"The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it 'has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.' The move, coupled with a one-sentence order on Tuesday turning away a similar request from Pennsylvania Republicans, signaled that the court has refused to be drawn into President Trump’s losing campaign to overturn the results of the election last month.
There will continue to be scattered litigation brush fires around the nation from Mr. Trump’s allies, but as a practical matter the Supreme Court’s action puts an end to any prospect that Mr. Trump will win in court what he lost at the polls."
ADDED:
Here is the order in full:
TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
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It looks like that's the only way to win anymore.
We've lost our republic.
Biden/Harris is not my president...
#NotMyPresident
#StolenElection
#FuckBiden
#Resist
Goodbye, Republic.
We are totally and completely fucked. The Dems will steal every Presidential election in the future.
Thomas and Alito knew the stakes.
Standing. First thing I said when I saw the motion.
Guess I wasn't such a sucky law student after all.
Cue the catastrophizing...
"Ann, you're contemptible!" LOL
I'm glad scotus passed on it.
“Thomas and Alito knew the stakes.”
Thomas and Alito dissented in part only. They said they would not have granted Texas relief.
The NYT on Friday reported an audacious misrepresentation of a lawsuit filed to preserve civil rights. Texas, along with other states, seek to address constitutional irregularities perpetrated by elected and appointed officials in several states that enabled democratic gerrymandering and a cover-up of polling irregularities.
So one can reasonably conclude that the seven who denied leave to file would have denied any other relief had they granted leave to file. I.e. 9-0 on the merits
Who stops the Dems now? Cocaine Mitch? Romney? Sasse?
We’re fucked. Convince me otherwise.
Not a surprise. Next step mis to see if a peaceful separation can be done.
"#NotMyPresident...#Resist"
#Organize
Welp, there you go. Let the healing begin.
Texas should shutback its natgas pipeline capacity to only be able to service the states that are friendly to fossil fuels.
So, cheating can be done and no one can remedy it because no one has standing.
I call everyone who celebrates this result an enemy. This is no longer a democracy. I no longer have representation. I tele-commute, so I guess it is time for me to find a nation that respects its people and the rule of law, I am not tied to this banana republic.
Who stops the Dems now??? 7 million armed patriots on January 20th, in DC, that's who.
Oh. And just to be clear. Not my president.
Would have been nice to give the country a little reasoning to back up the "no standing" ruling. In particular, it would have been great if the Court had addressed the Citizen United brief's arguments for standing.
Another note. Republicans have failed to operate as a proper balance to Democratic cheating, they too no longer have my vote (if I am still here at the next election.)
Would have been nice to give the country a little reasoning to back up the "no standing" ruling.
One would think 74 million people had standing.
The people in the armed forces (stationed domestically) from red states and counties should all go AWOL and return home and join local militias pending the dissolution of the U.S.
The Democraticals cheated fair and square.
Civil disobedience or war?
So many choices.
I prefer lawsuits that didn’t immediately get dismissed because they were bullshit.
This is how you get more eye rolling.
Alito and Thomas are correct. The Court should have granted the motion to file the complaint. Under the statute, the Court has no discretion to reject a motion to file a complaint in a State v State case. That they continue to do so is a deflection of their duty.
Alito and Thomas should have added that the complaint should be dismissed for lack of standing.
It looks good for supreme court dinner parties then.
Wa St Blogger - If you need any help finding a place to go to, let me know. May I suggest the finger on the globe with your eyes closed method?
The Parnell suit has a cert petition pending at SCOTUS. Despite what the NYT is reporting, SCOTUS only denied Parnell's application for emergency relief. Given today's order in the Texas case on standing, it's hard to imagine a petitioner with more standing than Parnell....
I don't know why anyone spends time reading or repeating the NYT about anything they publish.
Biden didn't win. And we all know that.
Dave Begley said...
Who stops the Dems now? Cocaine Mitch? Romney? Sasse?
We’re fucked. Convince me otherwise.
We don't need the federal government.
Never did.
They can just go away.
It’s up to Congress now.
All those representatives and senators who think these four states violated the Electors Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Due Process Clause should object to the Electoral Votes from these states and vote to reject their Electoral Votes.
Wa St Blogger said...
Another note. Republicans have failed to operate as a proper balance to Democratic cheating, they too no longer have my vote (if I am still here at the next election.)
Why would we leave?
We all just got a 100% tax cut.
The deplorables will now become the ungovernables.
We all still know the truth. The democrat party ... they cheat and they lie.
Not going to lie, all of Trump's picks turning on him is a surprise. I thought Brett Kavanagh would, at minimum, say that there is standing to file.
But as I said in the previous post, this is just fine by me. If anything, the epic sense of betrayal in the Republican base will now reach critical mass that wouldn't happen if only 1 or 2 picks joined the Roberts liberals. I'd love to live in a society where "there's an authority besides Trump that we can trust," but who could that possibly be?
We are in the endgame, just not the one the Democrats think is happening.
I am looking forward to all of the police forces in blue cities being defunded too.
Trump mendacious that he set off so many followers.
I’m no fan of Kübler-Ross, but I think it’s safe to say the patient has moved from denial to anger.
mccullough said...
It’s up to Congress now.
All those representatives and senators who think these four states violated the Electors Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Due Process Clause should object to the Electoral Votes from these states and vote to reject their Electoral Votes.
Meh.
It is time to show the world what would have happened if the Nazi's tried to take over the US instead of Germany.
FDR and Long John Silver lost their appeals for the same reason...
I hope the “brush fires of litigation” do continue.
Absent a confession by a high level Dem operative, there was no chance the election would be overturned. If the litigation stops after the election then the litigants’ claims of fraud were not made in good faith. If they continue the contours of any fraud will be outlined and can be prevented next election.
Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Roberts were in the seven. Pretty good indicator that the result was correct, right? Unless Barrett, Kavanagh and Gorsuch went from being your heroes to left wing RINOs simply by virtue of joining the decision.
...but as a practical matter the Supreme Court’s action puts an end to any prospect that Mr. Trump will win in court what he lost at the polls.
Fact Check: Trump didn't loose at the polls. He was cheated in the mail.
Trump is just an avi. Never-Trumpers/Lefties who think that it all began and ends with Trump are misguided.
I, for one, am glad I live behind enemy lines. I don't need to travel far to resolve my differences.
Now that we have become a subject people we must learn from the citizens of Russia and before that the Soviet Union. Assume that politicians are corrupt, the media lies, corporate America knows this and will choose policies and personnel accordingly. Oh, and neighbors will inform. We had a good run, but now it's over.
"Even cites a recent Gorsuch case and noted how PA blew off Alito’s Order to segregate ballots."
-- Yeah. See. Things like that are why I thought we'd have to hear this. Because, as a matter of fact, we DID have some questions to resolve. I guess the answer is... no. You don't. No one has any room to question what happens anymore.
The problem was that all sorts of shenanigans and probable illegal activity - ballot stuffing - etc.. went on, but you have to prove it with solid evidence. This is why poll watchers were told to leave or stand so far away as to be useless. This is why Biden's numbers shot up in unison and weird hours. They left knew which precincts to target, and they did so. Also, the media will not report any curious behavior. Not a single witness was given an opportunity on a mainstream D-Party source. That is also by design. The media erected a wall to protect everyone from knowing the truth. Labels and censorship - all coordinated. Just like their non-stop anti Trump day in and day out Russia Russia BS.
Steve Uhr,
None of the Court members decided whether any of the four states violated the Electors Clause.
7 positively said Texas et al don’t have standing to bring these claims.
Thomas and Alito said they would grant the motion to file the complaint but would not grant the relief asked in the complaint (blocking state certifications of their electoral votes, declaring that these states violated the Electors Clause, etc) even if Texas had standing. They also said they are not giving their view on whether Texas has standing, whether any of the four defendant states violated the Electors Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, or the Due Process Clause.
So what is the appropriate music to play when a country decides to destroy itself? Are all of the courts refusing to hear the election fraud cases because to do so would be to admit in public that our elected leaders and judges have been completely corrupted and should all be replaced? Is the Chinese money that good?
And since we no longer have a country bounded by law, what happens next? Strongest person wins? All the police quit and then the elected can wonder out loud why crime has skyrocketed? Do folks form vigilante committees since there is no law and order anymore (see Portland, et all)?
Boy, what a happy christmas.
Thsi is not going to end well for a lot of people, neither democrat, republican nor independent nor anything else. I never thought that I would see my country hell bent to destruction from within in my lifetime.
Stephen said...
Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Roberts were in the seven. Pretty good indicator that the result was correct, right?
What result?
There was no fucking result. They just refused to consider the case, based on the bullshit made-up judicial construct of standing.
Nothing weighed, nothing measured, nothing resolved.
I blame Rudy. How could he lose all those lawsuits with such good facts.
You got me Chuck.
I had my hopes, but this was a Hail Mary pass, and Hail Mary passes mostly fall short.
#Resist
#BAMN
Don’t organize. Organizations can be infiltrated. Think nationally, act locally.
Can't say Trump didn't try to right a big wrong.
Trump never brought these arguments in federal court in the four states in the first place.
People can blame him for that.
This was a conservative decision.
Good to see the liberals, for once, agree that there is no standing.
And since we no longer have a country bounded by law, what happens next? Strongest person wins?
SCOTUS made the decision that they didn't want to see our cities burn if the election was overturned. We all know that is exactly what would happen.
I have mixed feelings about this. I can be mollified if a new election system was quickly put into place that I could trust.
Republicans can kiss those two Senate seats in Georgia goodbye.
This is going to make future state suits very weird because... now standing has a super high barrier to entry. Literally being disenfranchised isn't enough to grant standing, so... can the Supreme Court hear ANY state vs state in the future?
"I can be mollified if a new election system was quickly put into place that I could trust."
-- Why would anyone do that when the Supreme Court just said everything is fine?
Browndog.
This legal stuff should inspire Trump voters to come out and vote against D-corruption in Georgia.
Sadly - I think the vote-fix is in for good.
"This legal stuff should inspire Trump voters to come out and vote against D-corruption in Georgia. Sadly - I think the vote-fix is in for good."
-- But, why? So that another pipe can burst? So thousands of votes can be found after we were told every vote was counted? What point is there voting in an election that will have no oversight?
Bush v. Gore let Bush raise Elector Clause and Equal Protection Clause claims.
No one said he didn’t have standing.
Trump didn’t file any suit in state or federal court raising these issues.
Eddie Willers, I agree with Matt Sablan here, and are you honestly thinking the Democrats want a better system of voting?
When you piss off 76 million citizens that have a strong distrust of the government, feel they were betrayed, and have stockpiled arms for decades, there's no telling what will happen. We'll soon find out, and I doubt the outcome will be favorable for those willing to sacrifice their liberty for safety.
SCOTUS made the decision that they didn't want to see our cities burn if the election was overturned. We all know that is exactly what would happen.
They were given the choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour, and they will have war.
"We'll soon find out, and I doubt the outcome will be favorable for those willing to sacrifice their liberty for safety."
-- The same thing that happens every time Republicans are disappointed electorally? We shrug after a week or two and go back about our lives? I mean, Republicans aren't the ones who were burning down cities the last year or so.
I look forward to paying 70-80% of my income in taxes.
I welcome our new democrat overlords.
I had the feeling that the court would not want to get embroiled in this fight. Being a non-lawyer I thought Texas made some pretty cogent arguments for the court to review. Standing is always a bugaboo and an easy out for the justices. I guess the question now is if a citizen of one of these states makes a claim similar to Texas would he have standing?
Ann?
"I guess the question now is if a citizen of one of these states makes a claim similar to Texas would he have standing?"
-- No. That's why states had to try and bring the suits.
Matt S.
- But, why? So that another pipe can burst? So thousands of votes can be found after we were told every vote was counted? What point is there voting in an election that will have no oversight?
Good questions.
What are leaders on the ground in GA doing? I have no idea.
So what is the appropriate music to play when a country decides to destroy itself?
Considering the quality of the arguments for that conclusion, "Yackety Sax" would be a good choice.
Standing prevents people not directly affected from clogging the federal courts.
There are only two plaintiffs with standing to bring the Electors Clause claim in a federal district court — the state legislatures of the 4 states (each as an institution, not by individual members) and Trump.
Maybe some other lawyer can explain to me how Rudy lost 50 plus lawsuits.
This is a fucking disaster.
Donald Trump was never presidential, always political, sadly an elected criminal. He ripped everyone off for four years and survived a legitimate effort to remove him from office - simply because the new populist GOP politicians feared him right up until the Federalist Society's rebuilt SCOTUS rightfully kicked him out - 9 to 0. Elections do indeed have consequences as we NeverTrumpers discovered in 2016.
It is now the populist Republican's turn on the wheel. Hopefully these populists will return to the place from whence they came and we conservative Republicans can have a voice in a reconstituted No-Trump GOP.
Stephen said...
Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Roberts were in the seven. Pretty good indicator that the result was correct, right? Unless Barrett, Kavanagh and Gorsuch went from being your heroes to left wing RINOs simply by virtue of joining the decision.
Sure. If you feel good about that go with it. Be proud of your glorious accomplishment.
None of us out here are going to buy it. We are now a country occupied by our enemies.
That would be you.
“Maybe some other lawyer can explain to me how Rudy lost 50 plus lawsuits.
This is a fucking disaster.”
Who hired Rudy?
mccullough said...
Standing prevents people not directly affected from clogging the federal courts.
Fine. If the courts exist solely for their own purposes they have no value to us.
Time for the federal government to fund itself.
McCoullaugh,
You were right. Congrats
Laws are only as binding as the sum of individuals agreeing to be bound by them. If one reduces that number sufficiently - through carelessness, through hubris, through whatever - the impediment of law melts away proportionately.
Suits dismissed for lack of standing brought by:
-citizens
-poll workers
-election attorneys
-campaigns
-legislators
-States
No evidentiary hearings, just "talk to the hand".
Switch in time ...
It is now the populist Republican's turn on the wheel. Hopefully these populists will return to the place from whence they came and we conservative Republicans can have a voice in a reconstituted No-Trump GOP.
HaHaHaHaHaHa. You and Chuck are hilarious. If I thought you were intelligent, I would insult you but that would not register.
OMG Gadfly - what a pathetic idiot you are. I hope your Dem heroes bight you in the ass
There are only two plaintiffs with standing to bring the Electors Clause claim in a federal district court — the state legislatures of the 4 states (each as an institution, not by individual members) and Trump
False.
Qwinn said...
SCOTUS made the decision that they didn't want to see our cities burn if the election was overturned. We all know that is exactly what would happen.
They were given the choice between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour, and they will have war.
Well said. Now, if they choose to leave us alone and to leave quietly but I see no chance of that.
Blogger Browndog said...
Republicans can kiss those two Senate seats in Georgia goodbye.
Does anyone care anymore ?
Blogger readering said...
Trump mendacious that he set off so many followers.
Yes, the thief is unhappy that those whose rights are stolen don't like it.
Liar and thief.
Kudos, dems- you set the car on fire.
Good thing you have the keys, huh?
What’s become clear is that there’s no remedy for a stolen election.
Prepare for single party rule and plan accordingly for the long night.
MartyH said...
"I hope the “brush fires of litigation” do continue.
Absent a confession by a high level Dem operative, there was no chance the election would be overturned."
The Court did not rule on the quality of the evidence. It ruled on the quality of the legal theory. The election can still be attacked in the States wherein it is being stolen, and the adverse rulings of corrupt Democrat judges can be appealed. The Law has not yet told us in so many words that we suffered no crime, and can expect no remedy. It is necessary to give it every possible opportunity, and to present the best available evidence.
"Does anyone care anymore ?"
I shouldn't. I don't have grandchildren. But I can console myself by living larger than I already do on the backs of other people's grandchildren, some of them gloating here now.
Does anyone care anymore ?
Why would they? Most republicans are perfectly fine with this. Look at Georgia--republican legislature, SOS, and governor. They won't even pretend to try to fix the fraud. Georgians already voted once, and it didn't count. You think they're going to put themselves through this bullshit again?
"But I can console myself by living larger than I already do on the backs of other people's grandchildren, some of them gloating here now."
Hard to argue with that, but do you think those people give a shit about their own grandchildren? Look at what they do and not at what they say, and you will have your answer.
Might as well let the Dems steal the GA Senate seats. How can they lose when they got the steal perfected?
We are now a one party state.
I shouldn't. I don't have grandchildren. But I can console myself by living larger than I already do on the backs of other people's grandchildren, some of them gloating here now.
I do have grandchildren and they are planning their exit from CA. The oldest is going to U of Alabama. The next is my only grandson and I have suggested to his father that a hitch in the Marines would be a good idea before college. He is an athlete and might still get a scholarship. His younger sister is a swimmer and should be fine.
I have two others but they are with their radical lefty mother and I do not see them.
Just so the lefties here understand:
It's not about Trump losing...yes, it's a disappointment.
It's about the credible allegations of serious fraud.
Even more so about the successful strategy of judges to shut down any attempt at exposing that fraud without giving Trump's team access to the legal system.
If Biden won fair and square this would not be an issue.
But as it stands now, the result has poisoned the electoral process, and conservative will never trust the system again unless there are processes put in place to make the system fair and transparent...
Might as well let the Dems steal the GA Senate seats. How can they lose when they got the steal perfected?
Fuck you. Fight! You don’t win if you don’t fight. If you lose, you find a new battlefield and fight again.
#Resist.
#BAMN
Should an American Pinochet (hopefully) rise to stop this election theft, there is no longer any reason not to fully support him. Every institution has been infiltrated utterly with enemies of the people.
There is clearly now nothing left of the Old Republic worth preserving against the ravages of Civil War. Not one single institution remains deserving of the respect of the People.
Time to Cross the Rubicon.
Prediction: Armed personal security is going to be the biggest growth industry in both D.C. and various state capitals in 2021.
A republic, if you can keep it.
"survived a legitimate effort to remove him from office"
Insert Robert Downey Jr. eyeroll GIF here.
Republican game plan going forward: get states to agree on the popular vote compact. In 2024, Alaska waits until all other states certify their elections. Alaska then funds 170 billion votes the overlooked. Republican wins. Anyone complains, point out that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. If states sue, point out they lack standing.
So now we know why they are not allowing a forensic audit of the Dominion voting machines.
The votes were not switched by human error in Antrim county.
They were purposely switched by the software.
Have fun with your victory today.
It will be short lived.
The Republican legislatures in WI,PA, AZ, and GA will have to stand up and vote to name their own electors.
Snort.
Trump should have worked the court of public opinion harder in November. The censoring would be glorious.
I've been a registered Republican since I was 18. Only voted Democrat twice, McGovern and home boy Carter, in 52 years. The past 4 years of Trump has been an eye opener. The Republican party has no interest in effectively opposing radical Democratic legislation as long as they can participate in the grift. I plan to change my party registration to "Independent". The Repugs are dead to me. But, in a way, none of that means much anymore. The Democrats have openly cheated in a national presidential election, and they have gotten away with it. They have created a permanent one party state that will no longer be effectively challenged. As I see it, their absolute victory has made voting pointless and a waste of time. I always thought of Trump's presidency as an anomaly, not to be repeated. Apparently, one term is all the Swamp will allow. They will not underestimate their enemies again.
Interestingly, Thomas and Alito voted for Trump while the three newbies that would make 5, and who owe Trump their seats big time said screw him.
Time to think subversively. Legally of course.
Just think of the next level exasperation we'll see here on the morning of Jan 6.
This ain't nothin but a scratch.
Tomorrow, patriots march on Washington D.C. Freedom Plaza at 12 noon.
The wife and I will be there.
I won't mind at all if it winds up being "mostly" peaceful.
The Constitution only means what a majority of supreme court justices say it means, actual text notwithstanding. We had a good run, but we’re nothing more than a banana republic now. I’m retiring at the end of next month and can structure my income to be in the 12% bracket and still live comfortably. There’s no need to keep working. I’d only be making money I don’t need and paying a lot more in taxes to a hopelessly corrupt government. Nope.
There is no next level of exasperation, 320. I fully accept that you can steal any election with impunity. I'm looking forward to all the stuff your grandchildren will be buying me.
Quick send some more money to the grifter in chief to fight this fraud and enable him to pay off his up coming legal bills in New York.
"The votes were not switched by human error in Antrim county.
They were purposely switched by the software."
I keep hearing this...but why hasn't somebody shown exactly how it was done?
Even if it could be proven it might not help, but it would be a good start...
"It is now the populist Republican's turn on the wheel. Hopefully these populists will return to the place from whence they came and we conservative Republicans can have a voice in a reconstituted No-Trump GOP."
Oh, for fuck's sake Gadfly.
Sure--tell us we have to accept on faith the preposterous notion that brain-dead Joe somehow managed to inspire the populace to carry him to victory over an incumbent president with a 50-plus approval rating, while all of the down-ballot Dems got beat, and never mind that this happened only in a few, select but important places that all shut down counting at the same time in the middle of the night...
Sure--tell us that Trump is a criminal even though the most intensive and prolonged scrutiny and investigation of any single person in history has failed to actually prove any crime...
Sure--tell us that Trump was and is a puppet of "the Russians" despite implementing policies and strategies that were and are directly adversarial to Russia's goals and interests...
That's the sort of gaslighting BS we are used to, and can simply roll our eyes and ignore.
But YOU a "conservative Republican?" Have you no self-awareness whatsoever?
Prediction: Armed personal security is going to be the biggest growth industry in both D.C. and various state capitals in 2021.
A pretty safe prediction.
You're making a good decision, Larry. What state?
Bush and Gore had better lawyers. You look after the Establishment and they look after you.
Bush was part of that Establishment.
Every conflict between him and the Left was purely for show.
"I’m retiring at the end of next month and can structure my income to be in the 12% bracket and still live comfortably."
I like my job but I've been thinking about it.
"There’s no need to keep working. I’d only be making money I don’t need and paying a lot more in taxes to a hopelessly corrupt government. Nope."
Exactly.
They had better kawyers than Trump side. Biden side had excellent lawyers.
Hope Quinn not too lonely tomorrow.
Josh Dawsey
@jdawsey1
Guests at White House holiday party were told tonight that POTUS will not be coming down to speak.
8:32 PM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1337570998967742464
He's doing a lid tonight.
There is no credible evidence of election fraud, just a grifter con man supported by others looking for the main chance. Hopefully the Republicans in GA won't figure it out, return to their senses, and vote until after the runoff.
So should we expect the the three newbies will betray us next like they betrayed Trump? Will the gutless wonders change their votes on the Second Amendment and decide to disarm us because they suddenly discover that we have no standing in light of their cowardice? That “standing” excuse is all Courts need to run away and hide from their duty.
This is so much fun to read. I understand now why Trump people were so delighted with that one lady screaming in 2016. It really is fun to watch your enemies lose it!
For those either taunting or lusting that NY is going to get a hold of Trump, DeSantis is not going to extradite Trump, and DeSantis will likely be the Gov for another 7 years.
Ooh, just thinking about extradition proceedings....
The lefties celebrating don't seem to understand that we expected the USSC to punt. That we knew the institutions were wholly corrupted.
This decision was pretty much *your* last chance to avoid what comes next.
Go ahead and celebrate your meaningless victory tonight. You'll need it to comfort you in the weeks ahead.
Today would be a good day for Trump to resign, so Pence could pardon him and Mother could enjoy WH xmas decirations.
If a Constitutional right falls in the forest and no one has standing to object, does it make a sound?
That's not what commenters were saying earlier!
Lots of drama queens in here!
Not my president! That will show them.
You lost deplorable fat flyovers. Get over it. Move on. Have a cheesecake.
Tits
Remember, even Thomas and Alito would have denied the stay request.
Hey wait a minute everybody! The Texas case wasn't The Big One after all! There are more Big Ones! We'll just have to wait until Rudy gets them filed:
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1337566528204627970
If you're not watching Newsmax, you aren't keeping up on these critical details.
$20k a day....
Texas doesn't have a cognizable interest. So who does? Apparently not the losing candidate. Trump filed a petition to join the Texas lawsuit, and the Supreme Court dismissed it without comment.
Maybe no one has a cognizable interest. We just have to rely on the state legislatures. Which created this mess.
So now you lefties have moved on from blatantly stealing elections and bragging about it to enthusiastically imprisoning political opponents. That only took a couple of hours. That takes watermelon-sized testicles and a truckload of chutzpah in a country of 350 million firearms, mostly in possession of your enemy. Good luck in your endeavors.
Titus, nice to see ya.
So, the SCOTUS fucks over 18 States' AGs without a kiss? Precious little explanation. No statement to the press. No statement to the American people, 79 million of whom are seeing themselves as major-league screwed over.
I'm sorry -these are our finest judges? How can they not realize that certain legal judgements are more than just legal judgements & must be treated as such?
I really think we're looking at either bribery or coercion. We sure as hell ain't lookin' at profiles in corage, that's for sure.
"so Pence could pardon him"
For what? What are the crimes? Elaborate, and be specific, please.
Hmmm. Wasn’t the 15th amendment all about some northern states caring about how some southern states ran their elections?
Blogger Readering said...
Today would be a good day for Trump to resign, so Pence could pardon him and Mother could enjoy WH xmas decirations.
Today would be a good day for you to make an early New Year's resolution to try not to be an asshole next year.
Thats a bridge too far, michael k.
Qwinn:
Go over to the Hoover building and burn it down.
The fucking FBI did nothing about the theft of a federal election. Nothing!
@Michael K., you shouldn't suggest resolutions for people that they are incapable of keeping.
Blogger tom said...
This is so much fun to read. I understand now why Trump people were so delighted with that one lady screaming in 2016. It really is fun to watch your enemies lose it!
It is nice to see the communists self identify.
This is 9-0 on substance folks, as Alito's careful disclaimer makes clear.
Blogger Big Mike said...
Prediction: Armed personal security is going to be the biggest growth industry in both D.C. and various state capitals in 2021.
A pretty safe prediction.
Gun sales are already through the roof. Why didn't I buy more ammo?
The Supreme Court's decisions in both the Pa. and Texas cases were completely predictable under the applicable legal rules and simple common sense. The rule of law prevailed.
The rule of law also prevailed in the more than 50 Trump court losses. No proof of any fraud, let alone fraud sufficient to swing the election, means that under our legal rules, you lose the lawsuit. You don't get to set aside a democratic election on the basis of BS statistics, stereotypes, or fantasies, or what "everyone knows" but no one can demonstrate. That's the way democratic elections work.
The failure of proof in more than 50 lawsuits is powerful evidence that there is no proof of result changing fraud in any state.
So is the testimony of the officials on your side of the aisle--Barr of Justice, Krebs of Homeland Security, Ducey and Kemp, and so many local election officials, many Trump supporters, who have testified under oath that there was no fraud.
The lawsuits are over. Trump and his supporters will now try to get Congress to throw out the results in these states on the basis of the same evidence that failed in the courts.
That would frustrate both democracy and the rule of law. It will be interesting to see how many Republicans are brave enough not to participate in that attempted coup.
If anyone thinks they could get Trump out of Florida, they sure don't have a clue.
At Insty, the link reporting on the SCOTUS decision has, at 9:34 PM EST, 1663 comments, the tenor of which you can well imagine. I have never, in all my years of reading Insty, which precedes even my long tenure chez Althouse, seen a link get 1663 comments in two & a half hours!
Not good.
I sure hope Chuck and Readering get exactly what they want: A communist takeover, followed shortly by removal of all the hanger's on... Mao style. They'd go first. And nothing of value would be lost.
"I am personally opposed to imprisoning Trump, until after he has had a public trial."
You degenerates have been investigating and prosecuting Trump with the most elite and powerful of our agencies and govt branches for the last 5 years. Does Trump have some unpaid parking tickets in NYC I don't know about?
Folks have been shouting communist takeover since before my parents were born.
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Readering: "There is no credible evidence of election fraud."
This is the sort of crap that gets shoveled not only by dedicated trolls like Readering, but by virtually all of the "mainstream" media and pundits, and serves only to convince me of the pure bad faith of those who repeat it.
There is of course ample credible evidence of election fraud, captured on videotape and in the preposterous reported election returns in various and sundry places.
The sort-of good faith (hah!) position would be--yeah, there are some real and serious problems, and we are all going to work to fix them (and prosecute the perpetrators) so that the scourge of election fraud never again rears it ugly head, but the vast and overwhelming majority of election workers and officials are honest, dedicated and hardworking, the system can never be perfect, blah, blah, blah.
But that isn't what we get. We get--you people are delusional conspiracy theorists, and who could ever believe there's anything amiss, so shut up and take it. I can't tell which is worse--the Baghdad Bob "explanations" or the blanket dismissal.
What I do know is that I have never had less trust or faith in the purported "leadership" of our country than right now.
And you, Readering, have been cheering one on for just that long. Let's face it: your side is literally salivating over going full Nazi.
Heck, my local rag was full of Democrats screaming and calling for our local Attorney General to be arrested, charged with treason, and executed for joining Texas and the other 18 states.
Every single one of them is all aboard the "It's treason to disagree with the left!" train. Just like you are.
The Democrats have openly cheated in a national presidential election, and they have gotten away with it. They have created a permanent one party state that will no longer be effectively challenged. As I see it, their absolute victory has made voting pointless and a waste of time. I always thought of Trump's presidency as an anomaly, not to be repeated. Apparently, one term is all the Swamp will allow. They will not underestimate their enemies again.
I agree completely. Trump was a man alone in the corrupt capitol. VDH described him as a "tragic figure." I wonder how long it will take the corrupt economic system with the Obama ZIRP to collapse. The blue cities that think they are immune to hubris will find out where food and energy come from.
The Arabs signed the deals with Israel because we no longer need their oil. Biden, if his handlers allow it, will reverse that.
Looney.
Blogger Readering said...
Folks have been shouting communist takeover since before my parents were born.
They were wrong. You people are Fascists.
Go eat a bowl of dicks, Teatus.
Looney, Readering? This very thread, Chuck is all about jailing Trump. Oh, but only after a "fair trial" he says! The jury is going to be Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, Beto, and the Cuomos.... it'll totally be fair!
This country has had a long tradition of peaceful transitions of power, until now. Now you and your side are openly planning to arrest Trump, his family, and anyone who worked for Trump (honestly worked for him, not just as a backstabber like Mattis).
What kind of country is it when the losing side is arrested and jailed or executed like your side is doing, Readering? It's sure as heck not America.
Folks have been shouting communist takeover since before my parents were born.
And today they were proven entirely correct.
“Looney”
Loons, plural. An “asylum” of loons.
Folks have been shouting communist takeover since before my parents were born.
And how many countries did the communists take over during that time?
Is it your position that the USSR or Communist China never intended to impose communism on the U.S.?
Good to know you've revealed your current home accommodations Inga. We always suspected, but glad to know you are in the asylum.
Still, you must be disappointed: you were much more fond of the Hodkinson approach to making sure Republicans didn't trouble you any more.
How long until you call for us all to be rounded up and killed? Last week?
"The blue cities that think they are immune to hubris will find out where food and energy come from."
You mean it doesn't come from the market down the street and out of the sockets in the wall?
Who knew?
Basically, conservatives have been told "you fools, you have been the only ones who have been playing by the rules". It is good to know that I no longer have to abide by the rules or laws that have been passed for the citizens of this nation. I now understand that. I also understand that cheating when casting my vote, or someone else's, is perfectly acceptable. The cheating in Georgia alone was simply awful and pretty much an "in your face" scenario. They had their plan and executed it perfectly, except for the fact that it was on camera. But, with the help of the Ga SOS and Governor, they bluffed their way through that. So, all cheating is now considered fair!
China????
81.3 million!
We must all understand what sort of a position the vote fraud put the leadership of this country -- either they forced the losers to accept it, or the attempt to extricate the system from the fraud would 1) destroy one of the major political parties 2) piss off the "winning" Democratic voters as much as we the losers are pissed off now & 3) set off a wave of far-left & maybe a good dollop of moderate lefty unrest probably surpassing the 1968 riots. The Democrats went to the precipice & they left the Establishment no way out that wouldn't involve its own destruction.
So, now, to we, the losers, it's the Rubicon & Alia Jacta Est. Who knows how this will go. There's a good chance the majority will go quietly, but also a good chance that a sizable minority won't.
May God have mercy on us all. I suspect we're going to need it.
Trump and his supporters will now try to get Congress to throw out the results in these states on the basis of the same evidence that failed in the courts.
That would frustrate both democracy and the rule of law.
You skipped a step. First you try to convince the Electors that the election was fraudulent, and have them switch their votes. This is in fact exactly the type of situation they were created to fix.
(And just for the record our Constitution was precisely designed to frustrate democracy. That's a feature, not a bug.)
Mmmm...cheesecake.
Calm down, all the Supreme Court said was that Texas did not have standing to challenge another state in "its election".
Do you know who still has standing to challenge each of the 4 corrupt states in "its election"?
If you could not understand that question in a moment, no, you don't.
The election theft will almost certainly not be overturned unless lots of individuals in the suspicious swing states are indicted with probable cause for fraud. And that sort of thing does not happen quickly. Alito and Thomas were willing to overturn the election theft without that, but the other 3 normals on the Supreme Court have not yet shown a similar willingness. And of course, the 4 liberal failures: 2 appointed by Obama (the two boring childless single old women who support late term abortion), the loser appointed by Bush (the compromised Roberts) and the way long past his prime Breyer ---- none of them have yet given any thought to doing the right thing.
Gahrie--You are correct. And this seems to be precisely what the Supreme Court said today is the only remedy.
And the people who cheer this decision will scream bloody murder, of course.
We understand it Young Hegelian, that's what the riots all summer long were really about. They were groundwork for the steal, they were designed to let the courts and legislators know what the consequences would be if they lost the election. So the courts and legislators basically had to choose between certain riots and unknown riots, instead of what was constitutional and legal. They choose unknown riots.
@SC,
The election theft will almost certainly not be overturned unless lots of individuals in the suspicious swing states are indicted with probable cause for fraud. And that sort of thing does not happen quickly.
And when does it happen, SC? Two years into a Biden administration? And then what? Impeach Biden, and then impeach Harris, since they're both invalidly elected? And then down the list until we get some Republican Senatorial dweeb that we settle for?
That's the point, SC --- there's no way to resolve this post-Inauguration to anyone's satisfaction. You have a group of 79 million people at least who see their concerns blown off. Maybe they're delusional, but in a democracy you do not call the concerns of 79 million citizens out of a population of 320 million "delusional" and just move on. They also see themselves as electorally trapped, that their opponents have figured out a clever way to game the system to always win, and they have no recourse.
Unless Biden & the Democrats come up with not just an olive branch, but a whole fucking olive orchard of a program to investigate the Trump voter concerns, this is going to get really ugly.
audacious
...Aaannnnd the election cheating arms race is on.
There's no limiting principle, and the wheels have come off the jalopy.
Game theory says the GOP HAS to start cheating now. They'd be derelict not to. If they don't, they'll get replaced with a party that will.
In a way I have some admiration for what the Dems pulled off. They really put in the work. They used Covid to unconstitutionally change election procedures, they used Big Tech and MSM to control the narrative around Biden and his crimes and incompetence, they used Blacks and the Woke to destroy cities for months to show everyone what would happen if Biden lost, they used Dominion software to do who knows what, they set the narrative that Biden votes would come in hot and heavy after midnight, and then they shut down the counting exactly where they had to in order to manufacture as many votes as they needed to win the next morning.
Should an American Pinochet (hopefully) rise to stop this election theft, there is no longer any reason not to fully support him. Every institution has been infiltrated utterly with enemies of the people.
If there is political violence over this election, I hope it is a large scale popular uprising across large parts of the country. It is our only chance to have a restorative insurrection, rather than a destructive one.
The American people warned Washington with the Tea Party movement, and were ignored and mocked. Then we elected Trump in response, to try and fix things. I think the Left is badly underestimating just how pissed off the American people are. If they were, they'd be going quietly. Right now, not only are they spiking the football, they are asking us to eat a shit sandwich with a smile on our face as they do it.
I'm scared. Overthrowing a government is a big thing, and not to be taken lightly. It rarely goes well, and we already got lucky once.
.Aaannnnd the election cheating arms race is on.
There's no limiting principle, and the wheels have come off the jalopy.
Game theory says the GOP HAS to start cheating now. They'd be derelict not to. If they don't, they'll get replaced with a party that will.
Why is everyone reacting as if this was something happening for the first time? Has everyone forgotten Tammany Hall? We fixed it once, we can fix it again.
So, cheating can be done and no one can remedy it because no one has standing.
I call everyone who celebrates this result an enemy. This is no longer a democracy. I no longer have representation. I tele-commute, so I guess it is time for me to find a nation that respects its people and the rule of law, I am not tied to this banana republic.
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In a way I have some admiration for what the Dems pulled off. They really put in the work. They used Covid to unconstitutionally change election procedures, they used Big Tech and MSM to control the narrative around Biden and his crimes and incompetence, they used Blacks and the Woke to destroy cities for months to show everyone what would happen if Biden lost, they used Dominion software to do who knows what, they set the narrative that Biden votes would come in hot and heavy after midnight, and then they shut down the counting exactly where they had to in order to manufacture as many votes as they needed to win the next morning.
>>> Pretty much sums it up. I saw it coming when after losing in a couple of primaries to Crazy Bernie, miraculously, Biden runs the table on Super Tuesday and thereafter. Anyone paying attention could see the fix was in. Trump never had a chance.
YoungHegelian ---- Every major media outlet has gone full swamp. Youtube bans people who support the lawsuit filed by the sovereign government of Texas. The Orwellian nature of this drama is intense.
This is not just about Trump, this is about the tens of millions of people whose votes were stolen, and about a country's attempt to avoid an Orwellian future.
Trust me, the drama of this election is not going to end because Texas is told by 7 mediocrities that it does not have standing. There is still time for those with standing to assert their rights. While I recognize that Alito and Thomas are the best, by far, of the 9 Supreme Court justices, and while I agree with their dissent, the fact remains that all of the other 7 will accept a suit filed by someone with standing. Be patient.
I predict Biden will be inaugurated if there are not multiple arrests and indictments of individuals for election fraud before the day the poor old sufferer from dementia is inaugurated. That will be a tragedy, but no greater of a tragedy than the day the abortion-loving Obama, with that phony smile, with his long history of Jew-hater friends and his longer history of election fraud, was inaugurated. I would like to be wrong, but that is my prediction. I cannot predict how quickly individual criminality will be discovered. I am hopeful. But remember, there is not a lot of talent among the people whose job is to prosecute election fraud. None of them are paid much compared to what they would get if they worked at real law firms, the law firms which are currently working to protect those who stole votes.
"If Biden is elected, and if fraud that stole an election is proven, to his satisfaction, beyond a reasonable doubt, he will certainly do the honest thing and resign" (sarcasm off).
Another step would be for the legislatures of the disputed states to appoint their own slate of electors and send them to Washington either instead of, or with the ones generated by the current results. This would bring up an 1876 situation, and I would settle for a Biden presidency in return for true election reform.
- all voting done in person. No absent or mail in ballots except for military and diplomats serving overseas
- voting rolls purged every twenty years, everyone has to reregister
- show approved photo id before voting
- finger dipped in indelible ink after voting
- paper ballots, bubble in type (like every uses in school)
- ballots counted in public, with media and witnesses present
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Blogger mccullough said...
This was a conservative decision.
Good to see the liberals, for once, agree that there is no standing.
12/11/20, 6:44 PM<<<<
This was about as conservative a decision as Pilate’s washing his hands of the decision whether to kill Christ. The court didn’t want to be the bad guy so they took a pass. Better to do nothing than to make a decision in Trump’s favor and guarantee Antifa will burn the whole thing down. They know we’re not going to do anything.
Gahrie, that's some Theodoric of York thinking there.
It was a big "ask"---and like all of the other judges around the countryside this season, the Justices blinked. Nobody ever really got in trouble for saying "no". And heckfire, considering how big the "ask" was, maybe it was the right decision--for the country--but the wrong decision for fairness in elections
There are lots of complaints about the quality of Trump’s legal representation, along with the obviously trolling claims that Trump is only in it for the money and accordingly is just mailing it in.
However, as I recall Trump did originally have several white shoe firms representing him, until they (to their everlasting shame) decided to bail because the lefties turned their propaganda and blackmail on them.
The big boys have been co-opted. Trump didn’t really have a choice.
>>>>> Blogger YoungHegelian said...
At Insty, the link reporting on the SCOTUS decision has, at 9:34 PM EST, 1663 comments, the tenor of which you can well imagine. I have never, in all my years of reading Insty, which precedes even my long tenure chez Althouse, seen a link get 1663 comments in two & a half hours!
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And all of us keyboard warriors typing away amounts to what?? Nothing, zip, zero, nada. We lost. The country is lost unless a leader emerges.
Has everyone forgotten Tammany Hall? We fixed it once, we can fix it again.
We didn't "fix" it. We didn't "fix" anything. Tammany Hall is alive and well, and has metastasized to Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta and other corrupt urban Democrat machine towns.
We put Kwame Kilpatrick in jail for running an empire of corruption in Detroit.
But we didn't break up the machine he flourished in.
States with borders? A novel concept. Perhaps there is a way that interstate commerce is affected. Also, while a double-edged scalpel, there is always the Twilight Amendment and progressive policies. Finally, we could go full liberal: hunt some witches; judge some warlocks; throw a baby, two, several hundred million on the barbie; and protest, too.
Has everyone forgotten Tammany Hall? We fixed it once, we can fix it again.
We didn't fix it. It was the upscale liberals who beat Tammany. It wasn't necessarily the best deal.
The last time I saw someone react this way to losing, they were playing Candy Land.
The last time I saw someone react this way to losing, they were stealing this election from the American People. It is evil and it will not stand.
Now Trump wants special prosecutor on election crimes!
Has anyone noticed that no one is on the fence about whether the election was stolen?
Everyone here is either absolutely 100% certain it was stolen, or pretending that there is "no credible evidence".
Anyone who suspected there was fraud has looked at the evidence and found it compelling, many times over.
The rest pretend there is literally zero evidence to look at, and are taunting and mocking the first group in an obvious bid to make them engage in violence. It's trolling on an epic level, deliberately trying to provoke a civil war that they think they will win handily.
And they might have an ace in the hole that will do that. Perhaps everyone that opposes them taking the vaccine will solve their problem. Perhaps everyone that opposes them *not* taking the vaccine will solve their problem. Perhaps they'll just ship us off to gulags.
But either way, they're determined to commit violence and practically forcing us to "fire the first shot" to justify their boots stomping on our heads forever. Unfortunately, aside from a negotiated dissolution of the Union and some massive migrations, I don't see a way out of this besides giving the communists the violence they're trying to provoke. It's clear that we can't win if we don't play.
Bush was part of that Establishment.
Every conflict between him and the Left was purely for show.
How can you say that? Don't you remember 2004?
We had a clear choice between a Bonesman from Yale or a Bonesman from Yale.
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