Althouse: Things not believed.

June 2, 2020

Things not believed.

I do NOT believe these people are from Madison.
— Lori Dukro (@JusDucky27) May 31, 2020

104 comments:

Michael said...: Well bless your heart.; 6/2/20, 8:15 AM
Wince said...: I do NOT believe these people are from Madison.

Is it the cowboy hat and the green leotard?; 6/2/20, 8:16 AM
Jake said...: Of course they aren’t. Silly goose.; 6/2/20, 8:16 AM
Ken B said...: I do not not believe they are. Insufficient evidence.

But, let’s assume they aren’t. Then what? They came to town to riot. Are the black ones from Aryan Nation? No, if they are out of towers they are far more likely to be antifa.; 6/2/20, 8:20 AM
dix said...: I believe the guy in green is from Madison; 6/2/20, 8:21 AM
tcrosse said...: The guy in the Jolly Green Giant outfit is obviously from Minnesota.; 6/2/20, 8:21 AM
Rick said...: "I pledge allegiance to the left, and resolve to believe only what helps the cause."; 6/2/20, 8:21 AM
Calypso Facto said...: “A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” Saul Bellows; 6/2/20, 8:23 AM
Rob said...: Those wily white supremacists are disguising themselves very well.; 6/2/20, 8:25 AM
GatorNavy said...: Such upstanding young liberals; 6/2/20, 8:28 AM
Spiros said...: We're taking a brief moral holiday. Things will get back to normal when Biden wins. If Biden doesn't win, all the ugly feelings these people have about Whites (and Asians) are going to resurface.; 6/2/20, 8:29 AM
tim maguire said...: Not our class, dear.; 6/2/20, 8:31 AM
DanTheMan said...: Believes. Without any evidence either way.

There's your problem right there.; 6/2/20, 8:31 AM
Sebastian said...: You have to give it to the white nationalists, they disguise themselves extremely well.

By the way, where were the police? What do your high taxes get you, Althouse?; 6/2/20, 8:32 AM
Temujin said...: Or...if you look around your sociology class at UoW, you might recognize some of them.

In every video of people smashing windows, stealing goods, you see many more people 'capturing it' on their phones than the actual number of people doing the damage, stealing, and/or beating up people. One wonders, in another era, before iPhones and social media, if everyday people, your neighbors, the people you pass on the street, would bond together to stop WHAT THEY KNOW AND EVERYONE KNOWS IS WRONG. It's crazy to approach the mob alone. But if the larger mob is the mob of good people standing up to the losers, what would happen?

Instead of taking pictures of the ruin of a city, your city, or someone else's neighborhood, why not stop it? En masse? Where are the good people these days?

Maybe at home, loading their weapons, and waiting...?; 6/2/20, 8:35 AM
rhhardin said...: There's an IQ spread evidenced by people recording in portrait mode vs people recording in landscape mode.; 6/2/20, 8:41 AM
Birkel said...: I believe more people will be woke after all this.
And I mean woke in the Kurt Schlichter sense of the word.

This is - to use Obama's terminology - exactly who the Left is.
And anybody voting for Democratics is voting for this.; 6/2/20, 8:46 AM
Bay Area Guy said...: Liberals are stupid. They live in a delusional world inside their mind. They are shocked and surprised when confronted with unpleasant truths from the real world.; 6/2/20, 8:47 AM
chickelit said...: By the way, where were the police? What do your high taxes get you, Althouse?

I am co-owner (through inheritance) of a house on Madison's east side. I know all about those sky high taxes. I cannot wait much longer to be rid of the house and the extortion racket it enables.; 6/2/20, 8:47 AM
gspencer said...: I can easily believe they're from Madison.

What I find really hard to believe is that the Green Lantern ever wore a cowboy hat and carried a cell phone.; 6/2/20, 8:48 AM
MadisonMan said...: I notice that there were boarded-up shop windows on Monroe St this morning, across from Trader Joes. Ms. Dukro who doesn't "believe" these people are from Madison, and who is also an Antifa apologist, embodies everything nefarious about Madison liberals IMO. Open your eyes Lady and see some uncomfortable truths.; 6/2/20, 8:50 AM
Left Bank of the Charles said...: The strawberry blond who makes the last, ineffectual kick at the already broken window is the star of that video.; 6/2/20, 8:52 AM
Lurker21 said...: Are there really enough hardened Antifa activists to spread around the country? There may be some everywhere, but most of the people rioting and looting are probably locals. Arguably, if you hear about riots going on in a nearby city and you want a piece of the action you might go there, but if you come from a large city and there are riots going on where you are, you aren't going to shlep out to some smaller city where there's less swag.; 6/2/20, 8:52 AM
Mark said...: Well, the two white girls who were on news photos kicking a window Saturday were from Middleton and Waunakee.

And the 22 year old caught with a handgun and weed on Sunday night was from out of the county.; 6/2/20, 9:00 AM
D.D. Driver said...: I love Denmark, too. But these guys reeeeally love Denmark.; 6/2/20, 9:00 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: Have you noticed any pallets of bricks positioned around downtown?; 6/2/20, 9:10 AM
DanTheMan said...: Once again, these people are not protesting. They are shopping.; 6/2/20, 9:12 AM
Inga said...: “Are there really enough hardened Antifa activists to spread around the country?”

Probably not, but add to those numbers the right wing extremists groups, like Boogaloo Bois, the Three Percenters, Proud Boys, Identity Evropa and more.; 6/2/20, 9:12 AM
Inga said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/2/20, 9:13 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Hey INGA - you want to preach to us those are "white nationalists"?; 6/2/20, 9:16 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The leftwing encouraged this.
The leftwing blame Trump and his supporters.; 6/2/20, 9:17 AM
I'm Not Sure said...: "I do NOT believe these people are from Madison."

Of course you don't.; 6/2/20, 9:18 AM
wendybar said...: How many times do you have to be told they are little white boy radicals called Antifa, who are the little brownshirts of our day. If the MEDIA actually reported NEWS....everybody would already know about them. But instead you have governors and the media praising them. Wake up.; 6/2/20, 9:20 AM
Bill, Republic of Texas said...: Hey I have an idea! Why don't we arrest these people and find out who they are.; 6/2/20, 9:20 AM
wendybar said...: Bricks have been distributed to major cities so the little Anitifas have ready weapons. This has been planned for years. Cloward and Piven coming to a city near you!!!; 6/2/20, 9:21 AM
Clyde said...: Speaking of "things not believed," Joe Biden is making a speech and trotting out every hoary Democrat cliché in their playbook. What a tiresome old fool.; 6/2/20, 9:24 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: I have had a crazy thought going through my head since the first report of the death of George Floyd. Maybe the cops who were involved in his death were just crappy human beings and bad cops. Maybe racism had nothing to do with it.; 6/2/20, 9:26 AM
Todd said...: Sebastian said...

You have to give it to the white nationalists, they disguise themselves extremely well.

6/2/20, 8:32 AM

Well they must have taken lessons from the masters: Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Florida Secretary of State Mike Ertel, etc.; 6/2/20, 9:30 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Inga's party kills the elderly in nursing homes.

Inga's party and her party's hack liar press - they loot and steal -- burn and lie. They encourage it all from Obama on down. Then they blame people who had nothing to do with it.; 6/2/20, 9:33 AM
Josephbleau said...: I hate to say it but the guy in the green suit reminds me of the ambiguously gay duo cartoons on the old SNL.; 6/2/20, 9:33 AM
The Neon Madman said...: "None are so blind, as they who will not see"; 6/2/20, 9:40 AM
Wince said...: Lori Dukro

Her beliefs, like ducks in a row.; 6/2/20, 9:40 AM
John henry said...: I wonder if the leotard guy is one of the rioters or is govt. And if govt, which? State, city, fed? And if govt, what branch? Military intelligence?

He does seem to be doing a pretty good job documenting who's involved

Perfect disguise. Nobody would believe an agent (for lack of a better word) would dress like that. Urban camo.

John Henry; 6/2/20, 9:43 AM
TreeJoe said...: Wouldn't a group of people NOT from Madison/locally almost certainly have backpacks or similar with their vital stuff?

If you are coming into town for a night of rioting, don't you bring with you supplies, food, drinks, phone, probably a portable charger, masks, maybe a change of clothes, etc.

I would assume anyone NOT carrying a backpack is probably local because they know their belongings are safe somewhere (and not in a car) and they can gain access to food/water/supplies as needed.; 6/2/20, 9:45 AM
John henry said...: Homeowners insurance varies from state to state.

My understanding is that acts of terrorism are generally excluded but what about Wisconsin?

When these terrorists get out into the suburbs, will the homeowners find themselves without coverage?

Seriously. Does anyone know what pdjt's designation of terrorism does to coverage?

John Henry; 6/2/20, 9:48 AM
n.n said...: But I was progressive!; 6/2/20, 9:52 AM
Carter Wood said...: Another peaceful protest turned violent.; 6/2/20, 9:53 AM
n.n said...: But I was progressive; 6/2/20, 9:53 AM
Carter Wood said...: Another peaceful protest turned violent.; 6/2/20, 9:53 AM
walter said...: Lurker,
So many riots, so little time.
The important ones get the surveillance coms.; 6/2/20, 9:54 AM
bagoh20 said...: To me, those people walking around with their cell phones up look like complete idiots doing that. Put it away. Your footage is identical to everyone else's. You might as well post a sunset, or cat video. Is that really what your life is about - posting stupid repetitive videos just like everyone else. The internet is getting so tedious.; 6/2/20, 9:57 AM
bagoh20 said...: Yea, that tall ginger who goes for the participation trophy is really pathetic. That is not going to get him laid.; 6/2/20, 10:01 AM
Mary Beth said...: Too diverse for Madison? Would she be more likely to believe it if they were all white?; 6/2/20, 10:03 AM
Dude1394 said...: The tannest white supremists ever. Democrats at work.; 6/2/20, 10:04 AM
Renee said...: We were told that in Boston, but everyone arrested was regional and lived within distance of the commuter trains (1hour).; 6/2/20, 10:09 AM
Carol said...: I believe more people will be woke after all this.

Don't count on it. People in these cities have Stockholm Syndrome.; 6/2/20, 10:16 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Guidance from the hack-D press:

Limit the term "looting"; 6/2/20, 10:34 AM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: Rioters in Minneapolis were from Omaha, those in Milwaukee from Minneapolis, in Chicago from Milwaukee, in St. Louis from Chicago, in Omaha from St. Louis.

Smaller cities along the way had to make do with spillover from the circuit rioters.; 6/2/20, 10:35 AM
Yancey Ward said...: "I do NOT believe these people are from Madison"

Of course you don't, Sweetie. You just keep believing whatever it is you need to believe in order to get any sleep at all this Summer. Perhaps they will leave your apartment/house untouched.; 6/2/20, 10:37 AM
hombre said...: Temujin: “But if the larger mob is the mob of good people standing up to the losers, what would happen?”

This IS how the good people of the left stand up to losers. It’s called “acquiescence” or less charitably “complicity.”; 6/2/20, 10:40 AM
cubanbob said...: The question for the Madisions here is what would have Scott Walker have done differently than Evers? Also if the shopkeepers shot the looters while in the act, who of you would give a crap?; 6/2/20, 10:43 AM
Amy said...: Everyone I talk to or read about (civilians, gov't officials, etc.) say that the rioters are not local to their area. But they have to be from SOMEWHERE! So where are they coming from?; 6/2/20, 10:45 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Yeah, because leftist violence and anarchy have never been tolerated or celebrated in Madison.; 6/2/20, 10:51 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Yeah, because leftist violence and anarchy have never been tolerated or celebrated in Madison.; 6/2/20, 10:51 AM
Sonny said...: Then you haven't watched a school bowrd meeting.; 6/2/20, 10:57 AM
Sonny said...: Then you haven't watched a school bowrd meeting.; 6/2/20, 11:01 AM
Tomcc said...: Howsabout arresting them and finding out?; 6/2/20, 11:14 AM
traditionalguy said...: Standard UW Marxist disciples proving there is no such thing as Property owned by individuals. The State Bolsheviks own everything in the name of the people.; 6/2/20, 11:19 AM
MayBee said...: Also what shouldn't be believed: The White House with the lights out photo shared by Hillary Clinton and David Axelrod was taken in....2015. Hahhahahahahahahah!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/viral-white-house-blackout-image-shared-by-hillary-clinton-democrats-edited-and-from-at-least-2015

The White House did turn some exterior lights off and some interior lights off on Sunday.; 6/2/20, 11:33 AM
stlcdr said...: Wouldn't it be great if we had a technology that presented information to those that use it to increase our knowledge? Shame we don't have such a thing.; 6/2/20, 11:40 AM
Rick said...: Inga said...
“Are there really enough hardened Antifa activists to spread around the country?”

Probably not, but add to those numbers regular left wingers who are happy to join in when opportunity presents itself.; 6/2/20, 11:41 AM
Francisco D said...: "I do NOT believe these people are from Madison"

They look like Russians to me.

- Susan Rice; 6/2/20, 11:42 AM
Fernandinande said...: "My vague impression is that Antifa are kind of ugly on average. They seem to have a look about them that suggests their beef with society has less to do with ideology and more to do with how they came out kind of funny-looking."

"Those crooked faced ones always strike me as the wayward kids of the lumpenproles."; 6/2/20, 11:47 AM
RobinGoodfellow said...: “
Blogger rhhardin said...
There's an IQ spread evidenced by people recording in portrait mode vs people recording in landscape mode.”

Thank you. My pet peeve also.; 6/2/20, 11:55 AM
realestateacct said...: Lovely to see how integrated the looters are.; 6/2/20, 11:57 AM
Yancey Ward said...: The "they are not from here" is just horseshit. In 80% of the arrests that have been made, the arrested are local. Just do the minimal work online, and you will see in city after city the arrest records for these events show that 80%+ of the rioters and looters arrested are from the cities and surrounding suburbs. They aren't coming from far away- they live in the cities for the most part.

This applies to Antifa, too- the members aren't being bused in from far away either- the organization has a broad on-line membership with local members to be found everywere in the urban environment, and they do communicate with each other with encrypted messaging. They mostly aren't funded from far away, either- expenses are out of pocket for the members. People are looking for a strongly hiarchal organization when there really isn't one- it is one of the organization's strengths, though. It is hard to decaptitate an organization that resembles a hydra more than it does S.P.E.C.T.R.E.; 6/2/20, 12:01 PM
realestateacct said...: It is possible to add terrorism coverage to a standard commercial policy for an additional premium. The premiums are more affordable than they would be because after 9/11 a backstop re-insurance fund was created that kicks in after a certain amount of claims - I think 200 million but going off memory here. It has not been accessed ever. In general civil unrest is an exclusion in your homeowners policy.; 6/2/20, 12:06 PM
Jupiter said...: "I have had a crazy thought going through my head since the first report of the death of George Floyd. Maybe the cops who were involved in his death were just crappy human beings and bad cops."

You probably also had a "crazy thought" that Michael Brown was a Gentle Giant with his hands up, and Trayvon Martin was an angelic twelve-year-old with a craving for skittles. Admit it, you did. Here's a tip; those aren't "thoughts", they are lies planted by the MSM. Isn't that amazing?!; 6/2/20, 12:15 PM
Inga said...: “How many times do you have to be told they are little white boy radicals called Antifa, who are the little brownshirts of our day.”

Sheesh, how many times indeed? Because you and the rest of the Trumpists here say it doesn’t mean it’s so. Most other people outside this blog’s comments sections already understand that there is something ELSE or in addition to Antifa going on here.; 6/2/20, 12:36 PM
Skippy Tisdale said...: 'We came to riot': Illinois man livestreamed lighting fires, handing out explosives in Minneapolis, charges say

https://www.startribune.com/we-came-to-riot-illinois-man-livestreamed-lighting-fires-in-minneapolis/570930722/; 6/2/20, 12:41 PM
Inga said...: ‘How's about arresting them and finding out?‘

I suspect that is what has happened and the is why ghe Governor of MN already said there were outside entities embedding themselves in the protests and actually doing some of the destruction, while inciting and instigating others to do the same.

They are accelerationists.

White Supremacists Embrace "Accelerationism"

“Accelerationism is a term white supremacists have assigned to their desire to hasten the collapse of society as we know it. The term is widely used by those on the fringes of the movement, who employ it openly and enthusiastically on mainstream platforms, as well as in the shadows of private, encrypted chat rooms. We have also recently seen tragic instances of its manifestation in the real world.

The concept of acceleration has existed for years as a fringe philosophy. Some of the earliest examples are rooted in a Marxist notion that the intensification of an unhinged force, such as capitalism, for example, will inevitably result in that force’s own self-destruction. However, some white supremacists have adopted the terminology and determined that a societal collapse is both imminent and necessary. On March 21, 2019, one anonymous 8chan user, who promoted white supremacist views, wrote, “I used to think acceleration was a marxist [sic] trick…Now, however, I see its value.””; 6/2/20, 12:45 PM
John henry said...: Re non-locals not being arrested. That may be true but that doesn't mean non-locals are not being detained.

Carlos Osweda has posted at least 2 clips of apparent leaders being scooped up by large, fit, men not in any kind of uniform but with military gear items.

These were in Minneapolis over the weekend. Where it is fairly peaceful now.

He posits special forces. He posits that they are being detained as terrorists. No arrest, not trip to a jail. No public record. But definitely detained.

John Henry; 6/2/20, 12:47 PM
Skippy Tisdale said...: "This is heartwarming."

Yes. Yes it is.; 6/2/20, 12:49 PM
Static Ping said...: Ah, the classic No True Scotsman fallacy with a side of No True Scott Walker.; 6/2/20, 12:53 PM
Lucien said...: Tell ya' what, you loot and burn and break things in my neighborhood, and I'll break things, burn, and loot in your neighborhood, and then we'll both claim it was done by outsiders . . deal?; 6/2/20, 12:54 PM
bagoh20 said...: It tells me something that Inga knows about all these White supremacist groups that I've never heard of. Are you getting the newsletters? Attending the meetings?; 6/2/20, 12:59 PM
n.n said...: Too diverse for Madison?

Now, that's not fair. Color judgments follow the one-drop rule when politically congruent, otherwise they exercise their god or goddess-given rite to indulge liberal license and wallow in "white Hispanic" bogs.; 6/2/20, 1:02 PM
GingerBeer said...: No true Madisonian...; 6/2/20, 1:09 PM
GingerBeer said...: Leo Burt wasn't from Madison either. He was just a student at UW.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt/leo-frederick-burt; 6/2/20, 1:13 PM
Jim at said...: Let's say they're not from Madison. Why does it matter?; 6/2/20, 1:20 PM
Amadeus 48 said...: MN DFL hacks are desperately trying to deflect blame away from the thuggish element of Minnesotans that are not "Minnesota nice." The other day, over 86% of those arrested in St. Paul were from Minnesota.

They sound like those southern Democrat politicians that used to blame outside agitators during the civil rights era. "Minnesota Summer" has a nice echo of "Mississippi Summer". Maybe there will be GOP registration drives in around Minnetonka.

Sounds like the same chorus in Madison. "Those outside agitators are coming in here and stirring up our looters!"; 6/2/20, 1:32 PM
Original Mike said...: Inga never stops, does she? Her "knowledge" of the right wing extremist groups, groups I've never heard of, is quite impressive.

Three years of pushing a conspiracy hoax that came crashing down around her doesn't even make a dent. Now she's lapping up the new conspiracy hoax from the same sources that brought us Russia! Russia! Russia!.; 6/2/20, 1:45 PM
jeff said...: John Henry - my homeowners insurance is AR15 + Delta Defense; 6/2/20, 1:55 PM
Birkel said...: Poll:

Is Inga too stupid to learn or a paid propagandist?

I said years ago there is no real Inga.
It is a disinformation account.; 6/2/20, 2:01 PM
Skipper said...: Now that's the Madison I knew and loved.; 6/2/20, 2:15 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: No Inga - It's Antifa. and BLM. That's it.

If one so-called white nationalist shows up, that doesn't erase the numbers hiking into the hundreds or thousands of Antifa numbers.

You're just making excuses for the horror show that is your party and your ideology.; 6/2/20, 3:01 PM
Tomcc said...: Inga: I read the article to which you linked. It's an interesting theory and I don't doubt that there are several dozen people out there that subscribe to it. It puzzles me that although we have had lots of atrocities (Synagogue murders for example) the "dominoes" never fall. You'd think that would be obvious to these folks- unfortunately, they are mentally deranged.
Do those people have characteristics in common with the criminal underclass that have been rioting and looting? They are both groups of (mostly) young, disaffected people that are enraged at a system that, in their perception, keeps them "down". In reality what keeps them down is they may lack the character traits necessary to navigate in the larger world: self-reliance, self-discipline, integrity, impulse control, ability to plan, a basic work ethic, and maybe most importantly, a stable family structure that instills those traits.; 6/2/20, 3:29 PM
effinayright said...: Inga said...
“Are there really enough hardened Antifa activists to spread around the country?”

Probably not, but add to those numbers the right wing extremists groups, like Boogaloo Bois, the Three Percenters, Proud Boys, Identity Evropa and more.
*********************

Funny...not even the SPLC agrees with you:

“I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/06/02/that-white-nationalists-causing-george-floyd-riot-chaos-talking-point-took-anothe-n2569882; 6/2/20, 4:05 PM
Rosalind said...: Inga - your source is ADL - darling, YOU are the "accelorationist"; 6/2/20, 4:22 PM
chickelit said...: "Accelorationism" is terrible word! The word "catalyst" fit much better, especially in view of Greek etymology.; 6/2/20, 5:22 PM
Jupiter said...: ADL was created to defend Leo Frank, a Jew who killed a 13-year-old white girl who resisted his sexual advances. They did their best to frame two different black men for the crime, but he was ultimately convicted. But they did not give up. They've been lying and conniving to defend the guilty and smear the innocent ever since.; 6/2/20, 5:48 PM
n.n said...: the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups

The right is libertarian. The center is conservative as in constitutional (less the Twilight Amendment). Neither is diversitist, let alone rabid, in principle. Keep looking. Don't lose hope!; 6/2/20, 9:42 PM
n.n said...: It's Antifa. and BLM

Antifa joined BLM (Baby Lives Matter)?; 6/2/20, 9:43 PM
Bunkypotatohead said...: Madisonians could save a lot of tax dollars by disbanding their police force. It doesn't appear to do any policing.
One shotgun blast aimed at the feet of the first "protester" would have ended this entire episode. The rest of them would have turned tail immediately.; 6/2/20, 9:45 PM