... you can talk all night.
That's how the sky looked at 6:04 this morning. The actual sunrise time was 5:59. It was the first day this year when the sun rose before 6. We're in the part of the year where the sunlight proportion of the day increases quickly — almost 3 more minutes each day. But how early does the sunrise get? The earliest is 5:17. That will happen on June 10 through June 19. The daily change in the light is only a few seconds that close to the solstice. I started my running for the sunrise on September 9th last year, when the sunrise came at 6:31, which was also the sunrise time on April 5th. So since April 5th, each day has been the earliest day I've gone out for the run. What makes it a little challenging is that the sunset is so late. I had no trouble getting up before 5 in the dark months, when the sun sets before 5. It's much harder in the light months, when the sun sets at 8 and even later. The latest it gets is 8:41. And twilight isn't over until 9:16. To get 7 hours of sleep and make it out in time for a 5:17 sunrise, you have to get to sleep a half hour after twilight. That's a bit rigorous!
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Actually, I've found that some comedy actors do rather well doing drama.
So I'm sure you've all heard of the "No Homers Club"?
Not a bad idea, really.
Ann,
Thank you for all the gorgeous pictures. I have enjoyed following your sunrise runs. Before children, I ran with a friend at 5:30 each day. Even though my kids are now out of the house, I cannot consistently make it out of the house for an early morning run. Part of it is I run extensively on trails; even when the sun has risen, under the canopy, it remains dark. And part of it is laziness.
The sunrise/sunset issue is horrible when one has small children. I raised my kids in Indiana, and when darkness does not descend until 10:00, wrestling children into bed is impossible. Their circadian clocks are keyed into light. Indiana is right on the far edge of Eastern time and the early edge of Central. I love sunlight in the morning and would have been much happier had we stayed the way we were until 2005 or so--never changing the clocks.
I hate DST. I want it light as early as possible in the morning, and I don't really care to have daylight much past 8:30 or so.
Ah well, typically, no one consulted me when this decision was made.
A little rebel spirit in Southern Cal -- Huntington Beach! A community of beer drinking, dope smoking Republican surfers! I like those guys!
Tens of thousands of Californians escape their homes to open beaches during a heatwave despite Gov. Newsom's pleas for them to stay home as state reached 40,000 cases
Governors and mayors are about to realize that they are not in charge of the reopening.
I live in a state with a Republican governor, and I live close to the border of a state that has a Democratic governor. Both governors have announced plans to reopen the state economies in “phases”.
Meanwhile my neighbors are reopening with or without government approval. A “non-essential” dog grooming and boarding facility has reopened for grooming, with strict distance, and scheduled appointments. My over-age-60 neighbors set up a table and chairs in their front yard and just greeted neighbors as they walked in the suburban street. Two women of a certain age were teaching each other tennis on the basketball court. You get the point.
People are being considerate of others (like me) who go out but put on masks when approaching other people. People are maintaining distancing. People are using commonsense and common courtesy. There is an obvious desire to reconnect or to connect with strangers with a friendly wave or shouted greeting.
In my opinion there is much more danger of government over-reach provoking civil disobedience than there is of unsafe actions by citizens endangering others. What we’re learning is we are the leaders, and our elected officials are watching the news and trying to keep up.
Apropos of nothing: a few days back a commentor used the acronym ROW. When questioned, he said it stood for "Rest of the World". At first I thought it was the "Republik of Wisconsin" given recent events.
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Wisconsin saw no increase in infection after the April 7 election.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-saw-no-coronavirus-infection-rate-spike-after-april-7-election-study-says
Tonight, teaming up with Rose Tyler's dad, Mr. Bean is trying to catch a serial killer in Paris.
"So I'm sure you've all heard of the "No Homers Club?"
One of the truly classic episodes. I still bust a gut laughing at that one every time I watch it.
BAG and h,
I am delighted to see normal people deciding how to phase in a return to a more normal state. The politicians like Newsom just get more and more controlling--why do we need to continue to flatten the curve? What is his purpose? No longer to spare hospitals, but to control who gets ill--and who dies. "You can save lives!" Bullshit.
A) Staying out of the sun, heat and humidity will do less to control the virus than getting out. Has he not seen that the spread is almost nil out in the heat and sun?
B) I don't want to save lives if the cost is tens of millions of people have to stay inside until the authorities (/s) tell them they can go outside.
I hope that the momentum continues until our petty little bossy-pants politicians cry uncle.
It was 80 today out on the trails. Blazing sun. 60% humidity. I snickered every time I passed someone and she turned her back to me as I trotted by. Don't walk up to me and try to give me nostril-to-nostril resuscitation, and I think you will be AOK, Karen.
And PS: I am climbing a 13% grade. Probably not suffering from the Chinese Lung AIDS. /rant
I have discovered that I belong to a political group - "the double haters".
Churchy LaFemme: said...
I have been one of the "Unknown"s posting here for some months now.
Welcome. Steer clear of Drago, and suppress your thoughts about Bob Dylan, and you will be fine.
To keep on keeping track, check out UChicago's Casey Mulligan at pandemiccosts.com.
Seeing your morning sunrise photos reminds me of when I lived in Washington State. During certain times of the year when I would be driving south into Seattle for work, there was one particular rise I would go over on I5 south of Lynnwood where I would see the sun shining on Mt. Rainier through my windshield and Mt. Baker in my rear view mirror. It was a beautiful sight.
And then with the windows open, you hear the birds start singing at 430 in the Summer.
Still, beats winter :)
It is really remarkable how quickly the days lengthen when you get above 45 degrees north latitude (halfway between the equator and the north pole, and cutting just below the US/Canadian border. If you look at Edmonton, Alberta at 53 degrees north latitude, the day is already almost 15 hours long- adding 3 hours in just 36 days.
For Stockholm, since we were discussing Sweden in a previous thread- they are even further north at 59 degrees north latitude, and the day is already 15 1/2 hours long, and by the Summer Solstice will be 18 1/2 hours long. If sunlight is a factor in COVID-19, it is likely that Sweden and most of northern Europe will have an edge, as will Canada.
Meanwhile Trump got the rest of the media to defend CNN. They HAD to protest when the WH tried to move CNN to the back. He ties them together.
Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.
I like my mask. It allows me to not shave and go out without people thinking I look like a hobo ... or any more like a hobo than I usually do.
Also, if I accidentally start talking to myself in public, people can't see my lips moving so they don't think I am crazy and move uneasily away from me ... at least not farther than the mandatory six feel of separation.
I would like to petition the governor to allow me to go on wearing my mask even after the health crisis is over, but by that time I will have grown a long beard and have had to shave it off, so the mask will be unnecessary.
Growing you first beard or mustache is a rite of passage, like your first car, your first drink, your first smoke, your first arrest, or your first ____ (assuming you had one of those).
It's still a sign of changing times,
But not in a good way.
When I look in the mirror,
All I see is white and gray.
Here in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, at only 36 degrees north latitude, our daylight maxes out at 14 1/2 hours at the solstice. Of course, we make up for it in intensity.
Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.
Aren't we all, though ...
I love the turtle logo, Churchy.
Sunflower is my favorite Beach Boys Album, Krazy Kat my favorite comic, all animated films are ephemeral, and all SF is too, except for a stray paragraph or characterization here or there (and no, Severian was not a good guy at all, but those who saw good in him were not mistaken, either).
Tom T. said...
Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.
Yet, he still managed to outsmart Trump.
Thanks, the logo is from the great Walt Kelly, of course.
I'm sorry but I must confess that I am the one responsible for the dreary weather in the Madison area this past week. The weather was so nice last week I contacted my insurance agent and had the insurance re-activated on my motorcycle which of course caused the cloudy rainy weather. Please accept my sincere apologies.
" Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
Tom T. said...
Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.
Yet, he still managed to outsmart Trump."
Wrong, as usual..... it's BIDEN who's the bald one. And Biden is also in a vegetative state. He's stupid as a turnip.
@Darkisland suggested Humboldt on Kindle for 2.99, but I'm not much for Kindle--my wife uses hers all the time but the only thing I've read on it is van Creveld's Hitler in Hell and that was short. I like books with pages when I can get them.
I see that my public library (open any week now) has the Wulf bio-- at two locations, that's how much culcha we got.
Among the treasured--but, so little known or used--holdings in my special collections department was a facsimile edition of the Humboldt-Bonpland expedition reports. Magnificent! The set was acquired back in the 1970s when even an ONSU like us could afford pricey facsimiles.
Narr
I miss them, more than I miss my former colleagues
So Edith Wilson is President of North Korea?
Anne-I-Am said...
BAG and h,
I am delighted to see normal people deciding how to phase in a return to a more normal state. The politicians like Newsom just get more and more controlling--why do we need to continue to flatten the curve? What is his purpose? No longer to spare hospitals, but to control who gets ill--and who dies. "You can save lives!" Bullshit.
A) Staying out of the sun, heat and humidity will do less to control the virus than getting out. Has he not seen that the spread is almost nil out in the heat and sun?
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TB sanatoriums were meant to provide sunshine and fresh air for convalescents.
My simple question : are CoVID19 patients getting any sunshine and fresh air or they bathing in their own miasma?
Do today's doctors know anything other than book learning and FDA?
“Wisconsin saw no increase in infection after the April 7 election.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-saw-no-coronavirus-infection-rate-spike-after-april-7-election-study-says”
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Forty people in Milwaukee County may have become infected with the coronavirus as a result of participating in Wisconsin elections on April 7.
Milwaukee Health Commissioner Jeanette Kowalik says data is still being analyzed to show the connection between more people that may have contracted COVID-19 due to election activities, like being a poll worker or voting in person, earlier this month. Kowalik hopes the data will be finalized by May 1.”
https://www.wuwm.com/post/40-coronavirus-cases-milwaukee-county-linked-wisconsin-election-health-official-says#stream/0
Who cares if there was a spike?
Inga- how many of those claimed to be infected were infected while voting? If you don't know, your point is absurd and meaningless.
“MILWAUKEE (AP) — Wisconsin health officials said Saturday that 331 tests for the coronavirus have come back positive in the last 24 hours, the largest single-day rise since the outbreak started. An additional four people have died.
The update raises the total number of positive cases to 5,687 and the statewide deaths to 266. State Department of Health Services data shows that 24 percent of infected people have been hospitalized.”
“Who cares if there was a spike?”
People who live in Wisconsin. It doesn’t matter if YOU don’t care.
“Tom T. said...
Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.
Yet, he still managed to outsmart Trump.”
Ha, good one.
“Several media now reporting that Kim Jong-Un is in a vegetative state.”
Karma, after what he did to Warmbier( and many others). His just rewards.
The headline on today's Journal Sentinel is "Confirmed Cases Rise With More Testing". Yes, it was the largest single day rise. It was also the larges single day of test results. And four deaths is on the downswing.
“The headline on today's Journal Sentinel is"Conformed Cases Rise With More Testing". Yes, it was the largest single day rise. It was also the larges single day of test results. And four deaths is on the downswing.”
Yes, but you want to see positive cases going down, not up.
Remember how I mentioned the "No Homers Club?"
Inga, if you increase the number of tests, you will increase the number of positives. Please tell us you understand that.
I was suggesting, not reminiscing.
Number of confirmed cases is almost useless as a metric until widespread testing is available. Number of hospitalizations and deaths is useful. The hospitals in Milwaukee County are nowhere near capacity. Aurora is dismantling its outside triage for covid because there is no need.
As for the rest of the hospital, doctors are getting furloughed. Two neighbors. both radiologists, were told to stay home for two weeks. I asked them how it feels to be nonessential.
State Department of Health Services data shows that 24 percent of infected people have been hospitalized.”
That is one of those statistics that is meaningless.
A telling statistic is what % have one, two or >2 co-morbidities
. That would expose the truth. The only mitigation needed is protecting the susceptible. Only IF reducing death is the goal. That is the goal right?
Original Mike: "Inga, if you increase the number of tests, you will increase the number of positives. Please tell us you understand that."
No, she really doesnt understand that.
At all.
Contest of obfuscation
https://mobile.twitter.com/indefchristians/status/1254123009587191809
Anne-I-am : “Who cares if there was a spike?”
The denialist faith, succinctly put.
24% of TESTED and INFECTED. Who knows how many people are infected, but not tested? Apparently, NONE of those people are hospitalized. Idjits.
Inga: "Karma, after what he did to Warmbier( and many others). His just rewards."
In the last 4 years the lefties/LLR-lefties have sided with the North Koreans, the mad mullahs of Iran and the ChiComs against the United States.
They even came to the defense of islamic supremacist mass murderer of American soldiers Soleimani.
Number of hospitalizations and deaths is useful.
Until they start adding in unconfirmed presumed/suspected/assumed deaths. And until hospitalizations remain for necessary cases and do not also include, given the surplus in beds, precautionary cases.
Inga said. .
Yes, but you want to see positive cases going down, not up.
Jesus F****in C - we want to see the PERCENTAGE of positive cases going down. The NUMBER will continue to rise.
She understands, she's just asshoe.
For Ann and the Madisonites:
David Burge ("IowaHawk") is a serious car fanatic who identifies cars from pictures sent to him on Twitter. Two recent ones were 1920s models at the bottom of Lake Mendota. Here's the first link. I'll send the second one shortly in a separate comment, so as not to risk triggering the spam filters. Hope this one comes through.
Who cares if hundreds of thousands of children die and millions more are shoved into life threatening abject poverty.
The alarmist faith.
And most certainly the Ch-anuck faith.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LOLNeverTweet
Ken B,
Yep, denialist all the way.
I deny that we can prevent people from getting infected with the Chinese Lung Pox on a meaningful scale.
I deny that it is imperative that we prevent infections.
I deny that the continued lockdown will achieve the non-achievable objective, and I deny that the non-achievable objective, which can't and won't be achieved by further asinine restrictions, is worth achieving, were it achievable, which it isn't.
I deny that a death from the Chinese Lung Scrapie is any more lamentable than a death by an other manner.
I deny that death from the Chinese Lung Scrapie is a reasonable fear for the vast majority of Americans.
Deny, deny, deny.
But you go on believing the impossible, Kenny-boy. As long as you stay inside and don't allow anyone in, you'll be safe.
"Advocate Aurora Health said it will close the overflow triage tents set up outside its emergency departments, based on projected COVID-19 patient volumes.
The health system in late March announced it would erect tents outside all of its hospitals in anticipation of a surge in patients with COVID-19 symptoms. The tents are designed to keep suspected COVID-19 patients separated from the main hospital while being screened, and to preserve personal protective equipment for hospital workers.
Advocate Aurora announced Wednesday the tents are no longer needed.
“We’re encouraged to see the curve is leveling, yet remain vigilant in our efforts to continue to stem the spread while adjusting our response tactics based on the evolving needs of the patients and communities we serve,” the health system said. “As such, we will be closing many of our ED surge tents based on current and projected surge volume.” "
https://biztimes.com/advocate-aurora-taking-down-overflow-triage-tents/
Sleepy Althouse.
"She understands, she's just asshoe."
I don't think so. The other day she was lamenting that the cumulative number of cases was "still" climbing, instead of decreasing.
They had this time:
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/04/25/politico-edits-false-story-claiming-trump-owes-millions-to-china/
Wisconsin and Chicago sunrise's are a bit jarring coming from west Michigan. 5 something AM is brutal. I traveled there and was always surprised.
Its quite telling, isnt it, that to date neither Inga or Ch-anuck have asserted NYC should shut down the subways or close Central Park or stop shoving infected elderly back into nursing homes.
Not a single complaint about any of those policy decisions.
But if protesters gather in WI those protesters are called murderers.
It appears Inga and Ch-anuck have quite the political agenda at work here.
Hmmm. The sunken car was the second tweet on that first link. But it did come through, so here's the second link. Again, for some reason, the second picture - probably because it's a reply to the one above it. So, were Madisonites in the '20s (1) such bad drivers that some of them ended up in the lake, or (2) were there no barriers between road and lake back then, or (3) were there oppressive disposal fees for old cars? I'm guessing mostly (1), reinforced by (2) - surely even a car that would never run again would be worth something to junkyards looking for parts to recycle.
Anne-I-am
What you really deny is the lives of anyone not like you are worth saving. That's why you don’t care if there is a spike or think that death from covid this year is any more lamentable than the same person dying twenty years hence.
“I deny that death from the Chinese Lung Scrapie is a reasonable fear for the vast majority of Americans.”
Never say never. Look at Little Kim. Some people are so arrogant that they temp fate.
Then there is this --
Top Virginia health official warns state lockdown could be 'two-year affair'
by Spencer Neale | April 25, 2020 12:44 PM
Virginians hoping for a quick restart of normal life may be in for a rude awakening after the top health official in Virginia said the state could be in lockdown for the next two years.
During a Friday afternoon briefing on the coronavirus response, Virginia Health Commissioner Norman Oliver said Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam's "Phase One" coronavirus response plan, which involves business closures and social distancing, could last for as long as two years.
“I, personally, think Phase One will be a two-year affair,” Oliver said. “There are a lot of people working on this, and I hope they prove me wrong, but I don’t see it happening in less than two years.” . . . Northam's "Phase One" plan requires "continued social distancing, continued teleworking [and] face coverings recommended in public."
Here are some gardening questions: Are there roses that just never bloom? Two years ago, I transplanted about 7 rose plants from a sunny garden area to an adjacent (but just as sunny) location. Four of the seven revived within year and flowered profusely. Three did not and yet they grew and grew canes w/o flowers. Not even aborted flowers. Already this season, the ones that flowed have already bloomed while the laggards just grow like crazy and don't show signs of blooming. I will give them a few more weeks, after which time I'm going to dig them up, butcher them and feed them to my compost. Any suggestions?
Second, I introduced a below ground compost pit next to a healthy Meyer lemon tree. This years, the fruit were marred by what looked like tiny zest sucking insects that burrow and cling. They never do penetrate the skin into pith. These were new this year. Did I introduce this pest with my compost -- which tends to attract insects.
Inga, I still have to ask. Did you mitigate to this level during any of the previous pandemics? If not, why not? What is it about this one that has you at such a high state of paranoia?
I'm pretty sure I know why.
Inga said...
“I deny that death from the Chinese Lung Scrapie is a reasonable fear for the vast majority of Americans.”
Never say never. Look at Little Kim. Some people are so arrogant that they temp fate.
Boris Johnson is perhaps a more relevant example. Remarkable ignorance of basic biology.
"I don’t see it happening in less than two years.”
“Anne-I-am
What you really deny is the lives of anyone not like you are worth saving. That's why you don’t care if there is a spike or think that death from covid this year is any more lamentable than the same person dying twenty years hence.”
Yes this is true. Yet she has the unmitigated gall to speak of God and belief in God. In her we see classic narcissism.
You've pruned the non-flowering plants?
ARM
You mistake basic ignorance for complete indifference. Anne does not CARE.
“Did you mitigate to this level during any of the previous pandemics?”
We have never seen Covid 19 before. I really don’t even know how else to explain it to you.
The arrogance of the alarmists is believing that we can prevent death.
Mark said...
You've pruned the non-flowering plants?
Every winter I take them all down to stumps.
"I don’t see it happening in less than two years.”
So, actually, that means this expert top advisor, upon whom our lives apparently now hang in the balance, is calling for being locked down for more than two years.
Hippocrates knew the first rule was to do no harm, thats a lesson that has been long forgotten.
Was reading about a 100-yr old man who died of the China virus, after losing his twin during the Spanish flu epidemic. I wonder which of those deaths is more relevant or tragic to the alarmists.
note the second part of his cv
Ken, her indifference is pathological.
TWO YEARS!
In a realm of outsized personalities such as the regulars here
What a fucking troll!!
ARM is reacting very poorly to the news the western world has had a Great Awakening to what his Beloved and Heroic Peoples Republic of China ChiComs have been up to.
As of yesterday, Sweden has expelled the last ChiCom directed Confucian Institute from its University campuses.
This is on top of the European Commission last week calling for a complete review of the EU-China relationship based on the ChiCom lies and hoax Generosity Campaign (all of which ARM spent months pushing at Althouse blog).
Not a good couple weeks for our very own Beijing Boy.
it isnt observed in other enterprises either.
Inga
And she's not actually the worst of them, as you know.
Their representative borell did his best larry miller impression from the pretty woman
That's it. Just ignore it.
Dr Weevil, about them sunken cars:
Most likely that ice played a central role. And probably some illicit booze. Like when the driver's confidence in the thickness of the ice to hold the weight of his car exceeded the reality. To quote Howard Cosell, "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!" It happens from time to time.
Meanwhile elrey replaced stargate with this substandard starhunter.
Ken B said...
Anne does not CARE.
I assume she lives in a region were the risk is low. She would quickly turn into a Karen in NYC.
Risk is very unevenly distributed across the country and between different groups, but I don't see anyone ignoring this. It does make deciding how to respond most efficiently to the virus a lot more complex.
Needless to say Sweden's decision to expel the last Confucian Institute as well as Sweden's refusal to lock down and making the Alarmist/Pro-Depression crew's predictions blow up further has now led to increased criticism of Sweden in conjunction with the continuing WHO attacks against Taiwan.
As of April 21 WI had conducted 51,000 tests over the last month.
Puppet Evers says the goal is to test 85,000 per WEEK.
What happens if we have a steady state 10,000 per week demand?
Wisconsin, closed for business!
Churchy LaFemme, I go Pogo. Remember this?
"When the sage is drying
In the old dry gulch,
Ah rustles mah saddle
Through the Oolagoolaa Fulch."
Does he have any relevant experience
Dr. Oliver has a long record of accomplishment, studying health inequities, particularly as it affects racial and ethnic minorities, has been the focus of his research. Most recently, his research interests lie in the area of improving our understanding of the role of racial discrimination, bias, and prejudice in establishing and maintaining these health inequities and the understanding of the interplay between race and socioeconomic position in these disparities.
Ken B,
Right. Sorry. Your "Selfish Murderess" card is no good here; you maxed it out a number of weeks ago.
Why don't you and the termagant mutually masturbate each other a bit more while crooning to one another of your exceptional humanity; it is rather amusing to watch.
Turning so-called empathy into a weapon is so 2019.
Flannery O'Connor - tenderness lead to the gas chambers. Little Kenny and his fishwife, read to load the boxcars.
Was reading about a 100-yr old man who died of the China virus, after losing his twin during the Spanish flu epidemic. I wonder which of those deaths is more relevant or tragic to the alarmists.
This never happened. Fucking troll can't do math!!
ARM, any updates on your informing your Taiwanese friend (wink wink) that you pushed ChiCom propaganda 24/7 on Althouse blog for several months straight?
I would be fascinated to hear your Taiwanese friend's (wink wink) response to that.
Thanks for starting a persona, Churchy.
I was a big Pogo fan back in the 60s..
So, commenter poll.
I. Stupid.
B. Not stupid, watches teevee.
3. Smart, just being asshoe.
Pathetic little ARM,
Snort. I live in NoCal. I work all over the state, including Santa Clara County. In hospitals. With people who fly back and forth to China all the time.
I have a functioning brain and can study information and draw conclusions without depending solely on a bunch of "experts" who couldn't "model" their way out of their bathrooms.
I am simply not any more afraid of this virus than I am of the flu. Especially because my BMI is 18, and I have no risk factors.
Life is full of suffering. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.
Yes, a Karen.
Anne-I-Am said...
I have no risk factors.
Other than age and stupidity.
As I pointed out last week, Azar is on his way out probably to be replaced by a poodle breeder--one step up.
The way cuomo mishandled the beginning of the crisis, then let thousands of patients 'die on the vine' unable to seek treatment from the hospital ships, even robin coom could scarcely come up with such a macabre scenario.
“ Yes, a Karen.”
And a liar. Who is flying back and forth to China “all the time” now? Or at all now. No one. And isn’t she lamenting not working? But suddenly she is traipsing form hospital to hospital.
If I had to bet I would guess ARM, when talking to his Taiwanese friend (wink wink), plays the big tough anti-ChiCom stud....while we here at Althouse have seen quite enough to know what ARM is really all about.
@Anne:
I am simply not any more afraid of this virus than I am of the flu. Especially because my BMI is 18, and I have no risk factors.
While I agree that it is rational to not be very concerned with getting it, do you have any concern about giving it?
“Yes, a Karen.”
And a toxic one at that. I’d wear a mask around that.
Another Inga/ARM thread,. G'night.
@Churchy LaFemme:
Welcome to the jungle. Grab a machete and start hacking.
@Mark (9:20), I read what Northam's Health Commissioner said in our local newspaper. The guy needs to put down the whoopee weed. In my county we have 93 cases, 11 hospitalized, zero deaths. That's z-e-r-o. If we're still under lockdown in November, I predict a rough time of it for Democrat candidates for the Senate and House of Representatives. If we're still under lockdown in November 2021 I predict a wipeout for Democrats running for the statehouse and House of Delegates.
Michael K: "Another Inga/ARM thread,. G'night."
Dont forget to include the 3rd lefty stooge, Ken B.
“And a toxic one at that. I’d wear a mask around that.”
It is actually disconcerting seeing someone say all of the following
1 I don’t care if there is an outbreak
2 I visit hospitals
3 I don’t see any particular reason to avoid getting the virus
Fortunately, I don’t believe point 2.
ARM,
How predictable of you to resort to ad hom. No way to argue intelligently. Because you cannot defend the fact that you and your cronies don't value any lives but your own. All of your sanctimonious posturing is because YOU are afraid. You are afraid, and so you want to control every one else. To protect YOU.
You and little Kenny and the harpy never address the concern that the lives lost to this insane shutdown will far, far outnumber the lives loves (many of them lives that would have ended in the very near future) from the Chinese Lung AIDS. You act as those lives are meaningless. Perhaps, because to you, they are. So long as you are safe, with your Social Security, and your pension, and your dividends.
You and little Kenny and the harridan live in elite America. Like the rest of the elites, your concern for life has a radius of one--yourself. The rest of us, even while we may live in prosperous, safe, America, know and love people who live in the America that is being shattered by your self-protectionism.
Suicides, death from other illness, despair, addiction, child abuse, domestic abuse, bankruptcies, marriages that won't happen, houses that won't be bought, lives that won't be fully lived. So YOU can be safe.
“Suicides, death from other illness, despair, addiction, child abuse, domestic abuse, bankruptcies, marriages that won't happen, houses that won't be bought, lives that won't be fully lived. So YOU can be safe.”
What hysteria.
a follow up to yesterdays suggestion
As I said seems like the deniers have lost their shit. Pull yourselves together for pity sake.
Churchy LaFemme, I go Pogo. Remember this?
"When the sage is drying
In the old dry gulch,
Ah rustles mah saddle
Through the Oolagoolaa Fulch."
I don't specifically recall that one, but Churchy was definitely the strip's poet.
Kellly had some of the strip's poetry set to music with uneven results, though I quite like Don't Sugar Me.
I don't think Albert ever did get to finish Moon Over Mamie in the strip though he started it several times:
“Oh Mamie minded Mammie
’til one day in Singapore
A sailor man from Turkistan
Came knocking at the door...
This is a hilarious blog some days
“ How predictable of you to resort to ad hom ... harpy ... harridan”
'In a time of deceit (where so much of the story is left out, covered with a pillow) to tell the simple truth, is a revolutionary act
“How predictable of you to resort to ad hom ... harpy ... harridan”
Yeah, I noticed, but it wasn't even worth responding to, she’s not dealing with a full deck.
The Virginia regime tried to walk back what its top health advisor said, but it does not negate what he said. His words are his own. And they tried to suggest that he meant that it would take two years to get a vaccine, but he clearly stated that Virginia would need to be in Phase One of the reopening plan for two years. Further, they repeated the call for two years of social distancing.
Oh, Kenny B,
I see that your reading comprehension is limited to the very simple and very literal. I did my job up until the shutdown on 3/17. Until that time, I did all the things I described. And the first death in SC County was beginning of February. Which is to say that all of this shutdown theater is putting a door on a barn that was burned down some time ago.
But as I noted with ARM, you people have no arguments. You can't stand that someone isn't cowering in fear the way you all are; you can't stand that someone reaches a conclusion with which you disagree. You can't stand that someone has values different from yours.
And you really can't stand that someone (I) have knowledge, education, training, and sources of information that you don't. So you insult (well, you think you do), and you call names, and you act like you are in middle school.
Make an argument. Muster facts--not models, not predictions, not speculation. Make your goal clear: fewer infections? Fewer deaths from infections? Make a coherent argument that continued shutdown will accomplish that--without continuing indefinitely.
Explain how we will avoid further infection unless we keep everyone locked down for the year or so it takes a vaccine to be developed. And the time it takes to get everyone vaccinated. Explain how those vulnerable to death from the virus, because of their health status, will be less vulnerable anytime soon.
Then explain why you think those relatively few people are worth more than the 329,900,000 people whose lives are being sacrificed for your preference.
Make the argument.
I am not going to respond to your insults. They are the sign of a weak mind.
And still the Obnoxious Two refuse to address the issue of the call for a two-year lockdown.
“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain
Demonstrated by "the Dancing Man"
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
Thanks for starting a persona, Churchy.
I was a big Pogo fan back in the 60s..
Thank *you* for hosting!
You may not be aware, but the strip is currently being reprinted in toto. There have been many false starts over the years, but this one looks like it will make it to the end. There are currently six volumes, all avalable through the portal, of course.
My personal opinion is that the strip peaked in the 50s, so if you have not seen those earlier strips, you may want to take a look.
See, Mark (not that Mark), Howard (not that Howard) shows you the way!
Blogger J. Farmer said...
@Churchy LaFemme:
Welcome to the jungle. Grab a machete and start hacking.
Oh, I've been here, but I'm losing the plausible deniability of "That was another 'Unknown'" now I suppose.
Hey! I made chocolate Ermine frosting today! Made cupcakes for my grandson’s 17th birthday tomorrow. I can’t go to his party with the immediate family, but my daughter came to pick up the cupcakes, his favorite. I left them outside on my patio table.
Leave. Leave now!
Ann Marie is trying to convince her family that city life is safe. She calls her parents and when Daddy wrangles a dinner invite that will include Aunt Harriet, Donald is overjoyed. Not.
Im glad the showtime free period is over, i imagine carrie with facepalm massively negating all the good she did the first three seasons.
How's this for Pandemonia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7eaGcIyhPU
Inga
I made mushroom risotto in the instant pot. Came out perfectly. Not making deserts, fat enough.
Mark Levin made a good point recently. I’m paraphrasing, and distorting a bit —Lefties freak out whenever the government is shut down for a short time, but want keep the economy, and the people, shut down until everyone stops dying. They seem to think the government is the lifeblood of this country, and everything else is secondary. That is hysterical.
Anne-I-Am said...
You are afraid, and so you want to control every one else.
I am not the slightest bit afraid. I have training in sterile technique and control entry to my place of work. For my narrow self-interest the negative effects on the economy are vastly more worrying than my very minimal health risk.
At least where I live the effects of social distancing on small businesses is very uneven. Contractors and gardeners are doing OK. Car and boat shops still getting stuff done. It is the businesses that rely on crowds that are taking a hit. A friend owns a cake shop, they can still sell their products but no one is having parties. This reflects a myriad of personal decisions, it has very little to do with the government. The other people taking a hit a families with young school age children. However, many, if not most, would keep their kids out of school out of self-interest, with or without a school shutdown.
You want to pretend that it is big government causing all the problems but they are just responding to people's legitimate health concerns. Cuomo doesn't want his tax base dissolving. It is not in his interest to keep a lid on things any longer than absolutely necessary.
People need to not give in to despair. This too shall pass. It won’t last forever. There was a vaccine that was developed for polio, there will be one for Covid too. Have some hope, have some faith in a higher power or even in your fellow man. Stop with the negativity.
Dinner is interrupted when Jerry Van Dyke is found standing on the building ledge and threatens to jump.
ARM
She is trying a Morton's Fork on you. Either you are afraid or you are not afraid because you are a rich elitist who has peons serve you.
Good drop the mike moment.
J Farmer,
You and I have discussed this before. Of course I don't want to infect people with anything. Coronavirus is no different.
However, i don't think we can reasonably pretend that we all have corona virus all the time. Infected a month ago, infected two weeks ago, infected now, infected a week from now....there is no endgame there, not in a reasonable timeframe. Vaccines are a maybe, and many, many months out. Antibody tests with acceptable sensitivity and selectivity are probably months out--especially at the scale we would need.
The fact is the ostensible goal was to prevent the health system from being overwhelmed. Not prevent any more infections. Not prevent deaths. The honest epidemiologists said from the beginning that the virus is going to move through the populace no matter what--and their concern was protecting the health care system. That has been accomplished--and in fact, we are losing ground because of the shutdown.
I am angry that the goalposts keep moving. And because the lives being destroyed because of that seem to count for nothing.
The vast majority of Americans are NOT at risk of death from this. So why should I be more concerned about passing the virus to a non-vulnerable person than I am about all the people vulnerable to poverty, despair, addiction, abuse, loneliness, and suicide?
I engaged in polemic with certain people on this blog because I am tired of their schtick. I have decided with assholes like that, just like with assholes who play the race card, that I will play along with the accusation. They're right. I am a racist. I think all black people should die. I am a murderess. I want all the old people to smother in lung pus.
I no longer give a shit about people like them, and I delight in baiting them.
“I made mushroom risotto in the instant pot. Came out perfectly. Not making deserts, fat enough.”
That sounds delicious! I was good I didn’t even eat one cupcake.
strange world indeed
What hysteria.
And then there's that guy.
I. Hates people who don't conform.
B. Related to either that Acosta fellow or the Cuomo family.
3. Paid professional.
Exactly what is the goal, what are the benchmarks to achieve it, using reasonable methods.
anti-de Sitter space said...
How's this for Pandemonia?
First, good to hear from you. Second, I generally view people with face tattoos as mentally deranged, but this was well put together.
Thats insane, and lowballing the number
“You want to pretend that it is big government causing all the problems but they are just responding to people's legitimate health concerns. Cuomo doesn't want his tax base dissolving. It is not in his interest to keep a lid on things any longer than absolutely necessary.”
Exactly.
It’s a sort of a fake remake of the Tea Party. They want to blame the government ( blame Mother Nature, that BITCH!) so badly that they completely deny that Covid is a legitimate risk to millions of people. Miss Annie doesn’t give a shit about that group of people and has pretty much said they should be sacrificed. That degree of lack of humanity isn’t normal.
A guy who specializes in racial health disparities and inequities should be especially sensitive to the effect that unemployment and poverty have on health and health outcomes and, consequently, the need for people to have jobs.
As long as absolutely necessary = until a Dem takes back the presidency
I'm out of here--J Farmer et al, I will check back periodically and reply to you.
narciso, thanks for the links.
Mark, glad to know the galactic struggle continues.
Char-Char, obvious things seen clearly.
Drago--don't let the turkeys get you down.
Bye Felicia!
Shorter Anne” “ I don't want to infect anyone ... however...why should I be more concerned about passing the virus ... “
Theres a six million dollar man episode with david mccalum fencing nuclear weapons to the highest bidder.
Ken B said...
She is trying a Morton's Fork on you. Either you are afraid or you are not afraid because you are a rich elitist who has peons serve you.
The people taking the biggest hit in my area are poorer people, hard to deny that. They have to work in jobs that are risky, they don't have the option of working from home, and they don't live the kind of atomized lifestyles that wealthier people live.
Do you remember The Invisible Man? It was on for about one season or so.
@Mark, if Governor Northam thinks I can go another twenty-two months without a haircut, he's just plain wrong.
Every winter I take them all down to stumps.
What type of rose bush? Shrub roses don't usually have to be pruned unless they're overgrown. Leave them alone and you might get flowers in late summer or next spring. Hybrid teas are the ones you prune in winter and deadhead.
If you can find some high phosphate (middle number), low nitrogen (first number) fertilizer like 0-46-0 or 4-24-24, use it instead of a balanced formula. Lawn fertilizer is high in nitrogen--do not use in the garden.
Inga: "It’s a sort of a fake remake of the Tea Party. They want to blame the government ( blame Mother Nature, that BITCH!)...."
Ah yes.
The lefties, still in Full Protect ChiComs mode.
All this time and Inga and ARM have yet to offer a single criticism of their ChiCom allies.
Nor will they ever. Inga would no more criticize the ChiComs then she would criticize islamic supremacist terrorists or MS13.
Not surprised Inga is totally ignoring my question.
KenB
You keep trying to get me to engage, but you refuse to present an argument. Are you just incapable of mounting one?
Address my questions:
The goal was to flatten the curve and protect the health system. That has been accomplished. We are in danger of losing capacity, because hospitals are losing so much revenue. What is your answer to that?
Why has the goal changed? What is the new goal? How long will we have to stay shut down if your new goal is no infections/no deaths?
Where is your concern for the people who will lose their lives because of the shutdown? For those that will suffer morbidity because of it? For the vulnerable who will be abused--whether children who will be abused by parents who are beyond their limits, for domestic partners beaten by ever-more-angry husband/wives/etc? For the businesses lost? For the goals that won't be realized, houses bought, children begat, etc, because people's lives are being irrevocably change?
Are you concerned for the debt that we are leaving our children and their children?
Are you concerned for the new therapies that will be delayed to market (cancer treatments, for example), because clinical research has been halted--for months, leading to far longer delays in drug applications?
What is the value you put on those lives? How does that value compare to the value you put on the far, far few lives that are truly at risk from this virus?
If you won't address these questions, these concerns, which are the concerns the rest of us have been discussing for weeks now, then you are simply stirring the pot for some reason known only to you.
Invisibility is an intriguing idea, but if your clothes are not also invisible, it is rather impractical.
Heyboom,
Ken B ignores questions. Inga ignores questions. ARM deflects and ignores.
We have all raised reasonable questions. I do not believe they have answers, which is why all they do is insult and name-call.
I admit I have thrown a few insults (sometimes I can't help but retaliate), but they are always accompanied by questions. Which go unaddressed. Things that make you go, hmmm.
Mark,
Well, does it matter if one is naked, if one is invisible? Unless it is cold and hypothermia is a concern.
In the 90s with vince ventresca i think so.
how soon they forget
The Audacity of Grope
@ARM,
Just in case you haven't already heard:
No, Trump did not put a Labradoodle breeder in charge of COVID-19 response
The pandemics bark, but the caravan moves on.
I guess they are keying off michael brown whi was a horse breeder and he was in charge of fema during katrina.
A lack of invisible clothes, including shoes, would reduce your spying/voyeurism activities to summer days and to places with smooth surfaces.
“...which is why all they do is insult and name-call.”
Like harpy or harridan?
Britt Eklund has a puffy face.
The hollow man and the latest film with block of wood elizabeth moss suggest the effects of being dissociated from a physical form would drive someone sociopathic
Anne-I-Am said...
I'm out of here
Fake News.
The Invisible Naked Man vs The Knifeketeer..
“Anne-I-Am said...
I'm out of here
Fake News.”
Too good to be true.
Anne
Your questions are put in bad faith but I will answer one.
“ The goal was to flatten the curve and protect the health system. That has been accomplished. We are in danger of losing capacity, because hospitals are losing so much revenue. What is your answer to that?”
That was the main, and most urgent, goal. It was not the only one. I agree that it has been achieved. That is why I supported Trump's re opening plan, which calls for re opening hospitals and many other businesses, as long as testing is used to ensure safety. That can be done in places and is being done, and is planned to happen within a week in more places. It is happening here. I also support subventions to businesses unable to operate due to restrictions. This includes hospitals.
I have said all this before, more than once, which is how I know your question was posed in bad faith.
heyboom said...
Labradoodle breeder
Personally, given the choice of an RNC hack or a Labradoodle breeder being in charge of the COVID-19 response, I would prefer the Labradoodle breeder. At least they would have some basic understanding of biology.
Mark,
Not so. Depending on one's hardiness, one could invisibly and clotheslessly surveil in weather well down into the 50s. And inside? All bets are off. And I can walk barefoot on city streets and pea gravel. So. Clearly, if one had the gift of invisibility, one would take measures to increase one's versatility.
I think a bigger problem would be still having mass.
they had a cholera outbreak in city hall last year
Remember, dearest readers, that none of the Leftist Collectivists have criticized NYC leaving Central Park open.
Or subways.
Or New York ordering the return of diagnosed Winnie Xi Flu patients to nursing homes.
Not once.
Yes they would displace mass they would leave tell tale prints on the side walk.
By the way, here is a link to a story about Aytu BioScience's Healight that Inga and ARM and Howard claim doesn't exist:
"Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment"
"ENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 / Aytu BioScience, Inc. (NASDAQ:AYTU) (the “Company”), a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize the Healight Platform Technology (“Healight”). This medical device technology platform, discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, is being studied as a potential first-in-class treatment for coronavirus and other respiratory infections."
In even worse news for Inga and ARM and Howard who claim this doesn't exist:
"The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus."
In even worse news for Inga and ARM and Ken B, here is the link to the study being conducted as we speak for Oral Chlorine Dioxide (a potential treatment our "elite" lefty commenters also claim does not exist):
"Determination of the Effectiveness of Oral Chlorine Dioxide in the Treatment of COVID 19"
Meanwhile, in addition to pretending these things don't exist, ARM and Inga and pals DO believe this latest hoax is real: Trump owes money to ChiCom banks
Discuss.
@ARM, your comment at 10:11 actually makes sense. It would be nice if you made a habit of that.
They said was mccallum but eric braeden was also in this one.
Another wells notion, time travel didnt account for the space displacement in three dimensions
How magnanimous to allow hospitals to re-open after several are already in BK.
No Ken, it wasn't posed in bad faith. I had forgotten you said that. And you did say it--but then you seem to throw it out the window with subsequent comments.
And what about the other issues? What about the fact that testing a person only speaks to their current status? Not whether they HAD the disease or WILL HAVE the disease.
And what about the fact that the vast majority of people aren't at risk? It seems like at least half the deaths have been in assisted living facilities. How in the hell does closing beaches and churches protect those in LTC? (Long-term care).
Why isn't it a better idea to try to get as many healthy people infected and well as possible in order to reduce the risk to the vulnerable (while of course continuing extreme precautions for them?)
And what about the price those very vulnerable people are paying? My mom is demented and in a "Memory Care" unit. My dad until recently lived in the "Independent Living" section of the same facility. Now, she is literally locked in her room 24/7. A staff person visits her for 20 minutes a day. We FaceTime her. She is deteriorating rapidly. She cries. She doesn't know where she is. She thinks my dad has abandoned her. We are afraid that by the time things open up, she will have completely lost touch with reality (up to now, she has known who everyone is, where my dad is, where she is, for the most part).
My dad, with Parkinson's, is now living with my sister, because he was going to be locked down. And he is confused. He misses my mom. He has cognitive decline and can't remember why he isn't able to visit Mom.
What about the harm being done to them and others like them?
I admit that THAT is a very, very difficult question, with no good answer. But it is still a question.
How much better would it be if the majority of healthy people gained immunity?
Well you have to break some eggs like a vertain former georgian seminarian noted once.
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