Highlight: @readdanwrite asks @drewbrees what the star NFL quarterback thinks about "players kneeling again when the NFL season starts."@drewbrees: “I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”
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He must be canceled for wrong thought. How dare he refuse to wear the ribbon!!!
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As I understand the rules, it's OK for players to express themselves by taking a knee and there shouldn't be any consequences, but it's not okay for players to express themselves by answering a question and there should definitely be consequences. That's right, isn't it?
Well, what he said sounds honorable and true to his being. However, I don't think it'll be accepted by the hard core think-as-we-do-or-else crowd. It would be like saying to a group of white kids wearing Black Lives Matter gear, "All Lives Matter". It could get you a 2x4 in the head.
What he said should be normal and a sign of character in any other time. But these are not normal times and people's brains do not work right today. The new narrative is that Kaepernick was right all along. Either you agree or you're wrong and we need to kill your children.
How long before he grovels, or did he retire?
Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.
-Michelle Obama
He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
That's how most of us feel. Protest with something else. Protest on your own time. I don't get to protest while I'm working.
That's controversial?
Only to the whacked out Antifa sociopath left. or - democratics.
I will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America or our country.”
One can agree or disagree with this position, but is this really a controversial position? It just seems to me to be standard "Ahm ah patriotic Uhmerican" thinking and would until the imposition of Lefty orthodoxy on the mass media considered to be part of the normal background of American cultural life.
But, then again, we're dealing with the same people who think we need to turn the world upside down so that the teeny-tiny fraction of the population who can't figure out what gender they are can bend us all to their mental illness. So, I guess all bets are off, then.
Honest question:
Take a knee to protest [fill in the blank]. So what? What changed? What good for [fill in the blank] cause did you accomplish?
He must be canceled for wrong thought. How dare he refuse to wear the ribbon!!!
He's wearing a ribbon, just not one that parses, divides, rips us in separate bands.
Howard said...He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
I do not understand your statement.
His Black offensive lineman should make a statement that we all need to disrespect the flag? The flag under which we make millions of dollars a year?
Ryan Ramczyk (UW) is their best tackle, but I don't recall which side of the line he is on.
Kaepernick paid a price for taking a political stand, correct? If this guy does, too, that's the risk you take.
Drew Brees has what is delicately referred to as Fuck You money.
Part of the problem is that the people who agree with Brees will, for the most part, say "He's right, you know." and go on with their lives.
The Karens, the cranks, and the angry assholes will take to the social media cesspool and REEEEEEEEEEEE!
Nothing new, really. It's another manifestation of the Squeeky Wheel syndrome.
I just started forgiving the NFL toward the end of last season. I even watched the Super Bowl.
If I see kneeling again, I am boycotting again. Do NOT pay the Dane-geld!
The cancellation of free speech continues by the democrat party.
He’s very brave to say that. I don’t follow the game, but re Howard, Brees must have a white O-line to protect him, and hope they aren’t NPC.
Good for him, but not so much for his career. Some lines demand to be toed, partly so that the owners and managers will be invited to the right social events and partly in the spirit of protecting the bottom line.
Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.
Yeah, He will be back today doing on online townhall to remind us of that. Him is coming.
As for Brees, his team is bailing on him. This is a guy who does more for his city than the entire rest of the team put together. He's always been a man of high character. And I have to tell you- there are millions of people in this country who are insulted when others insult the country, or destroy monuments, or burn flags/turn their back on the flag.
If we are to learn to listen to each other, does it not follow that we're supposed to listen to EACH OTHER? It sure seems like it's one side that wants to do all the talking and have the other side do all the listening. Or else.
The left live and breathe to shame and cow people into group think.
The flag and the national anthem are about more that the current leftwing/media pimped grievance du jour.
Mr. Floyd's death is tragic - very tragic, and it should never have happened. but, it's being dealt with. The officer was fired and charged with murder. I don't need to kneel to Kapernick. Nobody does.
Kneeling now, as far as I'm concerned, isn't for anything but what someone else demands you respect. A demand that you replace your deeper founded respect for freedom and country, and all who died for our freedom. Pack of China is asshole who would love to supplant our American flag with a hammer and sickle.
Why don't we have a half time show of grievance theater? change it up a bit.
(tho- kneeling before kapernick is still off the table for me.)
I never understood allowing protests at work. Every player on the field has political views, so if the standard is to take a knee in protest for some political cause, all the players would take a knee about something
2nd question: "How outraged are you by Macy's intentionally cutting the hands of protestors by barb-wiring its windows?
How can people look at someone on one knee and not also think of Chauvin and George Floyd? The optics of kneeling is a lot more nuanced now.
One of my facebook "friends" is promoting an effective boycott of the site tomorrow to FORCE Zuckerberg to take out after Trump somehow, perhaps by deplatforming Trump supporters.
It's not exactly like China banning broadcasts of Houston Rockets games because the manager posted a tweet supporting the resistance in Hong Kong, but you can see it from there.
This is illiberal -- in the classical sense -- and intolerant. Maybe it's the result of a generation of young adults who never had a high school civics class.
Personally, I don't take political cues from football players or entertainers or influencers. So sue me.
Hostility from who?
Coming back from lunch, I heard a radio talk show host say "this is the time to address the problem of racial tension and inequality".
And I was like, Hello? We had Barrack/Biden for 8 years. Why didn't HE address and do something about it. And what PRECISELY is supposed to be done, and when is it ever going to STOP? When PRECISELY will we reach a state of "racial equality" that won't necessitate riots and kneeling?
Are we supposed to elect Biden to solve this, when he didn't solve it with Barrack from 2009-2016?
If he is getting lots of hostility for saying that, I don't know how long our country has left.
You can take the boy out of Texas, but you can't take Texas out of the boy.
Brees is popular enough in New Orleans that the folks there will give him a pass on this.
Howard said...
He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
Because all black people hate the united states.
If you don't hate the united states or vote for democrats you are not Black according to racist pieces of shit like Howard.
Should everyone in the stands take a knee? In today’s United States is there ever an appropriate time and place to play it and what should we do if we hear it?
Best solution is to not play the National Anthem at sporting events.
I would think that Brees knows his locker room and teammates a little better than you do, Howie.
Howard the senile old fascist wants someone physically injured for disagreeing with the leftist hive mind.
Don't cave, Brees. As Dana Loesch says, never give in to the rage mob.
Howard said...
He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
Also no marine would ever believe this is a good idea.
Everyone who actually served had their buddies back no matter what color they were.
I doubt Howard was ever a Marine or if he was he was a Blue Falcon.
L.A. Kings announcer Grant Napear was fired Monday for saying "ALL LIVES MATTER…EVERY SINGLE ONE".
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My flag is the Gadsden flag anyway, because it expresses more the original idea of what this country was supposed to be about.
Good think he's NFL, and not NBA. Chairman Xi no doubt disapproves of such sentiments.
Protesting the anthem is precious freedom of speech! Brees must be destroyed over his speech!
Don't ask questions, just grab a rock.
Whom is he talking to? It is not about the flag but about racial injustice, even some of the police are taking a knee on company time.
roesch/voltaire said...It is not about the flag but about racial injustice,
Q: If that were true why are they doing it during the anthem? Why not do it in the locker room before the game? After the game? Why not at Kaepernick's house on Mondays?
A: I guess it is about the flag.
The NFL was just starting to make a comeback. If the players start kneeling again, the NFL is going to be punished.
Did I say it was a good idea Achilles? Of course not, but you have to prop up a strawman like all the other Trump Cucks.
Whom is he talking to? It is not about the flag but about racial injustice
Then why did Kaepernick disrespect the Betsey Ross flag?
joetay said...
Kaepernick paid a price for taking a political stand, correct?
Wrong. He's made far more from Nike specifically because of his politics than he could possibly have made in the NFL.
r/v, if it’s not meant to be disrespectful to the flag and national anthem, what’s the point of kneeling?
"this is the time to address the problem of racial tension and inequality".
OK..quick question, I missed the answer:
What exactly was supposed to happen differently in the Floyd case (after the killing) that would have been a better outcome? The cop who killed him was immediately suspended. In less than a week he was fired and arrested. Was he supposed to be summarily executed the next morning? The same police department took over half a year to fire and arrest a Black cop who killed a White woman three years ago.
So what were the protests about?
roesch/voltaire said...Whom is he talking to? It is not about the flag but about racial injustice, even some of the police are taking a knee on company time.
Please explain in concrete terms what "racial injustice" is.
Also. give me one concrete, new action that will cure the problem.
I have been saying for a couple of months we would see riots.
I did think they would be food riots and not political insurrection, so I was wrong on that.
I hope Howard gets to see some of the rioting up close and personal.
I hope his family sees the attack posted to Facebook.
Perhaps his property destroyed and a person he loves violated would break through his cognitive dissonance.
I doubt it.
NFL will be punished. Stadiums will be empty.
One difference between Drew Brees and Colin Kaepernick is that the former was not just a one season wonder (okay, okay, Kaepernick had two good seasons, in 2013 and 2014, but the 49ers only posted an 8-8 record in 2014).
Brees is popular enough in New Orleans that the folks there will give him a pass on this.
The fact anybody needs to 'get a pass' for saying something so fucking obvious shows just how truly screwed we are as a nation.
Tick.
Tock.
He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside.
From the little I know about the dynamics of a professional football team, I imagine that a left tackle who failed to block for Drew Brees would find himself getting educated by a bunch of his teammates in the back corner of the locker room, as well as being benched and probably cut.
I said:
Kaepernick paid a price for taking a political stand, correct?
Rick responded:
Wrong. He's made far more from Nike specifically because of his politics than he could possibly have made in the NFL.
My response: He's no longer playing football. Again, that's the price you pay.
And, really, you can't disrespect the flag. It's a piece of cloth. You can disrespect what it stands for, and that includes free speech and the freedom to protest. In a moment of violent protest, it seems stupid to criticize peaceful protest. And he paid a price. I don't really, in the end, object to that. The Dixie Chicks had a right to criticize Bush, radio programmers had a right to say "our listeners won't like that, so we'll stop playing them." Kaepernick knelt, and fans and owners made a decision about it. I think it was a dumb decision. If you don't want what are, even broadly speaking, political statements during sporting events, then don't sing the National Anthem.
Blacks are responsible for 52% of all murders in the USA per the 2016 FBI crime arrest stats. They are only about 14% of the population. If blacks could reduce that horrible stat [and yes, I know most of the people they kill are also black], they would not be "profiled" as much by LEO and by other people who just use their God given common sense.
Is taking a knee the best way to protest George Floyd's demise?
You saw what happened to the OK sign.
Who'll be the first to be accused of expressing solidarity with Chauvin?
I think South Park had people just agreeing that kneeling would be considered a sign of respect, just like standing. This confused the cartoon Kaepernick about how to make his protest, and every time he came up with some new gesture of protest, they came to the same resolution, so the issue went away. I'm just not that into football or symbols. Burning the flag is serious. I guess giving the Black Power salute would be serious. So would making an obscene gesture. Kneeling? Just imagine that he's praying for the country and ignore him.
Controversial. A new definition in the making, Gretchen Whitmer's mandating Active Covid19 seniors sent back to senior care. Just like De Blasio did. Her decision was called "controversial". Like she didn't kneel on all those granny's necks or something. Controversial! Though many died.
Blogger Francisco D said...
Howard said...He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
I do not understand your statement.
He seems to me to be expressing the opinion that a black left tackle (a right handed quarterback’s blind side) might purposely fail to stop a rushing linebacker who was charging like a bull for the QB. As some sort of payback for the QB’s expressing an opinion.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
This is in many ways a fine response, framed in terms of what the flag means for Brees--for me, the key is his belief that "we are all in this together."
What he doesn't explain is why others who view the claim that "we are all in this together" as fundamentally undermined by the persistence of police violence against black and brown people--not to mention the disgraceful words and conduct of our chief executive--should not, as a matter of conscience and consistent with free speech values, be allowed to express a different view, by simply taking a knee.
Shorter: "I hear what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.".
Mary Beth (the commenter) said...
How can people look at someone on one knee and not also think of Chauvin and George Floyd? The optics of kneeling is a lot more nuanced now.
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Maybe Rush et al should start refer to Kaepernick as "kneeling on America's neck."
That'll create a wholelotta consternation and cognitive dissonance among the race hustlers.
NO Saints starting Left Tackle
Brees is a bold man! I like it.
If these coddled millionaire NFL players start kneeling again, they should be prepared to take salary cuts of 50% from loss of revenue from fans leaving (like me).
Lots of big talk, Berkel. Everyone knows that you cowards will never follow through with any of your empty threats of tough guy vigilante violent action. We all know you're going to die with 100,000 rounds of unspent, spoiled ammunition and well stroked guns that are never used.
It's so obvious just look at the bilious Dreck that is spewed by Achilles on a daily basis. It's just over compensation for being pussy-whipped at home. At least he does have a wife unlike most deplorables who are still living on mother's service porch.
Update to my post above:
*Kneeling at a football game during the national anthem.* specifically.
If some cops want to kneel in front of some peaceful protestors as a way to say - 'Hey - we got you - George Floyd's death was WRONG and we know it. We gotta fix this and this is our olive branch.' I'm Ok with that.
You can do this near the end of your career. I am not Drew Brees, but I am in a similar life situation. No more fucks to give.
If Howard were burned out of his mom's home by rioters, he would never admit it.
Kapernick's stunt was to kneel at a time when others were standing in respect for the national anthem. He was showing deliberate disrespect for what others were respecting. Had he chosen a different time, a different setting, he could have made kneeling an act we could have ALL joined in to show solidarity and a commitment to become a better society. His was a narcissistic act, not an act of leadership.
The same people who keep arguing the protest isn't about the flag and the anthem out of one side of their mouths say out the other side that the protest MUST be during the anthem and there's no other time. Well, which is it? If it isn't about the anthem, and the many people like Brees who plead that it's offensive and can't support it and ask them to do it at another more appropriate time and place, then why insist on doing it then? WHY? It's because it is about the anthem. it is about the flag. Kaepernick said himself - he won't stand for a flag of a irredeemably racist country. That notion is offensive in it's own right and simply untrue.
These protesters are never going to get the broader support they might otherwise get when they're going out of their way to alienate people who might otherwise sympathize with their cause. Plus, if they had a better articulated and more specific agenda, such as reforming police tactics and training to de-escalate, to eliminate qualified immunity, etc, it'd be easier to have discussions and create workable solutions.
Instead, we are told we must end all "racism" or "systematic racism" which isn't a thing you can "end" or that anyone is seriously in favor of racism. It's particularly difficult when there's simply no way to demonstrate that racism is causing any of it. Of course, when you're blaming the "system" you don't have to prove racism exists because everything is more proof of the theory. For example, if systematic racism killed George Floyd and all of the other black people killed by police last year, then what killed the greater number of white people killed by police? And since the answer obviously isn't systematic racism, why are those same reasons ruled out when it comes to the deaths of Floyd and black people?
It's because when you've been taught you're whole life that America is racist and everything is racist and everything bad that happens is proof of racism, then you believe it and nothing will stop you from believing it. It's religious. If you won't give up that belief, then there's no more conversation to be had.
"the folks there will give him a pass on this."
A pass? Did he do something wrong?
There's not as much racial division among teammates in organized sports as many are hoping for.
It makes me ill that so many people think it’s okay to use the flag and national anthem for political stunts and protests. Choosing that moment — which is explicitly meant for reflection about things much much bigger than you — to push yourself into the center of attention is gross and disgusting and tells me a lot about you but nothing about your cause.
Too many people think “everything is about me” today. No, it isn’t.
I feel *exactly* the same way Brees does. Think about sacrifices made by others before you, and nothing else. That’s it, that’s how this works. Choose other less disrespectful times to make your super-important point.
Aaron Rodgers has chimed in on the woke side.
He should know better. I never talk to those “people”.
RobinGoodfellow said...
Blogger Francisco D said...
Howard said...He better hope that he doesn't have a black left offensive tackle protecting his blindside. Olé, Olé, Olé
I do not understand your statement.
He seems to me to be expressing the opinion that a black left tackle (a right handed quarterback’s blind side) might purposely fail to stop a rushing linebacker who was charging like a bull for the QB. As some sort of payback for the QB’s expressing an opinion.
6/3/20, 4:35 PM
So what Howie is saying is that black people are untrustworthy, treacherous, disloyal, dishonest, stupid and/or short-sighted with a lack of future orientation, and that if you have them on your team, they will cheat and betray you. Assuming he even knew what he was saying. I suppose the Ole, Ole, Ole is just the DTs.
After our hostess posted this, I searched Twitter for #drewbrees. The results were literally terrifying. It's put me in a funk for the rest of the day.
In George M. Cohan's time, if your vaudeville act was bombing, you could perk up the crowd and get a round of applause just by showing them Old Glory.
Apparently now you have to pee on it to get the same result.
Wrong. He's made far more from Nike specifically because of his politics than he could possibly have made in the NFL.
That's right. The reason he's not in the NFL is because he gives up on the play and runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. NFL coaches don't like that, even the bad ones...
Mary Beth (the commenter) said...
How can people look at someone on one knee and not also think of Chauvin and George Floyd? The optics of kneeling is a lot more nuanced now.
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the offer you can't refuse - "you better kneel when I tell you to or I will kneel on your neck'
Stephen said...
What he doesn't explain is why others who view the claim that "we are all in this together" as fundamentally undermined by the persistence of police violence against black and brown people--not to mention the disgraceful words and conduct of our chief executive--should not, as a matter of conscience and consistent with free speech values, be allowed to express a different view, by simply taking a knee.
Notice the dishonesty about what is involved: "it's just a personal decision, free speech!".
If banks had a requirement that withdrawals be accompanied by lectures not to spend your money on drinking would the left say complaints by either the customer or the employer violated free speech? It's absurd. Players are free to speak their minds on their own time, and people are free to criticize them for it as well.
I note literally no one who makes this argument speaks about the left's attacks on free speech through employment. They have no consistent principles, only rationalizations to empower leftists and attack all others.
Howard said...
Did I say it was a good idea Achilles? Of course not, but you have to prop up a strawman like all the other Trump Cucks.
You confirm you support this kind of action in word and in deed.
You vote for democrats and you support them in word and deed here. So you support rioting, murder, and sedition.
You are just a coward.
You cannot take responsibility for your actions because you know what you are supporting but you just don't want to admit it.
There are 60 million people out there that voted for Jill Stein who are just as cowardly as you.
Rick,
I don't get your hypothetical. Who's Brees and who's Kaepernick and where are the owners?
I said consistent with free speech values because football players work for the owners and the owners are not bound by the First Amendment.
I analyzed the question as one of individual conscience because that's how I understood Brees to be thinking about it--his devotion to the flag seems quite specific to his own family history and values, writ large. So that raises the question of why Kaepernick couldn't legitimately reach a different conclusion and kneel based upon it.
If he'd argued that as a matter of contract, the owners can do anything they want to force players to honor the flag, either to enforce their views or to protect their business from fan defections then that would call for a different analysis, and I might agree with him. But that's not how he framed it.
Howard,
I am hoping you get the Leftist Collectivist crowd caught in a frenzy of pillaging.
I want you to get what you're cheering.
And I want it in spades.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal.
LeBron James answered him well.
The conversation about race isn't supposed to be bidirectional.
Your freedom to speak shall be confined to the preapproved talking points.
Let me check...
**walks away**
**walks back**
Nope.
We are fresh out of fucks for the Chinese NBA.
Perhaps we'll have more in stock when our supply chain for sports related opinions is repatriated.
Stephen said...
I analyzed the question as one of individual conscience because that's how I understood Brees to be thinking about it--his devotion to the flag seems quite specific to his own family history and values, writ large. So that raises the question of why Kaepernick couldn't legitimately reach a different conclusion and kneel based upon it.
6/3/20, 9:43 PM
The root issue is Brees did his "politicing" on his time, Kaepernick did it on the fan's/owner's/league's time. That is the difference. Just like at those music concerts, "Shutup and sing". In this case, "Just play". You want to get all political, your right, on YOUR time, not ours. He is NOT paid to make a scene while he is "on the clock".
Stephen said...
I said consistent with free speech values because football players work for the owners and the owners are not bound by the First Amendment.
This is completely false since free speech principles are not limited to the first Amendment. When people who pretend to support civil liberties and freedom nevertheless continuously and significantly minimize those liberties and freedoms you have to consider whether their branding is accurate or just an effort to fool the rubes.
So that raises the question of why Kaepernick couldn't legitimately reach a different conclusion and kneel based upon it.
He can of course - as he did. His employers are also entitled to tell him to advocate his politics on his own time and if he refused to do so terminate him. Further customers are right to complain as Stephen would undoubtedly understand if his economic and entertainment interactions were interrupted by political messages he didn't agree with. It's revealing to note even at this late date left wingers claim both that people should be allowed to make political statements at work and also that people should be fired for making political statements in their personal lives. The only difference is whether the politics are sufficiently left. They have no principles, only justifications and excuses.
The reason why Kaepernick is no longer a professional quarterback is not his kneeling. It is plays like like this one.
Not one, but two wide receivers looking at probable 99 yard touchdowns.
Shocked and surprised at how gutless Brees looks with that quick "apol ogy".
And oh, by the way, there goes my much-anticipated NFL football season.season. Goodell and the networks are going to go full Kaep.
I see Brees has walked back his remarks. Gutless son of a streetwalking whore.
Here's where I come to read diatribes against Drew Brees and NFL as spineless.
When you kneel during the national anthem (just like when you sit and refuse to recite the pledge), you are making a non-verbal declaration that the USA is not worthy of your allegiance. That the USA is a terrible place with racist cops who track down innocent blacks to gun down, a political class that refuses to rein in the evil, racist cops, and a general population who knows that blacks are used for target practice and doesn’t care.
Now I see that as a nasty, vile slander of the very worst kind. It’s a vicious pack of lies and a direct attack against my country. It’s the kind of attack which is made specifically for the purpose of encouraging the hate-filled riots we are seeing now.
I will never kneel. Not patriotic to kneel. Kneeling endorses vicious stereotyping and hatred.
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