"... and you can’t be fragile when confronting it. You need to have a base of knowledge about race in America that demonstrates an understanding of the enormity of the country’s sins, as well as demonstrating you’ve made an effort to inform yourself about overcoming them. You need to understand that your opponents might be employing manipulative logic to make their arguments – arguments that are fast becoming so pervasive that many people making them might readily revise their opinions once you confront them with your concerns. Already there are stories circulating that people have successfully challenged the woke racial thought police in the office and at professional organizations by arming themselves with some basic knowledge. But we can’t stop there. If we inform ourselves about the real history of race in America and engage with the good-faith arguments on both sides, we might be able coalesce around solutions and come together as Americans. It won’t be easy, but if this is what it means to 'do the work' rather than simply let ourselves be told what to think, the effort will be worth it."
From
"What To Read Instead Of 'White Fragility'" by Mark Hemingway (The Federalist).
He's flipping the imprecation to "do the work," and predicts that you'll fare better if you've worked (in some other way) and are not avoiding the issue of race — being lazy, not working. And yet, I'm reading that
"Whiteness" article from the National Museum of African American History & Culture and it presented the work ethic as
part of the internalized aspects of white culture:
For the record, I consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them). I think each of us values work and the avoidance of work in our own way, and it's fine that we do. We should be efficient and make particularized judgments about what's worthwhile, otherwise we'll lose our productive energy and languish in meetings and training sessions led by the dullest people on earth.
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How is presenting the work ethic as internalized aspects of white culture any different than some black school kids taunting their more studious black classmates as "acting white"? Same poison in a different bottle.
Funny- I just finished reading the article in the Federalist and found it to be...not something I'm going to use anymore of my time of life doing.
If I read James Baldwin, it's because I want to read James Baldwin. Not to feel like I've engaged in an approved activity. And no amount of coffee, money, or applause would make me read White Fragility. I'm much too fragile for that sort of shit. Heh.
When I got my DNA results earlier this year I was surprised, and quite pleased, to learn that I am 1% S. African Bantu. [True] My older daughter [the 'white' one, not the biracial one] showed 0.1% on hers. Will this give me a free pass? Am I now officially a POC? What percentage does it take?
"I think each of us values work and the avoidance of work in our own way"
So, do you also think each business should be allowed to value your work and the avoidance of it, in its own way?
To be charitable the producer(s) of that poster do not claim that the traits or beliefs described are exclusive to “whiteness” or that only black white people exist. They are not expressly claiming that “Asians” or Blacks or “Latinx-es” have opposite or different beliefs or traits. But a fair reading also leads to the inference that the described traits or beliefs are more pronounced in, or characteristic of, White people.
I think the "anti-racists" have become the new OPEN racists cloaked in defense of minorities, a U.S. centric mindset, and careful lingual rebuttals that put them in non-falsifiable positions. Their racism is simply anti-white, and perhaps more specifically, anti-American ideals.
Posters like that are a great example...."Whiteness" there is basically being defined by the culture of white northeast america. Do white southern italians or greeks have the same values? Not really.
I'd like to see them create the same poster for blacks, hispanics, Indians (from India), and perhaps middle-easterners (Arabs & Persians) and see how it goes over.
The simple maxim ALWAYS applies. Switch the labels - would it still be acceptable? If not, it's wrong.
"...otherwise we'll lose our productive energy and languish in meetings and training sessions led by the dullest people on earth."
In the FX mockumentary about vampires, "What We Do In The Shadows" , the worst of the vampires is Colin Peterson, an energy vampire and "day walker". He sucks all the energy out of people just by taking with them - we've all worked with them. His favorite thing to do is attend city council meetings and make citizen presentations before the council. Just being present at one can arouse him to the point where it would be embarrassing for him to stand up.
“We should be efficient and make particularized judgments about what's worthwhile, otherwise we'll lose our productive energy and languish in meetings and training sessions led by the dullest people on earth.”
I agree.
IMO, all of this forced training is ridiculous and it’s a way for some unscrupulous people to jump on board the money train to profit off of this nonsense. Books, training sessions, bah. Change will come in it’s own way in it’s own time.
"For the record, I consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them)."
I think it's progress, of a sort. They have climbed a long, long ways out on that Affirmative Action limb, and it really hasn't panned out. So, they are working on a "sour grapes" climb-down.
But look, Althouse. You've got people like that piece of shit Singleton, who have been selling this claptrap to organizations since the last century. Do you think that asshole cares whether any of the bullshit that made him rich has even a grain of truth in it? Of course not! He's a hustler, and he's got a hustle the marks will pay for. And he will keep selling it as long as anyone will buy.
I think each of us values work and the avoidance of work in our own way, and it's fine that we do. We should be efficient and make particularized judgments about what's worthwhile...
I agree but this argument must be considered racist since it poses a conflict with the equalization of economic outcomes.
This is a war, make no mistake. At its core it's a war of reason verus ignorance. ANd really it's just the latest conflict in a much grander war that's been going on since the rise of human civilization itself, the barbarians versus the settled, order versus chaos.
It should be obvious to anyone with even a mere fragment of their brain cells functioning that the goal of the left is to TAKE AMERICA DOWN. Every propaganda campaign, racial-division ploy, riot and even pandemic is geared solely toward that end. They want us to only see each issue as a separate concern requiring an immediate--and often severe--remedy but it's really all just part of the plan.
and you can’t be fragile when confronting it.
I'm not. I tell them to straight up f*ck off.
"You need to have a base of knowledge about race in America that demonstrates an understanding of the enormity of the country’s sins, as well as demonstrating you’ve made an effort to inform yourself about overcoming them."
Mark Hemingway is welcome to move to a less enormitously sinful country if he thinks he knows of one. I'll be happy to take on his share of the guilt.
You have to be ready to complain to the boss, or to HR, and to sue. You may go down, but go down swinging.
"Already there are stories circulating that people have successfully challenged the woke racial thought police in the office and at professional organizations by arming themselves with some basic knowledge." That was a great story, Dad. Tell us the one about how Ann Frank's arguments demolished her Gestapo interrogator.
"Sooner or later you’re going to encounter these anti-American ideas about addressing racism in your workplace, on kids’ homework, or in the faculty lounge and you can’t be fragile when confronting it."
"You want to address racism? Go pound sand. You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit."
Is that unfragile enough?
The Museum white culture poster is based on the work of Judith Katz, who came up with the list by having white people brainstorm what constitutes "white culture"
see this PDF
https://www.pps.net/cms/lib/OR01913224/Centricity/Domain/51/White_Culture_Judith_Katz.pdf
in a quote she says the good stuff is actually good!
“If our organizations are going to be fair for all so we can leverage the diversity of the workforce, we as whites must expose the positive cultural bias that organizations have for us to the light of day. We must make it visible and acknowledged and known. We must ensure that white cultural aspects are utilized when they are appropriate and add value for the benefit of all. And we also must ensure that they are not utilized when they prevent some groups from making their full added-value contribution”
You need to have a base of knowledge about race in America that demonstrates an understanding of the enormity of the country’s sins
It's not a sin. It was the economic system before the free market and state protection of property rights. Hit the other guy on the head and take his stuff. Enslave the defeated enemy rather than killing him.
The free market and its protections made a slave contribute more to society working in his own insterest than in being a slave, and the system became obsolete.
America's contribution was a system with a promise of freedom and supporting methods to enforce it. Not the fact but the promise, as internalized and final.
Can anyone identify anything on that poster that would disqualify it from hanging in a museum run by the KKK?
I just scythed a good bit of the backyard. Work ethic.
The best summary of the English attitude :
"It is not that I object to work, mind you; I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. I love to keep it by me: I can scarce bear the thought of parting with it. I can't sit still and see another man slaving and working. I want to get up and superintend, and walk round with my hands in my pockets, and tell him what to do. It is my energetic nature. I can't help it."
Average White Band "appropriating" the Isley Brothers' Work to Do.
All of the essays I've read about fixing the racism problem in America come down to meaningless platitudes. I'm left with less hope than when I started reading.
Here is a better view of the Smithsonian racist assertions.
Ann, you may "...consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them)." But there does seem to be evidence that is precisely the side Black American's wish to be on. Of course, that doesn't make it any less racist. Just makes those beliefs when held by Blacks immune to criticism.
"Already there are stories circulating that people have successfully challenged the woke racial thought police in the office and at professional organizations by arming themselves with some basic knowledge."
Yeah, right. Those shrieking harpies from HR just melt like butter when you point out a couple simple facts. They turn off their little laser pointers, fold up their little easels with the six-color graphical display, remove their little pink-tasseled electrodes from your testicles and make you a sammie.
It's worse than students taunting one another for "acting white," because in the past adults would tell you that's wrong. Now the adults are criticizing the students and teachers who uniformly expect effort from one another. Way worse.
White people are asking themselves to do what blacks have always wanted.
Learn your history.
otherwise we'll lose our productive energy and languish in meetings and training sessions led by the dullest people on earth.
... in a way that... so that... sorry, just reminiscing about “New Age Thinking”...
The traditional stereotype wasn't.
any different than some black school kids taunting their more studious black classmates
Exactly. The progressive stereotype is born from a mischaracterization of character and liberal indulgence of diversity for profit, leverage, discord, and other purposes.
We should be efficient and make particularized judgments about what's worthwhile, otherwise, we'll lose our productive energy and languish in meetings and training sessions led by the dullest people on earth.
Vacuousness is just one of the key aspects of totalitarians, but it doesn't hinder them in their mission to destroy individualism and autonomy. The banal and unimaginative make ruthless and efficient concentration camp administrators.
Just a little note that feminist ideology is every bit as ridiculous. Millennia of hunter gatherers and farmers were interested in survival, not domination.
Richard Fagin @ 10:12: "...Same poison in a different bottle." I would argue it's the same poison, different route of administration, different victim. This junk is directed primarily at white folk, not as a schoolyard taunt by losers but as a well-orchestrated program of brainwashing and "reframing the discourse" along lines that give the SJW Marxists more power.
The article links to a Portland Monthly piece by a black writer instructing white readers:
"So what do you do? Your greatest challenge as individuals is, and in perpetuity will be, to hold yourself accountable and to teach your children to do the same.
In perpetuity? White Americans are going to be racial minorities in a few decades. They still have to flog themselves? That's not going to work.
I saw the "whiteness" chart yesterday. I thought the same thing. What and insult to African-Americans.
The "man is the bread winner, wives are subservient" is completely outdated. That ended when Homer Simpson appeared on TV. He has wrecked fatherhood more than anyone.
Have fun obsessing over this in Madison. I'm sure a lot of time will be wasted and nothing accomplished. But, everyone will give themselves a woke pat on the back.
engage with the good-faith arguments on both sides
Not gon' happen.
White Americans have a nasty habit of spreading their ideals everywhere but at home.
It's just another aspect of liberal society wanting to 'dumb down' the populace. Guide people to the choices of wanting welfare, not to work, worthless 'easy' educations, and generally dependent on the government 'ruling class' for everything. Kind of the way the UK is going now.
Hence the push for guaranteed income (no work needed.) Homeless hotels (free to the homeless, some who are mentally disturbed, others just lazy.) Tax anyone who works hard and makes money till they don't want to work hard or make money (go look at the UK's and Canada's medical establishment with caps on income. They have forced all the good doctors to LEAVE.
So the blacks at this NMAAHC place say hard work, showing up on time, saving for the future, etc... is all 'white' ideals and, apparently, not black ideals. Maybe there is more truth in this than they admit. Hence all the ghettos.
I blame this on the "Great Society" of LBJ and the introduction of welfare which destroyed the Black Family and replaced it with absent fathers (who became drug pushers and the like), poverty, gangs, and 'free' money (all provided by the Democrats, the new/old slave owners.)
If we inform ourselves about the real history of race in America and engage with the good-faith arguments on both sides,
But that's the exact problem. The Left is unwilling and unable to engage in good faith.
You mentioned the "White Fragility" cult practice earlier and I think this video reinforces the cultish nature of the phenomenon.
It's from the Smithsonian and features Robin DiAngelo making her standard presentation on white privilege and fragility. If you watch a few minutes with the sound off or on you'll see a professional preacher at work.
It's the hand motions. Once she gets rolling every phrase, almost every word, is accompanied by a moving hand gesture. It's hypnotic and it's deliberate. I can imagine that it is very effective with many people.
Just don't drink the post-presentation kool-aid.
The doctrine of "white fragility" is yet another projection, with the hope to force its realization. Ignore it. Discover your dignity, then, since we are not a universe unto ourselves, reconcile.
J Melcher said...
The best summary of the English attitude :
1. This is Aristocratic, not English.
2. Apply it to the modern world and who does it cover? Not people working to produce the goods and services we need to live. But rather the commenters in government, media, academia, and the NGO system who believe production is beneath them and thus demand to be better paid than producers for criticizing how they produce.
NOTICE TO ALL THE COMRADES FROM THE MAAHC CENTRAL COMMITTEE
Your Block Captain and Friendly Neighborhood Rectification Committee will be visiting to make sure you have read the MAAHC instructions and to test you out by asking you to prove that your children do not have their own rooms, that you are not teaching them to be objective and engage in rational thought, that you urge them never to delay gratification. You may also be interrogated as to why you even have children, if you do, in any setting remotely resembling a "nuclear family." As to any of you who in your manner of speech show a tendency to "quantitative emphasis," the Committee may need to bring you in for further "reparative justice." Oh, and on that rule about how Respecting Authority is also a sign of White Culture, that does NOT apply to the Block Captain and the Friendly Neighborhood Rectification Committee. Don't say we didn't warn you.
“ You mentioned the "White Fragility" cult practice earlier and I think this video reinforces the cultish nature of the phenomenon.”
The very first thing she said after “ to start this off” contained an obviously false premise. Who can put up with this?
"Federalism"? That be a racist concept. America should adopt the enlightened despotism of Shaka Zulu.
White Americans have a nasty habit of spreading their ideals everywhere but at home.
Black Americans have a nasty habit of committing acts of violence.
On one hand, it sounds like intellectualized form of comedy often referred to as "Stuff white people like".
On the other.... While Africans can certainly be hard working and have many other positive traits there is a small element of truth to what's contained in this document.
If you look at European culture and contrast it with African culture 200 years ago, the differences would be night and day which culture the majority of items on that list describe.
It would be more European culture, not a function of skin color, but the skin color is the obvious exterior marker. It used to be only the racist supremacists who pointed these facts out as some form of conclusion about superiority, rather than being derived from a variety of factors, including cultural, historical, and geographical, etc.
Just popping in the comments to thank Ann for blogging my article. (I miss blogs.) I've always appreciated her thoughts.
Temujin said...
And no amount of coffee, money, or applause would make me read White Fragility.
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
"Who can put up with this?"
Unfortunately, can is not the right verb here.
The Left is unwilling and unable to engage in good faith.
Mortal gods and goddesses... are the residuals of ostensibly secular theologies with the single/central/minority organization, who claim to know better through rational thought, statistical analysis, and certain assumptions/assertions ("frame of reference") that they are purported to be consistent, albeit with a regularity of missing links, and injections of brown matter (i.e. fudging) to force a consensus. That said, stand and listen, but don't kneel.
What a bunch of phonies. Its not a "conversation" unless you are willing to hear things you don't want to, or acknowledge a position you don't agree with. This is all circumvented when you expect me to agree with your baseline "All white people are racist" and work up from there. This needs a 'disingenuous bs' tag
people pay a lot of money to be flagellated in this way,
I have talked to you guys about every cult under the sun, and there's even the lingering giant of Scientology sitting out there, but you're compelled to do nothing against any of it but talk. Now you think there's a black cult, so now you think there must be action and you're just the people to do it because you're not racist.
Fascinating.
Blogger robother said...
"Already there are stories circulating that people have successfully challenged the woke racial thought police in the office and at professional organizations by arming themselves with some basic knowledge." That was a great story, Dad. Tell us the one about how Ann Frank's arguments demolished her Gestapo interrogator.
7/16/20, 10:38 AM
[Snort!] glad I wasn't drinking at the time.
"For the record, I consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them)."
Well said (or, written).
There is one other thing implied here. I grew up a Smithsonian brat: my father was curator of maritime transportation. I was inspired by the culture of scholarship that was present. Yet here comes a piece of shoddy scholarship that is truly embarrassing.
Way back in gradual school, Weber's The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism was required reading. Although it has lost its hallowed luster in recent years, the point is still worth considering: the values of deferred gratification, hard work, and good works lie at the heart of the Protestant "movement." These values are not only embedded in "white" Protestants, they are equally part of the "black" Protestant belief system and culture.
This is not simply an attack on "white" culture; it is an attack on the religious aspirations of the Black Church, if that term can be applied to the range of denominations with in the Black Community.
It is a backhanded slap to ALL people who value such beliefs as justice and the struggle for equality, let alone assimilation into the large house of our imperfect system. Every generation has the chore of ironing out the wrinkles it encounters on reaching age. The challenge is to iterate the system to approach an asymptotic goal. As Rabbi Tarfon said, "you do not have to finish your task; but you cannot desist from starting."
Most Americans arrived on these shores well after 1619. Most arrived in the 19th and early 20th centuries fleeing religious persecution, financial esclaviage, pogroms, caste systems, and feudal overlords unmerciful in their extractions.
This "scholarship" is not simply bad; it is utter horseshit.
Who can put up with this?
Crack, for one.
I came to this blog as a black guy complaining about cults and you guys marginalized my concerns. Now here you are complaining about cults with an even wondering who can put up with this? And you're doing it all because they're black. You guys are huge Hypocrites right now.
It's the hand motions.
It's creepy once you notice it, and I'd guess she'd taken some classes in salesmanship, but then again DiAngelo = Italian.
So tell me Crack Emcee, how exactly do YOU spread your ideals at home as well as everywhere else? Enlighten us as to that trick. But especially the "everywhere else" bit. Because so far, all that self-flagellating whites are doing about their white privilege seems to me to be the essence of whites spreading their ideas ONLY at home -- their own homes -- and nowhere where it might do any actual non-white person a bit of good.
Ann writes: " For the record, I consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them)." I could not agree more. If you look closely at the Smithsonian project it is probably one of the most racist, anti-black screeds that I have ever seen. The assumption when reading is, as Ann says, that blacks are the reverse of all these characteristics.
Isn't it this the kind of assumption that we have been trying to erase or at least minimize: whites are focused, ambitious , disciplined family oriented , etc. while blacks are the mirror image of these traits?!?
It's possible that the failure to understand White Fragility is based on a misinterpretation.
It's actually pronounced "Frah-gee-lee-tay."
It must be Italian.
I see Glenn Reynolds does not have a problem suggesting public figures Who statues should be toppled, like Margaret Sanger. This says that white people don't have a problem with what's going on, they have a problem that it's black people determining what's going on, and they just want to say in it.
The Crack Emcee: "White people are asking themselves to do what blacks have always wanted.
Learn your history."
Crack has explicitly asserted that white people invented slavery, murder, rape and lying and they did those things for 300 years before any other peoples on Earth copied them.
Discuss.
"We've got to stop the black cult because there's not a racist bone in our bodies."
That's got a nice ring to it.
And all the other Cults that you've ignored for all the years I've talked about him can finally breathe a sigh of relief.
For the record, I consider it racist to assign the value of hard work to white people and leave black people on the other side (exactly where the traditional stereotype puts them).
I fully understand needing to make this clarification, but it really is sad that it is necessary to make. I do think a few recognized the "White Culture" item as racist to whites, but failed to notice to corollary that if these things are "White", then it suggest the opposite represents other cultures. That simple mental exercise should have prevented anybody who thinks themselves anti-racist from ever publishing that crap.
The National Review is now reporting that Oprah is financing the 1619 project to become a worldwide movement. You guys are going to wish that you had listened to me when I first warned you this was coming.
I don't think fanatics are going to listen to any facts whatsoever. Hemingway's idea is just a bit naïve. I think at this point, a "fuck off" is likely to be about as effective as anything else.
and engage with the good-faith arguments on both sides
That made me laugh out loud.
Micturtle, you are definitely a POC--if you've got 1% Southern Bantu in your DNA. At that level you are ten times more qualified to be a POC than Elizabeth Warren with her 1/1024th possible Indian blood is to be a Cherokee.
I've often suspected---but never was tested, that I've got some African blood in my--my earliest American ancestors arrived in 1610 in Virginia making thos Pilgrims on the Mayflower Johnny Come Latelies. And with all sorts of people coming into the USA in the last 400 years, and with a good part of my ancestry in the South, I'd be stunned if I didn't have some African blood. I'm a proud unhyphenated Mongrel American. Don't know where I stick the hyphen if I had one. But I know that listening to the dullest people in the world (as mentioned by our host) would make me want to stick something somewhere.
It strikes me that race is just a cover for something more insidious.
Marxists use a spurious conception of "Black culture" to impose their own subjective standards. There will be no more White culture-defined merit, but whatever the SJW commissars decide.
It is not about helping blacks, just as Communism is not about improving the poor. It is about political power.
What percentage does it take?
My mother graduated from the U. of Washington pharmacy school. Of course, somewhere during her coursework she had to take an Anthropology class. When I was younger, my mother often repeated what she had learned in Anthropology class. If you are 1/8th African, then you are negro. That stuck with me for years because it sounded funny.
My senior year in high school included Civics. It was in Civics that I learned of Plessy vs. Ferguson. Plessy considered himself to be black because of a great-grandparent. Therefore, he was 1/8th black.
Hmmmm.....there's that I/8th number again.
It's my best guess, the 1/8th number started with Plessy, and circled back into the social science textbooks as scientific fact.
Crack: "This says that white people don't have a problem with what's going on, they have a problem that it's black people determining what's going on, and they just want to say in it."
Actually, it says no such thing.
It says conservatives are suggesting that if prior racist behavior and beliefs expressed by historical figures based on whatever the daily lefty narrative happens to be is going to be the basis for tearing down statues then it makes perfect sense to tear down the statues of currently revered lefty heroes and heroines who expoused currently defined racist behavior and beliefs.
Since the application of logic and cause and effect reasoning is now an explicitly white cultural thing according to the Woke Mob, I'm not surprised Crack missed that.
Fun question for Crack: Since you claim that whites invented slavery, murder, rape and lying and spent 300 years doing those things before any other peoples did any of those things, which of the other peoples were the first to copy the whites?
This should be fun.
The Crack Emcee: "The National Review is now reporting that Oprah is financing the 1619 project...."
This was reported weeks ago by the Hollywood Reporter, amongst other publications.
This phenomenon is not unknown to Caucasians who have spent any extended period of time in an Asian country.
The social dynamics of “white racism” promulgated by those on the lucrative consultant circuit impute the concept “white” to characteristics and attributes that might (if a label must be applied, which I doubt) be more properly referred to as Eurocentric. The ultimate logic of attacking intellectual thinking, objectivity, clear writing, etc. is to mandate the reimposition of segregation for those who cannot, or, more realistically, are being brainwashed into not competing on such terms. Thus does the “anti-racism debate come full circle.
I just finished a piece by a black “consultant” suggesting that racial disparities in hiring could be overcome if hiring decisions were based on “resilience and compassion” rather than on traditional objective criteria. The writer seemed not to have considered that whites might score quite high on these attributes, as well as demonstrating a superior potential, as reflected in meeting actual job prerequisites, for actually doing the job in question.
The Crack Emcee: "I came to this blog as a black guy complaining about cults and you guys marginalized my concerns. Now here you are complaining about cults with an even wondering who can put up with this? And you're doing it all because they're black."
Actually its the white marxist lefties/dems directing the actions of the blacks in the mobs.
Which is understandable since apparently, I've just learned, in black culture you can't even get people to show up on time.
I didn't know that until Crack's pals told me that and I guess I have to believe them otherwise I'll be even more racist!
Okay. Done. I'm convinced. Crack is incapable of logic, reason or even having a strong work ethic.
Wow. That still doesn't seem quite right to me but who am I to critique the "deep deep thoughts" of Cracks lefty betters?
Personally I happen to be involved in doing some future/estate planning this week which is another Big Time White Bread No-No, right Crack?
Crack: How can you not have noticed most of asserting repeatedly that as far as we can tell, the crowds rioting and pulling down statues are no more black than the general population. They are mostly Marxist whites pretending to speak for (and riot and destroy and loot for) blacks. Which doesn't appear to bother you at all.
Your claim that we only "care" now because they're black is full of fucking shit. We care because they (mostly Marxist whites) are burning cities. When the scientologists start rioting and tearing down every last shred of Western civilization and we don't pay attention, I'll respect your accusations of hypocrisy. Till then, GFY.
Crack, when the Rwandan Hutu were singing "Tu-Tu-Tutsi, Good-bye!" as they killed off more than a half-million of the latter, were they simply imitating murderous whites?
Drago wrote:
"The Crack Emcee: 'The National Review is now reporting that Oprah is financing the 1619 project....'
"This was reported weeks ago by the Hollywood Reporter, amongst other publications."
Crack reads National Revew???
In any event, I enjoyed Instapundit's take on Oprah and the 1619 Project: "You get some fake history! And you get some fake history! And you . . ."
I think it would be fun to put their predictive responses on note cards and each time they make an accusatory statement, flip over the corresponding card.
Crack, Massa State's docile and ever loyal servant,responding to the use ofc the term "black cult," says: "And all the other Cults that you've ignored for all the years . . . " I assume he's make an exception to the Cult of the State. Crack's been a devoted member of that congregation for years, despite its body count (Google "Democide")including many people of color.
Unknown writes: "I just finished a piece by a black'consultant' suggesting that racial disparities in hiring could be overcome if hiring decisions were based on 'resilience and compassion' rather than on traditional objective criteria. The writer seemed not to have considered that whites might score quite high on these attributes, as well as demonstrating a superior potential, as reflected in meeting actual job prerequisites, for actually doing the job in question."
I wonder if, crossing a bridge, that consultant would prefer that the engineer in charge was hired on the basis of "resilience" and "compassion" rather than professional competence. Or if he were on the top floor of a skyscraper, if the architect was a "resilient" and "compassionate" architect rather than one who could build tall buildings that wouldn't collapse. Or if he were about to undergo an operation, how much he would care about the surgeon's resilience and compassion.
Unknown, one think I got from reading McWhorter's response to White Fragility in the Atlantic was her lack of suggestions for solutions. This reminded me of Glenn Reynold's oft repeated phrase that American Marxists almost always present the Class struggle as a Racial problem. It occurred to me that the reason DeAngelo doesn't provided solutions is that the solutions her side prefers really have nothing to do with Race, and everything to do with implementing a Marxist/socialist command economy.
Yancey Ward said...
I don't think fanatics are going to listen to any facts whatsoever.
The goal is not to discuss this with fanatics. It's to create a contrast between the fanatics and reasonable, informed beliefs so the normals will reject the fanatics.
The left can't even how they insult POC.
Bigotry of low expectations has been bypassed.
Now it's labeling minorities with hallmarks of low achievement, ability and expectations.
"Now you think there's a black cult,..."
Some of us have observed a variety of black cults for decades.
Just so you guys know, I'm posting these from my phone because it's just easier, so the punctuation and shit might go off.
As I keep repeating, these are nuanced times so I'm being nuanced, accepting the good parts that are coming my way and keeping an eye on the rest. You guys know I haven't signed on to any left-wing bullshit, but you also know I'm not going to sign on to any right-wing bullshit, so you might as well save your breath with all this talk about there's no racism for me to fight. I will determine that, thank you. That said, I still say your observation that you're dealing with a cult, and now you have to take some action, is racist after all the opportunities you've had over all the years I've known of you to do something about cults. I have yelled at you, I have begged you, I have tried to provide evidence of a growing threat, and you took none of it seriously. Your attack on black people is not helping in the fight against cultizm, or racism, and as usual it helps no one but you feel better about yourself. I expect more out of all of you, and always have. You know I'm here because I like you, but you also know I'm disappointed, and remain so. As an American citizen I think we all can do better, but The major portion of the obligation is on those with the paler skin. I'm sorry to say. Or maybe I'm not, I don't know anymore.
Just so you guys know, I'm posting these from my phone because it's just easier, so the punctuation and shit might go off.
As I keep repeating, these are nuanced times so I'm being nuanced, accepting the good parts that are coming my way and keeping an eye on the rest. You guys know I haven't signed on to any left-wing bullshit, but you also know I'm not going to sign on to any right-wing bullshit, so you might as well save your breath with all this talk about there's no racism for me to fight. I will determine that, thank you. That said, I still say your observation that you're dealing with a cult, and now you have to take some action, is racist after all the opportunities you've had over all the years I've known of you to do something about cults. I have yelled at you, I have begged you, I have tried to provide evidence of a growing threat, and you took none of it seriously. Your attack on black people is not helping in the fight against cultizm, or racism, and as usual it helps no one but you feel better about yourself. I expect more out of all of you, and always have. You know I'm here because I like you, but you also know I'm disappointed, and remain so. As an American citizen I think we all can do better, but The major portion of the obligation is on those with the paler skin. I'm sorry to say. Or maybe I'm not, I don't know anymore.
Anyone claiming I said white people invented murder rape Etc is not worthy of being answered
Anyone on this blog who knows me also knows I am far right of Center, so trying to paint me is Louis Farrakhan is not going to work on any level except to show others how racist you can be when you're trying to win a debate
It is forbidden to criticize any aspect of black culture, or to observe that all sorts of brown people come here and make more than the national average, even Nigerians. You cannot suggest that perhaps being in a gang and killing someone are not the keys to getting ahead in life. Thus they denigrate success itself because to suggest that any part of inner city black failure is cultural is forbidden.
I'm the only friend y'all got.
You're all playing catch-up now.
> I think each of us values work and the avoidance of work in our own way, and it's fine that we do.
I agree.
Japanese work culture is the same as Spanish and Nigerian. Its just the individual value.
That slide has been removed from the article.
"...were they simply imitating murderous whites?"
They used radio announcements to time the massacres, so...Marconi's fault.
"Anything". The answer of "What to read" is to read anything other than "White Fragility". Even the back of a shampoo bottle has more utility and sheer reading enjoyment than the latest liberal white woman self-help book.
I think we should bring back phrenology. It made more sense. Not only that but you could get a complete makeover with a ball peen hammer and a little patience.
The Crack Emcee thinks we have let him down.
Personally, that will keep me up at night.
How could I, a person who has never interacted with TCE, ever do so much to keep him down.
I guess my collective and irredeemable guilt can never be abated.
I must pay indulgences.
Or, I can take care of my people as best I can.
And I can treat the people I meet with respect.
Decisions.
Decisions.
"I came to this blog as a black guy complaining about cults and you guys marginalized my concerns."
Hoodoo?
"I have talked to you guys about every cult under the sun, and there's even the lingering giant of Scientology sitting out there, but you're compelled to do nothing against any of it but talk.
There are two problems here, Crack. First, you seem to believe your opinion carries some weight. It doesn't. Second, your doing nothing but talking about others doing nothing but talking is a principal reason your talking carries no weight.
Shouldn't you take your hustle somewhere the audience is more gullible?
Don't argue with stupid people.
Whites are SO FRAGILE, that crowds of white girls will scream at black police officers
When a young African-American girl came up to him at a recent protest to ask why he wouldn't speak to the protesters he said he started to explain that every time he tried to do so a white protester would cut him off. Jackson said, "right when I said that this white girl pops right in front of her." The girl was amazed and said, "He just said that was going to happen." Jackson said to the girl, "I told you."
Jackson then said to the white girl who had interrupted, "I've been called the N-word. She's been called the N-word. Why are you talking to me this way? Why do you feel that she can't speak for herself to me? Why is it that you feel you need to speak for her when we're having a conversation?" The white girl replied, "Someone told me to do it."
What it's like to be a Black officer policing Portland protests
Tell me Again, how BLM white chix aren't racist little shits, that don't think blacks are smart enough to talk?
I came to you guys, screaming about impossible people on the left. You went and elected Donald Trump, an impossible person on the right. And now you're getting black people acting as impossible people and it's driving you crazy, when I came to you screaming about impossible people and the dangers they presented to us all. You have no one but yourselves to blame.
That's right.
Crack warned us about the yoga craze.
We were warned.
"I came to this blog as a black guy complaining about cults and you guys marginalized my concerns."
No black guy calls himself a black guy, right dat? Dude, homie, cat, hor, man, trope? but not guy.
I came to this blog as a black guy complaining about cults and you guys marginalized my concerns.
You know where you can put your 'concerns', don't you Crack?
"Anyone on this blog who knows me also knows I am far right of Center, so trying to paint me is Louis Farrakhan is not going to work on any level except to show others how racist you can be when you're trying to win a debate"
Crack, Pro Tip. When people unjustly accuse you of being Louis Farrakhan, don't accuse them of being rasist, accuse them of not seeing you as an individual.
I will happily support a law that establishes that 'cults' aren't truly religion and another that requires their practitioners to limit their nonsense to private life.
I'm pretty sure that TCE and I would agree about many or at least some of the names to be put on the list.
so the smithsonian realized they went to eleven, and retired miss katz's slide show,
so should the colonists have dealt with the asanti and the songhai,
Why are Asians ignored? They seem to value many of the same things with similar results.
Maybe the demands of leaving Africa 120,000 years ago and the challenges of negotiating new and different terrain and climates required and produced a special set of characteristics in those humans and their descendants.
But, there are all kinds of values shared and adopted by different people regardless of race. Good ideas and values tend to get adopted by successful individuals of all races, and they come from all directions. Some cultures (large or small) resist that and miss out on the benefits. The least open societies gain the least.
These new trends in American culture tend to exclude ideas and individuals. They are closing themselves off to alternatives, and missing out on the incredible power of parlaying the advances that came before, and they will suffer a severe price for it, because those who don't will leave them in the dust of competition. I don't intend to eat dust nor pass that plan on to those around me, because it's stupid and backward.
There is not much to life other than laying down a few bricks that others can build upon and enjoying the benefits of those laid down for us. These retarded thinkers are knocking down bricks and replacing none. They are worse than useless.
Oh...we're talking about race...So, please allow me to pontificate. I found myself in a precarious position decades ago. Couldn't pay the rent. My fault. I had a small pickup truck. It was October, in Phoenix, AZ, the blazing heat had abated. I fitted out my truck to be able to sleep in the bed of the truck, in the desert. Metro cab company was hiring. I could afford a 24hr a day membership at a Fitness center, so I had a place to take a shower everyday. $30 A month. Driving a cab doesn't require ironing. A clean polo, and you are good to go.
Day 1. I'm driving my cab on the overnight shift. 5p to 5a. I can't catch a break. The radio calls come in with a cross/street, and I'm there. I'm right there. 625 (my cab #), I answer. 625, I shout. The call goes to a guy 10 miles away. After paying the lease and gas, I ended up $-30. 1st day. The guys on the cabstands will not talk to me. I'm the new guy, the competition. They want me to quit. I'm get that, but I go back for a 2nd day.
Day 2. Sittin' at a designated cab stand in a parking lot at 3am. I'm gonna end up $-60 tonight. I decided it's my last night. Then, a cab pulled up. It was John Moore. A black guy. He was the 1st cab driver that talked to me. He asked me what I was doing there. Why aren't you at Alaskan Bush Company? Whut? It turns out, that there's a rhythm to Phoenix at night. Bars close at 1am. Be at a bar. The girls at the 'Gentlemen's clubs need a ride home. After that, rush back and get the bouncers that need a ride home. Then go to the All-nude clubs. Pick up the Mexicans who got thrown out of the bar for masturbating. (I don't make the rules, OK. I don't make the reality.) Then go back and get the girls, then get the bouncers.
I made $200 that night, net.
Why couldn't we see the wisdom? Was the messenger a failure, or did we just fail to hear?
I'm not sure whose fault this failure is, but personally, I'm doing just fine. With failure like this, I wonder why anybody even needs winning.
The Crack Emcee: "I came to you guys, screaming about impossible people on the left. You went and elected Donald Trump, an impossible person on the right."
You mean, even AFTER you informed Althousians of your demands the American nation did not respond to your explicit directives?
My God.
MY GOD!
How could this have happened?
WHY WONT ANYONE LISTEN TO CRACK AND DO WHAT HE SAYS????!!!!
"The very first thing she said after “ to start this off” contained an obviously false premise. Who can put up with this?"
Did you read the comments? I don't think that video has been making a lot of converts to the Diangelo thesis.
Blogger The Crack Emcee said...
...You have no one but yourselves to blame.
7/16/20, 5:54 PM
Blame? Try credit.
In this life, there is no failure. There is livin'. Who is the messenger?
Funny story. John Moore and I drove the ghetto as cab divers. As a reminder, John is black, me is white. So, check this out. John gets his rear window shot out with a .22. Oh, man, no one shoots out a cab driver's window in the ghetto. The safest place to be in the ghetto is in a cab! Momma goin' to bingo. Crackheads comin' in to buy... Anyway, John and I met up later at the Hometown Buffet on Bethany Road for lunch. John is still pissed about the rear window. I say, "John, what were you up to?." Safest place to be in the Phoenix ghetto was in a cab. Folks recognize. I think John was doing a little something on the side. Wasn't my business. Got his rear window shot out. These things happen.
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Crack what are blacks going to owe whites in 300 years for all the systemic racial abuse by blacks toward whites today? All the gorilla warfare, the rapes, the mean looks and declamations of racism. Why, you yourself Sir, have poked eyes and started fires.
Are you familiar with compound interest?
Odds are America will have been destroyed by proggies long before this so it is mute in that way, therefore can you acknowledge no other future society will care an iota about what happened on the land previously? I hope you don't think Chinese overlords, powered by the Nixons, Bushs, Obamas, and Bidens of the former USA, will do anything but extremely pre-judiciously mop up the mess left over and start anew at Year Zero. Good God I hope you don't think blacks will have any leadership in that process after the deed is done.
Do you mourn the Cheyenne killed by the Lakota? After America the Great Satan is gone, lots of people will be getting what they deserve. Many innocents will suffer death too, mere omelet humans.
It’s not just the return of John C Calhoun. It’s also the return of Amos’n’Andy.
Hey remember when OJ said he owned Nicole's pussy?
He was right. Possession is nine-tenths and that white pussy was his property, and he simply disposed of it.
Until a bunch of whites started complaining, causing Karen problems. But in the end, Justice was served once for a black man in America.
OJ was morally superior to any American "Founding Father" as OJ never claimed absurdly "All men are created equal." It takes a white man to not understand that.
Ken B observes: It’s not just the return of John C Calhoun. It’s also the return of Amos’n’Andy.
Not to mention Step'n Fetchit.
Do you mourn the Cheyenne killed by the Lakota?
Good question.
Here is another question.
According to anthropologists, many Indian Tribes tortured to death every young man who showed any gay tendencies. Not "most" but "every".
Do you mourn them?
I mean, we don't know any of their names. We know, since we know biology, that lots of Indian women had several sons, and lots of those sons - particularly the ones who were born third or fourth, or later, were gay. I mean, those of us who know anything about statistics know that. And we know, since we have the testimonials, that they - the ones who were born gay - were often tortured to death for being gay. We know all that, but do we care?
Does anyone here care to tell me they know the rape statistics, the domestic violence statistics, the femicide statistics of the various savage historical civilizations of the past?
But Nazi Nick Cannon tells us - and I am not sure it would not be better if he knew he were lying, or if he didn't --- that he is full of compassion. Because he is not white.
The hatred in the poor ignorant man's heart is devastatingly sad. The poor hate-filled creep needs prayers. I really worry about him - it is no small thing to sound like a hate-filled racist. Hopefully he is just a crazy manic-depressive who will figure out the evil he spouted was wrong as soon as his craziness passes. But more likely, he has gone over to the dark side, the evil side of race hate. Pray for the poor creature.
You’re operating with the assumption that other liberals view racism like you do: as a phenomenon to be discussed or as a problem to be solved. That is not at all how they see it. It is a club to beat others with until they cease disagreeing with you. Any logical fallacies you might encounter only make the club more powerful, as accusations of racism will be baffling and absurd and thus harder to dispute.
Re John C. Calhoun, and how he would have agreed with that "progressive" delineation of what constitutes Whiteness vs. Blackness, it sort of dovetails with the ideals of George Fitzhugh, the antebellum South's most articulate apologist for slavery. He made a collectivist case for "the peculiar institution" that reads almost as if he were channeling Karl Marx. I understand that after the War he became a socialist. Between the shades of Calhoun and Fitzhugh, it's almost as if the old prophesy "The South will rise again!" is coming to pass.
Yes, Calhoun, Fitzhugh, and the rest sound a lot like today's "anti-racism" activists. Working hard was a white thing that black people wouldn't do, unless they were kept enslaved.
Do black people, on the average, think differently than white people, on the average? If there are differences, to what extent are they genetic? To both questions, I answer 'Beats the hell out of me, buddy.' But it absolutely hilarious that the answers white supremacists used to give, to argue blacks are inferior, are now given by "anti-racists."
Be fun to see what happens to Chait now.
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