...
Inga, someone's child was murdered today, and you are heaping coals on the grieving family.
Be better than that -- YOU TOO ARE A HUMAN BEING!
You are a good man stephen.
I hope the country can be handed back to people like you some day.
Is Chuckles still pretending to be a Republican? Because he sure reads as a triumphant Democrat. Surely an LLR would at least be pretending to be sorry about the Democrats taking over. You know, a "more in sorrow than in anger" take.
Ken B. writes:
”I agree that American elections suck, are not transparent, and are not secure enough. America is bad at running elections. Trumpkins tell me to fuck off every time I point it out. “
That last sentence is a lie and unless and until he can link to examples of his assertion that any “Trumpkins” wrote what he says was written, then he should be presumed to be lying for the sheer love of lying. In fact he has named me, in particular, as having defended American election processes. I cannot even begin to imagine saying that because I regard our processes as being tailored, in the main, by Democrats for the express purpose of supporting election fraud.
rhhardin @ 9:08: "...without shooting anybody." Now I'm confused. I thought the guy --Kevin Vickers-- had shot the assailant. In 2014. Drilled the guy, dead-center perfect. On the run or near to it. Very impressive work.
Am I thinking of the wrong event?
Time for a new movement, PLM. Patriots Lives Matter.
Special edition Scott Adams periscope is good on the matter: episode 1244.
Hard to think of any reason to respect the place except it's part of a once-functioning system. It won't function again unless something surrounding elections is cleaned up, including audience priming.
Agree, rhhardin.
Owen you may be right.
Ashli Babbitt, RIP Amen! The first martyr to the Cause. She will be remembered and revered.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
And the shooter was not shooting into the crowd, they were shooting her. With her position in the window, if the shot missed or went through her, it would go over the heads of anyone behind her.
A bullet that goes up must come down. Maybe on bare ground, maybe into a baby carriage. A window is a narrow entry point. Without bothering to watch the video- she could have been stopped by someone running at her and whacking her with a baton before she completed entry.
“She was not just standing there. She was climbing through a broken window, attempting to breach her third defensive perimeter of the day. ( The others being the capital grounds and the capital building.)”
This woman was no innocent patriot protestor. She was engaging in a riot, climbing through a smashed window into the Speakers chamber hallway, being yelled at by police to stop. She didn’t. You can turn her into a martyr, but I bet she’d rather be alive. She was a “strong Trump supporter” and a Q cultist. Maybe she wasn't in her right mind. Who knows.
I believe the name of the murdered woman is Ashli Babbett: Peace be upon her.
Our society, with cause, place women and children, first. I suppose that we should wait for due process; but, at first glance, this shooting was a bad choice. RIP
Yeah. Take a deep breath, Ann.
Conversely, don't let the media dictate to you what upsets you and what doesn't upset you.
700 cops put into intensive care by ANTIFA and BLM doesn't upset you.
The media essentially not reporting this doesn't upset you.
Two assassinated cops in NYC, five in Dallas, four in Washington State, Two in Utah, Two in Baltimore, Two in Miami, Two in Tampa Bay, One in Mississippi, Two in Detroit, shall I go on, all tied to Antifa and BLM, doesn't upset you. Multiple civilians attacked and murdered by ANTIFA/BLM doesn't even register in your bubble.
Do you need a day, Ann? Do you need a day for the hundreds of millions of other people's property damage, thousands of shut businesses, average murder rates up 40% at minimum and up to 95% in cities hit by BLM/ANTIFA violence, hundreds of thousands of livelihoods ruined by these thugs...does this "bother" you too much before you need a minute? Of course it doesn't affect your taxpayer pension, does it?
For the record, we've been rooting out federal agent and leftist infiltrators urging our members to violent acts for years in the citizen activist groups I work with. I can't think of one real member of any of these groups who would so much as incur a parking ticket on purpose, let alone riot. And I know thousands of them.
Naivety is unbecoming. You're way too old to play an ingenue. You don't need time to process anything. You've chosen the side whose lies you choose to cover for. How morally degraded.
I try to remain uninformed. I turned on the news and watched about five minutes. Then I turned it off. Double standards on full display. The newscasters will luxuriate in their outrage. Me, I'll watch Amazon Prime. I subscribe to the Great Courses. I know the difference between Visigoths and Goths. You can learn a lot of stuff if you watch those Great Courses instead of the news....I check out CNBC in the morning. If the world is going to end, the market will probably tank. It was up today and the futures for tomorrow are also up.
Headline this evening from Zero Hedge:
"Trump Supporters Swarm Governor's Mansion In Washington State"
Good grief, it's spreading. Who would have guessed?
Its a stolen election, which was required to install gov cadaver to involuntarily suspend the voter id, to let the riotees destroy kenosha, to swing the supreme court election which enabled the second steel
I love that people, following Trump's lead, are still saying Trump got 75 million votes and Biden 81 million. Check the official results. Trump lies about everything.
Special edition Scott Adams periscope is good on the matter: episode 1244.
"Episode 1244 Scott Adams: In Hindsight, A More Transparent Election Might’ve Been A Good Idea"
Yea, that was then. Today, after weeks to prepare, they should have welcomed an assembly, and invited a delegation of representatives to present their concerns. And Trump had a right to ask for supporting data of a clear certification. Americans have civil rights and standing.
"I love that people, following Trump's lead, are still saying Trump got 75 million votes and Biden 81 million. Check the official results. Trump lies about everything."
When it comes to votes, you can make up whatever number you want. We learned that from your side.
Inga @ 9:31: "...This woman was no innocent patriot protestor."
Inga. Inga. Inga.
**rubs brow wearily**
Inga, at some point you should stop defending the indefensible.
Think about it here. What facts can you hope to adduce that would so mitigate the sin of shooting this young woman as she --at worst-- banged on some glass in another taxpayer-funded mausoleum to vanished liberties, that you could check or silence the people who here are absolutely incandescent with rage at her pointless death?
There is nothing you can say to even the score, to silence them.
So by continuing your vile yammering, what exactly do you do, but prove how heartless and stupid you are?
"another taxpayer-funded mausoleum to vanished liberties"
Nuff said.
That last sentence is a lie and unless and until he can link to examples of his assertion that any “Trumpkins” wrote what he says was written, then he should be presumed to be lying for the sheer love of lying. In fact he has named me, in particular, as having defended American election processes
He did the same thing to me, completely ignoring the dozens of calls I have made for electoral reform before and after the election. I've written him off as a troll.
Viva and Barnes speak on events. I do like Barnes, smart guy.
Inga. Top marks to you. In the category of Unable To Hear A Fucking Thing.
With honorable mention in the category of Callous Bitch.
Doesnt look like much of a warning
https://triggered.locals.com/post/319706/im-not-posting-these-to-be-a-sensationalist-im-posting-for-the-sake-of-transparency
"She was climbing through a smashed window in the Speakers chamber hallway, to breach it while being yelled at by the Capitol police to stop."
I guess she should have gone for the officer's gun. THEN she could have been a martyr.
Gospace said...
A bullet that goes up must come down.
Unless it lodges into the far wall, which would have been the next thing it would hit, still on an upward trajectory. Sure, there is a very, very small chance that a missed shot could ricochet off something and then hit one of the many other protesters that were where they should not have been. But the shooter didn't miss.
As I said, not firing into a crowd
Media will find a way to smear the murdered woman. Bet on it. I gave has already started.
My favorite part of all this is the switcheroo some people seem to have had with this riot compared to the riots this summer. It is on both sides. Many during the summer gave open support for the rioters talking about the necessity of violence in protest blah blah. Now many of these same people are decrying what happened today. Also many decried the riots in the summer but now try to paint what happened to today as a mere protest. I will say though, that those that supported violent riots in summer shouldn't be surprised that it happened on the other side. Once you pay the Danegeld you always get more Danes.
"She was climbing through a smashed window ... to breach it while being yelled at by the Capitol police to stop."
Cops yell at suspects to stop all day long. It's now a license to kill?
You may want to quit digging.
Youve been making excuses for rioters for eight monthes and for gangsters like ms-13 for years, is that how the udba (serbian secret police under tito) did it.
When pride burns so hot in a person that even the loss of a precious life is rationalized. God forgive our hubris and help us to be humble, teachable, and have true compassion.
What did people think would happen when riots and property destruction were defended as somehow justified all summer long?
When another group has a grievance, you have shown them what to do.
"Youve been making excuses for rioters for eight monthes and for gangsters like ms-13 for years"
The DNC-MSM has been actively egging on riots since at least Ferguson in 2014. Kamala in particular.
Look what we have here
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/06/dc-mayor-told-federal-law-enforcement-to-stand-down-day-before-violent-us-capitol-riot/
I dont recall if i was here back then, but probably so. 'Hands up' except if youre an airforce veteran with four tours.
Inga said...
If this is true, this woman should’ve known what she was doing was illegal and she was acting as an insurrectionist.
The board nutjob pretends she's an "insurrectionist" because it justifies her hatred. What do we suppose the chances are she referred to anyone who tried to burn down a federal building with people inside similarly?
Politics has driven people insane.
Inga said...
Ha, I love the hypocrisy.
Unless you can show us where you called BLM insurrectionists you are the hypocrisy.
Bear spray? The Air Force vet was unarmed.
Blogger stephen cooper said...
Inga, someone's child was murdered today, and you are heaping coals on the grieving family.
Be better than that -- YOU TOO ARE A HUMAN BEING!
Citation needed.
Riots are riots. This was a riot, like the ones we had all summer. Nothing excuses them, nothing justifies them, and people get hurt. The people that burned up Kenosha and destroyed neighborhoods in Chicago led to this. None of it is justified.
Civil order needs to be maintained.
As pointed out bowser enabled this fracaa like a certain mayor in virginia.
Inga, it might be a good time to shut up.
"The board nutjob pretends she's an "insurrectionist" because it justifies her hatred. What do we suppose the chances are she referred to anyone who tried to burn down a federal building with people inside similarly?"
I usually don't bother to read known troll posts. But I have to admit that I make an exception for Inga. There's just too much gold those posts.
"Old Black Lady: I waited 12 hours in the freezing rain to vote because I'm old enough to remember when I couldn't!
Old MAGA Lady: I rioted at the Capitol to deny her vote because my cult leaders ego has been tarnished."
Middle age "Black" "Lady:" FWEEDOM!
I am glad Inga agrees that rioters can be shot. Free fire on antifa and blm rioters is now sanctioned.
Staff of said candidate (cigar store indian) raised funds to release protesters
What a great excuse for Trump tolerating R's to bail on substantive issues.
Save us Team Joementia!
Save us!!!
(Thanks Viking horns hat dude. Well played)
Welcome DarigoldVanilla..minted 1/21.
someone please explain
what is the harm in allowing Senators who want to object and initiate debate?
what is the calculus here?
amount of dirty laundry or lack of cleaning supplies
where is mom USA to take laundry to be done?
Amadeus 48 said...
Civil order needs to be maintained.
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Please explain the intent behind the 2nd Amendment.
Free clue: it's not to maintain "public order".
Oops..Darigold got deleted or nuked zirself.
One thing I think everyone should be aware of. The following article was known of and circulated at least somewhat around the vast crowds before anyone went to the Capitol:
BREAKING: Pence Releases Statement Ahead of Certification of Electoral College, Says He Will NOT Block Biden’s Electors
Everyone there knew that the last non-violent petition for a redress of our grievances had been attempted, and every single last such petition was dismissed with nothing but sneers and contempt.
I sincerely hope every statehouse in every blue state, preferably starting with the ones where tens of thousands of nursing home residents were systematically executed, gets overrun over the next few days.
Scott Adams, droll workplace cartoonist, is an ignoramus on election matters.
Good God, what a total coward! I thought Althouse would at least be able to offer her opinion about immediate experience without having it fed to her from WaPo or the NYT, but that was too much to ask.
Today was a facepunch the size of the Tet Offensive. Except real. If you're not listening to Vox Day's analysis, you're not honestly smart enough to merit the effort of explanation, but this wasn't even a battle. White male protestors effortlessly swept aside the police, and could have killed everyone left inside the House chamber if they felt like it. Pelosi had a humiliating retreat from the territory she controlled: it was worse than Pompey Magnus leaving Rome, and he ended up being a head shorter at the hands of a numerically inferior force (when Caesar entered Italia).
The left's moral bankruptcy in sneering away a dead woman is typical for the pedophiles and rape enablers that back Epstein and Weinstein, but it doesn't terribly matter. Their blindness made this moment, and it will make far worse ones to come. Big Tech couldn't even fairly win them an election. It won't win them the bloody war to come.
I like Inga a lot, I have read many of her comments, she is definitely human, with a heart that is full of love.
She hates people like me and rejoices when people I admire are murdered, but that is not a big deal in the great scheme of things. Lots of people with lots of love in their heart are confused.
We are all created in God's image, I have known lots of people lots worse than the worst people who post here.
Well, probably not everyone knew, internet reception was down to maybe 3% among crowds that huge. But at least some folks did manage to see it and it spread pretty fast.
Kinda brings us back to Madison 2011 where Althouse cut her teeth...barring the killing of a 14 yr female AF Vet.
So far no true occupation..which would entail pooping on the premises.
Most of the rioters last spring and fall were sprung by hollywood money ans of those most werent even charged
We should enable a DC Capitol Choir to sing songs for Biden.
The ones in little rock and the us atty bailed
Quinn, the process today was to debate and vote on objections by House and Senate members. Only Trump and some lawyer loons claimed the guy presiding over this could take matters into his own hands. If that was the rule Biden could have made Clinton president in 2016 and Biden/Harris reelection assured. You did not march on the Capitol because of Pence's statement, but because of Trump's.
Darigold Vanilla only had 2 profile views.
So young.
"Only Trump and some lawyer loons claimed the guy presiding over this could take matters into his own hands. If that was the rule Biden could have made Clinton president in 2016 and Biden/Harris reelection assured."
Oh my..the stupid is tremendous here.
Some folks going crazy over tragic cop killing of one woman should be marching on the White House over covid deaths approaching 400,000. And then sign up for next BLM protest.
"It's my side vs theirs..so congruent!"
And incidentally, if Pence wasn't going to help Trump, he could have said so *days* ago. By delaying announcing that until today, by keeping Trump and his supporters thinking he would stand up for us, he actively participated in running out the clock. He didn't just not help Trump, he did so in the most backstabbing manner possible.
And we all know it. The only opposition to the Democrats in this country is Controlled Opposition.
At this point it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out Trump has been part of the theater too.
I think that's why the Left is so intent on insisting that the only thing we care about is Trump. That when even Trump betrays us at the last, they want it to break us. But they are wrong, and our rage has little to do with Trump. The Left has earned every last bit of rage from us and independent of their treatment of him, and I don't think I could forgive them even if they were to show remorse. Good thing that'll never have to be tested.
"You did not march on the Capitol because of Pence's statement, but because of Trump's."
Not in the slightest. We had all intended to go there anyway. Of course we would. That's where the fate of the country for the next thousand years was being decided that day. Were we going to go to the Hard Rock Cafe? My God you're a moron.
Whole lotta...I am not sure you are going, but believe me, the 2nd Amendment is peripheral to maintaining civil order. The 2nd Amendment is in effect on the west side of Chicago, and there is no civil order there. The police power is all about maintaining civil order, and one of the big gripes of 2020 is how various governors have abused the states’ police powers during the pandemic, citing a public health “emergency” and ignoring the statutory requirements that limit their powers.
If you think that an insurrection is the way to go, look at the history of the Civil War.
"Only Trump and some lawyer loons claimed the guy presiding over this could take matters into his own hands."
As I understand it, the VP doesn't "reject" delegates, but remands them back to the State in question for further consideration. As I understand it, at least one questionable State's Legislators wrote to Pence and asked him to remand the delegates back for correction. Quite a few here have the expertise to clarify or correct what I understand.
Gangsters and their drive buys arent the second amendment thats been void since 1982.
"If you think that an insurrection is the way to go, look at the history of the Civil War."
If you think that an insurrection is not the way to go, look at the history of Venezuela.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
She was not just standing there. She was climbing through a broken window, attempting to breach her third defensive perimeter of the day. ( The others being the capital grounds and the capital building.)
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legislative chambers of a country boastfully flaunting its vaunted democracy closes gallery to public they are supposed to be representing while certifying election
who sees the /irony/ here?
I am the guy who asks you to look into your heart and try to find the kindness that has always been there.
Grab the Holy Grail as long as you're looking.
Though those people on my own side saying "Republicans will never win another election because of fraud" have got it all wrong. No *conservative* will ever win another election. No one not controlled by the Swamp. But the Controlled Opposition Republicans will keep winning every few years like clockwork. The farce will always go on.
Trump wanted him to pocket the envelopes and announce that no one had 270, so House would vote by delegation in hope a majority of states would have Trump majorities. Then same for Pence by Senate. Nothing in any law about sending back to state after December certifications. No legislatures repudiated their state count just some GOP folks gathered informally.
"Grab the Holy Grail as long as you are looking"
That is not how I roll.
Better: Hope for the best for everyone you care about.
God answers my prayers when I pray for people ----- maybe not right away, but eventually.
Rt1Rebel said...
"Only Trump and some lawyer loons claimed the guy presiding over this could take matters into his own hands."
As I understand it, the VP doesn't "reject" delegates, but remands them back to the State in question for further consideration.
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Which were being requested by said states given information revealed when out of session
LOONY!
I haven't been here for many weeks as I have mostly cut myself off the internet for the sake of my mental health. I understand a lot of people are dying from the Rona, Oregon is still being bossed about by a communist regime and surprise, today, Trumpists stormed the Capitol and made our elected idiots cower.
I don't think I've never been more proud of my fellow citizens than today. I am just checking in on the news feed and so far I'm not seeing any burning buildings, obscene graffiti, toppled statues and garbage laying around. I see some media hacks calling it an "insurrection" but I didn't see any rifles. Insurrection requires .22 long.
Being an aficionada of Portland Antifa antics, I would rate today as mostly peaceful. I hope anyone arrested gets the catch and release, even the guy sitting in Pelosi's chair. Some broken windows? What does the left say, they have insurance?
There is a lot of Washington talk about how terrible it was to storm the Capitol. Is seizing and burning police precincts better? Burning down black-owned business districts? Laying siege to the Portland federal building? Taking down statues of American heroes? Of course our elected officials think they're special. Pretty sure they're all safe.
A point was made today and delivered to the seat of corruption. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.
never been more proud or ever been more proud?
and yes I am the guy who asks people to look into their hearts and try to find the kindness that has always been there, Rick.
Inga knows who I am, and she is going to take my good advice - she is going to look into her heart and try to find the kindness that has always been there.
Seriously, I don't care who mocks me. I see the big picture.
I do not offer you advice, because I know you do not need advice from me. You were just trolling me. Trust me, you were not the first. Inga does not need advice from me either. She has trolled me again and again over the years, and I have prayed for her in the long watches of the night, and I know God loves her, and treasures her, and wants her to be the best person she can be. Just as God wants the same for me WE ARE BOTH FLAWED HUMANS.
In one sense, we are all just players on a stage, and I happen to be the one who can say, truthfully, that I know what you are going through, and I know that God is happy that there are tough people like us who care about things, who are willing to say startlingly cold things, once in a while, when we get carried away. IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE ALL never said anything stupid, but that is not how we humans roll.
That being said, everybody should try and look into their own hearts, and be brave and kind and full of compassion.
Make me proud of you. Make God proud of you. It is not easy being human. I am rooting for you and Inga to be better tomorrow than you are today. And God hears my prayers.
always been proud of my fellow humans, we are all a tough bunch, this is a very hard world to live in
Frankly, after today's betrayals by Pence and other Republicans, I think we conservatives can mount our own revolution on the same basis as 1776: No taxation without representation.
There is not a single institution that is willing to faithfully represent the interests and concerns of half the taxpayers. We are treated as less than serfs, all the while lecturing us about *our* privilege, as our businesses are locked down and looted, as our votes are stolen, as our grandparents in nursing homes are slaughtered, and as our every petition for the redress of these grievances is dismissed in the most contemptuous ways possible.
The only apology the Right should make is for taking it this long.
No justice, no peace!
Watching the counting of the electoral vote at CSPAN. Appears that no Senators are now willing to sign objections, so no further action will be taken.
Standard BS system wins. I agree with Scott Adams -- the lack of voting transparency caused this mess and the system needs to be reformed. Will it happen?
Amadeus 48 said...
If you think that an insurrection is the way to go, look at the history of the Civil War.
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I don't think that "insurrection is the way to go", precisely because of the Civil War. Think about how many years it took to recover from it....
BUT......the 2nd Amendment was expressly designed to allow the citizenry to rise up against a tyrannical government.
So the Framers had to have contemplated situations where insurrection would be a necessary "way to go". And they must have wanted their new government to remain aware that it could be brought down by the citizenry if it became as oppressive as George III had been.
If you disagree, please tell me what the 2nd Amendment is all about.
"Mere surplusage", maybe?
The Donald now officially has blood on his hands and Merrick Garland will sign off on the FBI investigation of Trump's January 6, 2021 coup attack on January 21.
The U.S Capitol building began the day undermanned by Capitol Police and it was afternoon before other Federal police agencies, D.C. Metro police, DC National Guard, Maryland state police and Virginia commonwealth police got into the act.
Where was the Defense Secretary, the Homeland Secretary, the DOJ Secretary when immediate protection was needed? Strangely (or more likely, not so strangely) no official government press conferences took place.
It was as Trump promised, "a wild day." And sadly his incited rioters promise more of the same tomorrow.
Remember how seriously the media dealt with Tom Brady and inflate-gate? What was that about anyway? Cheating, right?
"...his incited rioters promise more of the same tomorrow."
Unzipped and waiting.
I am really getting a kick out of the MSM and the Lib trolls here attempting to shame us back into submission. Nope. Too late. You broke the contract.
gadfly,
Narcisco @10:06 links to a letter from DC Mayor Bowser discouraging federal authorities from deploying.
To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD if such plans are underway,” Bowser wrote in a letter to acting U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller, and Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy.
Crazy Lynn Cheney -another Democrat in Republican clothes - and accused Trump of "Forming a mob and Inciting a mob". A complete lie. Why do all these Establishment R's now sound like Pelosi and Schumer? Its like the end of Animal Farm, where you can't tell the Republican Pigs from the Democrat Pigs.
Because they can. Lynn Cheney, warmonger is pissed off. Yay.
Re: Rosalyn C:
Standard BS system wins. I agree with Scott Adams -- the lack of voting transparency caused this mess and the system needs to be reformed. Will it happen?
Eventually, I am sure they will. No one's electoral systems started in a state of prelapsarian perfection. We all started with rotten boroughs and ballot stuffing and gradually reformed to where we are today which, while imperfect, is still way better than what we had an hundred years ago. I don't think reform is coming in the immediate future, though, because Democrats and journalists are now heavily invested, emotionally, in the proposition that it's unthinkable that, say, absentee ballots could be submitted fraudulently or that noncitizens might vote illegally, etc. And a refusal to acknowledge a "what could go wrong" means you can't have any meaningful discussion about whether existing controls adequately address the WCGW or whether the control framework needs to be changed. Trump's kitchen sink approach to vote fraud allegations and evidence thereof hasn't helped the discussion either.
Insurrection is the only way to go.
And her crime? Just standing there, when the Capital Hill Police decided to shoot into a crowd of protestors.
Kent State.
And contrary to the blood lust of those who argue that her actions were deserving of a death sentence without trial, shooting into a crowd of people is never a justifiable shooting and is instead criminal excessive force and criminal homicide.
More proof that the Federal City, the District of Columbia, should NEVER be an independent state.
How many election laws were broken every which way, and there was no redress because standing before during or after no review of voting machines for same reason
They ignored them in toto, just like they buried the treacherous dauphins malfeasance and they amplified the coen bros militia claim (see how unmotivated the latter were)
For years they kick and berate the dog, and leave it out in the cold. And then when the dog has had enough, and bears its teeth, and the fur stands up on the back of its neck, and it starts to growl, they back up cautiously and yell "BAD DOG! BAD DOG!"
They have spent 20 years installing or coopting secretaries of state, creating a system for mail fraud conditions to void voter id intimidating attys who would challenge claims what incentive is there to reform.
Since they are following the soviet model (like the aftermath of the social revolutionary uprising) theyll hire black bloc as auxiliaries
What a difference a few months make
https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1346989752910692363
Josh Hawley should really devote some time trying to find a suit that fits.
Anyone know if Alito has finished reading Powell's stay application?
Hope you all answered the Cruz and Hawley fundraising emails sent out today.
Readering, your jokes never go stale, keep telling them. You might want to work on some new material in your spare time for what comes next. It's going to be hilarious.
Like pagliacci the clown.
There can never be peace between the parties if one side refuses to fight.
There can never be peace if only one side plays by the rules and the other side is rewarded for breaking them.
There can never be peace if only one side is prosecuted when both sides break the same laws.
People won't take this lying down.
Memories will be very long indeed.
Calling today a strange day is to pretend that Trump's antics could have led his supporters to a different course of action.
Perhaps some people really are that naive, but it's more likely they just prefer to do his bidding from a perch.
Not even the true Trump supporters here believe that violence was unexpected. Some of them disapprove of it more than others, but few are surprised.
Lying about elections apparently has consequences, too.
Not even the true Trump supporters here believe that violence was unexpected. Some of them disapprove of it more than others, but few are surprised.
And the main reason we are unsurprised is because we knew some desperate people would look at the example set by the Left this summer and attempt to emulate it.
'Antifa is just an idea' who are you fooling how many rioters were released since may,
'Mostly peaceful' that was the mantra in front of the mcdonald at at johns church
So then Mockturtle, since you don’t like my approach to elections, how is yours faring?
Big Mike
Again: you explicitly said that Canada has nothing to teach the USA about running elections and you said it after I mentioned the things you could learn: voter Id, no secret counting, paper ballots, no transporting ballots. You rejected all that. Now I agree your rejection was simply an resentful unthinking response from a resentful unthinking man, but so many of your posts are. That’s my point.
The principle is simple Big Mike. It doesn’t matter if you preach fidelity 7 days a week if you can’t pass up a hooker when you see one.
For some reason I cannot get the Reichstag Fire out of my mind. Maybe it is because I have been watching Babylon Berlin on Netflix.
We obviously need to round up all the Trump supporters.
Over the years seeing so many disruptions to legal hearings, peaceful assemblies, and college lectures, entire college campuses shut down for a semester, that today's events didn't phase me.
@Ken B., if I wrote something like that you had better prove it with a link.p
Example set by the left?
MAGA doesn't need examples. Trump gives instructions:
"After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."
He's also been known to cheer on punching people in the face, carrying them out in stretchers, and body slamming reporters. Not things most responsible politicians would ever say but of course he's "different." He was even, unsurprisingly, said to enjoy watching his troopers storm the capitol. From the safe vantage point of the TV feed, of course.
The assertion that MAGA knew no violence and had to "learn" it from other political movements is asinine, but if you really believe that it would indicate how empty and truly irresponsible MAGA is.
MAGA lost some senate votes today and were told they had to stop lying to their supporters. Perhaps people who care about how the law works can educate them on voting and court procedures. People who are as committed as the other senators are to stopping the lies that gave them the angry energy that Trump loves to watch.
[Inga] hates people like me and rejoices when people I admire are murdered, but that is not a big deal in the great scheme of things.
@stephen cooper, actuall, yes, that is a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
"Over the years seeing so many disruptions to legal hearings, peaceful assemblies, and college lectures, entire college campuses shut down for a semester, that today's events didn't phase me. "
Right-the storming of the United States Congress, the panicked expulsion of terrified senators and members of the House, the delay of the official validation of Electoral College majority of the recently elected President of the United States,, and even the occupation of the office of the Speaker of the House. 4 dead- no biggie.
Mutaman, some read the Trump playbook.
Now what does Trump have up his sleeve?
@mutaman
Yeah, I'm numb.
The assertion that MAGA knew no violence and had to "learn" it from other political movements is asinine,l ...
True, actually. Once upon a time these young, non-college educated men provided muscle for Democrats. Then the Democrats ran these “deplorable” people out of their coalition and Trump’s populism picked them up. These people are comfortable with guns in their hands — military vets, hunters, etc. — and not at all afraid to go to fist city. This is good, I think. About time lefties got a taste of what they usually dish out.
Well, if they can end a Trumpist political career or two in the process, silver lining.
Meanwhile, picturing how Oval Office pardon conversations will go.
Comment (over on Instapundit) from Sarah Hoyt:
For years I’ve told the left that when they used fraud to win, they’d broken the feedback mechanism. It didn’t mean their ideas were winning, that people agreed with them, or that they were safe. It was the equivalent of breaking the fire alarm and thinking they were safe from fires.
Ah, that Readering. Always looking for ways to create peace on earth, and demonstrate good will to all men.
Readering said...
Meanwhile, picturing how Oval Office pardon conversations will go.
1/7/21, 3:36 AM
With Xi running the country, who knows???
I learned about the capitol of Wisconsin occupation on this blog. The scene yesterday brought back those images and memories. Madison was the precedent. Way to go Wisconsin.
Warned ya.
Chuckleheads don't listen. Chuckleheads pay the price. Only gonna get worse from here on in.
Scott Adams called the last election "the impression of an election." He argues that people had concerns which were never investigated but rather that all the cases were dismissed on technical grounds. Then, when all the cases were dismissed on technicalities and when there was no further legal resort because Pence was not going to refuse electors and when there was no intention to prevent similar anomalies in the next election, then protestors forced their way into a space, the Capitol. They did not take over the government, they stood in a space and forced their concerns to be heard. This will lead to an effort to reform elections, says Scott. That's one way to look at it all. I guess I wonder why they shot Ashli Babbit. A soldier. A woman.
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