January 16, 2020

"Permanent impeachment won't empower Pelosi's Resisters.... It’ll empower Trump's deplorables, because Trump will still need them."

"In effect, impeachment can be the anti-dote to lame duck insularity, reestablishing the accountability to voters that the term limit of the 22d Amendment takes away. I'm not arguing for impeaching every President in his second term. It’s a legalistic, emotion-draining way to try to correct for the ill-advised two-term limit. Usually there are bonds of ideology and party loyalty constraining even popular second-term presidents. Trump seems a special case — someone you really might not want to see unleashed. I'd feel much better voting for him again if he were impeached multiple times."

Writes Mickey Kaus in "Impeach Him Again, Nancy!"

I'm not agreeing with that, but I find it interesting. There are lots of other things you might say about the benefits of impeachment on the pro-Trump side. But having written "pro-"... I'd like to discuss Kaus's writing "anti-dote" — "impeachment can be the anti-dote to lame duck insularity."

Even in the 17th century — I checked the OED — there was no hyphen in "antidote." But the word is, indeed, made out of the prefix "anti-" — which means "against" — and the root "-dote."

It makes you wonder, what is a "dote"?

If you check the etymology of "antidote," you will see that "dote" comes from a Greek verb that means "to give," so an antidote is something that is "given against" something else.

But "dote" is an English word, and writing "anti-dote" — with the hyphen — seems to take us away from the familiar word, "antidote," and ask us to think of something that is against whatever that English noun "dote" means.

I looked it up in the OED. A "dote" is "A foolish, incompetent, or slow-witted person." It's been around about as long as the familiar verb "to dote." The OED has the noun "dote" going back to the 13th century, and it nicely has — among its examples — this from 2018:
2018 @Skeptic_Fashion 11 Apr. in twitter.com (O.E.D. Archive) U should have ur keyboard privileges suspended for a week 4 being a dote.
A tweet! First time I've noticed a tweet preserved as an OED quote documenting the current usage of the word. I like it. We need more mean but gentle insults.

Is Trump a dote? No, but many of his haters think he is, and they may want to give the country an "anti-dote." But to impeach him over and over again? Who's the dote?

And keep in mind: Even when you have a poisoning and want to administer an antidote, that the antidote itself can be a poison:
The effects of many toxic substances within the body are well understood and can therefore be treated successfully with specific antidotes even when those antidotes are often considered poisons in their own right. For example, strychnine is highly toxic but its symptoms can be counteracted with curare, also highly toxic, because both compounds interact with the same receptors in nerves but have opposite effects. Atropine (or belladonna) poisoning can be treated with physostigmine; and physostigmine poisoning can be treated with atropine.
I am showing you some reasoning by metaphor, after Kaus started it, calling up the word "antidote." You're in a figurative wonderworld when you use metaphors, but I'll just say even when you have a workable antidote for a poison, you don't just take lots and lots of antidote! And I think it's crazy to impeach the President and then impeach him again and again.

65 comments:

rhhardin said...

I'd be more worried about the runaway judiciary. The farthest left judge out of a thousand can suspend anything the president does.

Permanent structural advantage to the side that believes in judicial activism.

rhhardin said...

Congress, at least, is elected. Perpetual impeachment can be cured by the voters, and at worst leaves us with a parliamentary system. Judges are not elected and do whatever the most extreme one wants.

But in a parliamentary system it's hard to get a president who wants to drain the swamp. The swamp does the appointing.

Temujin said...

Well...if Trump isa dote, who on the Dems side is the anti-dote? So many choices, so little time.

Paco Wové said...

Kaus is generally not stupid, but this is stupid.

rhhardin said...

Drug/poison is a hinge term for Plato. Pharmakon, remedy, poison; pharmakos, scapegoat.

tim in vermont said...

They surely do dote on Trump, it’s the gift that keeps on giving. Actually probably not, if Trump got anything like fair treatment, he would be headed to a 49 state landslide and they know it.

daskol said...

One contrarian to another, suggesting a contrary take too far for Kaus.

daskol said...

My contrary take runs in the direction of less democracy, given the behaviors of our most democratic part of government. Amend the constitution to reinstate appointment of senators by the statehouses. Return the spoils to the statehouse, which is at least closer to the people than DC.

Shouting Thomas said...

I find it odd that the Democrats have adopted this attitude of ruthless, vindictive vendetta.

It’s as if the attitude of an internet comments section has taken over their minds.

The Democrats have truly become the party of Ritmos.

Kevin said...

The Dems can usually be found anti-doting on Trump.

Jamie said...

1. Seems more likely to me that the tweeter meant "dolt" and misspelled or typo'ed.

2. I don't understand the "ill-advised" part of presidential term limits. I mean, I DO, I guess: a popular president "shouldn't have to" step aside for a successor who may not get elected, jeopardizing that popular president's policy agenda. But the alternative seems so tenuous. Inertia sets in or the "don't change horses" argument takes effect and the next FDR becomes president-for-life. Putting term limits on the Chief Executive seems to me to be a reasonable precaution with minimal downside.

But then again I'm a conservative and a political pessimist. FWIW, I've never doubted that if Trump were to lose the general, he would leave office - but I've also harbored suspicions that it wouldn't be a graceful exit. The tweetstorm would rage. And his basic lack of give-a-****'s would again be used by his opponents as further evidence not only that he was always unfit for office, but that those who voted for him are unfit for the franchise.

Sooner or later that argument is going to resonate during an administration that decides to use its phone and pen to do something about it.

AllenS said...

Some day in future history books, you will read about Donald J Trump, and this interesting bit of information will be there: Donald J Trump the 45th POTUS was impeached twice and yet became the most successful of Presidents.

bonkti said...

Dems and dose.

wendybar said...

The Democrats are DOLTS.

rehajm said...

Mares eat dotes and does eat dotes. Little lambs edify.

Todd said...

daskol said...

Amend the constitution to reinstate appointment of senators by the statehouses.

1/16/20, 7:09 AM


This!

One day I will need to read a detailed history of how this came about. I can not understand the states being so willing to give up their power balance and turn Senators into "just another" popularity contest...

Fernandinande said...

2018 @Skeptic_Fashion 11 Apr. in twitter.com (O.E.D. Archive) U should have ur keyboard privileges suspended for a week 4 being a dote.

The OED is trying to be trendy but is just going downhill instead because using that twitter post as a reference is a stupid idea:

-- the Skeptic_Fashion account seems to have disappeared, so it's no longer a reference.

-- the twitterette misspelled three others words, so rather than his meaning to write "dote" he probably just misspelled "dope".

traditionalguy said...

The dotage of the Trump haters is an ugly thing. Why can’t they just say thank you?

Browndog said...

One day I will need to read a detailed history of how this came about. I can not understand the states being so willing to give up their power balance and turn Senators into "just another" popularity contest...

Good luck finding the truth.

You won't find it on the internet. You may find it in a book. An old book.

roesch/voltaire said...

Parnas is the antidote to Trump’s perfect narrative.

gilbar said...

Donald J Trump the 45th POTUS.... 1st President to win reelection AFTER being impeached
Donald J Trump the 45th POTUS.... 1st President to be impeached TWICE
Donald J Trump the 45th POTUS.... 1st President to serve 3 terms after the 2nd Constitutional Convention; which exempted impeached Presidents from the 22nd amendment

narciso said...

don't be this stupid


https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1217792913486249985

rehajm said...

Impeachment as four corners offense. Solution: Implement the shot clock...

alanc709 said...

So Nancy put the dote in dotard?

narciso said...

get their stories straight

https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1217677817149906944?s=20

Leland said...

I'm with Wendybar that the insult is dolt. Dolt is derived from dull and suggest being dimwitted. Dote is derived from Dutch doten which is to act silly. When you dote, you tend to be extreme or uncritical to the point that you actions are silly. Then again, dimwitted means to be silly or stupid.

AllenS said...

I like your history book better than mine, gilbar.

Michael K said...

One day I will need to read a detailed history of how this came about. I can not understand the states being so willing to give up their power balance and turn Senators into "just another" popularity contest...

It was part of the "Progressive" agenda including the income tax. The leader was Wilson who resegregated the Civil Service and gave us World War I and the eventual Great Depression.

M Jordan said...

Kaus is one of the truly interesting thinkers out there. No cliches from him. I don’t always agree with him but I always come away from reading him with a new angle of insight.

narciso said...

he certainly drank from the well of german philosophy while at john Hopkins,

chuck said...

I can't think of anything that the House accomplished in 2019 and 2020 looks like more of the same. Has the House become irrelevant?

Leland said...

chuck, can you think of a House initiated major accomplishment in 2019 that wasn't about using their power to attack a political rival? You know, did they do anything other than what that claim Trump did and is impeachable?

Inga said...

“Parnas is the antidote to Trump’s perfect narrative.”

Yes indeed. It’s uncanny how the truth is eventually revealed.

Michael K said...

Mickey is a traditional Democrat like those driven from the party by the Marxists.

He was a good friend of Cathy Seipp and Andrew Breitbart.

Francisco D said...

After Lev Parnas is exposed as a fraud, I wonder who the Left will claim is the next person to put Trump in jail.

Normally the game is over after the last Hail Mary pass, but the DNC/MSM keep insisting on a do over.

mccullough said...

Kaus’ idea is more applicable to the federal judiciary than a second term president.

Roger Sweeny said...

daskol said...

Amend the constitution to reinstate appointment of senators by the statehouses.

1/16/20, 7:09 AM

This!

One day I will need to read a detailed history of how this came about. I can not understand the states being so willing to give up their power balance and turn Senators into "just another" popularity contest...


Seriously? Aren't elections to state legislatures also popularity contests? When this was done, the ostensible reason was that state legislatures were too beholden to special interests. The hope was that when the whole population of the state voted for one office, "special interests" would have less influence.

JAORE said...

In the battle between Trump and the eventual Democrat nominee, Trump is the anti-dolt.

Howard said...

Shorter Althouse: The dose makes the poison

Freder Frederson said...

After Lev Parnas is exposed as a fraud, I wonder who the Left will claim is the next person to put Trump in jail.

And if he is telling the truth, what will you say then? Will you finally realize that we have elected a petty criminal as president?

After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump. Almost every day there is more information showing that Trump didn't, and doesn't, give a flying fuck about corruption in Ukraine. It was all about digging up dirt on the Biden's and chasing the bullshit Crowdstrike DNC server.

And missed in all the Parnas brouhaha is that the GAO has determined that Trump violated the law by withholding the Ukraine aid.

Howard said...

Lev Parnas is another prematurely ejaculated wet fart. Nothing Burger.

Howard said...

It's crazy to get your hopes up after a Rachel maddow interview. It'll all be deflected the fix is in Bob barr's not going to let this go anywhere. It will move the needle a couple microns

rcocean said...

What an odd comment by Kaus. We already have a check on the President, separation of powers. The judiciary is striking down every executive order, the Senate is refusing and slow walking his nominations, and the House is refusing to do anything he wants.

The only reason we got the term limit is because FDR wanted the job for life, and the D's - as usual - refused to control or limite "Their guy" in any way. Even the Court Packing plan would've succeeded if senator Robinson had lived. The closest we ever came to a dictatorship in the USA was FDR's 1941-1945 stint as President.

Todd said...

Roger Sweeny said...

Seriously? Aren't elections to state legislatures also popularity contests? When this was done, the ostensible reason was that state legislatures were too beholden to special interests. The hope was that when the whole population of the state voted for one office, "special interests" would have less influence.

1/16/20, 9:28 AM


The original point was that each state selected their Federal Senators, the populations of the states elected their local Representatives, and the EC picked the President.

The expectation was that in this way, all of the elected offices of the Federal government would be better able to balance the competing factions/needs of the country. The Reps for the people (and their districts), Senators to balance that against the needs of the states.

The President was not meant to have so much power domestically. Congress was not meant to have so much power locally. The most powerful politician in a citizen's life was/is supposed to be their state Governor. Having Seniors elected too skews the system. People WANT free stuff. States often have to pay for it. Now both houses of Congress are in the free-stuff business and making rules for everyone business. So much for our 50 labs of Democracy. All of the Fed mandates are/have done to the states what all the car safety regs are doing to cars, making them all look the same. Leaves citizens no safe haven if they oppose the local cause all locals start to look alike (same "too many" DC rules everywhere).

rcocean said...

Those who think this will give the R's the precedent to behave in the same way, are engaging in wishful thinking. The DNC-media would destroy any attempt by an R House to impeach without a true "High crime". Further, the RINO's and R Establishment ALWAYS want to pose as SERIOUS CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS who "reach across the aisle" for "The good of the country". Clinton only got impeached because he lied under oath, and Ken Starr had detailed all his crimes. Even then, McCain and the RINO's constantly bitched moaned it was a "Waste of time" and Moron Jerry Ford tried to broker a deal to prevent Clinton's impeachment.

Yancey Ward said...

I don't think the impeachment changes a thing about lame-duckness, so Kaus is just being silly with the idea. However, the impeachment does almost surely strengthen Trump in the election absent a close vote on acquittal. Now, if the Senate acquits with Trump getting less than 50 votes, it might weaken him a bit, but I don't think that is likely to happen. It is entirely possible the Senate dismisses this on Tuesday by a majority vote.

Sebastian said...

"I'd feel much better voting for him again if he were impeached multiple times."

I'd feel much better if people stopped writing foolish stuff, and if Althouse stopped her OED habit.

Yancey Ward said...

I have always wondered about the word antidote. It seems to me that it should be antidose.

rcocean said...

Anybody who thinks going back to State legislatures to elect Senators is (a) possible B) a good idea is a moron. The power elite is liberal/left and the only ones opposing them are the people, so we're going to cut out the people and leave it to the State Legislatures. How incredibly stupid.

The Senate was known to be corrupt and out of touch in 1912, which is why we went to popular elections.

narayanan said...

Interestingly, during the Regency the term 'antidote' described a very homely woman;

Francisco D said...

And if he is telling the truth, what will you say then? Will you finally realize that we have elected a petty criminal as president?

Keep repeating that to yourself Freder. It will give you comfort as your factless impeachment grinds to a halt.

This is the Apostle's Creed for the Leftist Church. The problem is that it keeps changing. First it was Mueller who was going to take down Trump. Then it was Bob Avenatti and Stormy Daniels. Then it was .... Fill in the blanks. Throw another Hail Mary.

The charade continues. Do people like Freder really believe their bullshit or are they cynically promoting Marxism By Any Means Necessary.

Todd said...

Freder Frederson said...

After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump.

1/16/20, 9:56 AM


Fender, I challenge you to the same standard the President is now being held. Prove to us all you have stopped beating your wife!

Seeing Red said...

Oh, mairzy doats and dozy doats and little lambsy divey
A kiddle divey, too. Wouldn't you?
Oh, mairzy doats and dozy doats and little lambsy divey

Seeing Red said...

So Freder thinks we need to impeach because Trump is a petty criminal?

He’s upset Trump didn’t go big like The Clintons?

No one cares.

Besides a lot of progressive cities have decided to ignore petty crime.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Remember, Kaus is the guy who doesn't give a flip about federalism and would just as soon break the country up into 4 (or some such) administrative regions.

Just because he's not insane doesn't mean they're all gems..

tcrosse said...

Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy.
I kid'll eat ivy, too. Wouldn't you?

Leland said...

I'm waiting for Democrats to quit stonewalling and call the whistleblower to testify.

Bruce Hayden said...

“And if he is telling the truth, what will you say then? Will you finally realize that we have elected a petty criminal as president?”

Wouldn’t change a thing, really. Trump had legitimate reasons to make the suggestion to the Ukrainian President, and that is what matters. The opposite, that it would delegitimize the suggestion in the phone call is the sort of Lawfare reversal of presumptions that we saw the Mueller prosecutors (working closely with Lawfare) were pushing in regards to their claims of Obstruction of Justice. No surprise, of course, since Palsi and Schifty have hired plenty of Lawfare operatives for their impeachment. The President has a Constitutional duty to protect the country and enforce the law, as well as a treaty obligation to work with Ukranian officials to clean up Their government. Not requesting help from the Ukrainian government to clean up the mess is what should be the impeachable offense, because it would be intentionally violating those duties.

Drago said...

Field Marshall Freder: "After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump"

LOLOLOL

That darn Trump won't help us frame him!!!

Trump's cooperation with the Special Counsel and his team of hack democrats was unprecedented in its scope and openness.

That's over now. You and your pals are simply going to have to gin up all current and future frameups on your own.

mikee said...

In what world is the recipient of open bribery - and that is what Hunter Biden gracing the board of Burisma while daddy Joe ran US-Ukraine policy is, after all - immune from investigation, exposure, and public calumny?

The above sentence should be the entire defense of Trump in the Senate impeachment trial.

Darrell said...

After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump

Because that all came out the first day. Democrats on the second day were caught making up a false conversation because they didn't realize that half the Nation read the real transcript.

Gk1 said...

Oh Mickey, you are too much sometimes. This is the same Mickey Kaus trying to make the case in 2003 that Bush needed to lose to Kerry to ensure democrats would then be drawn into fighting the war on terror because being outside of power made them too dependent on empty rhetoric and obstructionism.

I think the corrosive effects of partisan impeachment will be far more damaging than anyone can imagine. There will be no finality to presidential elections. Every executive going forward will be impeached with the regularity of declaring "National Hot Dog Week". The same party that could never imagine that republicans would ever be in a position to use the nuclear option for judicial picks have another rude awakening in the future. It's pretty depressing have short sided they have become.

LA_Bob said...

The antidote to impeaching Trump "over and over again" is for the President's party to take the House this November.

Bob Loblaw said...

After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump.

Which is pretty irrelevant given the Democrats have yet to prove Trump did anything illegal. I find that all a little amazing, given the extent of the fishing expedition. It's not like Trump has weaponized the IRS like a past president. Well, presidents.

Michael K said...

After all the stonewalling, nothing is coming out that exonerates Trump.

The Field Marshall seems to have missed the fact that there is NO NEED TO EXONERATE. How stupid do you have to be to see this?

The age of idiots.