This is more effective than any ad any pro-life group could run.— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) February 8, 2020
I was pro-choice for decades.
Then the “shout your abortion” movement happened, and I realized this was a form of human sacrifice that would make the Aztecs envious. https://t.co/jdUWTg6iFw
... watch the video before seeing what I thought...
... I saw it as anti-abortion.
UPDATE: The short TikTok video that was embedded in this tweet no longer displays. Did the TikTok or the person who put up the video take it down? Why? I suspect that the person who made the video didn't expect to get so much attention and wasn't comfortable with it. I didn't think it was a person actually getting an abortion and smiling in the end. I thought it was a comedy sketch, making fun of parents revealing the gender of the unborn. In the video, the woman acts like she's going to reveal the baby's sex — I'm saying "sex" because how is it "gender"? — and the text says something like "It's a" and a paper is opened up to say "borted" — It's a/borted. I don't know if the person who made the video intended for it to be in the #ShoutYourAbortion genre. The reason I thought it felt anti-abortion — rather than #ShoutYourAbortion (that is, pro-abortion) — is that laughing at abortion feels cruel. The pro-abortion position should focus on the woman and her autonomy, not on the unborn whose life is lost.
UPDATE 2: I see now that the person who made the video has set her TikTok account to private.
पोस्ट्स
१५० टिप्पण्या:
Of course you did. You didn’t *like* it.
It could very well be anti-abortion. It’s stupid. What young woman would film herself having an abortion, joking about it and doing a gender reveal, holding up a sign that it was aborted? That was supposed to be funny and promote a pro choice stance...huh? That certainly isn’t pro choice. I doubt many pro choice people would want to be associated with such dreck.
Moloch says, you should Always abort your 1st child; it is an offering to his satanic majesty
Moloch has provided pleasure to you for Years; The Least you can do, is murder a few children for him
Inga misses the point. The topic under discussion is those misguided souls who say “shout your abortion”. These people, who are real and an example of which you just watched, think having an abortion is an act of empowerment and defiance which should be *celebrated*, and rubbed in the faces of disapproving squares.
Hmm, a sex reveal.
Yeah, reproductive or human sacrificial rites. Celebrate Pro-Choice/selective-child. As for TikTok, selective-child is an inconvenient reminder of the communist legacy of one-child and other wicked solutions.
"I saw it as anti-abortion."
So did I.
Question: do you still think abortion has anything to do with women doing morality?
(No, I'm not asking what that has to do with the Constitution.)
“The topic under discussion is those misguided souls who say “shout your abortion”.”
No, the topic under discussion is abortion, misreadings and TikTok. You fall under the misreading tag. Althouse is probably correct.
It’s an anti abortion ad.
I can't believe this is not an anti-abortion message.
It's both a sacrament and a holy obligation. So we shouldn't overpopulated, dontcha know.
"What young woman would film herself having an abortion, joking about it and doing a gender reveal, holding up a sign that it was aborted?"
Here's the Wikipedia article on ShoutYourAbortion which the embedded tweet mentions.
Pardon the autocorrect 'd.'
“Here's the Wikipedia article on ShoutYourAbortion which the embedded tweet mentions.”
Yes, I’ve seen them, I’m not saying they don’t exist. I’m saying “what kind of woman” in a derogatory sense.
It really says something that we can't be sure if it's pro- or anti-
Maybe it's something else, like a prankster trying to toy with the ideologues on both sides.
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. --Phil. 3:19
Moloch says, you should Always abort your 1st child
Moloch? Maybe. Appeasement of mortal gods, certainly. A Twilight faith, secular religion, social progress, social justice, exoneration, and clinical purposes. A carbon credit sold to feminine females in the pursuit of wealth, pleasure, leisure, and narcissism. To Feminist males who don't want to suffer the burden of responsibility. And to a Party that wants to keep women taxable, available, and leveraged. The first choice, the second choice, the third choice, the fourth choice. Pro-Choice... wicked.
It speaks volumes that we are undecided whether this is legit or a satire of the Modest Proposal genre.
Althouse beat me to it.
If this is a pro-human rights message, a reverse psychology trick, there was no planned child, and no human life was tortured, sacrificed, and/or cannibalized, then all the better. A century of normalized exoneration of life deemed unworthy of life is a century too long.
actually, this is a real thing -
sometimes a mom or a dad gets drunk and gets in that mean drunk mode and gets annoyed at one of their kids for some bogus reason and then screams at one of their kids and tells them
"they told me to abort you and maybe they were right" (the mom) or "get out of my house you are no child of mine" (the dad)
or some similar phrasing.
we all know this happens.
if you think it does not happen then you believe in unicorns and all that sort of thing.
There are a lot of very selfish people in this world who do not even have enough love in their heart for their own children.
It's amazing that non-consensual male genital mutilation has long been celebrated while the woman's choice to eliminate an invasive, life and health threatening growth should be opposed.
I'm only a man, but I warn anyone who values his life not to interfere with my choice to have a cancerous growth removed.
In Japan there is little theft because the Japanese believe it is not fitting for one human to steal from another.
Maybe only the gender reveal has been interborted?
I stopped supporting Planned Parenthood when they went political and started handing out "I had an abortion" T-shirts. Used to be they provided medical services to (mostly) young women without much money. I knew many such and could support that.
wow lost a lot of respect for little Cernovich. He was pro-choice that long? what a retard.
This is mainstream democrat party line:
#ShoutYourAbortion is a social media campaign where people share their abortion experiences online without “sadness, shame or regret” for the purpose of “destigmatization, normalization, and putting an end to shame." Tens of thousands of people worldwide have shared their abortion experiences online using the hashtag #ShoutYourAbortion. The Shout Your Abortion campaign was started on September 19, 2015, by American activists Lindy West, Amelia Bonow, and Kimberly Morrison, in response to efforts by the United States House of Representatives to defund Planned Parenthood following the Planned Parenthood 2015 undercover videos controversy. The hashtag has received both positive and negative attention within social media and the mainstream media.
He is right this is a great ad for the pro-life movement. I'm sure there were a lot of people like me who were torn because they knew that baby was life but they understood and sympathized the desperation of women. Those days are over. These women are careless and insouciant and if we included the number of babies aborted into the National lifespan averages I think it would bring it down to around 30
jimbino said...
It's amazing that non-consensual male genital mutilation has long been celebrated while the woman's choice to eliminate an invasive, life and health threatening growth should be opposed.
I'm only a man, but I warn anyone who values his life not to interfere with my choice to have a cancerous growth removed.
Just putting this here before it gets deleted.
"But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old," he added.
"I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby,"
-Barrack Obama
Democrats are just terrible people.
You can go to the person's TikTok page. Doesn't seem pro or anti based on the other video. Young person trying to be funny.
The Shout Your Abortion media campaign made many many Democrats uncomfortable. While we Democrats are pro choice, many are not pro abortion. It should not be shouted or be proud of and a woman aborting her child should feel guilt. I wouldn’t ever have an abortion and I would support anyone I knew to not abort, but to carry the child instead. However to make abortion illegal is not an option if you want to give a woman the right to her own bodily autonomy. Who here would force a woman to carry for 9 months? How would you do it? The pregnancy police?
In a recent preliminary hearing in the court case against the Center for Medical Progress, a Planned Parenthood official admitted to harvesting aborted fetal parts for the purpose of selling them to human tissue procurement companies.
Planned Parenthood is a democrat slush fund laundering our tax payer dollars back to democrats and it is run by ghouls.
“Democrats are just terrible people.”
I recall Achilles having arguments with anti abortion commenters here on these threads. He was proudly pro choice for most of his commenting years here. Now he wants to say Democrats are terrrrrrible people for holding the same view on pro choice as he did/ does? Huh, hypocritical much?
Achilles, nothing here gets 'deleted', to tell the truth. everyone who posts here can just click on the tab that lets them opt in for "e-mail me further comments". All those people get every comment as soon as it is posted.
that is the easy way to do it.
Blogger is a decade plus old forum and there are other, slightly less easy, ways to do it, as there always are on older platforms.
In a hundred years, what is going to happen is this - nothing that was embarrassing and posted online can be proved because the next generation internet is going to be flooded with fakes and the defense of 'that was a fake' is going to be so so easy.
(for the record, i actually believed Bill Clinton when he said he did not inhale - he is just the sort of guy to do that).
Remember that time the Rhode Island version of a Kennedy congress-critter showed up drunk at 3AM at our hallowed Congressional building, when nobody else was around, and when the cops tried to arrest him for drunk in public he said "BUT I AM SHOWING UP FOR A CONGRESSIONAL VOTE" and they had to not only let him go but find him a taxi driver to take him home. Of course there was no Congressional voting going on at the time ....
I don't know the intention of the people who made the video, but it's effectively anti-abortion.
Inga and her Dem hags just love murdering innocent life in the womb but thrill at importing replacement voters!
Inga said...
“Democrats are just terrible people.”
I recall Achilles having arguments with anti abortion commenters here on these threads. He was proudly pro choice for most of his commenting years here. Now he wants to say Democrats are terrrrrrible people for holding the same view on pro choice as he did/ does? Huh, hypocritical much?
I don't believe the federal government has the power to make that intrusion into someone else's life. The constitution mentions abortion mentions abortion exactly twice:
9: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Planned Parenthood is run by ghouls.
The democrats are not pro choice. They are pro-infanticide.
At some point the baby inside the women must be protected. I prefer the federal government only step in when states make no attempt to be a part of humanity. Places like New York for example where democrats cheered passing the legalization of 4th term abortion.
But I know you are too stupid to remember the details of someone's position before you use big words like hypocrite.
You are just a terrible person.
stephen cooper said...
Achilles, nothing here gets 'deleted', to tell the truth. everyone who posts here can just click on the tab that lets them opt in for "e-mail me further comments". All those people get every comment as soon as it is posted.
I am not one of those people.
And I am just repeating the words that come out of their mouths.
Really that is all you have to do with the democrat ghouls. The girl who made this post is absolutely mainstream in their party and is exactly the type of person they are.
She was just dumb enough to post in public.
So many times the mask slips and yet you people let them pretend otherwise.
Check out "One Child Nation" on Amazon. It's a truly harrowing documentary about China's abortion policies. Nightmarish. Women tied down and forced to have abortions. Female babies left by the side of the road because the parents wanted to try again for a boy....The filmmaker is a Chinese born woman whose family had moved to America when she was young. She implicates several of her family members in China in these practices, including abandoning a newborn infant. The filmmaker takes time to comment on the importance of not allowing any abortion restrictions in the United States. WTF.
“Really that is all you have to do with the democrat ghouls. The girl who made this post is absolutely mainstream in their party and is exactly the type of person they are.”
And that, coming feom the guy who advertises on these threads how he wants to get his military veteran buddies together to do some wet work on liberals and someone who advocates burning down DC and someone who keeps yelling “Fuck it, war!” The tough guy who calls people “Stalinists” and “baaaaad, terrible people”, the pot calling the kettle black. So much of that going around.
“You are just a terrible person.”
No. I am a far far better person than you.
Inga said...
“Really that is all you have to do with the democrat ghouls. The girl who made this post is absolutely mainstream in their party and is exactly the type of person they are.”
And that, coming feom the guy who advertises on these threads how he wants to get his military veteran buddies together to do some wet work on liberals and someone who advocates burning down DC and someone who keeps yelling “Fuck it, war!” The tough guy who calls people “Stalinists” and “baaaaad, terrible people”, the pot calling the kettle black. So much of that going around.
You support infanticide.
You support spying on political opponents.
You support open borders.
You support free health care for illegal immigrants paid for by me.
You support racism.
You support taking our guns.
So yeah. Fuck you.
War.
I will never respect or serve a government run by democrats or their GOPe allies. There are millions of us. Deal with it traitor.
You are a terrible person.
Serious Question
other than to be Bragging about Aborting their children...
WHAT SORT OF TRANSPHOBIC FREAK, would be SO HIDEOUS, as to have a "gender reveal" party?
WHAT THE HELL BUSINESS, is it of the "parents" as to what gender their "child" eventually chooses?
ANYONE, with the GODDAMNED GALL, to think that; not only could they "know" a person's gender;
But, ACTUALLY be SO DISGUSTING, as to Celebrate their artificial gender assignment...
Should be taken out, and SHOT; in a clean, green way
This message brought to you by today's Democrat Party
I'm tepidly in favor of first term abortions. I'm vehemently opposed to abortions involving a viable foetus. Doesn't a viable foetus resemble a baby in many way?....What I'm also in favor of is people who oppose abortion and let the world know about their opposition. The slippery slopes don't always end in Dachau. Sometimes they end in babies being abandoned by the side of the road in China.....I just wish the pro-choice people would acknowledge that eugenics has led to some horrible crimes.
Inga said...
The Shout Your Abortion media campaign made many many Democrats uncomfortable."
Who cares how you feel about it? The truth is you support a party which supports abortion through the third trimester and (per the Governor of Virginia) even after birth.
Nobody gives a shit if it makes you feel uncomfortable, sad, happy or whatever.
You support infant murder.
Inga and her Dem hags are the true successors to the Third Reich - they would fit right in with Uncle Adolph!
No. I am a far far better person than you.
2/8/20, 5:19 PM
The really good people I have known in my life never went around trumpeting how good they were.
Achilles - I am pro-life, but I have friends who are pro-choice.
That is difficult for me.
If Death were a person, Death would be afraid of me, because I am alive, and I will always be, and because God loves me. And trust me, Death is a lot more afraid of those innocents who are killed every day at Planned Parenthood clinics than Death is afraid of me.
Most people reading this do not believe that Satan is real, but Satan is real, and Satan, our poor little disgusting sinful brother, who needs our prayers, is not afraid of me, but he should be, because God loves me. And God loves those innocent victims of stupid young women who are in their victimzed way scraped out of the womb before their first chance at smiling, in that innocent way babies have , of smiling at their mother, at the mother they wanted SO MUCH to love .... God loves those holy innocent babies MUCH MUCH MUCH more than God loves me, a poor sinner.
If you know how to offer up to God effective prayer on behalf of the unloved, please do so.
If you do not know how, well, try harder.
No. I am a far far better person than you.
Said the Pharisee to the Publican.
We're definitely watching two different movies in the country. I think Althouse got right when she suggested it is a prankster toying with the ideas of both sides.
“The really good people I have known in my life never went around trumpeting how good they were.”
The really good people don’t need to stand by and listen to someone like Achilles calling them baaaaaad terrible people every five minutes. It’s a counter to Achilles weird extremism calling every Democrat or liberal a bad terrible person ...but if you’re a normal human being you would know that.
Next stop: shouting out your abortion after delivering a live baby. Petey has no problem with this.
There are a lot of very selfish people in this world who do not even have enough love in their heart for their own children.
People... persons make other choices including elective homicide (other than selective-child), rape or rape-rape, pedophilia, etc. We can't stop or prevent one or any, really, they are natural rights; but, rather react and mitigate their progress. The issue is normalization or promotion of transhuman orientations and behaviors. The wicked solution qualifies as both.
Some will see it as anti-abortion? Maybe. I see it as disgustingly vile and evil. I suppose if you are on the fence it could influence you to a pro-choice position. But i think if one thinks it is funny or cute...they are soulless.
Via Insty: Conflict at home, lack of supervision linked with suicidal thoughts among children
Sad!
I'm sure there were Germans who voted for Hitler in 1933 who felt very, very uncomfortable with the Nazi Party's Jew-baiting. But not enough to, you know, vote for someone else. Sure that anti-Semitism stuff was sort of nasty, but look at all the other good things Hitler was promising to do!
And I'm sure those people also thought they were very, very good people - in fact, better than most!
I saw this TikTok earlier today on Twitter promoted by someone who wasn't part of a pro-life group. You might be able to argue that the original TikTok was anti abortion, but the comments on the post I saw were pretty laudatory on her right to choose.
Yes, there are some people who love abortion that much.
stephen cooper said...
In Japan there is little theft because the Japanese believe it is not fitting for one human to steal from another.
In Japan, many many decades ago, there were soldiers who would travel to China and rape women and children and bayonet babies. They thought it was fitting.
THEOLDMAN
Then there was this little thing called the Bataan March.
This reminds me of narratives lurking beneath the surface in "Dirty Dancing" and other transhumanist productions designed to normalize the wicked solution. Past one month following conception, there is a milestone marking the evolution of the nervous system, and the presumptive seat of human consciousness. Perhaps we can mitigate progress by constraining the Chamber to carrying out social justice in the first tri-trimester. Feminist females, and their feminist males, will, of course, still have a fifth choice, pro-choice, to a natural rite for reasons other than self-defense, but it will not be normalized, and, in fact, it will be discouraged, with an emphasis on the first four choices.
Top comment has 3.2K likes which reads, "To all the people boohooing abt this how about you go and cry about the already born children who are abandoned or orphaned and/or wasting away in fostercare where, sadly, a lot of kids gets abused, neglected or both."
Yep. There are people out there who think this was ok.
" Who here would force a woman to carry for 9 months"
I think not many. I would be OK with forcing a woman to make a decision before we have a developed fetus, just like I assume you are willing to force a woman to decide before her child is born, or 5 years old, or some other arbitrary point. We are only arguing about when we feel the child is developed enough to care about it's very life over the personal preference of the mother.
I took it as a jab at gender reveals.
"Who here would force a woman to carry for 9 months? How would you do it? The pregnancy police?"
Well, the way they used to do it was by threatening doctors with prison if they performed abortions. I think that would still work.
Of course, back then, having a baby "out of wedlock" was a very big deal, and the young woman was said to be "ruined". These days, she was more likely "ruined" at the time she got pregnant. Is it such a big deal to wait around nine months and then let someone adopt your baby?
Is this new? It sounds strangely familiar. Or was something very like this discussed here some time ago?
That is a powerful ad because it focuses on the moment the young people first deal with the person inside the young woman. What will the new person be? How will we care for this new person? That is a profound test of our humanity.
Bingo we killed the innocent person so we can party hearty as children ourselves. Hmmm?
"To all the people boohooing abt this how about you go and cry about the already born children who are abandoned or orphaned and/or wasting away in foster care where, sadly, a lot of kids gets abused, neglected or both."
Can't we just kill them? We could ask them if they would prefer to be dead, but that may not accomplish much.
Marcus - my mother's only brother survived the Bataan death march.
I was her favorite son, and I was one of his favorite nephews.
You don't need to lecture me about Japanese war crimes.
Like I said, in Japan there is little theft because Japanese people consider people who steal to be shamefully selfish.
Every country is full of people who do evil things, sometimes in ways that are specific to their country.
We need to see the good in foreigners, even when we know there is much bad in their culture.
And don't ever fucking presume to lecture me again on the Bataan death march.
Trust me on that.
You have achieved what no other commenter on this website has ever come close to achieving, you have made me come close to despising you.
Jesus, I'm actually acting as if Igna were a rational human being you could persuade with logic. Sorry, I got carried away, thinking about some of the young women I talked into getting abortions.
On a lighter note, I just got an e-mail from Donald Trump, with the subject line;
"Let's give Chuck something to cry about"
"To all the people boohooing abt this how about you go and cry about the already born children who are abandoned or orphaned and/or wasting away in fostercare where, sadly, a lot of kids gets abused, neglected or both."
A strawman argument and strawclown apology frequently paraded to deny criticism of the Chamber, Pro-Choice religion, and Wicked Solution. #HateLovesAbortion
I'm not responsible for your feelings. Be an adult. You chose to hold Japan up as if it were a perfect nation. For what reason? It's not. Nor is the USA. You don't hold special privilege when you post crap.
THEOLDMAN
As to the girls, I think they're mostly just goofing on the gender reveal phenomenon, with the word play "It's a ... bort." And their teachers would be very proud of them, for seeing the humor in abortion. Now, young ladies, let's see you put a condom on a banana!.
That is a powerful ad because it focuses on the moment the young people first deal with the person inside the young woman.
You're right, it's a teachable moment, when we first realize the nature of our being, embrace personal responsibility, and strive to reconcile.
Marcus you are an idiot.
I said, you cretin, that one aspect of Japanese culture is based on their feeling - a feeling not shared by most nations - that thieves are in a way not a part of the community. That comment was true, and I was not holding up Japan as a perfect nation, you fucking moron.
Look, you are not responsible for your stupidity, but you are wrong.
You don't see the smile on her face, Professor Althouse?
She's a sick, twisted, individual who's celebrating the fact that she just murdered her baby
Sadly, I think Greg is right.
The weirdest NY Times column I ever read was by a guy about the abortion his girlfriend was having.
It was all about the dinner they had the night before the big event.
She said she would not have wine with dinner because IT MIGHT HURT THE BABY. It was beyond bizarre.
Achilles weird extremism calling every Democrat or liberal a bad terrible person ...but if you’re a normal human being you would know that.
I agree completely. Every Democrat is a bad terrible person. Except a couple of my kids and they are just uniformed.
In a normal world of maybe 20 years ago, Althouse, I would have thought the same as you and I would defended it against naysayers until someone showed me indisputable evidence that the young lady wasn't doing parody. That was still my first thought on watching the video, but I have learned that my sense for what is satirical is less and less accurate the more insane social media gets.
I will now read the comment to see if anyone can conclusively demonstrate this was parody and not a grotesque pro-abortion video.
And I see no one has proof this was an anti-abortion satirical take down. Nothing wrong with the lack of proof- as I wrote earlier today, good satire should leave you in doubt.
“I agree completely. Every Democrat is a bad terrible person. Except a couple of my kids and they are just uniformed.”
You raised them, it’s on you. Why didn’t you inform them?
“You support infant murder.”
I’ve said many times on these comments threads that I would support a 20 week limit to abortion. Althouse and others here are pro choice and have expressed very similar ideas about abortion to my own. So anyone who is pro choice supports infant murder? Althouse has voted for Democrats and even voted for Hillary in 2016. Does that put her in the pro infanticide group? Maybe you should stop trying to compete with Achilles for the most extreme right wing weirdo of the Althouse blog.
stephen cooper said...
Marcus - my mother's only brother survived the Bataan death march.
Did he work shop 51 at the shipyard? If so, small world..
off topic, but ANDY WILLIAMS, IN 1970, released a single that I have never heard until today,called "It's so easy", and it was probably one of the best popular songs of 1970.
Sort of like George Harrison's contemporaneous and wonderful "here comes the sun" but with a little more romance and a little more style in the chord changes and in the vocals
Looks like the video has been removed, it no longer shows up in the links.
"I’ve said many times on these comments threads that I would support a 20 week limit to abortion."
But no Dem politician agrees with that. At the SOTU, Trump asked for a bill banning late term abortions. Not one Dem applauded.
You'll vote for them anyway - so it doesn't matter one bit how you feel about it. Actions matter, not feelings.
"Althouse has voted for Democrats and even voted for Hillary in 2016."
And I disagree with her about that, as do many of her commentators. She is still gracious and fair-minded enough to let us comment here.
Fullmoon - he signed up for the Wisconsin National Guard in 1940, he was the senior supply NCO when the Japs overwhelmed their base. He - being a supply NCO - did not even get the chance to shoot at the vicious disgusting bastards before they imprisoned him.
I feel so so humble when I think of what he suffered and overcame in order to be the man who, although he has now passed away, is fondly remembered by so many grandchildren, I could not have survived what he survived for day and he survived for years, because of the goodness in his heart and his hopes for the future.
Walter Wood was his name, if you want to look it up. He was a true hero.
I could not have survived what he survived for a day, and he survived for years, because of the goodness in his heart and his hopes for the future.
His grandkids are all wonderful people, by the way.
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"....is part of the constitution. The "life" part would seem to me to be against deliberately doing away with a "life".
And don't tell me an unborn child is not a life. I've birthed two and attended two others (my first grandson and my nephew). Just because they have not been born yet does not make them not a "life". As I look at my 5 beautiful grandchildren, I cringe at the fact that either one of them could have been killed before I even met them. Luckily, my son and his wife are pro-life.
The bort account now has a post stating "me trying to enjoy my saturday while everyone is brawling in my comments over my fake abortion.I was just rily constipated so the only thing to mourn is the shite that has been in my stomach since last friday and wouldnt come out.pls stop yelling at me."
She apparently just has a sick sense of humor, thought she was being funny and was shocked to find how seriously people take the issue. Guess everyone was wrong - she doesn't sound like she was trying to push either issue of the abortion debate. just proving she has an odd and ugly sense of humor.
stephen cooper said...
Fullmoon - he signed up for the Wisconsin National Guard in 1940,
I worked with a survivor. I was too young to appreciate. Different guy.
link to her current twitter/tiktok post
https://twitter.com/pxdmesanakin/status/1226309951934492673
Biologists overwhelmingly regard human life beginning at conception. I for one would not want the memory of killing my child to follow me through life. I'd expect the suicide rate of those who killed their flesh and blood is off the charts. That's why they don't gather the stats. Those that do kill their children, well... there's a name for that.
Those who labor in that field, they'd drop the Zyklon B down the tube in a... heh, heh,
heartbeat.
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"....is part of the constitution. The "life" part would seem to me to be against deliberately doing away with a "life".
“And don't tell me an unborn child is not a life. I've birthed two and attended two others (my first grandson and my nephew). Just because they have not been born yet does not make them not a "life". As I look at my 5 beautiful grandchildren, I cringe at the fact that either one of them could have been killed before I even met them. Luckily, my son and his wife are pro-life.”
So who is telling you it’s not a life? Many Democrats and liberals acknowledge its a life, as I did up thread. I’ve birthed 4, had no abortions or was even tempted to have any and have 5 grandchildren and am grateful my daughters chose to give birth, yet are pro choice. The two little guys in my avatar are my two youngest grandsons, the sons of my liberal daughter.
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"....is part of the constitution. The "life" part would seem to me to be against deliberately doing away with a "life".
Except someone committing aggravated first degree murder, who has forfeited the right to both life and liberty. And most likely to the pursuit of happiness, as well.
She tweeted out that tiktok multiple times throughout the day. She gave out the link to her Instagram. She was enjoying the attention until she wasn't. My guess? Her parents found out. I also enjoy how she is pretending she's not the person on the tiktok. That is obviously a lie. Or the person who tweets from that account looks almost exactly like the girl in the tiktok.
Parents, monitor your kids' social media accounts.
Fullmoon -
after surviving all that he survived, my uncle reenlisted in 1951 and was on his way to fight in Korea when a bureaucrat saw that he was a Bataan survivor and cabled the Army Department to get him off the boat that was on the way to Korea.
a much much tougher guy than me.
Inga, those grandchildren are only alive because they were conceived at a convenient time and their mothers decided that they could live. Had they been conceived at a different time, they would have ended up in a trash bin - with your blessing.
But personhood is not dependent on someone else. A human is not worthless because he or she is not wanted at the moment.
In other words, it's not about your damn feelings or wishes, although you seem to think your feelings are all-important.
stephen cooper,
Walter Wood was indeed an admirable man. Thank you for telling us about him.
“Inga, those grandchildren are only alive because they were conceived at a convenient time and their mothers decided that they could live. Had they been conceived at a different time, they would have ended up in a trash bin - with your blessing.”
Oh my goodness, have you been window peeping into my home or that of my children to assert something like that? Or are you a lying weirdo? Only ONE of my four children was planned, I was in nursing school with one of them, which was not at all convenient, I wasn't even married yet. I chose to give birth and I chose to KEEP my child, not give her away and I finished nursing school too. If you want to keep your child bad enough it can be done.
exiled - yes it was a blessing to have an uncle like that.
By the way, when I said I was one of his favorite nephews, I should have made it clear that all of his nephews were his favorite nephews, and I was one of them. Some of my cousins are much better people than I am. I could tell you stories about some of my cousins, and their bravery and virtues, but I am tired.
Also you weird lying person, you know my daughters even less than you know me and to make such an assertion about them only makes you look like a wild eyed lunatic.
Also you lying weirdo Exile, Althouse was pregnant in law school IIRC. She is pro choice. She CHOSE to give birth to her baby. You see, there are women who can be pro choice and chose to have babies, even at very inconvenient times. Not every woman who is pro choice and has babies has their babies at ideal times. You really are a small minded nasty individual.
Struck a nerve, didn't I? You're the one stomping and raging. I'm perfectly calm.
So someone is human only if someone else CHOOSES to acknowledge it? If the mother doesn't want the baby - hesto presto, it's just a clump of cells, dump it in the trash because Mommy's got other things to do.
If Mommy wants the baby, well, wonderful, it's my beloved child - or grandchild.
The biological reality is exactly the same in both cases. There is nothing that distinguishes a wanted unborn baby from an unwanted one except the mother's feelings and wishes.
“Struck a nerve, didn't I? You're the one stomping and raging. I'm perfectly calm.”
Yes, you did. And no I don’t think you’re calm, I think your so angry and hateful you would lie about me and my daughters.
Who said the baby was merely a clump of cells? Not I. Not Althouse. Yet we are both still pro choice. Try to figure it out. You gave away your precious child, no need to make up lies about women who are pro choice and CHOSE to have their babies ( and keep them too). You don’t need to pretend or lie that I ever said that baby in utero wasn’t human. Althouse also says the baby in utero is human and is still pro choice. If a woman cares so little for her unborn baby that she aborts it, it’s between her and God. It’s not your place or the place of the government to mandate she carry to term, she has autonomy and privacy over her own body. Althouse has explained her view of abortion several times and I agree with her.
bagoh20 said...
I think not many. I would be OK with forcing a woman to make a decision before we have a developed fetus, just like I assume you are willing to force a woman to decide before her child is born, or 5 years old, or some other arbitrary point. We are only arguing about when we feel the child is developed enough to care about it's very life over the personal preference of the mother.
Seconded.
This is pretty much the position of everyone except for the statists.
The statists on the left that practice infanticide and the statists on the right that want to push their religion on everyone.
The people that support planned parenthood are beyond the statists and are just downright ghouls.
And don't tell me an unborn child is not a life
Despite the semantic games, empathetic appeals, and liberal rationalizations, they know that Fetal-Americans a.k.a. "babies" are humans are us. The Pro-Choice religionists, not limited to selective-child, coupled with the Twilight faith, sincerely believe that the wicked solution, the fifth choice, is good for the sake of social justice, and social progress. The Planned Parenthood protocol is imperative for exoneration (h/t Obama), social stability, Democratic leverage, clinical cannibalism, and other purposes. Unfortunately, elective homicide is a natural rite. The optimal reform is to reverse the progression and the normalization that it enabled.
“Pregnant as a student on campus? What is hard about that? You're not working, if your not married, the government is supporting you.
Sad that a nursing student didn't know how her woman's body worked enough to abstain from sex during her fertile times. Lots of unmarried irresponsible sex in those days, with gobmint picking up the tab, it seems. Ah the sexual revolution that cost America so much! (and still today, but the "single mothers" get far fewer benefits now: there's just too many of them...)”
I know this will be deleted but it’s worth responding to. I was 19 years old, I was a little dummy. So was Exiled who also got pregnant at 19. I never needed a dime of government support. I married shortly thereafter and our parents helped us which is what good parents do. I went on to have three more kids and gave 35 years of my life to nursing and being a mother. My kids all turned out to be good people, one is even an attorney, like you are.
“ You don't see the smile on her face, Professor Althouse? She's a sick, twisted, individual who's celebrating the fact that she just murdered her baby.”
It looks like an acted out sketch, not a person getting a real abortion. I was judging it as a fictional vignette. The young woman was playing a role and challenging us to think.
But maybe it was a recording of a real life event. My reaction wasn’t based on that.
I can't see any video. Apparently that's a good thing.
I can't view the video, so presume that TikTok took it down. Pretty sure that means that the effect is anti-abortion/pro-life, whatever the intentions of the maker were.
You're not working, if your not married, the government is supporting you.
A necessary step to mitigate progress and dysfunction is to normalize the understanding that with liberty comes responsibility, the couple for their Posterity, the man and woman to each other, a motorist to a pedestrian, a manufacturer to the ecology, etc. While community (e.g. family, friends, government) can help, it should not and cannot substitute for individual integrity.
The TikTok page has been set to private.
"You gave away your precious child, no need to make up lies about women who are pro choice and CHOSE to have their babies ( and keep them too)"
Right. And now she's a happily married woman in Arizona with 3 children of her own. So 4 people are alive because I made the decision I did.
Good for you for not getting an abortion. The thing is, by your own reasoning, you would have been perfectly justified in getting one. Having the baby? Fine. Not having the baby? Also fine, you say.
Well, not for the baby.
"No woman should have to suffer sadness, shame or regret because she exercised her right to chose to have an abortion. If I am elected President, I will introduce legislation to support our very best medical minds in their work towards developing a scientific solution that will finally prevent these negative feelings from taking root in the minds of these women."
Which democratic candidate for president would refuse to support such a program?
I can't see any video. Apparently that's a good thing.
It was sanitized for human consumption. A symbolic gesture subject to interpretation through individual perception. There was no graphic depiction of victims, profitable parts, or survivors hanging by an umbilical cord. It is... was, quite tame, not ready for prime-time, Hollywood, or even Sundance.
“Right. And now she's a happily married woman in Arizona with 3 children of her own. So 4 people are alive because I made the decision I did.”
I’m glad you made that decision too, because if you had raised her with the sort of hatred and vitriol you spewed here I wonder if she would’ve turned out as well.
I’m glad you made that decision too, because if you had raised her with the sort of hatred and vitriol you spewed here I wonder if she would’ve turned out as well.
2/8/20, 8:51 PM
Unlike you, I would have taught her that it's wrong to kill babies.
“Having the baby? Fine. Not having the baby? Also fine, you say.”
Not fine with me, but I cannot and will not advocate forcing a woman to carry to term if she chooses to abort by the 20th week, which is what I would support.
“Look around you. Maybe that's why God chose to take your son when he did.
Or maybe, he chose to take his own life. Nttawwt? (There is.)”
Oh Mary sometimes I really respect you, other times not so much.
That someone can make a parody video about taking an infant's life-- for the moment presuming that what Cacimbo related supra is more or less the truth of it-- is yet another sad bit of evidence of our society's moral degradation. Neither Mr Trump nor Messrs Biden, Buttigieg, and Sanders are going to do much of anything about that, I'm afraid.
Mary, God chooses to take the lives of even pro life parents’ children. Sorry I don’t believe in a vengeful God
‘I don't know you, and I am not interested in sharing your personal grief. I will not Google you.’
That’s fine. Don’t make assumptions then, or you look as nasty and hateful as exiled then. I don’t need you to share my personal grief, i have plenty of family and friends who do. I told you to look it up so you don’t make false assertions.
“That God chose to take your son when he did does not make him a vengeful God. Perhaps there was a greater purpose or plan that you do not yet know.”
Mary, then why did you say this?
“If you believe in killing a healthy life under some circumstances, you are part of a society that devalues life.
Look around you. Maybe that's why God chose to take your son when he did.”
Be careful Mary, God listens to what you have to say too.
" I do not think you are well liked here by many."
Well, well, if this isn't pot kettle black.
Exiled 7:10 - spot on.
I'll leave you two to your Very Deep Theological Discussions.
“If you believe in killing a healthy life under some circumstances, you are part of a society that devalues life.”
As I’ve said numerous times now. I don’t believe in killing a healthy human life under some or any circumstances. BUT I am not the master of some other woman’s uterus and body.
Inga - your non-stop parroting of all things CNN/Maddow and every creep on those horrid garbage networks = we don't like you. + your non-stop Russian stole the election from poor Hillary koolaid drinking Mueller-god fixation. Exiled is right- your feelings about abortion amount to jack squat in the face of the party you blindly support with righteous vigor. If Hitler-Mao(D) were running against Trump, you'd be in camp Hitler-Mao(D).
“You introduced your son's death as a way to buoy your own character. (?)”
No. Not at all, not even close. Also I didn’t bring up my sons death here in this thread, YOU did. As I said, be careful, because God hears you too. You’re a young woman of child bearing age, be careful of how you speak about another mothers child or what is in her heart.
‘Every person values life differently and all..."
Those are not my words or my argument. Mary you are an interesting person, bright, lively. I’m always sort of happy when you show up, but you have a very dark side, that just doesn’t comport well with belief in God or Christianity.
The video seems to have been removed by someone.
“Stop making threats against me and my God.”
It’s meant to make you take stock of your own words. You cannot make people believe that you are a Christian with the way you go off the rails. Maybe Althouse and Meade are right in deleting you every time, Something is off with you, I’m sorry to say. Even a exiled has more sense than you.
“Now you can peer into people's hearts, and evaluate their personal relationship with God.”
I have no need to peer into your heart, you put it all out here on these threads. It doesn’t take a genius to see what you’re about. You’re pretty transparent.
I forgive you, in your ignorance, for playing God and making judgments re. other humans, equal to you. My religion is not for show, or for your approval.
Oh but I don’t think that’s quite true. I forgive you too for your thoughtless cruel words. I hope when and if you ever have children, they live long healthy lives.
My grandsons are the sons of my youngest daughter, the attorney. My son had no children.
My children are far better people than you could ever hope to be . If your own mother raised you right I doubt you’d be as fucked up as you appear on these threads. Now go in Peace.
“Better, or deader?”
I believe God made a very wise choice not blessing you with children.
“We are a collection of our values, acts and what we leave behind”
You give lip service to these words, but your other words negate this. Seriously Mary, what happened to you to make you the person who are? Something not very positive or loving.
Althouse has voted for Democrats and even voted for Hillary in 2016. Does that put her in the pro infanticide group?
@Inky, sensible people here in Virginia would answer in the affirmative. Proposing to let infants born alive perish of neglect, as Governor Northam proposed last year and is being proposed again this year now that Virginia has both House of Delegates and Senate in Democrat hands, strikes even people like myself who fundamentally support abortion, as inhuman.
“He told me to tell you, He is glad to have your approval. And your son in is good hands now... RIP, inga.)”
I don’t need you to translate God for me, I have my own relationship with Him.
You say "View the video", Ann, but you did not provide a link so how can we?
The link you provided went to Cernovich's twitter feed and by the time I got to it, I scrolled down half a dozen pages without finding it.
I did find a couple of other videos. Perhaps they are what you are are talking about but I could not tell and they didn't seem to be.
John Henry
The need for the modern left to celebrate abortion will do more than anything else to turn the public against the practice.
It follows a similar pattern to all the other elements of the culture war - it's not enough that the left has the law on their side, they have to be very in your face about it toward their opponents. At some point, a line will be crossed and the counter reaction could well be swift and severe given how far and how fast the cultural envelope is being pushed.
Serious question: if abortion isn't supposed to be a big deal anymore, how come we never get to see videos of an actual abortions?
"Big Mike said...
Proposing to let infants born alive perish of neglect, as Governor Northam proposed last year and is being proposed again this year now that Virginia has both House of Delegates and Senate in Democrat hands, strikes even people like myself who fundamentally support abortion, as inhuman."
So taking foreceps and ripping them apart in the womb is human, eh?
Serious question: if abortion isn't supposed to be a big deal anymore, how come we never get to see videos of an actual abortions?
Unlike capital punishment, wars, and other events where torture and homicide may be present, elective abortion beyond emergence of the nervous system (around one month following conception) and presumptive seat of consciousness is sociopolitically exempted by the Left's -- unfortunately, it's inclusive -- Chamber and State-established (i.e. Twilight Amendment) Pro-Choice religion.
the modern left to celebrate abortion will do more than anything else to turn the public against the practice.
It's not just the modern left. The Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic, politically congruent, [secular] religion has been adopted by left-wing -- it's actually inclusive -- regimes, national, international, and global, for nearly a century, but human sacrificial rites (e.g. reproductive) are a progressive practice that has been indulged by many civilizations, including indigenous American empires, nations, and tribes for social progress, social justice, retributive change (e.g. genocide), to avert natural catastrophes (e.g. climate/weather change).
Allen's point sails 50 feet above Mary's demented little head.
John Henry / PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...
You say "View the video", Ann, but you did not provide a link so how can we?
Althouse provided the tweet, which had a link to this: https://twitter.com/marymargolohan/status/1226251731266424832
She had the link to the video. But, apparently the monster who decided to "shout her abortion" got a clue, or else TikTok did, and the video is no more.
I assume people have saved it, because "the Internet is forever"
AllenS said...
Serious question: if abortion isn't supposed to be a big deal anymore, how come we never get to see videos of an actual abortions?
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Serious answer: Because snuff videos are illegal, allen.
Disagree; or, define. We have often been shown infrared videos of terrorists getting blown up. Is that a snuff video? There is the famous broadcast video of Chris Chubbuck committing suicide on air. Rich you can still find on YouTube. Is that snuff? It may be against broadcast or industry standards. But at what level, and, again, defined how?
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